If you don't want to go simply say "NO!" If you do go to Dinner with a Client he's already going to pay for your Dinner and Drinks and already payed you for the Session, then you expect to be paid to go to Dinner? Are you Serious? And you think us guys are taking Advantage? I guess Nice Guys do get taken Advantage of.

Maybe they should read and take notes of how A Gentlemen Conducts himself

ince when is an offer to take somebody to dinner taking advantage!!??  

I HATE agreeing with you, but you make a very valid point.

No Guy is going to pay you to have Sex with him let alone pay for your Dinner. So enjoy your "Charging Men for Sex" time. Because later on you're not going to have this time when you get old.

I've done OTC on dinner dates with some of my favs, sometimes you have to show appreciation to those who's given SO MUCH ......  But to be asked by someone who's new after an hour session to do OTC dinner, well my response "I'm busy".....  But I understand the OP's post!!!  

From My experiences and there have been a few. One comes to mind.   It seems to me, That When I have done it on occasion. The Gentlemen Then seems to expect it on A Regular Basis. For example I had one particular Asshole I was seeing Yes Asshole, I enjoyed a lunch with him
and then he persisted on it every session then lunch became dinner  Every time I tried to tell him I could not  He would reschedule to when I ran out of excuses. In other words If I don't join him for lunch or dinner then no session. I finally spoke up And Guess what His response I don't pay for ladies to have dinner with me.  And He was gone Have not seen or heard from him since. AS I Said
This goes Out To the Morons Involved!!! Not The considerate Gentlemen I have had the Pleasure
of Spending time with or the ones who don't pressure the Ladies.  And As far as Time I have my regulars that know I do not watch the clock. If you had the chance to spend time with me You would know.  But they also don't take advantage of me. So This is final post!! Its not inconsiderate to ask but to put Ladies in an uncomfortable position that was supposed to be my point

Of course I would compare sex with certain GILFs I know to a splendid gourmet dinner that I didn't have to presumptuously ask for otc.

LOL

Men paying to watch someone eat food smh. Gambler hit the nail on the head, their are some providers who actually enjoy the company of the client they're with, and won't mind spending an hr off the clock to enjoy a bite to eat. Easy solution if u don't enjoy time with that particular client, politely refuse his otc dinner request

And there will be a time you cant rise to the accession. So your point is????  Cialis and Viagra wont help!!

We aren't mind readers, If your gripe was with guys who take advantage and can't take no for an answer, that is what you should of said. Instead you lumped every guy that asks a hooker out for a meal as an inconsiderate asshole.

At least it appears that once you discovered the hole you have dug for yourself that you have quit digging. For that I give you kudos, for your OP, not so much.

When I asked Many Clients. What is There definition between( A call Girl)- Companion Escort

The lady has no other responsibilities.

take up reading lessons!!!

...and guaranteed yourself a longtime repeat customer.

Playtime and dinner afterwards. I would not however give someone a set rate just to watch them eat. For example rate is $500 and hr, I'm not paying someone $500 just to watch them eat food.  

Im sorry if My words were miss represented or written incorrectly!!   But From My past experiences
If you do it once It seems to me It has become expected. This was not meant to go out to the Gentlemen in the industry!!  A lot guys tend to put you in the situation if you say no then they go Trust me i do appreciate going out with a client and spending time with them but when it becomes a question of weather he will see you for business if you dont entertain him OTC its quite upsetting

I get your point thats why ladies have dinner packages!!

Good to see you've started digging your hole deeper here. I almost thought there for a second you were smarter than I initially had speculated.  

It's part of the fantasy. I like looking across the table at a beautiful woman who I know will soon have my cock in her mouth. It gives me a warm feeling worth paying for. So sometimes that's appreciated, and AFTER the session we grab a burger and a beer. But it's neither expected nor anything terribly time consuming.

I would be totally fine with a play and dinner package.

So I guess it's YOU who should take up writing lessons. lol

Like I said earlier, "when you find yourself in a hole, the first step should be to STOP DIGGING"  I mistakenly thought you grasped that concept but apparently I gave you too much credit.

it includes public/private time, and is very attractively priced. Say my hourly rate would be $500...this 4-hour date would be about $1200. With as much private time as he needs (within reason). It's technically 4 hours, but I will not 'shortchange' him private time if dinner lasts a bit longer than expected, etc. Same for any date...

Have a dinner date rate posted clearly on your website instead of flapping your gums bitching about it here.

The guys may or may not take you up on it, but this way when a guy asks you out for dinner, you can simply refer him to your website. I am beginning to think that you would rather whine and bitch here, than actually find a solution to your problem. If you hadn't noticed there are many other women right here that don't seem to have any of issues with this type of thing that you seem to have. Instead of getting defensive you might try listening to some of the very good advice that you have received here.

