Wasn't the point of being Pre-screened so that you didn't have to share real name/ID? I just tried to set a in a few weeks to meet two new traveling ladies and both required real name confirmed by id.

If you still have to book through their site, be screened, and then produce ID.

I've been asked several times but have yet to give it to a single provider.

in Las Vegas where I was requesting an outcall to my hotel.  They asked me to text them a photo of my Drivers License.  I took a black marker and redacted everything except my photo and city and State, which was California and not Nevada.  They argued with me back and forth for awhile, but I just told them that if their sole purpose is to verify I'm not LOCAL law enforcement, then my city and state should prove that.  Take it or leave it.  They eventually caved in when I told them to forget it and I would try someone else.

been asked once and that was a girl trough an agency. Otherwise they never even ask my name.

Maybe when I first started years ago. Today if I read a website or an ad, an escort requires ID at the beginning of a session, I simply move on.

and even then, the gals there didn't do any extras anyways.   Maybe they just wanted me to think that they did.

It was a few years ago.  I had just started seeing p4p ladies and I had made an appointment with an agency. Part of the agreement for my first visit was showing my ID to the lady. I did and that was the end of the screening.  
I then joined P411 and that has never been asked again.  

But that's just because i don't need it to confirm who you are. I do need a real name and real number so eventually yeah you will have to give up a name.

..  it was a pretty common thing for ladies to ask for.  
Now with P411, provider references as well as whitelistings it is not as popular.

but my own experience is MUCH different.

A provider has the right to ask for employment info, home address, social security number, deposit, etc whatever she wishes. I don't second guess what ladies ask for for them to feel safe I just move on the next girl on my list that doesn't have those requirements.  

I have a Twitter account but my participation level & attention to it are sporadic, at best.  

The so-called "LE test" is a fraud and you should know that.  LE can and does do ANYTHING necessary to make a bust including exposing their junk.  The LE test has been debunked on this board for years and correctly so.  For you to come here and support it is unbelievably naive and puts all your advice in question.

and real name in addition to their P411 screening (what these ladies asked for) is the providers prerogative.  They also say that they don't recommend that hobbyists reveal their personal info so it is up to you to work it out if you can - a reasonable response in my view.

I'm willing to cooperate with reasonable screening requests, but I'm not going to send out pictures of my drivers license or passport without redaction. Might as well invite them to commit identity theft and run up some charge cards in my name. I am willing to show ID in a face-to-face situation, but nobody has requested that so far.

...you were doing just fine until your "show me the goods" section. This commonly called "LE check" is useless.

Now I am not going to claim anyone on this thread is either Fat, Dumb, or Stupid, but that movie quote just popped into my mind after reading her post. LMAO

This is kind of comical to me. I've hobbied since 1995 and have never been asked for ID and I've never asked a woman to prove she is who she really is.

The ID check is a quick eyeball to prove you are the same dude.  ID not to be scanned or photographed.  Only one girl has asked me, and as I was pulling out my ID she said "fine" before even looking.

That you and so many people on this board are shocked that many of us require real life information. Also suprised many of you have been getting through with fake names/info but hey we all have our way of doing things.

You're saying exactly the same thing as all the men here, just from a woman's perspective. Do you really think women are the only ones at risk? I've been hobbying since you were a baby. I've been the victim of cash and dash, I've been threatened by drivers who wanted me to pay when the woman from the ad showed up with missing teeth and I refused to let her in my front door. In my city, ive seen agencies go down and stings using women to trap johns.  

The fact of the matter is, very few providers actually ask for ID despite the attempts from those of you who do to convince us otherwise.  

but thanks.

Even P411 tells you not to hand out personal information or your account log in info so I wouldn't get too worried about it. In kind, I only use p411 and TER to play in this hobby and if any provider doesn't have a p411 account, don't have TER reviews, I won't even contact them. I pay a yearly fee and pay quarterly for my TER VIP membership. Basically, I'm invested in the sites (my safety net) that help me find, research and verify the women I want to see. If they are outside my world, if I have to go outside my paid support sites to locate and verify an escort, then I don't see them. These women are invisible to me.  

I see your references there, and can easily contact them.  That's really all your P411 membership is to me: references.  
The same goes for reviews & whitelists; I see them as a list of your references, which often makes it much easier for me to contact them.

I don't feel obligated to pay a third party to make your job easier.

but I've seen plenty of women ask for ID.

You can go back years and years right here on TER to see girls advocating ID checks and some quite passionately and loudly.  

