I just read an article discussing the topic of rage, including on-line anger.  It made me about some of the behavior I see here: Arguments that continue until the thread is down to one-word columns; bitter personal attacks; hypertrollism and an overweening desire to be "right" and have the last word; bitterness.  

It's the big fish in a small pond syndrome. The worst offenders have been on this forum for years. They've annointed themselves the forum overlords.

over the years, I can say with confidence that it's the guys that come here and take this business too seriously that suck the fun out of being here, which as you note, leads to some heated debate.  If everyone was light-hearted, willing to chuckle at things they and others often say which is often unintendedly humorous, everyone would get along fine.  I start each day with a clean slate, then someone launches an ad hominem attack or some petty past grievance, and I will often mock them for my own amusement.  I don't take myself seriously and look for humor wherever I can find it.  Unfortunately, there are some here who are so fucking serious about everything, I wouldn't be surprised if they are on blood-pressure meds.  Lol

This post was directed at YOU. Read the room, pal. And no, adding "LOL" to a post does not magically make it funny or lighthearted. Do us all a favor and take your own advice.

To me, p4p is one of the greatest innovations, especially in the internet age where we can get so much more info about a provider. It is a lifestyle that brings me incredible joy and uplifts me. Having sex with hot, young women is a total fantasy at my age and I have been so fortunate with the women I meet in a year in and year out basis.
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That said, for the life of me, I cant understand why guys here come looking for the slightest defect in a provider and mock her over it. Why do some obsessively mention a providers rules or etiquette? Why do some nit pick every little thing they don't like? Is it mental illness maybe? Were they raised poorly? Misogyny? Are they just mean individuals? Is it insecurity, that some guys here show virtually every day?
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Maybe it's one of the above or a combination in some cases. Not fully sure. And I would agree with the fact that we all make mistakes at times. I know I do. I reassess my posts and the tone of them all the time but still wish I had a post back here and there. And yet there are a handful of guys here who can never concede a point or admit that they ever do anything wrong. What we usually get is a very long winded, insecure, inane defense of what they do while pointing to everyone else as the problem as they could never, ever be at fault.  
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The truth is there is something truly awesome about this lifestyle, and the women who provide those incredible memories, and yet there is always a small group that wants to complain and whine about it/them. It's like someone buying you a band new Maserati and the complain that the floor liners aren't their preferred color. smh

where the inhabitants fling their poo at each other. It's always been that way and probably always will.

to know that when someone begins with, "I'm sure I've been guilty of some bad behavior here and there . . . ", it is classic passive-aggression.  He sets a false narrative that minimizes and discounts his own bad behavior as justified because he contends others are far worse than him, when in reality, he makes more ad hominem attacks against other people he disagrees with than anyone else here, and not just to me.  Go through and count them.  I'm surprised a provider with your experience would fall for this bullshit.    Yesterday, he jumped on Drebin out of the blue just because Drebin disagreed with him.  Attacking THOUGHTS or IDEAS is called debate.  Making the attack personal is assholery.  I know the difference, so I reserve assholery for those that personally attack me first.  

saying OTHER people give long-winded responses?  Over the last few days, you have posted several rambling, whiny diatribes.  Putting your personal attacks in the form of questions is passive-aggressive, but it's still an ad hominem attack just the same.  It makes you no different than the people of whom the OP speaks.  You are a complete failure pretending to take the moral high ground.  

Posting you may have told me something up to 20 times is certainly proof of that.

Or misogyny. Lol.

I am thankful for providers who are honest, do their job well, and don't practice questionable practices. Providers who don't buy reviews, providers who don't have "friends and fam" reviews, providers who don't doxx clients for writing a mediocre review, and so forth.  

Is it because your argument is so weak it can't stand up to my entire thoughts on this issue? I specifically listed 5 possibilities (go back and look) and yet you only mentioned mental illness and misogyny. Hmmm...that is called a "tell" and is showing your insecurity. I also go on to say I don't know for sure why certain people post the way they do or as often as they do.  
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That said, I certainly cant rule out some type of mental disorder as it goes to your incredibly obsessive posts re: the same topic day after day. Someone offered up you may be on the spectrum. It was mere speculation but certainly possible. Obsession can be a sign of some sort of mental issue but not necessarily so. You do seem to take it to an extreme I have never witnessed here before.  
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You are being too cute by half when you say :  
"I thought this site was for a discussion and evaluation of providers, their pros, cons (yes there are cons for providers just like there are cons in any reviewable product or service), their practices and so forth."
Well of course it is and I don't think anyone here has any issue with you representing the far, pro-client POV wing.  
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The reason you get SO much flack here from SO many people, again, is due to your obsession with the topic. You have this view as you are some sort of "champion of the consumer" and yet VERY few "consumers" here ever really side with you. Let that sink in for a bit. The very people you are trying to protect are pushing back AGAINST you. That would give virtually anyone, thinking rationally of course, pause, and yet you go right back to be totally obsessed about the topic in the next thread or next day.