So that's pretty much paying a Provider to go to Dinner with you. Sad to know how some Providers Nickel And Dime the Guys out of their Money. Even paying her just for the Sex isn't enough.

The gals that DO enjoy the OTC and realize that strong marketing is part of this business are indeed the gals that enjoy...yeah, actually enjoy...going out with their guys.  And guess what..some of them insist on picking the place as well as picking up the check as well.  And the highly reviewed...and "high end" (depending on the definition...but let's assume $ 500+ gals) are whom I'm referring to.

and it beats the hell out of coming on here whining about it. As the "business owner" it's up to you to set the boundaries, especially for something that is a huge portion of your cash flow. For someone to ask you to provide for free what you clearly offer as a professional service would be beyond rude. For someone to ask another provider with less defined boundaries is quite a different matter. As long as the guy is not "pushy" about it of course. No, still means no.

That's my only issue with the OP. It's not her not wanting to be in her words "taken advantage of" it's her poorly written rant directed at virtually any guy that asks a paid date for an OTC meal. If she is as unclear in what she is saying in person as she appears to be here, it's no wonder she is having issues in this department.

Stop painting with such a big brush and just using black and white.

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If Cloning a Provider is ever perfected in my Lifetime, I'll buy one in a second. It would eliminate getting taken Advantage of by Real Women.

Of course, I'd prefer that every client who wants dinner would just book the g**d*** date...but, that will never happen. OTC requests are a part of the business....as are timewasters, people not wanting to be screened, and dudes insisting upon knowing our real names...

When the customer is looking for an experience greater than what he has contracted for

He's been a tad down on the gals recently.

It guaranteed me a repeat customer, who'd expect an escalating amount of OTC and freebies. I'd eventually get sick of said customer and fire him. Easier to just set boundaries from the first...that way, if the client can't accept the boundaries, he can go elsewhere, before he winds up hurt and the escort has a coronary from being continually aggravated. Loss of money for the escort short term, but better outcome for both parties in the long term.  

Take, for example, shaving.

Which may be just as well ROG as who needs to get shot down by a clone who won't do dinner otc either

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Then why so down?

We all could have gone out to a nice dinner together!

Too bad it was a pointless rant.  Traditionally, men are supposed to be the chosen one who ask a girl. A shrewd escort knows how to turn all these men into a business opportunity, because that's where the demand for her services come from.  

Gentlemen Who Take Advantage (with three exp. marks, I believe)... If you think that is the case, and their intention, I would "just say no" and try to find better clients.  You do not need to offer any excuses or apologies.  A real gentleman would not require that!   And if that upsets the guy--then good for you; maybe he won't come back!  Since I've never been a provider, I don't what it is like for you.  But I'm sure that like any job, there are things that you don't like but have to deal with anyway; and those are probably tougher than most of us can imagine.  So my advice is to be polite, say thanks but no thanks; do your best and move on.    Also, I think it's out of line for a guy to ask for OTC unless you have seen each other for "some time" and "think" you may know each other.   That being said, guys, you will never( or at least rarely) really know each other; so be careful for what you wish for because you just might get it!

Run your business, be consistent. But do not paint every man and woman here with the same paint and brush.

The less stupid OP she will make. lol


I mean honestly, women have been fending off the unwanted advances of men since before we had evolved enough from being somewhere the middle of the food chain to the top. If a woman who does this for a living hasn't figured out how to say NO without whining about it on TER, she really should consider another line of work that doesn't require so much thought. Maybe something like becoming a walking billboard would be more her style.lmao

Ok, I know I really should lighten up on the OP a little, she has most likely been pummeled enough for one day, but if she doesn't have enough sense to STOP DIGGING once it was made clear to her that she was in a hole, can you really blame me for a having a bit of fun at her expense?

Her great looks are why you should keep "both eyes" on her.

The fact that she is smart is why I like her even though it is exceedingly unlikely I will ever feast on her beauty.

For the record she is not the only smart woman here, but she might be the best combination of beauty and brains, even though she has the poor taste to associate with the likes of Inicky. lol

Problem solved

I get her annoyance, though.

and rightly so. But the best thing that happened is that he disappeared so you could not have to deal with his bad behavior anymore!

I do feel the level of intrusion is not the norm. He's the definition of a "camper", it's just not happening in the room, it was happening at lunch or dinner. Be glad you are rid of him.

That being said your post was a rather sweeping generalization.

