Alot of information was going through the loops earlier with a fetish on "red tides" and that time of the month. Having worked extensively with the CDC for many years I am just gonna smack this here and let ya'll read through it and make your own choices with your partners about protection. Its better to be well informed than make one costly misconception. What we do is a risk no matter what unfortunately. We just need to be as safe as we can and enjoy the hell outta it.

Source Link : Center For Disease Control National Website http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq1.htm
These body fluids have been proven to spread HIV:
blood
semen
vaginal fluid
breast milk
other body fluids containing blood

These are additional body fluids that may transmit the virus that health care workers may come into contact with:
cerebrospinal fluid surrounding the brain and the spinal cord
synovial fluid surrounding bone joints
amniotic fluid surrounding a fetus

-- Modified on 11/12/2003 4:31:28 PM

In fact, Saliva is known to kill the HIV virus if there is sufficient contact.  The key point is that in order for HIV to be transmitted, one of the fluids listed in the prior post from the transmitter, must come in contact with one of those fluids which belong to the Recipient.  So, for example, Semen which comes in contact with blood, or with vaginal fluid, can transmit the disease.  But one of those fluids JUST coming in contact with Saliva will NOT.  

The point of all this is the risk associated with either BBBJ or DATY is quite small, and in fact, it requires that the person who's mouth is involved, needs to have some areas where blood contact is possible (such as cuts or open sores or bleeding gums), in order for HIV to be transmitted in during oral contact.

Again, the point is that there is a risk regardless if it is small or not. For every action, there is a chain reaction if it is a negative or a positive. Lets not assume that just because a person does bbbj or to tc that she is not at risk, for she is (even if small).

"cerebrospinal fluid surrounding the brain and the spinal cord"

We knew that George-Romero-style zombies engaged in risky behavior, but even if you upgrade to the more specialized "Return of the Living Dead" style brain-eating zombie, it's still not safe.  Sorry, dude.

You could also have a condom break during "SAFE" sex.  In fact, I am quite certain that the risk of HIV transmission during sex WITH a condom (due to condom failure), is GREATER than the risk of HIV transmission from a BBBJ.  

The point is, NOTHING in life is 100% risk free.  But MANY things have risk factors that are somewhere between MINISCULE and INFINITESSIMAL on a statistical basis.  We still need to go out and live are lives, hopefully making prudent risk/reward tradeoff decisions along the way.

you know that the standard method for "proving" that a body fluid is hiv-infectious is to take a sample of the fluid,

imbued with ten-to-THOUSANDs of times the normal concentration of the virus in an infected individual,

and inject it directly into the bloodstream, or smear it onto an open wound, of a monkey.

Maybe good old Dirk gets an exemption on Halloween night...lol


Cheers!

-- Modified on 11/13/2003 3:48:18 PM

In forensic medicine we do tissue smears not fluid samples to determine initial toxicology and infectious diseases. The reports that are generated in any health field be it OSHA the CDC or the crime lab I manage are really subject to the policies per our guidelines in each field.

Have any of you received BBBJ's without using condom's from different providers? Also, are you usually concerned or feeling nervous afterwards?