I dont think it was out of context. The other things you listed aren't much better. Critizing and nitpicking doesn't mean someone is raised poorly or is being mean. Cynicim, skepticism and criticism doesn't correlate with any of those.  

It is a matter of degree, would be my response. If someone is being critical of providers day in and day out, 24/7, (yes, an exaggeration lol) that can certainly be viewed as misogynistic, mean or be due to some sort of mental condition, based on word choice, tone, etc. Facts and details matter, right?
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Let me give you an analogy of my take of how people view you. To many here, it is like you walking into a house with no heat in the winter with your family or friends. It is 52 degrees in the house. You then put the thermostat on 82. When it becomes, say mid 70s in the house, and people start to complain that it's too hot you tell them that they are wrong. See the point now?
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So your consumer rights advocacy isn't really the issue. There is certainly a case to be made against SOME providers on SOME issues. They are human after all. They are not perfect and never will be. The problem comes in when people on this board feel you are metaphorically "turning up the heat" to an extreme level re: your obsessive and over the top consumer advocacy. Then when the group tells you it's "too hot" you respond, with "no, it's not." THAT'S the problem. And that cycle repeats itself over and over and over.

So it's a matter of both frequency and intensity?

so everyone knows exactly what you are referring to.  When you make a general statement without any context, you will only get a few likes from the retards because they don't know any better.  If you want to claim there are lies in my post, then point them out and let's debate it.  

that putting your personal attacks in the form of questions is anything other than passive-aggression.  I'll take the Win on that.  At the same time, you showed you are not bright enough to understand the "3 to 20" times reference.  I did not say "up to 20".  You made that up in a lame attempt at damage control.  Thanks for the twofer in the "win" column for me. You just keep shooting yourself in the foot, don't you?  Lol

Comrades, this was not directed at any individual here.  
Call it my testimony (in the sense of one who has had a religious conversion--to the church of sin and debauchery).

They probably think this thread is about them....lol

I was gonna ask if you wanted to do an over-under for how many days it would take for guys to flame into single letter sub threads on here but I think you defused things with this post

you got nothing.  Smart to quit while you are behind.  It could only get worse.  Lol

Keep picking up those W's at this rate you'll be the #1 seed in the TER Playoffs!

I think we may need a new board bully. CDL is too easy to best lately. Hopefully someone else will step up, who actually has game while not having an uncomfortable relationship with the truth.

Your passive-aggression has been exposed, so you are trying to show up as the bully that you claim others are, thinking it will make you look more manly.  Talk about a complete fail!!!  Are you just disgusted that your claim to fame is being the board simp, so now you want to TRY to be a man at this late stage of your life?  That's why your white-knighting for Zeel is so awkward, but I can't fault you for recognizing a guy who is way out of his league.  Give him a reach-around and there is no telling how he will reciprocate.  If you think you are besting anyone, you are sorely mistaken, but I have to smile at your misplaced chutzpah.  Your testicles are finally descending.  Lol

And now … sure didn’t last long  
Note to the peanut gallery: This is why we can’t have nice things 😂

Does this happen often? lol
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And of course you have to resort to your totally predictable form with the "I'm not the bully, you are" tirade, just I have predicted many times. I guess the hope you will ever move off your 12 year old posting style is gone. Ok, recess is almost over. Get back to class son as I have schooled you enough for one day.

The feuds have spilled over into this thread.

Somewhat ironically Carly's song WAS about a specific person.