Steph xoxo

Smile sweetly, tell him how wonderful the offer is but that you have something else that needs your attention. And if the gentleman keeps asking, do what I do and let him know you have a very busy life and that any spare time is taken up with family, another job and friends. I remark that the time we spend together is great.

I will never let that shit happen, I am very fair with my time with respected clients but if one made me feel that if I didn't I would have no hesitation to let him know why I will not see him ever again.

Maybe you would have preferred a softer delivery of the same truth?

but the only way to be sure that you really want to go is if YOU do the asking, which makes Devin's point so appropriate.

When asking a provider that I know professionally out for dinner, drinks or whatever, I almost always go about it in the same way, something along the lines of "I would love to go have dinner or something with you someday, if you are ever find yourself with some time on your hands and would like to do something, call me anytime, but don't worry, I won't be bugging you about it every time I see you"

I am actually amazed at how many times I have gotten a text or a phone call, days or even weeks later. I guess it's all in the delivery, or maybe women in this business tend to like guys who "get it" at least that's what I've been told.

and then doubling down on stupid, will end up with her digging a hole to China. Which is ironic considering most of us agree with the point she "wanted" to make, but not with what she actually said, but if she wants to dig in her heels and look like yet another BSC hooker, that's her business, although I will confess to perhaps having a bit of fun watching her twist and turn in a web of her own weaving.

This is GOLD. The fact that you have the smarts to say that will alleviate much pressure. Most guys take an inch and go a mile which sours guys like you.

When it's accepted as "special" and appreciated, I love doing a little "extra" but the moment it is taken for granted and I start feeling taken advantage of, I start to resent it, and just like you, I stop offering.

Depends on how established she is. When you're trying to establish clientele in this business or are in real need of good reviews...to ask for OTC time... the man is hanging something over your head and you have to outfox the fox to get out from under that in tact.  

I knew I was smarter than a lot of men but I didn't realize it was I haven't shaved around 50 years and I'm now 82.lol  

just check out the dumb shit he has to say on the Chicago board. One lucid post here, followed by a hundred stupid ones elsewhere.

I know I should be more specific when talking about dumb posts made by him. Try the post asking if it's a good idea to change female condoms when fucking two different guys. I wonder if he shares regular condoms with his "buds" as well? That may go down as one of the stupidest questions I have ever seen on this, or any other board that I can remember.

Short and sweet - change how you say it.  I kick myself in the ass every time I start a new friendship on the wrong path because I'm trying to be polite and make a good impression.  You probably had some free time the first time you met that client and thought - "Dinner sounds good."  

I have on a few occasions been told by a few different ladies that  we should get dinner and they want to treat me.  Calm down people .... I don't need to hear a bunch of crap.   It has actually happened on a few occasions and here is the but..... they never seem available to have dinner lol. So why ask is my question.  I do not expect anyone to ever go to dinner with me but why ask if u don't have the time ?

I'm not one of the grammar or spelling police. I feel if you can get your point across, then putting "weather" in a sentence where the context suggests you meant "whether" typically doesn't give me any grief. But your OP was not very concise or clear, in fact it was difficult to understand exactly what it was that you were trying to say. By the way, just curious here and not criticizing, what purpose does capitalizing a non noun word serve when you do so mid sentence? I understand that if you were to capitalize the entire word you would be placing emphasis on that word. I'll admit that I'm not in the cool crowd, so perhaps its a new thing that young people do, maybe in texting lingo.  

We've all heard a lot softer ways of saying it.

Maybe she's only backtracking to please people. Do you work in a carnival? Or, nearly as bad, drive a truck?

it just best to not ask for OTC time. This is such a simple arrangement, I don't get why some guys try their best to screw it up. It's simple and it's perfect.

She was just frustrated.

Now we know BSC don't we?


Steph   xoxo

is probably not your first language.  Your grammar, spelling, punctuation, capitalization, etc. need improvement.  There is at least one error is each line of your post.

Why deal with it?

The best part... it's always her idea.

when she tried to talk to him about it.

Steph

Talk about it?  

Though I would love too... I have never seen you and I have no idea how you do your job... Personally, I am uncomfortable with women who pretend that there is more than sex going on... And, sex that they 99.999% wouldn't have in the absence of $$$... A lot of women seem to do this, or have seemed to do that with me and it is irksome. I projected that behavior onto you... Ehhh, I am not the perfect being I seem to be damn near all the time...

AFTER they were finished with the intimate stuff. He got worse and worse so she tried to talk to him about it and he disappeared,.

REREAD it, it's all there.

Steph

and being asked this sort of thing is to my mind a compliment on the skills of a provider in making time with a client feel 'real'

Speak for yourself -ONLY!