revelations in the new year. i know i’m different than most hobbyists in that i’m intentional about bringing providers into my personal space. i’m on the fence about flying out a particular provider for an overnight. my hesitancy isn’t particularly about her but more about providers in general. i’ve done several overnights at my home and i’ve had mixed results. in deep thought about why i’ve had mixed results something finally dawned on me. when you open up your home thinking “she’ll be happy i’m paying her overnight rate”…thinking “i’m going to have a night of fun instead of just an hour or two”…these women are adding up all the trickle down money they get from you and other guys and comparing…that’s right comparing the furniture they have in their little one bedroom apartment to the furniture in your home. comparing the suv that some other guy let them borrow and drive around…to the vehicles that you own in your driveway.  

i feel scammed but at the same time relieved because it all makes sense now and it’s nothing about me…it’s their hangup. so a guy pays you upwards of $1500 for an overnight and you ruin his night because you realize you’re a h*e at the core of your heart and have nothing to show for all the trickle down money that you made laying on your back. smh…before i got all of the material sh*t…i looked at people that were shining and knew my day was coming.

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...you're most likely subsidizing her visit where other guys will only be paying to see her for an hour or two while she's in town. I'd rather be one of those guys.

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Did she have teeth?

"pays you upwards of $1500 for an overnight " - that sounds like a very low overnight rate considering today's inflated rates. Wouldn't that be a decent overnight rate for a 'quality' provider , like fifteen years ago? Today it's like 1k/hr 'average' inflated, so overnight could be 3k to 8k depending.

you guys are confusing overnight rates with fmty rates. i said upwards of $1500 (meaning at a minimum $1500) because sometimes a provider is local or already in town touring and essentially you’re just paying for the overnight hours and no travel expenses. anyhow you guys are making my point for me…if you pay $3k to $8k for an overnight (like someone replied) then she better talk sh*t under her breath with her little jealous/envious @ss and at the same time put something on your soul that you will always remember for that kind of money NOT bullsh*t you and actually become a stressor in your life by being in your personal space and playing games like a civvie chick. we’re paying the rates they set…the rates that supposedly make them happy…and they’re going to act like we’re not doing something for them…like they’re not getting anything out of it. after you open up your home their mindset and outlook is like you flaunting your lifestyle in their face but in reality you just helped them out and put thousands in their pocket.

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I am a non-judgemental provider, but am not a full-time adult entertainer. I have never compared myself to anyone because we are all very different. I do not have a 1 bedroom apartment, nor can I relate about the car issue. I am the head of my house, matriarch, single Super Mom who works all day everyday. I have a whole sale dealers license, so I drive many cars & swap out daily its pretty cool to have options darling. $1,500 is my 2 hour tribute, so maybe step your game up & pick a provider that has her shit together. Let's be honest no one gets money laying on their back lol smile for me. You have to work hard in this cut throat industry to be a top rated provider. Laying on your back makes you a lazy companion. You feel scammed because your inviting negative energy into your home. This is why I would never provide out of my private home. My furniture costs more, than what your spending on an overnight date love bug.

if that’s the lifestyle you lead then this post wouldn’t strike such a nerve with you. if you actually read my post it would make sense that i am talking about overnights i have paid for in the past. with that being said even in today’s market there are several solid providers that offer overnights at that rate. let me give you a little bit of game…would you rather have a client come see you twice a month every month…so two overnights at $1500 a night…$3000 month or only see that same client every other year when he can figure out how to block off $8000 just to give to you for one night?

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...off your trolling line.  After reading your post that started this thread, and previous utterances you've made on this forum in the past, you come off as a judgmental, entitled asshat.  You constantly post negative comments about providers and it seems that you don't consider the human aspect of this hobby we have.  Providers are just as human as you and as such, live the best life they can doing what they have chosen to do.  Who are you to judge, or think that all providers live in a one bedroom apartment and don't have their own, nice vehicle to drive?  Who are you to imagine that they look at your possessions and somehow are jealous of what you have versus what they have?

Your post doesn't say that they actually make comments to you about your royal surroundings.  As such, you are making that up in your mind and mentally putting it on them.  I know many providers that own and drive their own, very nice vehicles, own their own home and some even own investment properties, some that invest in the market, and some that own legit businesses and do this because they like the extra cash and/or enjoy the hobby just as much or more than we do.

Have you considered that the reason you have had "mixed results" is because of your entitled, superior behavior or your demeanor when you are with a provider?  Do you come off as an entitled jerk and build a wall of superiority that turns them off?  That seems genuinely possible because that is how you seem from the posts you write.