But I seriously doubt he’ll admit it

Wait, woooooah! When it comes to what the women get it's a "Few pieces of paper", but when you mentioned men, you said "Hard earned pieces of paper" For the women, it's  earned as well. I think sometimes people have NO idea how much goes into what we do, before & after a client arrives. What we do to take care of ourselves. Get things personalized for "Just you" if we know you. The time we spend on the computer to earn a living. For me, that hour is the easy part. And for those girl that travel to your clients, God bless you. That's a lot. There is literally no time for family or recreation in this life. We have to be careful who we socialize with. We are basically living a double life, not just sneaking away for a little bit. It's our existance. I realize there's some that just do it part time. For me, this is full time & I am doing something pertaining to my "Fantasy Suite" from the time my eyes open, til right before they close. Weeding people out & deciding who is ok is tough. I know y'all are scared, but, so are we. I've had many people get mad that they have to leave a voicemail. I don't book via Joe blow text. I do it for NO other reason than to let my 6th sense feel that this man isn't rude, isn't harsh sounding, doesn't throw a red flag for my safety & is fully aware of why he called me. No guessing games. I mean, I love what I do, & I am not complaining. This can get mental too. That's the hard part. If you are one of my clients, you know I am a genuinely nice person. But things happen that shake us to the core. I have actually been BITTEN before like a PIT BULL, out of nowhere. Was this a bad guy? No, he wasn't. He did something he shouldn't have. I was bruised with marks for 2 weeks. We go through a lot, please give us credit. It is very hard earned money. That being said, YES! We all need to spread happiness, I try to everyday. I literally hope I make someone's WEEK when they come see me. I've been the victim of petty bad reviews too that were complete lies. Wrong "name" associated with me, wrong "Area" I worked in at one time, LIED about my body & my handiwork,  my pictures, just completely disgusting. LOL. The whole 9.  They've got to be miserable. People BELIEVED it.  If you don't like someone,  or you went for the wrong reason, just move on. If someone eats, breathes & sleeps to lie about me, that's not someone that didn't like me. That is coming from HATE. I promise you. I have never had a client HATE me.  This was personal. Spiteful. I mean, did I hurt their business?? I know there's gonna be an idiot here & there, all butthurt b/c I chose not to book them, or won't book them again. Or mad b/c they provide services near me. I worked for a jerk. I mean, it could be anything. But why be so mean? People need to chill. Be kind. We are here for a short time, we all deal with a ton.  If someone comes to me & is rude, I simply won't see them again. If they are rude when booking,  we are done. I don't get the "Mean" thing, b/c  that's not in my soul. Now, I can take up for myself for sure & stand my ground. Point is, after I wrote a book (my other hobby), It's all hard earned. People are just wanting to have fun, step away from the "world" and breathe. Let's all try to be a little nicer to people & guarantee we will be happier living like that. I actually think I'm going to put part of this on a blog on my website. YAY!

unfortunately, all of the "seed" I had on hand went into a provider last night.   Lol

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To be fair, on both sides, saying they are hard earned is presumptious because not all clients nor providers put in the same amount of work for the money they make. I'm sure some men bust their asses on their job and it's hard earned. But some sit behind a desk, answer a few calls, and spend hours goofing around on their computers. An independent provider who does it all, likely works very hard. Keeping up with emails, texts, screening, beauty needs, etc... takes its toll. A provider who works for an agency certainly doesn't work as hard as the independent provider. And, in all cases, the hardest workers typically are the ones who stay on top of their tasks. There is certainly a difference between having a task and completing it. While someone might be stressed and overwhelmed by their failure to keep up, these emotions should not be confused with hard working. Anyway, good on you to call out the slight variance in wording. Hopefully, that was not the OPs intent.

Zeel can't spell grade-school words?      If you go back to continuation school, they will teach you the difference between white-knighting and white-nighting.  Have you ever heard of anyone jousting with the Black Night?  You have a unique gift to make yourself look stupid without any help from me.  Lol

Yes, you are right about the work ethics. My daddy raised me to work hard & put your soul into it. I don't think he was talking about what I do now though, lol. Yeah. I worked for a place & didn't have the weight of screening, advertising, etc. Just show up. But, it's worth the freedom I have now, it was like a prison there. Probably the dark soul whose life I've apparently consumed. I'm not dwelling on that. Karma. Glad you brought that to my attention, I forget there really are people out there that don't put their all into it. Well, Here's to HAPPIER World, I hope!

