And he'll assume you're in love with him. You can't change that. Most men just think that way and they will insist on thinking that way for the rest of their lives because that's what they perceive as their basic nature. It's an aspect of mediocre mindsets. Let's just leave it that.

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Well, not exactly, because it's never happened to your old dad.  But I have made some great friends.

I'll never tell))

I like it when the act gets dropped and you get to know the person behind the facade. When I hit it off with a lady, I look at it like it's a fling with no further potential, rather than a potential LTR. It's really just an opportunity to revel in the best of each other without ever having to deal with the baggage that inevitably arises in any relationship. Don't let your heart turn cold

If you take a commodities broker to lunch, he'll try to sell you pork bellied.
Take a hooker to lunch...

As based on PMs and posts from other bros, I'm 100% sure there's a lot of action on OTC/SD/SO relationships (ie, renegotiation) going on. In my experience, the unsolicited (except maybe replying to a random post) SB offers start rolling before Thanksgiving.  

The guy is trying to read the woman(in this case a hooker) like a man.

First of all, it was his first time. He went out of his way to state it, coming off of 28 years of marriage, faithful etc. So, the guy's obviously still in a fragile state..ie insecure,vulnerable. Pretty easy to see how that can be misconstrued if you haven't done your homework and you don't really get the do's and don'ts.  

that after having a awesome session with one of the girls who I felt quote "connected" with that she was really into me lol. I was such a idiot that I actually called her up and asked her out on a real date and luckily she was a very sweet girl and let me down gently by saying she had a boyfriend.  

I don't believe the Gent stated he was married & my reply was if he was free, as in not married.  If the gent is married, he has no business being a gals local 'go to' guy.  Let's say for a second she flies into his city.  She might arrange to be picked up at the airport, maybe get dinner...  possibly have freebee sex (or not).  If she needs transportation to go shopping, he gets the call.  
If he's single...  he might want to.  If he's married, he will not be available for her.  

Agency clients (in my experience) are much more impulsive when it comes to hobbying habits. They book whoever is available near a certain address at 5:15. Or even whoever can come to their apartment RIGHT NOW.  

You actually think you can FALL for someone you met ONCE and paid btw, just because you're attracted to them and have great sex? Um wow lol. If that's the case, I could have fallen for 3 out of 10 clients. Takes a bit more than that.

"It's amazing to me that the more a client 'cares' for me 'as a person' or 'wants the best' for me...the less likely he is to want to pay for the time he takes up...and that's time I could use to meet those goals of which he is so 'supportive' rather than listening to him yak about how special I am."

No, no client has ever told me any of that/done any of that....

Then you don't believe in 'love at first sight'? Not a romantic? Obviously the hooker/john equation makes that laughable, not saying it doesn't., But, no, I don't think it's out of the realm of possible to imagine that two people who spend lots of time leading up to a highly charged sexual encounter, texting and emailing and flirting, then meeting, spending several hours together and being physically intimate could feel 'something', ie fall for one another.

Sometimes it's clear, sometimes not so much.  

Love and lust are not the same thing, and I don't care how not jaded one is. Love is not a feeling like so many want to lie to themselves about... it is a decision, and one that not many seem to follow through with. So, if you're asking if I believe that real love happens that way especially when money is involved, my answer is no. Do I believe people are that lonely and deluded to buy into it? Fk yea lol. I am not jaded, but I am also not desperate. I would never fall for a client that paid me to fk him, and I would hope he felt the same.  

Gosh I hope so, because even the dumbest of hookers can just pick up a book lol.

Too good to be many guys' whore, but not just his whore. So played out lol.

He either thinks we're all illiterate retards...or he thinks HE'S Kant reincarnated, lol.

You're putting a finer point on your argument and limiting it to hooker/john, and in that respect I don't disagree with you. Nor do I disagree that no one falls in LOVE after one encounter. Love is something that is built over time and starts from lust, as you state. I agree with you 100% there.  

You were not born knowing what you know now, so had to either learn it from school, books, or experience. Either way, anything you can learn, so can anyone else. Not all hookers are as dumb as some of you like to convince yourselves of, but yah... some are. I don't know d*ck about taxes, but when I went to dinner OTC with CPA, that was the LAST thing we talked about. It's a bit hard to absorb any 'knowledge' over 5 Martinis.

