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spasm 2285 reads
posted
1 / 30

How many providers are not using birth control other than condoms? The reason is that I suspect it happens more often than thought.  And my personal experience is that in general I have a better experience with providers not in birth control (other than condoms of course) I think in part because during some part of the cycle ladies are more sexually responsive.  I don't always ask this question directly to the providers as I suspect this can interpreted as a request for BBFS which is not the reason of my question.  
Related to this question is what is the incidence of the providers using only condoms who get pregnant? and of them how many keep the baby and how many go for abortion.

toofuckingstupid 798 reads
posted
2 / 30

with her personal life. asking about other forms of bc is ok, but you really think a provider is going to admit to an abortion or keeping a trick baby? it's up to you to be safe and not worry about what she does on her personal time or life. use a condom when you are with her. i do find it funny how many pregnant providers you see advertising though so i can kind of see your thought process on this.

Dr Who revived 720 reads
posted
3 / 30

Kind of like what dungman did below...you know, how many hookers are on hard drugs?

So if this dude wants to pair up with dungie the two can finance my research on these topics.

I did announce to dungie that I was going to have London Rayne be my assistant on this....what, are you jealous of that?
Posted By: toofuckingstupid
with her personal life. asking about other forms of bc is ok, but you really think a provider is going to admit to an abortion or keeping a trick baby? it's up to you to be safe and not worry about what she does on her personal time or life. use a condom when you are with her. i do find it funny how many pregnant providers you see advertising though so i can kind of see your thought process on this.

justanillusion 666 reads
posted
5 / 30

The menopausal old hookers don't have to worry or give a damn. No offense to the ladies who are in menopause. I just know how ChgoCPA likes to affectionately rag on them. He really does like you ladies.

Dr Who revived 652 reads
posted
6 / 30

Most of the hookers that post here have some time to ponder the wonders of menopause  LOL

But for those that are already there...it's just a part of life  :D

Seems like a relief for those that have gone through it...considering that Aunt Flo has been a part of their lives for so long and now she's gone...forever.  Most don't miss her...or so I've been told.
Posted By: justanillusion
The menopausal old hookers don't have to worry or give a damn. No offense to the ladies who are in menopause. I just know how ChgoCPA likes to affectionately rag on them. He really does like you ladies.

justanillusion 673 reads
posted
7 / 30

I knew it, you really are a big giant softie underneath all that bluster. In fact, some women who hit menopause actually have a renewed sense of sexuality. not particularly the common thing but it does happen.  No period, and want to fuck!

SinCitySinner 67 Reviews 858 reads
posted
8 / 30

I don't trust that any work will actually get done with two of you in the room - unsupervised..  

I hired Saturn this afternoon. She should be reporting to duty tomorrow morning..

-- Modified on 5/12/2013 4:30:43 PM

Dr Who revived 666 reads
posted
9 / 30

But which one of us gets to be "right"?

That was never settled before she took her hiatus.
Posted By: CurlyW - Nats Fan
I don't trust that any work will actually get done with two of you in the room - unsupervised..  
   
 I hired Saturn this afternoon. She should be reporting to duty tomorrow morning..

-- Modified on 5/12/2013 4:30:43 PM

toofuckingstupid 686 reads
posted
11 / 30

i seriously hope that is not the advice you give to todays youth. plan b pill is NOT birth control since it has to be used after you already fucked up. wow!

Dr Who revived 617 reads
posted
12 / 30

Don't fret...I won't let it happen again  :D
 

Posted By: justanillusion
I knew it, you really are a big giant softie underneath all that bluster. In fact, some women who hit menopause actually have a renewed sense of sexuality. not particularly the common thing but it does happen.  No period, and want to fuck!

glowerlord 7 Reviews 600 reads
posted
13 / 30

You used it twice so it's not a typo. Commonly people say "on birth control" or "not on".

Question like "How many providers...." don't often elicit the sort of answers that OPs are looking for because no one knows. There are no statistics. The people on the boards are a meaninglessly small subset of hookers and johns.  This board in particular tends to attract the higher dollar "escort" side of the market, which is the top end, and only a segment of providers in general.

