To keep this simple:

I took a voluntary 10 month hiatus from hobby. I have numerous positive vouchers on P411 as well as Date-Check.

A lady posted on P411, and I emailed her directly from the P411 site for an appointment.

Her reply; My vouchers were 'too old' and she required 2 recent refs from established ladies etc.....

I feel these providers should not be permitted to falsely advertise that they "accept" P411/Date-Check .
Also, established/approved hobbyists do not become axe murderers or deadbeats.

See someone else and get your vouchers updated, and never call her again. If she contacts you, tell her that her reviews are too old.

..is acceptance by the lady of approved clients.
She is simply using the site for advertising.

Otherwise, why should a guy join such a site if it does not work as designed??

The ladies see who they want to see.  Your presence on a site that she happens to accept does not guarantee you an appointment any more than TER White Listing or direct provider references do.

INDEPENDENT - WASHINGTON, DC





SERVICE INFORMATION

Willing to See: Basic Plus 1
Donation: 300 Hour USD

No woman is obligated to see (fuck) anybody she is not 100% comfortable with, for  whatever reason she chooses.

You need to get over it and move on. The more you bitch about it here, the more most of us will agree she made the right choice in not seeing you.

Get over it and move on.  Women can and will see whomever they want.  Membership on a site guarantees you nothing beyond CONSIDERATION.

I did not "weird her out".
I had only one contact to her, simply asking for an appt.
I did not reply back to her when she asked for additional references.[so no "spidey sense"]!

I am questioning the value of the verification sites as much as the misleading ad by this particular lady.

Out

Dear Kendradc2011:
Considering that you are a working and active escort, when looking at a prospective clients verification credentials what are the variables that you are considering when deciding to see or not to see someone?  Also what would be the time parameters on a reference that you would use? Also have there been any personal experiences that have influenced the current practices that you currently employ to make these decisions?

She certainly is not the only one.  But many, many ladies do noyt have such time limits--just see a couple of them, refresh your OKs, and get back on track.

I think you are off base on this one.

.....is "accepted" through DC or P411, I still need to have the completed appointment form from my website.  A lot can happen in ten months; trust me!  When a lady e-mails me for a reference, I always tell them how long it has been since I last visited with "xxx".  

  Do not take this as a personal attack against you, as you are not alone.

Hugs and Kisses

the best way to move on is to see some p411 girls who see "basic only" with no OKs, or try another girl who'll accept your old OKs.

too many times the gentlemen ignore our request to go to our websites and fill out the contact form. That information probably would have made it easier for you to get an appointment.

I have received emails from P411 almost exactly the scenario you are speaking about. The client said he had references from DateCheck and I said give me that information but he never replied.

We are not false advertising. You have been away for 10 months, we have no idea what could have transpired within that time period. We have the right to be cautious. I personally will not see anyone that doesn't have recent references or isn't a known hobbyist. Sorry, I'm not taking any chances.

Those sites are tools we use for our protection. As BB says, don't take it personally you are not the only one that has experienced this.

which the lady requests.  You need to be honest with her...  or any provider...  in my case, I've been seeing only a handful of Favorites over the last year & I'd expect to explain that to a new date.   Perhaps if you were upfront with her, she'd have been more agreeable.  I do not like the mindless forms but am willing to provide the lady with the information she requires.  If I'm not comfortable, I don't give it & we don't meet.  I'd not pressure her...  if she was uncomfortable, we'd not have a good time anyway.  
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If a lady stated every scenario/variable that she used to determine who she'd see, it would take an entire page of her website and bore her clients to tears.  Plus, even a client who "passed" her screening req's may be declined based on her judgement.

You may have two references as she requires, but shes communicated with those ladies before and they've never responded to reference requests in the past.  So she declines the date.

Or the ladies have poor reputations and she doesnt trust their reference/judgement.  So she declines the date.

Or you may have only one reference but its a personal friend of hers and she regards her reference as gold and will see you with just only one ref.

Or she recently had a scare or bad client and is just super careful lately and decided she'd only see guys whos ref's are within the past few months.

I use my best judgement on who I see.  Sometimes Im more strict, others more lenient.  

Theres no guarantee that P411 will get you "in".  No need to be annoyed with her.  Just move on to the next lady who you'd like to see and more than likely you'll be good to go.  

Variables?   She used  double integers, characters, and strings. Another was a float.
For the variables that required a long unsigned number, she used big integer variables.

in jail, nursing a shiner, thinking "I'm glad that date is finally over", etc.

I have a similar beef.
Several years ago here in the Carolinas a few providers used info from refs to cause drama and one even called a guys wife ... a guy she never met but didn't like what he said on a post. That caused several reputable providers and agencies to stop giving references. (I was NOT involved btw)

As a result I joined DateCheck and just this year joined P411 as a back-up.  P411 allows for updates, but DC does not at this time, so repeat visits don't show.  So I have faced that problem of old refs at times since I see a couple of my DC refs regularly so at times I don't have current refs. We spend good money on those sites to be verified and as long as you have more than a couple that should be good enough.

Plus, on the couple of occasions when I did comply with added personal refs I tend to use the same couple of gals that I see somewhat regularly and hate to bother them ... plus, it has caused me to get somewhat kidding emails back from them about why I'm seeing someone else ... hence, I kinda like the privacy.

Just my 2 cents

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The situation sounds frustrating, but it's very off putting for a hobbyist to tell us how to screen.  You may know the information we ask for, but you will never know what exactly we do with it. Here is a solution; Go see one of the ladies again that already gave you an "OK" on p411 to get an updated "OK," or find 2 of your "OKs" that still remember you, and when you contact your next companion( I say next companion because it sounds like you already have sour taste in your mouth towards the first.) be forthcoming that it's been awhile, but these companions remember you from before your hiatus. Also, this simple statement will solve many issues, " Please tell me what else YOU need for screening to feel safe, and I will gladly provide it for you."

I beg to differ that established hobbyists can't go bad. They may not morph into axe murderers, but a lot of other unsavory things can happen. This economy has caused a ton of stress on people. Unfortunately, sex workers are the first to receive the brunt of that stress.

You don't make any sense.

if you meet that criteria posted on her ad. Is that it?

Why not give the whole thing a real good think? Look at the BIG PICTURE. You aren't redeeming a coupon at McDonalds or answering a Sale Ad at Walmart now, are you?

Maybe I'll have to reconsider my ban of their establishment.

The Provider has the right to do as much or as little screening as she feels she needs to feel comfortable with who she is seeing...

I joined P411 because many ladies recognized it for screening clients and thought it would make things easier for me, well it did not.  I belong to a few sites also.  Well just because I belonged to P411 really did not help with my screening and was always asked for more info so I just did not renew it as to me it was a waste of money...

P411 to me is over hyped for making things easier to be screened as I still had to fall back on the other sites and personnel info...

I joined P411, then Date-Check, and both have worked well for me.  Some girls prefer one, some the other.  Never have a problem getting screened.

On the rare occasions that I see someone new, it's the norm to contact them through P411 with a date & time and wait for the yes to return.  Perhaps it's my larger than life notoriety, but it almost never fails me.