I try to keep a couple of dozen relatively recent okays on P 411 and any provider is more than welcome to contact any/everyone of them if she likes, but I pay P 411 to make MY life easier, not the women I pay hundreds of dollars an hour to.  If a provider expects me to "work" in order to see her I simply move on to the next woman on my "to do list" There is absolutely no shortage of women perfectly happy to accept P 411 as screening without asking me to jump through any additional hoops before accepting my money.

For P411 members with at least a couple recent Okays, all I require in addition to that is your name and then ID when we meet.  If that is uncomfortable for someone, then I'd love it if they'd follow your example and simply move on to the next provider.    

and quite honestly, speaking strictly for myself, not guys with something to lose, I am actually fine with your requirements (demands. lol) as what you request takes no real effort on my part. OTOH, if a woman expects me to put any effort into it, or basically have to "apply for an appointment" that usually means she puts a higher value on her time than mine and that sends up all sorts of red flags for me.

Amen. All I hear from the women fighting this is me, me, me. How are we supposed to know who YOU are? Who are we talking to in these e mail messages? A pimp? LE who is using your profile as bait? An angry boyfriend who found your phone? How do we know the woman we are trying to set up a date with doesn't have a criminal history? Because some do! All of us are trying our best to discretely vet the other to the best of our ability with out each other giving up our real names or putting us in a bad situation. If you think for a minute I would ever hand over my personal info to an anonymous prostitute in a hotel or thru E mail or something your nuts. As much as you don't want to be stalked or killed, I don't want to be blackmailed or rolled, or killed by you either.

I don't know that I'm exactly "high-profile" but I'm hardly UTR either.  However, I have very few Twitter followers compared to those whom I've noticed advocating this requirement.  
I also do not advise anyone to do any particular type of screening other than to always follow your own instincts and do what makes YOU comfortable.  That's it, that's all.  

A few years ago, the AMPs in NYC were jittery about some increased LE activity. Even though they knew me and my phone number, I got to the door and was asked to show id. I held it in my hand with my thumb covering everything personal except for my picture.  All she wanted to see was whether or not it was a NY State or out of state license or ID. (LE from out of state has zero jurisdiction in NY so they were less concerned. A NYS ID got a few more questions before the door opened all the way.)

With out question I would see another woman if I was uncomfortable. That's goes without saying. You're preaching to the quire directing that response to me. In my posts, I'm not attacking women's methods of screening, I'm sticking up for the OPs (and any mans) right To stay anonymous for their own safety, encouraging them to use a verification site and sticking with women who use the site, which verifies me once, not over and over, and have recent references by providers who are comfortable with and who use references from m other providers.  

Posted By: Debra_Hollander

Re: This site is a useful tool for screening ladies, is it not?

Posted By: Allstar

Re: I agree that a P 411 profile is a "collection of references"  
 Amen. All I hear from the women fighting this is me, me, me. How are we supposed to know who YOU are? Who are we talking to in these e mail messages? A pimp? LE who is using your profile as bait? An angry boyfriend who found your phone? How do we know the woman we are trying to set up a date with doesn't have a criminal history? Because some do!

You can research us here and on other sites.  Stick with established ladies.  
  Ask to speak to her on the phone.  She may or may not comply.      
   
 But the long and short of it is this: if you're not comfy with any particular thing, walk away and see someone else.    
   
 In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing wrong with clients wishing to remain anonymous OR providers asking for an emailed scan of your driver's license.  (I personally don't require that, btw, but some go ahead and do it without being asked!)  
   
 The gentlemen who give out all their info are certainly putting themselves at risk, just as are the ladies who don't do any screening at all, and there are plenty of each group and lots more in between.  
 Do what works for you, period.    
   
 We all get to set out own boundaries... then everyone else decides whether or not they want to play within them.

What a request for ID does is make sure I instantly move on to the next option. I am not crazy, and I am not going to accede to absolutely dangerous (for me) demands.

Too many things can go wrong, too much opportunity for bad outcomes. I have only been asked a couple of times during screening.  I told them I would give them the name by which I was known to providers so they could screen successfully. One accepted, one declined. Never had it happen at walk-in. If it had, I would have walked out on the session. Never had it happen with well-known providers.

...once again you open mouth, insert massive foot.  

in this industry. Looking at this thread you'd think everyone is against sharing real names and IDs. That no one is doing it. That asking for it while scare everyone away. That any guy willing to share it is a lunatic and has nothing to lose.

Just because they ask for it does not mean the guy will give it. Best of all on the internet it's easy to create a fake identity (takes about six months to a year)  that will pass muster no matter how well the girl checks it out. Driver's licenses that will get past anybody except the police are easy to obtain.  