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before he got started, but daddy was too busy getting drunk with GaG and banging chicas...lol

If this is really a problem, then it doesn't take a genius to fix the trouble before it starts. Don't offer OTC time, you are mixing business with pleasure. You said it yourself that you went because you were alone and bored, so in that instance you were pushing the boundaries of the "date".  

Luckily, all my OTC friends had a brain lol. You can't start out a conversation of OTC time with "Look dude, I am really hungry and bored, so wanna buy me dinner" lol. It does not work that way. You can't discuss it before the date, because you don't know if you're going to want to be with that clown after you fk him. It always happens after, unless it's some guy I have known from the boards, and the before part won't matter... I have already made my mind up I want to meet this person long before the envelope drops.

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So literal! I don't think he means those exact words! I think he means it is better to take the message off the table right from the get go and come up with some polite way to do it. Even though that is CLEARLY what you mean, said in a different way, most guys wouldn't even mind it! ANd probably would feel the same. But I agree that you should say something that makes it clear. Or he should say it! He isn't going to ask "wanna have dinner"? I don;t think that's your premise though. So if it comes from YOU, the hooker, then most guys would appreciate making the distinction. So they know where YOU are coming from!

You just proved that a guy not a newbie anymore can subscribe to this delusion.

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When I think about it, it's amazing the Pup turned out as well as he did.  I am very proud.

In the words of Charlie Sheen:  "I don't pay them for sex, I pay them to leave!!"

End of your 2nd paragraph is preciesly why I would never do an overnight or even a 3 to 4 hour dinner date with an escort.

So, if you do a long date you automatically think you would fall in love? You can still do an overnight with someone you like fkin without running a bed and breakfast. You fk, you sleep, you fk again, and leave. Done deal... same goes for dinner dates. You can talk to someone without falling in love, or being anything more than the time you paid for.  Well, most guys can anyway. There is no delusion about what you're paying for, but that has nothing to do with how long you stay. Guys on business all the time want someone to sleep with, eat with, etc. They are lonely, but that does not make them nuts lol.  

My last paragraph was about the guys who book shorter dates and nag for extra time.

Again, I do the asking, but there is this thing called TACT. Try it sometime. If you asked me, "Hey ho, wanna kill some time" you would get a slap in the face. If you asked, "Look, I was gonna grab some dinner, wanna come if you're not busy," the answer would be a yes, but that does not mean anything more than it is. I get that MOST guys know this... you seem to be the one who is not so sure.  

The part where you add "hey ho" wasn't necessary. I didnt say that. Nor was I suggesting the exact line to use that would be the most tactful.  

Yes I know the reply will be something brilliant.
Like "you're a so and so",
"I hate everything you write",
"You cut everyone down."

and, it just happens to be MY favorite band lol

More like Tupac and Jon B's, "R U Still Down" bwahahahahaha.

When lyrics aren't enough...(link)

But it's on topic in a sense because it could be about hobbyists and their ladies.

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good thing I took some time off work this week.

It's kind of a common story.  New hobbyist has appointment with hot provider.  She exceeds expectations and make the time feel real.  He thinks she wants more and she is wanting a returning client.   Hopefully this guy figures out the score and is not posting in a couple months on how he has fallen for a provider and she has broken his heart.

jumps down the throat of a poster saying they should have posted their repetitive or seemingly ignorant thread on the Newbie board, I think it's kinda funny that there is absolutely no problem with going the other way - grabbing a thread from there to use for entertainment purposes here!!

You can't mock the newbies ON that board, but you sure as hell can bring it here lol.

that I cant get in one or maybe two hours.therefore a long date is waste of time and money to me.

You tried to equate long dates into feeling something, which is not the case. Did some hooker break your heart? You seem bitter lol. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but your posts speak volumes. "I can't fall for someone I don't trust." Um, you don't even KNOW her. Last I checked, we are not the highest majority of the ones lying. Just saying. I've never cheated on a guy in my life nor have I tried to date one whilst keeping this a secret.

When I get to the point where I post every day, 20,30,40 times a day, know everything there is to know about prostitution, and well, everything else for that matter...in other words, the day I become you....

I only hope I can be a part of the second version of the Newbie Bible you put out. LMAO.

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