I hate to bring this to the boards, but we have exhausted all our means, trying to resolve this issue privately. As a reputable and honest agency, we spend high dollar on advertising expense and keeping these ladies safe. What would you suggest on the appropriate protocol on reporting a lady to the boards, who mind you is well reviewed as a provider, but has decided to walk out in a middle of a trip, without resolving the commission owed, nor any notice during the trip when leaving?

Has anyone had this experience, or any guidance?
Regards Alison



-- Modified on 12/12/2007 2:33:34 PM

Hi
How long has it been since she left that trip?
You mentioned she is a well-reviewed provider...perhaps something happened bad during the trip and she has to get herself together before contacting you? OR perhaps something just bad happened? Have you had any trouble in the past with her?

If not the above, then try to contact her again by phone and email........

Not sure about the 'outing' part or reporting her on the boards, perhaps someone else can reply to that question

I have very little to do with the business end of your line of work, as respect to employer/employee. In fact I would bet I would prefer to know nothing of the business end of things...

As a business owner it would burn me up inside to have a valued employee mis-treat me. I would likely come from the place that I did something and want to know what it was that I did to make them walk off an assignment like that... I would be less concerned about the money initially and more interested in the cause of the rif...

As a human being I would wonder what changed for this woman? Did something happen? Is she ok and and does she need my help? I would be asking her what does she need from me? How can I help?

So my question to you is who are you being for her? As an employer, I have found the moment I give up being right and find out whats really up... things usually get better.

Will outing make you feel better? Will you get to be right? Will it bring her back to you as an employee? Will you get your money back? Will it hurt or enhance your reputation? Just a few thoughts... Like I said I don't know your business, just the ins and outs of your employees.

-- Modified on 12/12/2007 4:35:19 PM

I think you may have to change some aspect of the way you run your business; this would protect your assets.

It depends a lot on the kind of relationship you have as an agency owner to the providers working for you. It could either be a friendship or strictly a business relationship.

If its strictly a business relationship you have to think about requiring the providers who work for you to submit a security deposit or credit card number to hold on file. This will provide a way to charge them incase they decide to take all the commision during a trip or appointment.

If you have a friendship relationship with a  provider that works for you, then its more likely that you will trust them enough without requiring a deposit.

r_bear11 brought up the important points of:
As a human being I would wonder what changed for this woman? Did something happen? Is she ok and and does she need my help? I would be asking her what does she need from me? How can I help?

These are questions that have yet to be answered.

However, it gives the provider no right for her to take 100% of the commision.      

As far as reporting her name to the boards, thats something only probably a moderator can answer.

I hope she does the right thing though and returns what is owed to you.

What happened is a business problem between the agency and the provider.  Even though her actions affected the clients who she stood up, she was representing the agency at the time and it is agency's responsibility to make it up to the client.  The agency can explain what happened to the client and it is up to the client to decide whether he wants to avoid that provider in the future.

Since she took off in the middle of the trip, I would think that either something happened or she is just a flake.  If she were trying to rip you off for the money, she would have waited until the end of the trip and gotten a bigger amount.

If you have tried everything and still can't settle with her, you can mention it on the Providers Only board to warn other agencies but it should not be posted on the local or General Boards.

You can also send the provider to me for a good spanking.

-- Modified on 12/12/2007 10:10:59 PM

The previous posts have made excellent points.  I may be cold hearted- but incidents lie this are just a cost of doign business.  You do everything youcan to protect yourself but you are going to take some hits.

Don't take this the wrong way but if you are that girl Taylor from New Orleans I would not consider your agency reputable or even tolerable with all the bait and switch going on.

If not, then I retract my previous statement and suggest you take your own course of action. Intimidation factors usually work if you do them the right way. A contract is a contract no matter what type of business it is but outing her on the boards may only get her MORE business because it will let guys know she is willing to charge less.

She owes you, yes. So call her, email her, find a way to get your money. First and foremost, find out what happened. Was she arrested, beaten up, threatened, kidnapped, experience a medical issue? If you don't know the facts, you might want to try to figure them out before severing the business relationship.

