Has the perceived ( I believe it is real) increase in rates affected tips?  When I was paying $250-$300 per session (I'm in the SE) I always carried an extra $50.  The only way a lady DIDN'T get it was if it was just a really bad session.  

makes the difference in whether you would tip $50 or not, then perhaps this hobby is too expensive for you in the first place.  I have never understand why some guys equate whether or not a girl earned a tip with what her rate is.  I tip everyone at least something for the personal service, just like I would a barber, even if I know I'm not ever going back.  

is fucking laughable.....move along troll.

He takes the opportunity to brag on himself indirectly.  

I would never ever feel obligated tipping a gal who is charging $700/hr and nor would I do so. That is double what my attorney charges. For that kind of money I expect "an above and beyond experience." The expectation is built into the price.

I rarely tip Independent escorts. When I do it's because she accommodated a late schedule change or ran over time because we were having fun, etc... For my few regulars, I give gifts (not on every visit), not tips.  

and at the risk of both White Knighting for the OP AND agreeing with SH at the same time (perish the fucking thought) the OP didn't say the hobby was too expensive for him, he simply asked how OTHER guys felt about it.

I know this not really count because i dont see providers but maybe its apply.

"I tip everyone." But yeah, bragging.

I don't usually tip (except to round up to $20 bills.)

You would give her gas money, et al?

Biggest?  Unlikely.   I'm only 7".  

...and she is hot and skilled and possesses a certain, shall we say, financial "vagueness" along with a keen monetary "adaptability"...I would no longer call her "my hooker."

If I go to Little Toyo or Ktown in LA and get a 2 hour shiatsu massage for $140, it's okay to tip, but if I go to a hotel or resort spa for the same service, I don't need to tip because they're already charging me double?  For some reason, I can't picture you or Jack stiffing a masseuse, so why do it to a provider just because the rate is higher?  Personal service should always get a tip, and I would argue that nothing is more personal than sticking your dick in someone.

I'm just calling you out to justify what you posted. Evidentially, you can't, so you want to be angry at me because I'm not sympathetic to your premise. Most of the time, I'm just saying what everyone else here is also thinking.  Don't shoot the messenger if you don't like the message. Read what you posted in the context of my reply, and you'll probably agree that if someone else wrote it, you'd be thinking they were a cheap-ass mother-fucker.

How many times do hobbyists start threads here about. (A) they got "bumped" by another hobbyist, or (B) their provider failed to give them a reference when asked?  It's a fact that this happens less often, and oftentimes not at all with guys who tip.  It's funny how in a money-driven business so many guys can't figure out how to get the best experience possible from a provider.

But when did you get into the Trannie scene?  Oh those wacky drunken asians!

And I'll spoon with Sasha, but aways with my front AND back door locked and double bolted, for added protection. LOL

Isn't it for an expectation of better service?

At some point most of us feel the tip is "built in".

Discussing what happens above $500 an hour is an academic exercise anyway, because I quit seeing girls at that rate after my first year as a Newbie because, as you point out, better service is expected by us, but in my own experience, rarely received, but I would still tip at least $50 in case I needed her as a future reference.  But you're right, at $700, my tip was just a "token" rather than a percentage.  There is nothing that a $700 girl would do that a $500 or lower girl can't do.  Most $700 girls get the premium for their looks anyway. For me, service is king.  

I would not be inclined to tip a $2000 hooker more than a $100, which might backfire because might take it as an insult that I am mocking her service, as the morin souls likes to say, passive-aggressively.  But I would never see a girl at that rate anyway. $2000 would get me six hours, INCLUDING tips, with my current regulars. I think you would do the same as me.

$400hr. If a woman at this rate or lower performs to my liking, I throw her a tip. I don't tip above the going rate because I believe the girls are charging too much for the service to begin with. So yes, increase of rates affects tips. At least for me anyway.

Even you admit that at a certain point you either reduce your tip or cease to tip at all. That was the point of the OP and just about everyone but you seemed to get it.

