Ladies hello  (guys you can chime in if you have something legit to say, but this is more for the ladies).

Ok sorry, but I couldn't resist

and yes, I have been in your position before. Actually, I've been there a few times.

First off, the two of you are NOT a couple, at least not just yet. How firmly she deals with her employer will show you just how much she wants this to work with you, and please keep in mind that some women will lie and blame the agency "rules" for things that are a matter of their own choice. I am not saying that this is the case here, but it does happen.

I agree with your wanting to just go to the owner and make your case, but you are most likely better off having your ATF/GF do it for you. Very few agencies have a "No BF" policy, and most agencies will simply look at it as a cost of doing business if she tells them that you are no longer in customer status, but you are now her BF.

The last time I did this and it worked, we started off as simply client/hooker. We "clicked" had a couple of more sessions, a couple of lunch dates, and realized there was something more between us. At first we started off "sneaking around" a bit. I would schedule to be her last client of the day, book an hour appointment and then stay all night, then "sneak out" in the morning before her first morning appointment. After a couple of weeks of this, we/she simply told the owner that we were now dating, it would not interfere in her work, and that's just the way it was going to be. We never had another issue where it came to the agency, and for the next several months I spent about 6 nights a week with her, while she continued to work just like she had in the past.

My advice is to let her deal with the agency, and see if she is sincere about being together, or if she is hiding behind the agency rules. Yes, this can work, but of course unless you truly are a chump, you know there are many hurdles yet to come, and that the odds are against you ever making this work long term, but who cares about the odds? Have fun and good luck.

If you two are that close, it strains credulity as to why you have to go through the agency to see her - you should know her real name and have her personal phone number/address which you can use to meet up on her days off. You're going to have to give us some more details on what's keeping her under lock and key with this agency.  

But even before that how can an agency stipulate that she can't have a boyfriend?  

Chump?
Idiot?
Something else...perhaps lovelorn johnnie boy?

I know her real (and full) name and have her real phone number, email, and other forms of communication.

No I am not paying for sex, she does not charge me.  So thanks for playing.

The real key is to man up, get your divorce and then you will be free to pursue any relationship you want to.

He is sneaking around on his wife, she is sneaking around on her employer, it sounds like a match made in heaven. lmao

Then you are just stealing from the agency, if you are having sex on their time and not paying... If you are having sex on your own time and when she is not officially working, then there is nothing to discuss here. And if you have to come here and ask us, you are just not man enough to date a hooker  

As I said earlier, I have been "similarly situated" many times, the one thing I have found out is that if the woman REALLY wants the relationship, she will find a way. Otherwise it's just so much blah, blah, blah.

Just recently, I started seeing an agency provider, I have her private number, we text a few times a day, I also know her "real" name, and I've seen her sometimes three days in a row, paying of course.

Do we have a "real" relationship? Hell fucking no, she is just giving me the ultimate in GFE (except for still using a condom, and me still paying of course) and that's all there is to it. She is hot, fucks my brains out and I would love to "date" her for real, but the big head is in charge, I KNOW for a fact that she is not really interested in me as anything more that a good, regular customer that maybe she has a "bit" of chemistry with (or maybe not for all I know)

What I am trying to say, is that when it's "real" you won't have to come onto this board asking how to make it work. She will leave no doubt about her feelings, and actions speak a hell of a lot louder than words.

FWIW, I will still continue to see the woman I was speaking about, she flat out rocks my world when we are together, and I don't mind paying for that pleasure, but I am certainly not going to delude myself that there is anything more going on between the two of us. I know when it is real as I've seen "real" before, this isn't it, and I doubt seriously that what he is experiencing is "real" either.

Thanks..  I appreciate the advice.

If your relationship is where you say it is, things should be at the point where her agency is irrelevant - you should be seeing her on purely personal time.  If this so much of an issue, I'd be worried that one of two things are happening:

As a master of the sport, somehow I don't see it forthcoming from him. Maybe he should start off in the kiddie pool, debating the likes of Rod, before jumping into the deep end of the pool.

DEMANDING that no one ridicule your OP is a sure sign of weakness and will draw board sharks like blood in the water. Remember when our little Roddy the Turdmeister DEMANDED respect?  and we all know how well that worked out for him.

You apparently did not read, so let me say it again.

To blame this on a car/apartment is just absurd.

to get financiallys stable enough to get her place and car back.  Otherwise--why???? is she still with them?

Or MAYBE, just MAYBE, when two people enter into a relationship it should not be because of a required co-dependency.

You did say that you still pay the agency and just not her... So I give you that.  OK.. Fine.. The thing is that I read your 2nd reply to me that you are not paying for sex, and took that as you are not paying for sex at all.

WE pay...who the fuck is WE???  You already claimed YOU aren't paying her.  So...which is it?

And you are 10000% correct.  She does need the revenue.

YOU started this thread...put up some drivel that made little sense as it unwound.

Start over...