However, by coming onto the boards and outing her, it's revenge, not business. You'd be intentionally trying to ruin any business she has or her "good name" and it wouldn't guarantee any money back. In fact, were I this provider, if you posted crap about me on the boards, you wouldn't get a cent. What if she retaliated and got you busted for that trouble or ruined your name on the boards?

I really think it would make you look bad to go public. It makes your agency look like you can't deliver on your promised girls, it makes you look spiteful to the girls who may consider working with you and puts a question in everyone's mind as to what the story really was. Even as you posted this, my instincts tell me there's more to the story than we know or will know. But I'm not judging you... it's none of my business.  I'm just telling you my reaction.

Either way, I don't see anything good about going public.

I've personally have good fortune with this agency and I use very few of them... I am torn actually. Like reviews, how else does the community let others know when a provider acts up or out...? However, in this case as her sponsor, you have very little recourse I'm  afraid and this board is not for outing people who don't pay their bills. Now, if you knew for a fact that she was ripping off hobbyists, I would acquiesce to a posting that framed it in those terms as that would be a service and you would be doing all of us a favor for outing her for her rogue ways. It's not like you can take her to court. As they say, what comes around... gets back to you at the very time, when you can't afford. Drop it and move on... You will been seen as the bigger person for just letting it go and guess what, she won't be the last provider to stiff you (no pun intended).

I'm presuming that you know she walked out on you and she's not arrested or something worse. Since it was a trip, it must be a very big commission. I also presume that there's something more than a verbal agreement about your commissions. I'd consult a lawyer on that and see what your options are. I'm not a lawyer, but a guess tells me that if the money was yours by written contract, there might be felony charges in play here. Since it crossed state line, there's a federal component to it. Not that you'll press charges on her, but a letter from your lawyer stating her obligations under contract might help.

I do have questions about motive here. She might have been discontent. She might have been resentful of something and saw this as a great way to get revenge. She might have bad habits (drugs, gambling) that made large amounts of money irresistible. Or she might be plainly sociopathic   or greedy. You should do your best to figure out who you're really dealing with here and the best way to resolve this. A private detective might be in order, depending on how much it will cost for a day's labor.

But don't out her. That's a vengeance move for losers.

Zinaval I understand your point about not outing this provider.

But on your other point you say about felony charges and theres a federal component to it.

Don't you realize that the federal government would try to take down this owners agency if the feds got involved.

Is the money really that important? To me this comes across as a pimp hunting down his bitch for his money. Sometimes as a busimess owner you take your hits and you have to move on and find wayt o protect yourself from this occuring again. Deposits from your providers is one idea but other than that you your only protection is to makes sure you interview properly and understand exactly who you are hiring to work for your agency. Contracts are no good as no lawyer in the world would touch a contract inforcement for a provider of and escort agency. That's like suing a smuggler for not getting your shipment of coke on time.

Why would you risk airing out the dirty laundry on a public forum ?
I am sure the lady must have a good reason for doing whatever it is she done .
Without hearing her side of the reason why she felt the need to leave your agency  I would not speculate  nor would I suggest that you bash her on public boards ..

Hope the lady is OK whoever she is

Layla

I recommend only that it be weighed and considered with the advice of a good lawyer. Otherwise I don't see that this owner has any options.

Hi Alison,

I've enjoyed a few fine ladies from your agency. This business is full of bad apples. Tough though when a lady you have come to trust flakes out.

Some comments say you should not "out" the lady. To me, that means publishing personal information. I don't think it would be appropriate to out her real name, but I don't see a problem with posting under her working name.

Something similar happened, and the agency posted on a local board that [working name] ripped the agency off, and is no longer with them. Everyone took it as info, and that was that.

If you don't want to be so "in your face" in order to maintain a level of decorum for your agency, I think a discrete post might work, such as:

An apology to the guys in [name of city]. We arranged to have Lady [working name] to visit your city, and some of you have already arranged time with her. However, [working name] abruptly left in the middle of her tour. She refuses to communicate with us to explain why, nor to tie up loose ends.

Please do not hold [working lady] against us when we tour our next enticement to your city.