No providers here has said they have seen them.  Maybe you should reach down there and see if you have a pair.   I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that they might finally be descending like they do for most guys during puberty.  Late to the party is better than not showing up at all.  Sorry, but when you tee it up like this, I'm going to swing.  Lol

When I called you out on your spelling & grammar for your post below on another thread, you didn't respond to your offense.  You knew it was indefensible so didn't respond.  So, is there a double standard here?  You can lay into someone for a typo or misspelling but of course you are guilty of the same "grade-school words" that you accuse others of.  You are such a hypocrite. lol  

If you're going to criticize someone at least get it right.
Now cue up your shattering defense.

spell white-nighting correctly.  A hyphenated word appears in place of a single word, so you can't remove one of the two words and then say, "part of the word was spelled correctly, so it's not wrong."    I would ask you to describe the meaning of the hyphenated word "white-nighting," and use it in a sentence.  (A KKK rally?  Lol)  Ask Conan to explain it to you, since he was obviously still asleep when you posted this.  The funny part is that Zeel is so stupid he bought into your explanation.  If you are going to criticize someone, at least get it right.  Lol

You seem obsessed with me.  Seven out of your eleven posts on this board for 2024 are about me or addressed to me.  I recognize your alias as one with no reviews (although I think you once claimed to have 50) and your big claim to fame is that you were the jerk-off king of the over-60 board.  Am I right?  Although, when I re-read it and saw that you jack off BEFORE you go see a provider, I figured out you were a premature ejaculator.  I would think providers would be standing in line to see you.   You're very patriotic . . . . a Minuteman.  Lol

When I went down south to visit my friends I got drunk on white-lightning

Your argument is quite simply wrong. But Conan has more important things to do at the moment and won’t bother to explain it to you.
Please stay away from grammar

Once again you deflect from the point of the post and don't address it.  What are you afraid of?  Don't like showing your weakness?  Well, it is obvious to see from all that you are weak. lol

the next morning comes way too fast.  Lol

whether it is open, closed or hyphenated, it is still a compound word, which is two words that mean something else combined to mean something entirely different.  For example, double and play are unrelated, but put them together, and you have double-play, an intended baseball term that most people know.  When you put white and nighting together, it's nonsensical.  In fact, when I just wrote "nighting", spellcheck wanted to change it to "knighting."  Tell Conan he should not double-down without knowing what he's talking about.  Does he need links to English language authorities?  

no such compound word as "white-nighting", so all of your excuses and deflections do not make you any less stupid, just more desperate.   Sometimes you just need to take the "L" and move on.   Lol

Do you see the irony in not responding to any of MY points and then calling me out for not responding to yours.  I think mine are much more interesting.  At least you don't make any attempt to claim you are NOT a premature ejaculator, or that you are the self-proclaimed jerk-off king on the over-60 board, so I will accept your complete surrender on those two points. You do realize that with each successive obsessive post to me, you are increasing the percentage of posts that prove your obsession with me, right?   Is it because no one else will talk to you because you have little to say of any value to anyone else?  (Another thing I noticed on the other boards you post on . . . .  very few TER members will engage with you.)

Right on.  
No LOL from me on this one.

Why do you always answer a question with a question???  lol

Here's a link to just one of them but there are plenty more. Conan says shut up.
Also man up and take the L.

Looks like the single letter thread line is gonna happen again.....Inicky,   Zeel and CDL one of them could make it happen today.  As an aside anyone keeping count for the record for the worlds all time longest angry or flame war siinle post?

"single" post

that you don't have any answers.   You have 50 reviews that no one has ever seen, and you're ad admitted premature ejaculator.  What else do you know about in the P4P scene from your own experience, not what you have read here from real mongers who know what they are talking about.  

There you go obfuscating again!  Talk about a man with no answers.   In ad nauseum you keep on repeating the same damn thing about what you think about me but just cannot stay on topic.  

but you don't like the answer, so you lie and say I didn't answer.  What a tool.  We don't get may jerk-off kings and premature ejaculators here, so I'm trying to pretend you mean something here, since few others will even engage with you, but you're making it difficult.  

You're the only one making it difficult.  If you would only read the posts indicating so.  I've had one person tell me I'm difficult.... you.  You'd need a supercomputer to calculate the amount of people who find you difficult.  

Well it happened tonight.  FlaNoName came out of nowhere and completed the single letter flame war post on a subthread here......another one for the ter record books.  

With an intense UV lamp, you can bleach colored stains from your laundry. It's called light whitening ... or, in this instance, light-whitening.

Apparently you are not that thankful enough. If you are expecting sex for free. No Provider is that damn stupid to give sex for free. We get the pleasure and the money since y'all (MEN) want to fuck us whenever you want. Y'all are fucked up in the head thinking that we fuck for free.  We (The Providers) do this for money.