Just to be clear, it's not about fucking.   I know how that makes me sound, but we have not 'fucked' in the traditional wham bam thank you maam for some time now.

...What does her not having a place and car have to do with anything? Is she living at there in call?  You see her when she isn't working. Simple. None of their business what she does OTC.  

Probably gets ACA, a 401K and vacation as well.

And yet again, if you read my original post, this was meant for providers, not you ass clowns.

You haven't "fucked" in the traditional sense?  WTF has that got anything to do with anything?  You've already commented several times (including your OP) about paying the hooker.  Are you now backpeddling and suggesting that you just "cuddle"?  LOL

She needs a man.. I'll date her....

Since you posted on this board it's an open question.  Try the PO board if you only seek hooker opinions.  

You can't stipulate who can and who can't post...

I was just about ready to PM perfectstorm to get that number for you as well.

In short, my situation is equally as muddy, which was messy for a year before I met her.  And even if it wasn't, I would not move her in immediately.   I made that mistake once, moving a love interest in out of a place of turmoil and dependency.

Why is this even your problem? Your lady should be the one sorting things out with the agency. You don't like the agency's answer? Move her out. Can't? Re-evaluate your ability to hold an actual relationship.

Notice that a womans perspective is way different then that of the guys.

He is married....what a shocker  LOL

Keep in contact for emotional support, and if she's truly a "high earner," then it won't take long to get back on her feet. Then, she can go independent. If it's truly real between you two, then any absence will only make your hearts grow fonder for each other.  

In my experience, which is considerable, if a woman really want to make it happen, she will.

By "make it happen" I mean that she will work it out with the agency, not that she will make the relationship work. I will agree that she has gone well past halfway to meet him.

Now with that out of the way, you need to get out more often if you've never heard of a woman gaming a guy by pretending to be his sweetheart. I have had it happen to me over a dozen times, except of course I don't get my heart broken as I try to stay rooted in the real world, but I can think of dozens, actually more like hundreds of cases where this has happened.

Not too long ago, I dated a Thai provider, she too was an agency girl and she too shared her "real" information with me and we started "dating" for real. I was only a matter of a couple of weeks when I realized that she was simply looking for some "chump" to marry her so she could stay in this country. We broke up rather quickly as I had no desire to have a whirlwind romance leading to a quick marriage, but we have remained friends. She now has a boyfriend and a husband, the poor schmuck who is now her husband has no idea about the boyfriend, but he is in for a very rude surprise once her legal status in this country is made permanent.

I could list a hundred different stories just like this one, but I will concede that in this case at least, the balance needs to shift, but I've also seen a hundred guys just like the OP and that is unlikely to happen, He just wants to have his cake and eat it too.

Richard Gere is not gay!

He's not even bi, IMO. In fact he's getting a divorce from his wife of 16 years because she kept catching him fucking younger WOMEN. The last straw was him hitting on a much younger FEMAILE friend of hers and said friend told her.

He's a well known womanizer. I'm sure back in the gay a lot of gay guys jerked off to pictures of him...And Patrick Swayze too.

Grrrr...

Your ridicule is as lame as your half truths.

Step up your game if you want to play with the big kids, and please try to be original next time. We've seen hundreds of posters just like you, you are good for a few moments of mild entertainment on a slow day, nothing more.

I think Richard Gere is probably a bit old for him, but yeah I can see the previous generations of Andrewwwwws doing that.

One by one. He would have said his nose wasn't perfect, his eyes were a little too close together, and heavens knows what else. It's how al of the features come together visually.

You really are starting to lose any credibility you ever had, I tried to give you a serious answer as someone who has "been there" many times before, but you don't really want answers to your stated OP. You want to know how to have it both ways.  I hope this woman wises up and sees you for what you are.

If you are really looking for a serious answer, Nike summed it up in three words "Just do it" Step up to the plate like a man, and just do it. Somehow I doubt you ever will, and pretty soon the lady will wonder what she ever saw in you.

Not my fault that you can't see how pathetic being a troll is.

Re posting this since it applies to quite a few of you, and quite frankly your not worth my key strokes;

Many agency providers have boy friends. You two met at the agency doesn't mean you two cannot see each other outside of the agency. If the agency opposes it, then find another agency.

You two have issues you guys need to figure out before gold coins start raining from the sky m

Re: Richard Gere is not gay!

And you read this where? The Globe? Oh. Ok. Nvm

You're a chump. That's a fact.  

She shouldn't. Why would she! You are her escape, someone she can talk with until she gets this sorted out. I doubt once she gets on her feet she'll have anything to do with you. We all need that someone to confide in especially when we hit rock bottom. I've been there and I've been there for others who have been there. You aren't offering her much so you can't and shouldn't expect much. It's very lame of you to put any kind of conditions on how she should go about sabotaging her gift horse. Be there for her and enjoy what she gives you, that's all you can do. Be happy if she does keep you around, it's tough to have reminders around when you've hit your lowest.  