In 30 years of mongering, I can only recall two providers asking for my ID.  My reaction was "I'll show you my drivers license if you show me yours."   Needless to say, that didn't happen, which shows just how absurd the request is.

Here's how I do it:  I require your real name, screen you via that, and then I need to see your ID to prove to me you're the person I verified and agreed to meet.

I agree that the whole thing is "ridiculous."  No, I don't actually know who "you" are because you post a photo on the internet with the name "Debra Hollander" on it -- any more than you know who I actually am because I send you a piece of fake ID with the name "LittleBigMan15" on it.  That does exactly zero to tell either of us who the other is: it just adds to our photo collections.  It's like buying a second copy of the morning newspaper to verify that what the first copy said is true.

Real name and ID are a "small, but vocal fraction of clients"?  Most who have commented here say that this approach is rare.

You just want to make sure that the name matches the picture. Correct?

You give me your name prior to meeting.  I don't require ID in advance.

I want to be sure that the name you've given me is what is on your government-issued ID AND the picture on it matches the person standing in front of me.

Don't listen to this woman Debra Hollander (or what ever her name is). Ever heard of a honey trap? Thats what they call women who lure men back to a hotel, or accompany a man home from a bar and rob him with the help of her friends. In Las Vegas, there are women called Trick rollers who pose as prostitutes and work men in the casinos. These women drug men using eye drops in a drink once he takes her back to his room. You will wake up hours later and realize you have been robbed and if the lady uses too many drops, you can die. If these crooks ever got your address, you could be robbed at your home. Criminals love jewelry, cash, guns, cars, etc. In these cases, men are afraid to come forward and report the crimes, because it is not only embarrassing, but can ruin a marriage, or a career if it was known the man was cheating or seeking to hire a prostitute. When I grew up in the inner city, I knew someone I worked with who had these "friends" that would show up at someones house with a moving truck and overalls that looked like a uniform. While the mark was at work, they emptied the house. No one said anything because it was the middle of the day and the neighbors were at work and it looked like the owners were moving and hired a service to do so.  

Honestly who cares? Ive used employment verification. If you do not like the provider's requirements then you are not required to see her. Move along.. No one is impressed with the incessant dick waggling back and forth or the vaginas flapping back and forth arguing about something as stupid as what a woman requires. When i started this hobby, it was better to respect what a woman says than to bitch about her standards since they are what makes this hobby even exist. Otherwise us dudes would be paying ourselves to jack off.

That you will require him showing ID?  Or do you wait until he arrives before mentioning that?

I allways prescreen, TER Membership, handle,reviews, and  or, member other prescreened membership sites, and or, escort reference, they have seen, vouch for them. .working together as a team..KISS.    Simple.
Allways works for me...Xoxo

Not only do I mention that in my confirmation, it's all over my website and in many of my ads.  

Having my business name and website, is more valuable to a client than my real name will ever be.

I've only been asked at massage parlors in Los Angeles.  Think there is a city law requiring they record the name and number to scare off customers who ask for extras.  I usually write my name down incorrectly myself and cover most of the DL number with a finger while quickly waving it at the Mamasan.

Bullshit! This hobby exists because the men have something that the girls need (money) whereas the girls are  selling a "want" not a NEED!

Good reviews don't indicate good character. They tell what a girl will do with a guy, and how well he thinks she does it (we've all been over the unsavory things that may or may not play into review scores). I'd even go so far as to predict that any guy who bases reputability solely on reviews is in for an unpleasant surprise at some point (if he hobbies w/enough frequency).

for an ID until recently.  That said, as I have moved "upmarket" it has happened 3 times.  All 3 of the ladies had similar profiles and TER ratings of at least 9.5.  By contrast, I have never had a lady rated below a 9.5 ask me for an ID if I provided her with stellar references.  Overall, I suspect that 99% of the ladies don't have an ID requirement.    

given this information out once and I haven't regretted it. It has paid off in dividends to meet and continue to meet such an amazing person.

I have on my web-site under screening to be prepared to show ID. I have yet to ever ask for one. Im more concerned about HOW you are, than WHO you are.  I just put it up so the creeps will think, and rightly so that I am strict with screening. Usually the men that come my way are so forthcoming with either references or P411 or I can access what they do for a living. There are only two things I care about. That you don't work for LE and if you are safe  and a gentleman. I read about guys being all uppity about letting us know who you are. The ONLY reason we care is to protect ourselves from LE or getting hurt. Wait, I did ask for ID once from a European guy that I could not find ANY info on.  He happily supplied it to reassure me prior to meeting him. I have some guys have their IDs out but I barely glance at it. I feel if your forthcoming then your not trying to hide anything.  Its a vibe and trust thing.  If a guy does not want to give me ANY info or references then I am suspicious and DNS. As far as guys complaining about the fact that we are all under stage names. As far as I see it, my online working persona IS MY IDENTITY . My name is my brand and my reputation and business are based on it. If I were in any way shady, I would be flamed on the boards. Our business persona is very public for you all to review and analyze. That is YOUR safety measure.  