-- Modified on 12/13/2007 3:03:34 AM

A disease of watching too many TV law shows and attempting to quote the legalese mentioned therein... I thought where he was clumsily going was that said provider was being pimped across interstate lines and that carries more than an illegal prostitution charge, but then again, Zin smokes his own brand... and that ain't all bad...LOL

-- Modified on 12/13/2007 6:00:25 AM

Does it occur to anyone here that pandering is a felony, as opposed to prostitution which is only a misdemeanor? Lady, get real. The law has little sympathy for escorts, but when it comes to your "agency," there'll be hell to pay once you get busted, if that ever happens.

You're in a business that's illegal and wouldn't exist if you weren't able to profit from these women's bodies. I don't see you going out there fucking some strangers. You sit there in your hopefully nice environment taking calls and having a regular day. Why not go out there and fuck some guys on tour and see how it feels? Maybe then you'll understand that these girls can have mental breakdowns, or just plain feel like crap at the end of the day. Yeah, yeah, I know, no one's forcing them to do it, but to come here and complain because your illegal business isn't running as peachy as you want it to is bullshit.

I feel sorry for all gals who have to resort to working for pimps and madams. With so many great independent ladies out there, who needs you? Hope the missing girl comes to her senses, sends you a money order and calls it a day with pimps!

Hello jamie
It has been over a week +. she left in the middle fot he trip, but had decided to say somethig to a regular client of mine, she would be returning home, but failed to mention it to me. Especially when expenses are involved, and having a consistent excellent repour with my clients, for only them to be disppointed- it is just not right. I have tried her home, her phone numbers. But only to now find she had posted an indy ad thru cityvibe under a new cell phone number that was a prepaid cell number, she picked up in this city,her email address, under the current name she has been working under with our company. So the proof is in the pudding- so to speak. So i can only conclude, it was intentional- based on the ad, and it is now linked to her ter review profile, as i found out yesterday from a client that saw a new review pop up, under that link, but it is still also linked to our site.

After much thought on the situation, i do not like bringing things to the board, nor never have in about 10 years of being i the business.  So hence, not outing the name of the provider. which makes it looks worse on the agency's part.Especially it is always viewed in both ends of the candlestick-
It could be the agency's fault, etc or the providers fault. I have seen it all go down on the boards, attacks etc. But for the agency's that run a stand up business,it makes it at time difficult for them to say what is on their mind and not be crucified.

I do respect the ladies i work with as a team. and this is a team, and unfortunately 1 bad apple makes it bad for the others,and gives a wrong impression to the client, when the lady does not fulfill her commitment, or i have to hear it from the clients end on how she planned to return home, and not even give the courtesy in allowing us to give appropriate cancellation notice to the client. it is not only cowardly and unprofessional.

It was suggested to me, by a reliable client, to post in a  general question, on general and local board, and do not mention names, as a form of support.I have tried numerous times, out of concern in the beginning when she did not show nor call. especially due to the bad weather that was approaching the area during the trip. Over the past several months, she has had some personal issues going on, however always completed her trips successfully, and always paid her commission on time, and never left her trip without a positve comment, except the last trip, where alot of comments of drama were going on. hence her probably leaving in the middle of the trip.

During the trips, we do have ladies make consistent deposits throughout their trips, to adleave the amount of cash they have on hand for security. And till that point she had our trust

My trust has been broken,on her end as a business relationship and friendship. Noone deserves that. I am sure even with the ladies as indys they would feel the same, if they were ripped off by a client, after having a session.

We pride ourselves in being a reputable service, and representing ourselves in a truthful manner with honesty and professionalism with the client and our ladies.

there is an underlining of respect that should be in place,and unfortunately it is  to be expected, and everyone takes their losses. But when it comes out of no field, no warning, and then no phone call, it is just COWARDLY IN MY BOOK. We run our business to the fullest on all levels, and this is a business not a game. Pure and simple, lack of consideration

whether it was pre planned, or not, no one will know, but her actions speak louder then her words. And i am sure that other services would agree, if  they have had ladies in the past, dash in the middle of the trip, whether the lady couldn't handle the touring aspect any longer, other drama going on in their life, and have not completed their trips. It is just a lack of respect is the bottom line. And luckily we have not had to experience this issue, due to having a consistent good and reliable team to work with.

