So, I started on the Sugar scene about three weeks ago. I was looking for something more meaningful than the normal wham bam hookups that come with the professionals. I debated about an arrangement with an ATF (which I don't have) and a traditional SB/SD relationship. What follows are my observations of that world vs. the experience with the pros.
My hope is that others who are considering activity in the sugar world will be enlightened. I am also hoping to hearing others experiences. Finally, maybe writing this note saves me some time onl my therapists couch as this gives me an outlet to clear my head here goes:
1.) The talent pool in the SB world is simply incredible! In my experience hobbying I've seen girls rated 9's and 10's consistently who, in my opinion, were more like 7's. There's a lot of grade inflation in the professional world. However, I've been in the Sugar world for3 weeks and the beauty of the ladies amazes me.
2.) The openness of the Sugar world takes some getting used to. I have been engaged with about 4 POT SB's. They don't hesitate to send selfies, provocative photos, give real phone numbers, their place of employment, etc. this takes you back a little at first as in the hobby world we all operate under cover of aliases and blurred photos. It's also ironic because in the hobby world we men give out all of our real info, but never get the ladies'. In the sugar world it is just the opposite.
3.) So far I have had many online exchanges (4 of which went somewhere). I had actual phone conversations with 4 ladies. I have had 2 meet ups so far.
4.) Of the 4 women I engaged with, 3 had regular jobs! It's amazing that regular women with jobs/careers will enter an ongoing sexual relationship for cash!!
5.) Pros and SB's are very, very different. It's almost laughable that I considered an arrangement with an ATF. These two could not be more different.  
6.) I have a decision to make as my last date would like to enter an arrangement with me ($400 per week) and bi-monthly shopping. She sent me photos that suggested she was an 7-8. Imagine my surprise when I get to the restaurant and find out she's a 10!!!! I was almost embarrassed at the restaurant with all of the stares we got walking in. She's that damn hot!!
6A.) SB are NOT pros. Pros are NOT Sb's!!  
7.) I decided to explore the sugar world because of my desire for a "connection". I have been somewhat disenchanted with sessions. For me, 90% of the enjoyment is from the neck up. Here's my exchange with my POT SB last week.
Me: Hey babe, I miss you, can you please take a picture of yourself and send it to me so I can see you and what you're wearing today.
SB: Here you go, I hope you like it!
Here's another e-mail exchange:
ME: OK babe, this is my last e-mail for today then I won't be bothering you anymore today.......
SB: You're not taking up my time. I like when you message me!
8.) The chances of being found out by a spouse is MUCH, MUCH greater with a SB than with a pro. If you are careful it is nearly impossible to get caught hobbying. It is commonly know in Law enforcement circles that the toughest crimes to solve are the ones that are random. While there's nothing to fear from law enforcement in the SB world, the chances of a spouse finding out are great!! Dating, once per week. Hotels weekly. My SB wants me to Take her shopping. This week I'll be taking her out to lunch Again!  
Now, all that being said I'm not sure I'm going into an arrangement with a SB just yet. There are a few things  
That will likely stop me from proceeding with the current proposed arrangement. For starters, my conscience won't let me at this time. I know, if I've been hobbling I've already F'd up. Somehow, I justify that in my mind. Never more than once with same girl, plausible deniability, blah. Blah blah. I just feel awful internally at the thought of a regular "on going" relationship.
Not to mention the commitment. I will be committed to $2,000 monthly. I will be committed to seeing her weekly. I will be committed to taking her out: shopping, to eat, etc. On a side note, one of the huge advantages that pros have is TER. The ability for us hobbyist to see reviews and know exactly how things will go BCD is a huge advantage. We have no idea how things will go with the POT SB.
All that being said my 3 week experience will affect my future behavior. Here's how: I'll likely cut back on my hobbying quite a bit. I am a 7-10 per year guy. That'll likely go to 3-4 per year. It is highly likely I'll enter an "arrangement" in the future. I am fascinated with the happenings in the SB world. I'll need to sort of the administrative tasks of finding/sourcing/secretly moving the required cash. I'll have to creatively find a way to have weekly meet-ups and outings. But, most of all I need time to get in the right head space.  
I'm very interested I hearing fro the TER community. Writing this note has been very therapeutic for me. I hope it sheds some light for the hobbyists considering the entering the SB world.