For us 250- 300 hr./ 50 .00 tip is great, thank you

Apples and oranges.  Realistically, how many guys on this board see $2000/hr girls?  I will give you that it was a good ATTEMPT to box me in.  The outcome of one scenario on a particular topic does not automatically apply to another if the underlying facts are significantly distinguishable. Your $2000/hr example is about as far as you can get from the OP. He's talking about a girl at $250-300 that raised her rate $50 so now he doesn't tip $50 anymore.  Hardly the same dilemma as deciding whether to tip a $2000 girl.  My answer would be he should cut back one session a month and will have enough for a $50 tip for the rest of the sessions.  Prices go up in everything in life. Some will man up and just make more money to pay the increases, others will whine and try to "retaliate."  

Or at least that's what it should be.

It's what guys do here when they run out of support for their position and have no more substantive points to argue with. He folded pretty early, but I think it's admirable that you would take up his cause on principle even though you see the same girls at the same price ranges that I do.    

Agreed. At certain price points the tip is not as necessary. I guess we all determine what those price points are for our financial and hobby wheel house.

And assuming the resident faux-ho’s are done speaking on our behalf, I will answer.  

You were a tipper.  That changes my opinion about you in a positive way. Not a lot, just a little, but I'm sure you'll say something to neutralize those positive thoughts. Lol

Did this get you better references? Less likely to get bumped? Do you use this method mostly at AAMPS? Did it work with white indie escorts? I tried tipping early on (usually 20%) with some non-AAMP girls. I never noticed any difference.

sentiments of "the best tip is a repeat date".

In this country I see girls in the $300 to $500 range so I don't see the need.  There was one girl who charged $250 for off-the-charts service so I have her $300 up front.  In some cases with P411 girls who give a $50 discount I'll just pay the full amount.  

Either they absorb the increase and continue to tip, or they stop seeing her altogether.  I could be wrong, but I would think it would rare for a consistent tipper to keep seeing her and stop tipping as the OP seems to suggest that he is doing if else considering. I think that would just be awkward. At least for me it would.  

I am a repeat offender with 10 providers around the US. One of them is in a market where the normal rates are lower than the other places that I play. I always do at least 90 minutes or 2 hours with all of them and I always tip the one lady to bring her rate into line with the median of the others.  

You forgot the decimal point in front of the 7.

He is to be commended for finding a joke you could understand.

to try to make a point.  First of all, YES, tipping gets me priority in scheduling, and YES, tipping gets me better references.  You are correct that tipping has a bigger positive impact on AAMP girls than it does on indies, and even less so on white indies, but I only see a few of those a year.  Most of the indies I see are also Asian.  Many of what most guys consider AAMP girls are actually just as independent as white girls.  They lease their own incall location and rent the second bedroom to touring girls, but they still use a booker ($20-$30) because they don't speak good enough English to do their own screening.   All of the bookers I use know that I they book me four an hour, I might repeat the next day, and repeats are always two hours.  So your scenario of me getting bumped for a two hour session just doesn't happen, and most of the time, I am the two-hour session bumping someone else.  

Yes, you answered EVERY question he had about tipping. In fact, you answered every question ANYBODY had or could have possibly dreamed up, about tipping.  

I think also you should consider CDL impact on the providers thoughts when he tips.  

By your own admission you really only see Asians. K-Girls are not Americans. It's a different culture. Your tipping advice would have been better served up in the K-Girl section.  

Idk, Jack. Have you considered the possibility this may have been the Cliff Notes version? ha! Maybe he can put all of his thoughts about over spending online somewhere. Is there enough bandwidth available anywhere?!?!?!?!?! ha ha ha!!

but trying to "out bid" the other guys for pussy is a losing battle.  

that is a reward or thank you is very often the transitional phase to a real life relationship.  Its difficult to make the leap from customer to boyfriend at the incall.  Whether it starts as a reward, or because you're a hot young stud and she's attracted to you, getting out of the incall is paramount to having a real life relationship.  Doesn't happen with every girl who gives OTC time, but it happens with enough that do develop real feelings.  When they're at the incall, they are in game mode.  On the other side of the incall door, its often a completely different personality, sometimes better, sometimes worse, but at least you find out.  Everybody has to do what works for them.  I can only do what works for me.  You've taken enough heat on outside dating to know when the johns are laughing, its because they're jealous.  The girls can laugh if they want, but as long as I'm getting what I want from the experience, I will keep doing it my way.