Re: Richard Gere is not gay!

OK Steph we believe you.  
What about that famous gerbil rumor though?  
Or was that just one of those urban legends?

But you are planing to go behind the agency back as soon as she moves out, no?
This is what you said:  
   "But when she does get her car and place back, it is going to seem really strange that the guy she sees           constantly just drops off.  It will raise a bunch of eye brows."

If I'm understanding this clusterfuck correctly, she's homeless and sans transport, living at her agency, and seeing you for free. You, meanwhile, are married and not doing anything to help her in terms of her financial situation, yet you want her to put her job in jeopardy by informing the agency of your "relationship" so that you can come and go (pun intended) as you please? If the agency is still getting their cut, I don't see why they would give a shit whether she's getting paid or not. Unless of course you're asking how she should broach the subject so that you no longer have to pay the agency fee either, in which case that makes you a bit of a shyster.  

He's a chump. She's a sucker. Literally and figuratively.

How, exactly, is the agency getting paid?  You're probably directly giving her about half of her regular rate because "the agency" gets that money every time you connect.  She's having sex with you because she loves you, and isn't getting any money herself.  That's the story, right?

This I can't leave alone: you are on an ESCORT FORUM (sorry but I've come to detest "fuck board") bizarrely asking for advice about how to date your girlfriend without paying her agency (sorry if that's not 100% accurate but it's more right than wrong and in any event I'm not about to divert brain cells from useful tasks to try to fully decipher this nonsense) and you accuse another poster of having a sad, pathetic excuse for a life? Now THAT is some fun shit to read, bravo!

I was entirely too lazy to try to make sense of this.  

I couldn't read all of the postings but from what I gathered she is living in the office of the agency she works for.Wow....she needs to get that together first of all.
You don't want her to move in with you but you guys want to be together that is not going to work until she has her own living arrangements.
I used to work for an agency but I did not share anything I did outside of working for them with the agency.
It is not their business but I would not date a client I met through the agency.

The problem with the agency is that: "they do have a policy of the girls not being allowed to contact clients *outside of work* and not going out on "dates".

His post responding to the TwitterQueen GoGoGadgetGirl will give you some cause to shake your head and say to yourself "has it been a week already?" lmao

Maybe married, cheating, lying guys, already are so used to lying that it comes as second nature to "some" of them?

I have been in the same position (minus being married) as the OP in having dated a couple (ok, maybe a few) women that I met through agency dates as a client. Now to say that they were thrilled to have a guy move from being a paying customer to being a "boyfriend" might be a bit of a stretch, but being upfront about it always went a long ways.

As for the OP, I certainly hope the lady in question is smart enough not to leave her job thinking that this deadbeat is going to give her a better life, unless she thinks that being the "other woman" living on scraps is a better life than the one she has now. As a betting man, I would give odds that she is MUCH smarter than that and will be kicking this loser to the curb shortly.

Rodney: I've been gentle so far, have I not?  But this post of yours is one perfect example of why you've been subjected to ridicule here.  Bouncing around like some goofy puppy, slobbering all over the carpet at the ladies and then doubling down on it with ludicrous *gestures*.
Good lord, boy, do you have any idea how silly you look?  You seem to have all the emotional maturity of a 15-year-old girl.  Please, for your own good and ability to enjoy this board, get a grip.

they talk and cuddle. If you gave her her fee she would be that much closer to having enough to get her own place.

Econ 101: infinite supply + zero demand = worthles

I'm sure he'll fly in to Chicago...pay for a weekend with Gretchen...get Courtney to stop over for some escargot...and see if I'll have a latte with him.

Edited to add:
After reading more of the OP posts he states he still pays the agency fee I would suggest after she becomes independent you do not have to let the agency know why you are no longer a client.
Guys stop seeing ladies or take breaks from seeing ladies he does not owe the agency an explanation on anything.I don't see why she owes an explanation to an agency if she decides she does not want to work for them.She lets them know she no longer wants to work there,getting out of the business,or becoming an independent anything else is not their business in my opinion.

Wow, [inanity inanity] and I just think you should [sycophantic comment] because you're just so [idle flattery]. Maybe sometime we should [invitation to meet OTC even though no paid session has ever taken place]. Keep it real [or other silly closing remark].

and I'm going to smack you for that pic!!!

Steph

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You need to stop seeing her until she fixes up her mess and you can be real-world none of the agencies business BF.  Since that might not happen before you cave, she needs to sign up for a cooking class.

Just like to keep my facts straight. And, again, no one is saying it's a boy hamster. Live and let live!

You actually got one right for a change.

Now, If you can ever find the stones to not only find fault with a woman someday, THEN I will say that you have turned the corner, but in the meantime, you definitely pegged this guy for the selfish loser that he is.

How about using the money that he pays the agency with to find her an apartment....

I'm under the impression he doesn't really want to help her, just himself.