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You started your thread with a little bias against pros.  Many but not all "pros" are actually in this field for additional source of income besides their regular jobs.   Cash may not be the only reason.  Meeting others and experiencing their sexuality, satisfying their nymphomania, etc. (those are real gems....real deal because they ENJOY it) are all reasons.  Like one of the providers once told me, every time she goes out to a bar or public scene, she has no difficulty getting laid, so she might as well make cash while having fun.   Again, these are few and not the majority.    

The down side to SB, as I see it, is that you are going to have to listen to and endure the bullshit of a relationship. Women are magnificent creatures, but they do tend to be a little catty and needy emotionally, and if you have the patience and the will to deal with all that then more power to you. And wow, you're going into this while being married, you're a better man than I, I couldn't deal with one woman, much less two.

Once you go sugar, you never go back! Well, except for a little variety. The reason the Sugar Babies look so good is youth! The average provider is around 40. The average SB is around 24. You can't beat young and fresh!

So 3 weeks in and you think these 4 POT SB's have a genuine interest in you? Sure they do. That is laughable. So many women seek attention via sending half nude or nude pics on social media and to whatever BF of the week they have, sorry if you thought you were special. FYI hookers have real jobs and real lives, whether we make it your business or not to know, depends on the hooker. Glad you have made such a delineation between the two worlds, but withhold the sugar and the shopping and see if she will still stroke your ego and suck your dick... I am not sour nor bitter about either world but I just like seeing it for what it is. If I am bored enough I will play SB too but he has to be hot and fun in my opinion I can't fake it for that long. I also wouldn't seek a guy who is as needy as you sound but hey there is someone for everyone.

Blowhard

And in 97.2% of the cases, he seems to simply pull the numbers out of his ass.

3 weeks and not a single SB date and you got it all figured out. That rambling post is useless.

Now I sound like Yogi Bera.

The typical age...hmmm.

A very realistic view of the whole situation Jaye!!

After reviewing some of the comments and re-reading my original message there are a few things I'd like to add:
1.) I am in no way Dissing the pros. I like and appreciate the ability to hobby. There are still situations where the pros will not only do well, but dominate. For example, when I am traveling and in a different city for a short period, I'll still call a pro.
2.) One of the ladies made a comment about me being needy another couple made fun of me not getting laid yet. This is why I  was trying to make the very wide distinction. Having a SB is very different from scheduling with a Pro and getting laid. It is NOT for everyone but suits me. In my first few conversations and texts I actually felt the way that I did back in college. Because you are actually getting to know someone there is an intimacy, butterflies and anticipation. Yes, it's a big arrangement, but NOT in the sense that a session is. As an example, I had more than one POT turn me down as they said they couldn't "date" a married man. I'll be damned if that ever happened with a Pro.  
3.) Before you meet-up or start serious communication they always ask for photos and some info on you. They want to make sure any guy the DATE is worthy. Again, these are two separate planets.
So, again sorry if I offended any providers. I love you ladies and my experiences have been good. But, for me, and for the time being I'm mesmerized by the world of Sugars......

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Most of the top 100 list their age in their 30's. The ones I saw in my area's top 100 were definitely older than their stated age. Most lie about their age by 7-10 years. I don't see escorts who list their age under 25. From personal observation I'd say the ones listing their age as 28 are 35ish. The ones listing their ages at 33 are 40ish. If they list their age as 41, it means late 40's.  

How about all those TER reviews of the one time gals?  You know..those that find this isn't for them quickly.  Seems like many of those gals are U25.  And the ages that some guy may list can be anywhere between 18-25.