cars or factory equipment, I am as good a grinder as  anyone.  I just don't do it in any personal service situation where the attitude of the person providing the services can impact the quality of the service.  To me, that's just plain asking for bad service for what?  Saving a hundred bucks.  No thanks.  

I guess paying someone...anyone..to pretend to like you is your way of filling that void.  That's OK...just own it.

to call it tipping or bribery, it doesn't matter to me if I get what I want when it comes to scheduling.  My time is more valuable than any amount that I would tip a girl, so getting my hobby activities ON MY OWN SCHEDULE is worth whatever I have to do to make that happen.  If you can justify asking for a 11:00 appointment, and the girl says sorry, my first available is 5:00p and you can fuck off your day waiting around, then good for you.  I would rather me MAKING money when I can, and whatever I have to do by spending some of it to make my schedule work is money well-spent for me.  

But as lame as the OP might sound to you (or even to me) knocking guys that don't tip is kind of saying "do it my way or you're either cheap, broke or stupid" and is pretty much guaranteed to get a bunch of "FUCK YOU's" in return.

If it works for you, fine. Maybe things are different with the culture you deal with.  

Are cheap, broke or stupid couldn't do it my way even if they wanted to, and I have no expectations in that regard.  Although cheap is fixable, broke may take years to fix, and usually there is no recovery from stupid. It's a permanent lifestyle. There are a few here that can afford it that might want to try it out.  Not a vet like you because you've already perfected your game over the years as well.  As you point out, there may be handsome younger guys here that get the same perks I'm getting except the girl tips THEM, but I have to play the hand I'm dealt, just like everyone else.

Thanks, but you did err on one important point....I did not ask how OTHER guys felt about it.  I asked ONLY the ladies if they had experienced a decrease in tips due to the increase in prices.  The ironic thing is that at this post's point in the thread NOT A SINGLE LADY has responded.  

I folded pretty early because the post was directed toward the LADIES as to the impact on tips on the recent run up in prices.  I see no need to defend any position here.  Mine is what it is and yours is what it is.  Neither of us are going to change the other one, so why engage in meaningless internet drivel intended to determine who's internet dick is bigger?

Thanks darlin, nice post.  But have you seen a decrease in tips say from a year ago?

LOVE IT!!!!!!   I was going to post that I guess demand for pussy was inelastic as that an increase in price does not cause a concomitant decrease in demand!  

after I posted the OP, I thought about my question and thought  "Why would any provider admit (even if it's true) that they raised their rates and clients stopped tipping?"  All this does is give future clients a subliminal message that perhaps this providers experiences aren't really worth what they are paying.

who's married or stuck in a monogamous relationship with someone you don't want to fuck anymore, so that's why you cheat.  When you are SINGLE, successful and have a little bit of money, you get hit on by civvie girls a lot, but P4P is just a better option for me, not because I can't get a date.  Civvie girls want things I don't want, like exclusivity, pampering, and are a complete time-suck.  Dating providers is preferable for me because the question of me seeing other providers is not a source of drama.  They're seeing other johns at work.  I don't have to try to make time to see them three or four times a week like with a civvie girlfriend.  Their schedule will rarely allow for more than one or two outside dates a week, which is a perfect fit for MY schedule.  If I decide to go to Vegas for a weekend, I don't have to take them, because they have customers scheduled on weekends.  The thing I like the most is that providers are already somewhat conditioned to accommodate YOUR schedule rather than you accommodating theirs, so when it comes to outside dating, what guy wouldn't want to be in complete control of his environment.  If your civvie wife or exclusive girlfriend want's you to take her out to dinner, and knows you're off work, how do you get out of it without an argument?  With a provider, there is a mutual respect for schedules, both hers and mine, or else I don't continue.  I still pick up girls at the gym I go to, but after a few dates and some good sex, they want to own you.  I'm not ready for that.  

ever try to hustle me, but I've been doing this long enough that I can see it coming a mile away, so it never works.  If they want to laugh at me for being a generous tipper, that's fine, but then when she takes me back to her residence for a freebie who's really get the last laugh when you put it in those terms?  If you know they are working the long con, its easy to play along for awhile and then flip it on them.  However, I don't date a girl with an agenda more than twice, so they don't get the time they need to pull it off anyway.  

