Im debating given up hobbying even though Im new to it. ""Excuse my grammar in this debate my new keyboard is acting weird" Now lets debate prices.
Most decent looking girls charge from 150-300
$ per hour and you usual only get to finish once.

Now if I take a girl out to dinner 3 times
or take 3 girls out to dinner one time to increase my odds of getting laid, and each dinner ranged from 50-70 bucks. this means it will cost me between 150-210. now  the one chick
who sleeps with me will probably spend the night
or a few hours and I will get to finish  more than once.

so regualr chick 150-210 for several hours of sex
provider equals 150-300 for one hour. The regular chick you get cheaper sex per hour.

Now I would think that guaranteed sex from the provider which is not guranteed by the regular chick, because since providers charge they usually dont care about chemistry or attractions which gives the man/hobbyist more choices of woman

but in the hobby once you eliminate girls for prices, attractiveness outcall incall locations/accomodations,
TGBT, sexual limitations,police decoys, violent pimps. you have a smaller pool of girls for sex
out of a 20 ads i usually only end up with 3-5 possible girls to purchase for rent

If I hit on/date  20 woman even a guy like me is atleast gonna get 3-5 woman to say yes even if it just pity sex.

what you guys think

It's really not the same thing. Paying for sex has as much to do with the no-strings aspect as anything else. Also, you may look like Brad Pitt but I certainly don't.  I'm not a rock star and I'm not loaded either. That being said if $300 gets a really hot woman in my bed for an hour-a woman that wouldn't give me the time of day otherwise, I'm good with that.  I've been single for about 18 months now and I have yet to boink a civvie who is as good as beautiful or as good in the sack as my ATF...

LOL, I think the hobby has probably ruined me for civvie dating!

Do you know what site you're on???

WTF answers do you THINK you're going to get???
And most of these guys are married....LOL!

I've known some guys, due to their appearance, where the girls pay to go out with them. So, you have to factor in your appearance, and how honest you're going to be that the only reason you're taking the civic date out to dinner, is to get in her pants, and you have no intentions of getting to know each other, and develop a relationship. If you can't be honest, in that regard, your in for some headaches that would have been more cheaply avoided by seeing a provider.

This is why providers are so convenient. We are paying them to come over, but at the same time we are paying them to LEAVE. As they want to anyway when the fun is over.

Consider maintenance, legal, insurance, depreciation (That's a big one!) and you'll see that leasing makes much more sense than buying.

For many of us, depreciation begins after the first time we have sex. lol

I'm married to a woman who has given up on any physical relationship and I have no plans to contact a lawyer any time soon so I have no choice but to hobby if I want any kind of physical relationship with a woman.

Having said that, if I were separated or divorced I would be dating again without a doubt. I know of several woman who I believe would be more than willing to give it a go with me, some even with NSA, but only if I were not married.

I have had a few offers and opportunites in the civilian world over the past few years from home wreckers, but have stayed clear since I am not willing to have someone call my wife and spill the beans and then go down the divorce road, at least not at this point. Time will tell.

If I could find a married woman in the same place as I am in my marriage and she was willing to have an civilian NSA physical relationship I would do it, but good luck with that search.

Just the way I like it. Oh, and it's a sure thing

I might catch some flak for speaking the truth. Its happened before and it will happen again.
There are some  strippers available in every clty that will pay all your bills ..
Its called the sick puppy syndrome.
If you look and act sick enough, game is on.
Just make sure you stay dependent on her like a little dog, or game is over..
Not all by any means, but some strippers with the sick puppy syndrome are always available in a town near you.
Of course they usually have the rap and baggage that compliments their dog, so the correct answers are, providers are much less expensive if sanity is to be considered, and a animal shelter would be a much less expensive way, for a stripper to find herself a decent dog.

Don't forget to read the Reviews and YMMV but not drastically unless you act like a dog..

I understand the arguement for married men who dont want to deal with a potential divorce.

as far as renting vs owing and depreciation.

by dating i mean casual dating before the relatioship get serious im not talking about a long term relationship or marriage.

As far as depriciation how is that any different then hobbyist seeing the same provider over again

you guys have a point about the whole her leaving thing, but most regular chicks will leave in the moring especially young chicks that have career now a days. and isnt really bad having a half naked chick lying around

"Will your civie date GO HOME when you want?"

Not always, but your stripper date will usually show up when she wasn't invited.

So if you have to choose which world is best??
  Its all up to You

And P4P will NEVER fill your voice mail up if you don't call back in time..

...........this never ending appearance of fun hot girls and women who satisfy me.....have become a value compaired to most, even very good, civilian relationships I've been part of.