In college, while I wasn't having a lot of intercourse, I had a lot of hookups- guys just wanting me to go down on them or them wanting to go down on me. There was no money when I was in college to "date" endlessly, mostly drunken hookups or come over and "watch a movie,"which meant something sexual was going down. I didn't start aimlessly dating until later and realized it wasn't for me, I was too slutty to hold out, lol, so yeah if butterflies and anticipation of nothing gets you off keep trucking with the SB's. Sounds like you may be head over heels, but again it will always be an arrangement.

Yep..every college age woman just can't wait for some old fart to date her.  

So because of the fact that YOU throw out all hookers under 25, somehow you manage to conclude that the "average" age of a hooker is forty.

And honestly...if a guy couldn't get laid in college...good grief  LOL

It's not like he is insisting we all do it "his way"  

I only see the well reviewed girls. IOW 20 or more reviews and have been around a year or more. If you took all the ones who have just a few reviews or were "one or two month wonders" then I think the average age would go down.

I didn't comment that the OP hasn't gotten laid yet.

by your logic, unless a hooker advertises as eleven, there are no 18 year old hookers.

might be convoluted but i only see high ranked experienced escorts. Most advertise at 26 and up. I should have qualified the statement.

Everyone seems to be beating him up because he likes the "fantasy" of a "real GF" without paid several hundred dollars an hour for time that in his case is mainly "Non BCD" time.

and what's this about the psychiatrist's couch?

and then YOU decided to change the parameters to try to make your math work.

She would use this too...needs to stay in shape to get those 25 y/o guys to take her out where she really wants to go and have fun.  Maybe the OP can be the chauffeur?

During their most fertile years, AND I guess you think you are the only one they are having unprotected sex with?

I might give the right girl a couple of grand a month, but I bore easily and I doubt I would do it for long, but that's how a lot of guys play in the sugar bowl. They simply keep rotating the talent.

YOU have to take her shopping too.  That's the deal.

your post is too true!!

Most young SB's looking for an extra grand or two a month think that "Coach" is top line stuff.  

are you posting this here?
and under and alias?

i think the primary difference between providers and SBs is that although some providers will scream to the heavens that it isn't about sex, it is the primary focus in P4P relationships. On the other hand SB relationships can be sexual, but I think the bulk of the appeal lies in courtship. I don't think it's needy, but some guys just like to feel like they're 20 again, dating their college girlfriend. SBS are aware of this, so they make sure to play up that puppy love charm. Those photos and info they're asking for? It isn't just about connection. It's so she can google you and find additional info that you may not be willing to share. She wants to make sure those photos are actually of you and she wants to find out your position so she can estimate your salary and how much you can afford to pay her. It doesn't make one better than the other. Just business.  

It gets sort of boring being with the same person. It almost like having a 2nd wife. Stay away from the ones that have kids and/or have a boyfriend/ex boyfriend still in their lives. They are not always up front in disclosing the nature of relationships they are in. It is good that you set boundaries.  

One called my phone at 02:30 on a Saturday morning. It was a good thing I had her cell phone number on block. Another time she sent me a text with my wives name and address on it. She was trying to blackmail me back into a relationship.  

How did you find the SB's..

There is definitely something that changes your perspective... I have some friends in this business who like to travel a lot, and booking the vacations, with occasional get togethers, can get very expensive.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I feel similar to you. The hobby is great and the women are top notch. But, I sometimes want a bit more. Not much, but a little bit. It seems like SB may provide the balance.

If I were you I would wrap it up, especially with the SBs:

Can very dangerous when they get attached as a sugar babe (they consider it a girlfriend/boyfriend relationship), jealously gets involved.  The time commitment is enormous for a sugar babe arrangement.  For time efficiency sakes that provider arrangement is much better.  The costs of a sugar babe being cheaper is debatable.  Guys put themselves at high risks if they have a wife or so or at home.

Or especially those of several days, is that if the lady feels like she has to be "on" the whole time, the prices deservedly goes up.  