Again, this was purely an outlet of frustration, and all comments are appreaciated in listening.

Regards Alison



-- Modified on 12/13/2007 8:23:09 AM

You do need to disassociate yourself from her, aside from that, you really have little recourse.

You need to keep the high road here, rolling around in the mud with a disgruntled former employee does nothing but get you muddy in the process. It sucks, but it is a cost of doing business. Salesman go independent, and "steal" client lists all the time. The difference is that your business if illegal.My advice, don't make it worse.

Be a friend.  find out what happened. don't mention the money.  If she is not crazy you will get it. if she fell off the deep end then you need her to think you are still her friend and not cause your business any unwanted attention.

move on...  nothing good can come from more mention of this.  As a potential client I don't want to know you lost control.  As an agency you shouldn't let me know you lost control.

are we hiding behind aliases, isnt that real mature?
i guess that is the only item you can pick apart of the entire post. You sound like a cheap skate, looking for a bargain, with your idiotic posts, with no reviews of not one single lady? it is only 50.00 to join as VIP member to do a review, if you are so up on saving these ladies as their white knights- Mr. Spelling Bee

grow up. seriously

-- Modified on 12/13/2007 9:10:14 AM

Take it somewhere else, to some queen ant who can feel it. I know you already tried to stick it between your balls for some reverse Russian croquet, but it was too hard and tiny. You've probably seen a provider who gave you discount after she saw what size you were.

About clumsily going:

"I thought where he was clumsily going was that said provider was being pimped across interstate lines and that carries more than an illegal prostitution charge . . ."

I can't think of a clumsier sentence. Did you dislocate your fingers writing that one? Have you thought of entering that sentence in a puzzle contest?

Try putting some real punctuation in sentences so you don't look illiterate. I know the ol' "..." is the best thing in illiteracy since the comma splice. Great for someone who can't complete his thoughts, though.

I don't watch TV law shows. I don't watch TV, and I've written that here repeatedly, but apparently that fell someplace between all those dots your writing. I do without the benefits of television.

But yes, that particular post was tripe. I took a swing at a bad pitch and fouled it off my nuts, and I look silly now. Definitely not my best.

Attention: a post that is obvious to you is not necessarily obvious to everyone else. Instead of trying to stick your mighty mojo somewhere, strap on a pair of brass ones, drop the alias, and write something that just might help.

-- Modified on 12/13/2007 12:02:23 PM

ultimately somebody is going to have to bring cases to court. Yes, I know, bad choice here. It's known as taking your eyes off the ball.

than take potshots from behind an alias? If you got something against this agency, speak up.

but I can never again say that you won't ever own up to a mistake when you make one.

I guess the client is owed something?

I mean it has been written all about HER, but not about him
If your agency has had a good relationship with clients and this is a one-in-a-million thing, if I owned an agency I would contact the client to get the nitty-gritty and perhaps give him some sort of special with another lady.

Was this his first time using your agency?

As mentioned several times on the board, she is one bad apple and time to move on
I soooo understand how frustrated you are and your trust with her has made you mad and bitter, I would be also as it is YOUR AGENCY'S name that could be hurt because of her.

But writing on the board , getting opinions from everyone here is a good step, so that gents know this never happens normally.

Good luck in the future!

Only one agency I worked for ever did this. He was very exclusive at the time, only 2 hours & up calls. I had to bring champagne with me, lol.

Anyways, the boss required a 400 security deposit when I first started, that he said was to insure I gave him two weeks notice when I decide to quit.

When I did quit, I let him keep the 400 because I am not good at two weeks notice.

Sara




-- Modified on 12/16/2007 8:01:07 AM

I personally see nothing wrong with this type of post if she chooses to make it. People should not be able to just keep your money.

I also want to add that I am very impressed that you have not divulged her name, says alot about you in my book anyways.

Sara

-- Modified on 12/16/2007 8:10:58 AM