Oh, to be a wealthy man!

You can also act like a complete fucking pig. lol

Strippers seem to have the worst taste in men. I think it's a guilt thing for being in such a dishonest business. ie promising something they have no intention of providing. lol

I owned a condo comples in Dallas many years back, the goal was to flip the units, but the market was too bad to sell, so I ended up being a landlord. I had about thirty strippers as tenants and I swear virtually every one of them had some deadbeat, meth head, biker boyfriend that took every penny they made. It was one in a dozen that got to keep any money for themselves. It was actually kind of sad to watch.

I always preferred cocktail waitresses to strippers, they are by and large every bit as good looking and a lot less drama and maitenence.

Having secured dates (not sex, but dates) with literally hundreds of civie women ... I can unambiguously say yes, it is far less expensive.

But I do not think a per-sex-act comparison is reasonable. In civie life women (at least good ones) provide a helluva lot more than sex. A LOT more. And often things of incalculable value.

Many many providers here stress that what they provide is purely fantasy. I do NOT believe it is fantasy in all cases; but it is certainly fantasy in many if not most.

Comparing reality (civie gf) to fantasy (fantasy provider or even TV ladies) is stupid.

Either seems to be fine with most guys. In the hobby, if you choose one of those three "girls," hopefully you will get experience and enthusiasm, (or at least feigned enthusiasm). All of them are paid to go away and leave you alone until you call them to come back again. Most of them will do that, if you tell them that is what you want. You can taste as many ladies as you want, with no repercussion, as long as you are discreet and treat them all well.

If you choose one of those other twenty, or even five of the other twenty outside the hobby, you are probably going to get enthusiasm. With that enthusiasm will come a clingy desire to see you again. You will have to say "yes" a lot. You will have to say "I am sorry" a lot. You might have to buy presents, and clothing and take her out to eat.

Then there will be expectation of a ring or other expensive jewelry, a home, and a probably a car, depending upon the level of looks and f*ckability of the lady in question. Try telling your wife or girlfriend to go away and come back when you are horny or lonesome. How much do you value your family jewels? Oh, and speaking of family jewels, what do you think is going to happen when she finds out you've been f*cking the other nineteen girls too?

There are no bargains, and nothing in life is free. This from a former wife and girlfriend who has mended her errant ways. Of course, there is a positive side to it all. If you are not afraid of commitment, and if you really find a sweet lady, go for it. Otherwise, stick the best. We know how be the best temporary girlfriends.

That is the best thing about the hobby or casual affairs in the civial world, having a half naked woman around to hang around with. I love pillow talk and just being silly or having some laughs and grabing a bite to eat between rounds, it doesn't get any better than that.

Now if I had unlimited resources I would have a provider booked every weekend, find a few ATFs and make the rounds. Sounds pigish but honestly, if you had the money wouldn't you?

I book providers a lot more often than "every weekend" lol As I look at fifty in my rearview mirror, I have come to accept the fact that getting twenty somethings into my bed the old fashioned way is not going to be something I can do on a regular basis.

Now considering the fact that I have no intentions of lowering my standards, coupled with the fact that I get extrememly grumpy if I go without sex for more than a day or two, my choice is simple. I see at least a couple of providers a week, usually more.

I don't have unlimited resources, but I am happily divorced with no children which leaves me with plenty of disposable income. I can't think of a better way to spend it than having a constant parade of hotties coming through my bed. lol

If I ever had unlimited resources, the results would be downright scary. lmao

I have other things to do for which seeing a provider would be a poor substitute.

There are some wonderful ladies out there I truly enjoy, but there is a time and place for everything.

If I had an absolutely unlimited budget, my hobbying would change only slightly; and my choices not at all.

I've had women support me during periods of low employment and high self loathing and many marriages /relationships are very give and take, far more than many on this board would have you believe, but there is an element of control in p4p that cannot be understated. How much time you spend together, what does she look like, hell you can learn what she's like in bed before you even meet her, try doing that on a civie date!

In the end it's apples and oranges, a matter of personal preference, the two worlds are so different and, as many have noted, as you age you find you don't command the vast selection you used to when you were hot beefcake *sigh*

Interesting answer. What do you mean by
"if you act like a dog" and "sick puppy syndrome"

You sir, are the lone voice of reason on this one!

I have had more fun, met more beautiful women in the past year of hobbying than in the 15 years prior to that in the civvie world. I know a couple ladies now that I usually see quite often. No damn drama (or, if there is, I see them no more) like all the civvies seem to have. In my younger years I could try to set up several dates and hope to get lucky. Now, it's just a phone call to set up a time. No having to buy dinner, take her to a show, buy her flowers, take her home after and get a handshake or a thanks, but no thanks.