I couldnt do it. I need variety to keep my mind off of one person. That's one reason I think we can do this without getting attached or needy. So a guy can pay no attention to us, then book a date months later if he wants, while we get sexed up in the mean time.

The one I had offered BBFS, I declined. I decided to slowly end the relationship.

and retaining an attorney for any number of reasons.
p4p is best

Or since the OP says he's "only" late 40's even his granddaughter.

I can't believe you are trying to turn this into a "disease thread." We are both tested regularly. She's 26. The rates of VD per 100k among whites and Asians is much lower than your doomsday page.  I've never gotten anything in 8 years of doing the SB thing. I was in high school and college in the late 70's/early 80's sexual revolution. Nobody used condoms and I never got anything in that era and I was very sexually active. When I want disease info, I talk to research doctors who specialize in STIs. Most anything on the internet is suspect.

...avoid the SB scene!  Again, this is just me, but the reason I see a professional is to avoid all (or at least 98%) of this type of BS/drama... and risk.  

Yeah, especially your bullshit.

So off base. I have a real job and have many clients that I have an established connection with as much of a SB as u describe.  Of course, they are being nice to you and ready cater to ur every desire. at the end of the day they still want ur money and they will do this because they don't want to be called a hooker, escort - whatever the label is.  plain and simple. I personally think a SB is much more work.  Good luck to u.

Her 300 lb boyfriend seeing them both at the mall together. He might not realize she has a boyfriend at home.

just your bullshit in general. There is a big difference between sharing one's experience when asked and stomping around pretending to be an expert on everything because you did some shit in 1982. That's called being a douchebag, something most of us probably do on occasion but you seem to want to corner the market.

Hence, why I think this works way better.

It is what it is!

1.) The talent pool in the SB world is simply incredible! In my experience hobbying I've seen girls rated 9's and 10's consistently who, in my opinion, were more like 7's. There's a lot of grade inflation in the professional world. However, I've been in the Sugar world for3 weeks and the beauty of the ladies amazes me.  

Those who have been there and done that several times, can easily see that all this new attention and desire for validation, eh, "connection" is exciting when new and fresh. When that thin veneer coat comes off, the OP will probably find out that perhaps it was not all that great as it was initially promised or perceived.

And he's deluded trying to differentiate between pregnancy and STDs as a consequence of BBFS.  Both  are possible, but getting tested only helps after the fact.  It's not a panacea. And, of course, we all know BBFS is happening, under lots of different circumstances.  Personally, I'm a lot more concerned about STDs than pregnancy.

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Hopefully he will stay away from the MINE of subpenny stocks, lmfao.

"POT SB" means a sugar baby who likes to get high.

Besides, statistics are much more fun to pull out of the air.

You are the WRONG person to talk about belligerence and dumb asses.

Hanging out with an infected hooker, I see! LMAO!

This calls for a specialist in MSPD (multiple stupid personality disorder). I have called in The Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Stanford University. They are apprised of the situation. It's hard to treat on an internet basis. I want LR (2015 version) back. I'm tired of this L.Guapo/ L.Stinko personality. You have taken over her mind but she is strong enough to return.  

We are convinced your delusions result from SAD (Syphilitic Associative Disorder).  It occurs in the Tertiary Stage of the disease and would explain your combative grumpiness.

I was told by  the The Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Stanford University that I must expect a bellicose and recalcitrant attitude during the early stages of treating MSPD. Since LR has made an appearance there is some early progress. I will continue to do my best to normalize your mind. I am well aware that L.Guapo/L.Stinko will never admit to being LR. That is Ok. It's part of the illness.

And it ain't LR.  But keep living in the dark.  It's fun to watch.

But still wrong.  Here's a hint:  You are over-thinking this.

Pathetic.  And you are still really confused.  I already told you I was London.  I live inside her vajayjay. Have you ever seen one?

This has always been my contention. She has no reputation to protect. There might be random yahoogroups and other mailing lists, but there is nothing like TER for the sugar world. You take a higher risk.