Depends on how much you spend!! Example: If you are dropping a grand a week or more on a K Girl and you only got one  free  fuck out of it she is still way ahead.

That get hustled all the time and don't know it.  These are lonely millennials with no game or social skills.  I had one recently that told me he gets to spend a lot of OTC time with a popular LA Kgirl every Sunday on her day off and waits in his car while she takes care of business.  He gets to drive her to the grocery store, the nail salon, the spa for a massage, and anyplace else she wants to go, and then gets to buy her dinner, but has never gotten a freebie, and this has been going on for months.  Won't be long before he starts paying at every place he takes her.  When I suggested he was being used as a taxi service, he got offended and told me they were in love with each other, so I agree that MOST guys are too naïve to date working girls on the outside.    

Just admitting that you're a lonely guy is fine...and the first step.

no need to repeat yourself.  I have PM'd GaG enough to know he's a legit high-volume hobbyist like me even though he doesn't review.  You, on the other hand have not said anything here that makes me think you have ever been a legit hobbyist, so your assessments are meaningless.  This post shows how clueless you are about how the market works.  

the whole post gets narrower and longer, and this one has already gotten there when viewed on an iPhone.  Not sure if the same thing will happen here, but I'll contribute this one.  

I will say that back in my agency days I received far more tips than I do as an independent, no matter what my rate was.  

SCB,

Then you will learn that most of your commentary here is incorrect.

Nor am I a gentleman, something else you accused me of the other day. I am a "whore mongering pig" and don't you forget it. lol  

You like to throw stones at the neighbor's house from behind the wall of your alias like a cowardly schoolboy, and you spend a lot of time here parroting the things legit hobbyists say.  If you have any reviews, you're not showing them, and no provider HERE has ever said that they saw you, nor have you said you saw them, so the only thing that makes you a legit hobbyist is that YOU say so.  That's a pretty weak hand, my friend.  You have no cred that I can independently verify, so you're just not important enough to dialog with.  Accordingly, what you think or say about me is meaningless.  Just the rant of a wannabe hobbyist from my perspective.  Just because you've been here awhile doesn't make you a hobbyist.  Other alias' have said things here that show an understanding of the business and what its like to use providers.  All I see from you is common knowledge that has appeared on the boards before, nothing unique from your own experiences.  That sort of militates on the side that you don't have any.  

a hobbyist or a whore mongering pig, seeing providers does.  The posts I did read back a ways do not show he has any unique knowledge about the business based on his own experiences.  I didn't read back to the beginning, so if its a case that he used to be a hobbyist, but now has equipment failure, that would explain the lack of personal anecdotal evidence that he is either a hobbyist or a whore-mongering pig.   I can post all day on an astronaut board, and eventually, after thousands of posts, I might SOUND like an astronaut, but that still doesn't make me one.  

Again...if you only knew  

you're a LEGIT whore-mongering pig.  I don't want to put the bar higher than you're comfortable owning up to.  I will choose my future descriptors more carefully.  LOL

If no ladies responded then what does that tell You? Move on.

to OP's that are just naïve or misinformed, but seem otherwise nice guys.  If you post something really egregious or dangerous, then they will be all over you, as will their loyal subjects, and well they should be.  Most will also not post controversial positions for fear of alienating one side or the other on a topic where we unwashed masses are of a divided opinion, like this topic.  If they side with one group, members of the other group may not want to see them.  So its better to remain silent and let the hobbyists argue it out.