I'll stick with the hobby. They are great women all. (or, most of them, anyway!)

As a married guy my choices are limited when it comes to single women. I have been on sites such as aff. I lady got pissed and never saw me again when she found out I was married.

I saw another lady back in may from the same site, I still had to pay for the hotel room. Keep in mind she was a married women.

2 Other women have canceled dates because something came up in their family lives.

I have found that providers are more reliable than civies. You spend more effort in terms of time to get civies. You have to be in good shape and attractive for them to be interested in you.

You don't have to listen to the words "Do you love me", lol from a provider.

Good point about guys being married. Most of the time you don't have to worry about provider calling and asking to you come over in the middle of the night like a civie does.

I have found out that is very hard to see multiple civies on the side when married. Very easy to see up dates with multiple providers during different days of the week.

if it absolutely has to be there tomorrow.....FedEx!

If you absolutely want to get laid now......Hobby!


If you want a "romance" and somebody to iron your shirts.....Girlfriend

Paying for sex is cheaper.

pretty much exactly my situation

Dating, Marriage or P4P.....

get used to it....

On a bright note..
you know what to expect
She is not nagging you about ?? whatever it is
you have not sold your soul or lost your freedom.

when I was in the dating world.
I made my soon to be BF wait 3 months before he got anything other then a kiss and a lot of teasing... We still joke he could have come out cheaper if he had hired a escort...

hey, I don't know where you can entertain a woman you want to get into bed for $60-70., but if you can, more power  to you.Here's,in my opinion, why providers are more economical in the long run.

your date:               provider
 

flowers- $40             1 hr.- $250-300(w/tip)
parking- $25            
cocktails-$25
dinner-  $100
wine -   $ 40
theatre -$ 100
nite cap-$  25

total-   $ 355           total- $250-300

bottom line- u MIGHT    Bottom line- gaurenteed
have a happy ending    happy ending



final thought: for me the big plus is,   with a provider there are no drunk dialed  3 am nagging phone calls from a chick who's gonna kill herself if you don't come over.

We pay them to leave right afterwards!!  Big difference!

You ever wake up the next morning with a questionable date who stayed overnight and you let her cause you were too horny to say 'no'?  Then I rest my case!

I suspect it also depends on the desired end-game of your dating. If you're just looking for some NSA fun, then hobbying is the way to go financially and every other way known to man. As has been said here by others, it's a (relatively) sure thing. If your goal of dating is to find "the one", then by all means pursue that exclusive of hobbying.

YMMV. WIT

I would book someone each weekend for the entire weekend.

I think there is generational rift. I am in my mid 20's where alot of girls my age work and have their own money. so the cost of dating its not nearly is much as it use to be just a dinner and maybe a movie, and alot of new age woman split the dating cost 50/50 so alot of times depending on how attractive a guy is. he doesnt reallu have to pay.

and because of casual sex promoted by MTV alot of young girls have no problem having casual sex with NSA.

but i guess this whole debate deoends on how wold you are how attractive you are,and how much free sex one has access to.

Taylor you are correct about the cost component of dating vs hobbying, to be very much age-range related, but here is the caveat: How many "young ones" do actually need to hobby?! I mean, if you are in your 20's, then you should be able to get "some" rather easily among your own peers by way of casual hook-ups, without the need to resort to hobbying. Most hobbiests are married (not getting into the reasons as it has been discussed ad nauseam)and look for NSA encounters.  

I had just presumed that the OP was implying to an age range of 40 to 50, give or take a few on either side. Bottomline: if you are in this age-range and are seeking fun & NSA type of encounters, pony up the $$$ do your DD and have your fun by doing safe hobbying. Otherwise, if looking for stacking up on the emotional pile (or slide down the emotion's slope), go have a LTR and a real GF, if you have what it takes to attract women and keep them on an emotional level.

Relationships always end up in the gutter, so enjoy them while they are fresh

we were just having a similar conversation last week. i'll just link what i said there, it's even more on the money here.

-- Modified on 6/22/2010 2:38:55 PM

it all depends. Nothing is free. There are pluses and minus to both. You are just focusing on sex so lets just stay in that area. You just have to choice what factors are most important to you. I do both but one thing I like about the hobby is I do not break anyone heart and life is simplier in many ways. I have gone with one provider over two years over 50 times. I get more than one hour but we spent a lot of that time on dinner, talking about things. we know more about each over than many GFs. We talk outside of the work enviroment. It works well for me. For you  maybe not?