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And yesterday didn't you state that girls always inflated their prices so OTC time wasn't really OTC?  Just another way to fleece tricks?  I guess this was your way to playing the tough guy.
Now, as for your "version du jour," that's the way it is for you.  Not for me.  I generally do 1 hour or 90 minute sessions and they are generally active ones for the entire time.  Yes, there's some catching-up chit chat at the beginning because we're friends, and perhaps a bit at the end.  Then whatever happens after that is based on her schedule.  If there's time to chat she'll let me know.  Often we have mutual friends in common and she wants to hear the latest.  Or, if the time of day is right and she's hungry, we'll continue our chat over a meal. Really pretty simple stuff.  Unless you have a need to complicate it.  I don't.

I think your "I'd want a blowjob after dinner" says quite a lot. Why would a provider ever want to do OTC with you when you're just thinking "where's the check so I can get my dick back in her mouth?" When I've done OTC for lunch, dinner or whatever it's because we had a great time, we have something in common and it was fun as shit to hang out with her. And maybe they felt the same way or wouldn't have done it (or they were just hungry, lol). Either way I didn't have an agenda so it was fun and I've learned an awful lot about the providing side of this through such encounters. It's not for everyone, and clearly not for you.

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 Personally I have no desire for OTC time, dinner dates etc. because it blurs the lines between sex and "hang out " time. Since I don't have sex 60 minutes non-stop, I get enough "hang out" time during a session.  
   
 The reason I say it blurs the lines is something like this: If I have a session and then go out to dinner I would want a blowjob after dinner when we got back. That would mean switching from "sex time" to "OTC time" and back to "sex time." Since dinner was OTC, should the after dinner blowjob be "OTC" or do you offer her extra for that? See how the lines blur?  
   
 I would be interested in what the guys and ladies think of this.

As opposed to being a hobbyist, or if you prefer, a monger or john?   As such, it is not surprising that you would not want to go beyond the sexual element when meeting with a provider, or if you prefer, hooker.  You already get that from your sugar babies, right?  The OTC stuff, that is.

There have been times in the civilian world where I fucked a girlfriend, took her to dinner and got a blowjob after we got back. It's not about having an agenda. It's too easy for the lines to get blurred in an OTC situation. I like to keep the fantasy BCD.

I have really never asked for OTC but have had it twice. Both times were spontaneous and fun. One time the room was with in smelling distance of the hotel restaurant and we both commented on how good it smelt the whole session. I said I was going to have to get a steak after this. She said me too. We walked down the hall and ate together. It was fun and no I didn't ask for a bj when we were done. Another time a provider asked me what I was doing the rest of the day. I said I was going to get a new suit. She took me to a place where she knew the salesperson and actually got me a discount. OTC is not my thing and I don't really want it but there was nothing wrong with either time I did it. BTW: it was not the first appointment for either provider.

I'm not backpedaling from anything. If you are going to take the fantasy beyond BCD, then it's not unusual to get a blowjob/sex after taking a girl out to dinner. You had girlfriends prior to mongering, right? That's how it often works.  

The cliche saying...  

Because we tried to go outside of the fantasy and they couldn't handle it.

But............If the girl was unattractive to me I would not have had sex with her before dinner

Yes. When someone starts joking about OTC sex, or offering 2k per month for a sugar baby, but is only joking. Like bitch if I said yes, you'd be all over it. You're not joking, you're testing the waters

Many gals feature dinner date options consisting 3-4 hours of time:  One hour of pre-dinner fun followed by 1-2 hours of dinner culminating in "dessert" back at her place.

One of the great things about this game is you can actually make friends with people.  I've made a bunch, both female and male.  We're all adults who are quite able to handle blurred lines and not fall down and be unable to get up.

The difference between you and me (ok, one of the MANY differences between us) is that I only enjoy OTC non BCD time with women I actually like, and I just look at is as time well spent with a friend, while you seem to think any time "wasted" with a hooker when your dick is not inside of her as a waste of your time.

I'm talking OTC dinner after a 1 hour or 90 minute. It's just not going to happen. Once you give a free BJ, you will never get paid again. That's just how it works with those who try to nudge a free bj in.

You play it smart. Most of the Dinner/OTC talk I've seen sounds like a marketing gimmick to get a guy to come back and spend more money as a regular. Actually, I don't mind the hooker "wasting" my time with an OTC dinner as long as I get a Blowjob out of it after dinner. LO

Whatever the gal wants to do with you Off the clock, for free.  I for one never expect to get OTC time.  I don't ask for it, I don't "test the waters".  If a gal is willing to communicate and/or spend time with me OTC, its entirely her choice.  While I don't mind OTC time and actually enjoy some of it, generally I want to have my appointment and go home.  I have limited play time due to my maital situation and see providers when time and cash allows.  While I am not adverse to a meal with a provider, I wouldn't pay "on the clock" prices to eat with one, but I would pick up the tab at the restaurant if we were both hungry at the same time.  I have companionship in my marriage, what I don't have is a lot of sex which is why I pay for it.  To me, companionship, if not offered freely is worthless.  I pay for the fantasy, I pay for the sex and illusion of GFE for the hour or 90 mins.  If you want to hang out IRL, great! But I'm not paying to hang out, eat & watch TV.  I do that already, its called marriage.

I don't see a lot of escorts but 80% of them do OTC with me. Some are before or after the on the clock activity. Some are at my request, some by her suggestion, and some are planned without any sex involved before or after. With  my ATF we go OTC to places with her 9 year old.

And she would be more likely to move on to another full paying one hour or 90 minute to fill that time slot instead. And also another one who books a 1 hour or 90 minute two hours later, instead of giving it for free.

For sake of argument, Our hooker turns no more than 2 tricks a day. The Dinner date/OTC guy is the last trick of the day. She has no "slot" to fill. It's after dinner. The trick has wasted 2 hours of his time and 500 bucks on the dinner. The trick seldom gets off on CFS so he just wants a BJ. Figure 30 minutes for the BJ.  

I think OTC is a strange animal. It's ironic that a lot of men like it here. A lot of these same men condescendingly comment about how escorts can't save money, how they rent instead of own, have specials when rent is due, etc. These same men also comment on how they'd never pay to watch a girl eat or sleep. Often, these men make fun of older women who provide. Their comments lead me to believe that the women they choose to see are young and probably don't have it together yet. Younger women, or even older women who don't have it together are much more likely to have the time to "hang out" OTC. Hence they base their opinions about escorts in general on those women they see, who offer them OTC time. Then they brag about OTC like it's some trinket they've won. lol.

Awesome Post!

Whatever is decided is decided between you an the individual involved...for me OTC is limited as I am simply busy with a variety of activities at one time usually.