The next time you are with a provider, why don't you try treating them like a human, a beautiful woman who you are spending time with as opposed to treating them like a "h*e".  I assure you that the results will be a vast improvement over what you have constantly described here in the past.  Either way, it doesn't affect me at all.  However, you are clearly looking for something different that what you've experienced so far in this hobby.  If you try to have a genuine conversation with many of these women, you will learn that they are perfectly well- adjusted, smart and have much more going on than meets the eye.  You may actually learn that they have as many, or more worldly possessions than you claim to have and that they have no reason whatsoever to look at your surroundings and feel even a hint of jealousy toward you.

As the old saying goes, "The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over, expecting different results".  

Take a long, hard look at yourself and it may down on you that actually it is YOU that is the problem.

Maybe she thinks it better that she make the same money but only see 4.5 times a year -- you're spending the same money so I don't get why it's such a bit problem to fund the visit. Is that a difficulty with putting funds aside for a while and not having the discipline to not spend on something else?

 
But at the end of the day, you'll find the arrangement that works for you and others will do the same. If the one you want to see has a different plan than you the oft given advice here is best: just move on.

My Mom had the same lame logic & that’s what makes people unhappily married. Lol!

both of you struggle with reading for comprehension. the example i posed is seeing a client and making $3000 x 12 months…$36000 every year or $8000 every two years.  

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"They must resent me because I have more."

Gimme a break. Most providers that I know have a nice place, whether an apartment or home. They spend a shit-ton on clothes, shoes, nice cars, spa treatments, and travel. They look at well-off clients as safe, steady income, not something to disdain or resent.

fuck you john. this isn’t the first post you’ve replied to and twisted my words. it is a FACT that most providers hate their clients. all i was trying to say with this post is…they can be hateful and envious but that doesn’t give them the right to agree to these overnight sessions and play games like civvie women do.

you come off as one of those pro provider types so this will probably go in one ear and out of the other. what if i was the same perfect gentleman that i was in the previous sessions that i had with them before i invited them to my home for the overnight? that’s the point of this post. i treated them with respect and opened up my home…paid their high rates and they felt entitled enough to ruin my night by being jealous of my lifestyle.

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Their lives must be not magnificent. I don’t agree with nada you say. Your hooker math is ridiculous, like your posts. When you get a vagina & start hoeing let me know if you still see and by all your bs posts.

do tell Queen…when is the last time a client spent thousands of dollars on you for one night? and how often did this same client spend thousands of dollars on you for overnights?

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If that was also directed at me then I think you should try reading again.

 
I posed a different scenario and see no reason to think the only alternative cases are the two you limited them to. I posed the question to you as to why a provider might consider getting the same 36K a year (on average) by charging the 8K a night but only seeing someone approximately every 2.5 months. It's clear why you would want the former but not clear why the lady does. She makes the same money seeing someone 9 times over two years as she does seeing someone 48 times in two years.

Here you go again with your projecting on other people.  

I certainly am not an anti-provider type, as it appears you are.  I understand the dynamics of human nature and I have a pretty good idea of how to make the most out of my time spent with providers.  I treat them with respect and as equals, above everything else.  I actually care how they feel and enjoy making a bit deeper connection with them.  If that makes me a pro provider type, I'll gladly accept that.

You have described your behavior as being the "same perfect gentleman" you were in your previous sessions, but you have provided absolutely no description of her behavior or any evidence that she felt "entitled" and/or "jealous" of you in any way.  However, you do mention multiple times her "high rates".  So, what exactly is the real issue you have?  How exactly did she ruin your night by being jealous of your lifestyle?  In the scope of the context you have provided, what do her "high rates" have to do with anything?  Is what she charged you possibly the real issue you mean to complain about?  You did know her rates before you booked her to come to your home

I don't know you, other than what you write here in this forum and that material makes you sound like you are impossible to please.  Again, I will suggest you take some time and do some real self-evaluation.  You may find that it isn't the girl that is the problem, it's actually YOU that is creating the issues that you perceive.

". it is a FACT that most providers hate their clients."

Link?

When everyone figures this one out  I would love to hear the answer !  

.... trumps the other Mongers.  However, in a now deleted thread, the OP thought it funny to ruin a KGirl's hair & makeup in order to bump a couple of clients behind him and deprive the woman of earned income.  It is no wonder in the OP's mind that Providers hate their clients when they get treated like he behaves towards them!

If you do your research and find the right gal,who will knock your socks off,even if it mean to fly her in. Know what you're getting  before you settle. Some providers  will count  every hour of the night thinking they can make  more than the overnight  rate, even thought  they are just seeing  one guy in comparison to few for for that night.  
I do overnight with only girls I have seen many time and have a good relationship with get you. Usually  they are like a girlfriend,  because we always connect  around  birthdays  and major  holidays  etc.
So yes, you can blame yourself  for the most part.