I don't understand your fears Jack. Doing anything detrimental  to a client is bad for business. Any reputable provider is NEVER going to affect your personal life and make you lose anything.  We are here for your pleasure.  The money is a contract that you bought a NO STRINGS attached and NO DRAMA experience.  At least thats the way I see it. I don't want any part of your personal life or wifey.  I don't care WHO you are, as much as I care HOW you are.  How WE ARE is very public in the form of our reviews. If a man means to do me harm, I'd like to weed him out by screening. Check out the poll on the cover page of TER, our biggest priority even above and beyond the money is that a man has great screening info and is forthcoming with it. Please consider our position in this, we are much more vulnerable than you to any potential harm. If I can't screen you then I DONT need the money that bad- EVER!  I would be suspicious of a provider who didn't screen, and so should you!
 However, Ive never had a bad experience with the men of whom I knew at least their real name, and what line of work they were in before I saw them. If they didn't want to give that out then they were TER whitelisted and/or on P411 with numerous OK's , then its green lights- lets go. I'll call you by any name you give me.
XO
Erica

The thread was about girls who want real life info even if the guy has references. Many "reputable" girls are living on the edge in more ways than one. Over the last decade I've seen way too many "reputable" girls become "disreputable" over bad reviews, NCNS or just because the guy thought they were not "all that."

The very fact that P411 makes it easier for providers also makes it easier for clients. So you're paying a third party to make your lobbying easier.  

What if I have a really common name? There were 1,000 in my high school graduating class, and two of us had the same first name/last name. My college dorm had about 1,100 residents, and two of us had the same name. Many people that I have met over the years have known someone else with my name. I just googled myself and got 138,000,000 results, including a basketball player and a musician. That's not my fault, I just have unimaginative parents.

We are able to narrow out those results with other info, like your email address or phone number, or by knowing generally where you live- there may be 600k John smiths on Facebook,  but only one in Iowa who works at Smith Corn Farming

Grace, that makes sense. When asked, I have been willing to give real world info to established providers.  I even appreciate that they are willing to make the extra effort. I have talked to others who were quick to break off communication if I didn't meet one specific criteria. For example, if I gave two references and she couldn't get ahold of one of them, she should have asked me for another reference instead of just saying no.

If the references are good then that's all they should need. If ever they are unsure about those references then they just shouldn't book the appointment

You can't deny it hasn't happened, and it's happened with women with previously stellar reputations, some of those reputations of course were ill gotten by means of extortion and blackmail, or threatened blackmail because of the information these women have gleaned about their clientele over several years of being in the business.

I've been mongering for close to thirty years and I have never been asked for an ID.  And I will never provide one.  Guess I'll never be seeing Debra.

Ok, so show us some of those posts, I find that interesting??????

You are a COMPLETE unknown making your very first post under this alias and quite frankly if you find this "interesting" you can look it up for yourself. Your opinion isn't important enough to me to do any work just to satisfy your curiosity.

Just looking for enlightment, but much as I thought

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I did not read all the posts (so many) so forgive me if I repeat something already mentioned.

...is it as simple as that, FYI.  If not, and she books the incall/outcall, and only upon meeting face to face does she require ID, different story, as I hope you agree

The market is a want for a want.  Money is not a need, it is a means to an end that fulfills needs.  There's a zillion different causes of death on a coroners report, lack of money is not one of them.

As I think back to entering this hobby, I would not have given info even to p411.  I trust them for the most part but one can give two verified providers to get in P411. That's the way I would enter today!
There is a girl that comes to my city often, I tried to see her but she wanted full disclosure of my info.  I said no, then she did also..  we were at a stalemate.That is fine. Lots of other peeps.
I have many 411okays, about half the ladies never look at my profile.  I guess they see the number of plays and figure that's good enough.

Talk about embarrassing---holy s&^t!! Thankfully, she showed around lunchtime when a lot of people were out of the office---I whisked her a$$ out the door QUICK!! (From that point onward I vowed never to reveal personal info--the need for safety and discretion works both ways!!)

Omg Debra,

Can't be screened via TER, P411, or other trusted providers.

I know it must happen and it will someday for me. I have not had even of my girls ask for an ID once. On my third date I asked are you going to ID she said no. I think it needs to happen more often if it is not, just to make sure everything is on the upside.