Here is what I have seen, which is totally anecdotal, and of no representative value of providers across the US:

  - I've only come across on provider who became pregnant after the age of 30. Keep in mind, you can become pregnant while ON birth control.  

 - I've come across about 25 providers under the age of 24 who go pregnant one of more times.  

 - I've never come across a pregnant provider that charged more than $300 per hour.

 - Every pregnant provider I have come across had advertised on BackPage.

My experience does not include crackhoes, or pimped girls (as far as I can determine) but includes UTR, BP and reviewed women aged 18 through 45, white, black, Hispanic, and native American, but no women for whom English is a second language. All required condoms for vaginal sex.

Knock yourself out drawing conclusions, sparky

tiresias 764 reads
posted
15 / 30

This is a fair question.  As screening gets tighter I basically have to provide detailed personal information to get an appointment.  Sex is sloppy - condoms fail, dicks leak out of the gate, a pearl necklace shoots a little low.  So if any of these events lead to an unplanned event, where is the client?  Check the law. if your are the father, welcome to 20+ years of child support and possible alimony.  And its not like you can hide behind your anonymity - with screening it does not exist.  Am inexpensive lawyer, a short filing in court, a paternity test and congratulations.  Your hour of bliss is now a long term engagement - with a cost to raise a child these days at about $400,000.  So is it unreasonable to expect some backup via birth control? No because if she does not use it and she gets pregnant good luck telling judge it was just a 1 hour GFE meeting.   You own your actions. She should too.

Dr Who revived 557 reads
posted
16 / 30

I gotta assume it was in the Cracker Jack box as the surprise gift  LOL  

Sure hope you don't really believe the drivel you posted...as virtually NONE of it is correct.

If you think that some hooker thinks dropping a paternity suit on some john is a way to raise a kid...well, put down your crack pipe and get sober.  

The law is funny like that...there are rules, regulations and plenty of ways to usurp them.  Might want to take a class or two...they're very inexpensive at your local community college.  Or check with your local social service agency.  Educate yourself so you don't fall into the trap of being stupid.  
Posted By: tiresias
This is a fair question.  As screening gets tighter I basically have to provide detailed personal information to get an appointment.  Sex is sloppy - condoms fail, dicks leak out of the gate, a pearl necklace shoots a little low.  So if any of these events lead to an unplanned event, where is the client?  Check the law. if your are the father, welcome to 20+ years of child support and possible alimony.  And its not like you can hide behind your anonymity - with screening it does not exist.  Am inexpensive lawyer, a short filing in court, a paternity test and congratulations.  Your hour of bliss is now a long term engagement - with a cost to raise a child these days at about $400,000.  So is it unreasonable to expect some backup via birth control? No because if she does not use it and she gets pregnant good luck telling judge it was just a 1 hour GFE meeting.   You own your actions. She should too.
-- Modified on 5/12/2013 7:09:16 PM

glowerlord 7 Reviews 604 reads
posted
17 / 30

Completely setting aside the likelihood of the hooker successfully pursuing the issue...

If you the  proven biological father of any child, you are legally liable for supporting that child until they are an adult. That is according to Federal Law, the laws of every State in the Union, and international law drafted in a U.N. treaty which is signed and followed by the US.

There are no exceptions to this, and you can face jail time if you flagrantly do not follow the orders of whatever local court makes the final determination in the case. There is Federal backing for complete interstate cooperation on enforcement as well.  

Remember, I said if you are the PROVEN BIOLOGICAL father. Case law allows for no exceptions, not even trickery on the part of the woman.

And while I don't have a law degree, $30,000 in legal fees, a team of lawyers in two states, and 8 years of battling such a case (not with a hooker) has given me as much expertise as a layperson can have.

While the poster is exaggerating with the 20+ years number, and is completely full of shit with the alimony comment (that's usually called spousal support these days.)... Trust me, you don't want to get ANY woman pregnant by accident, unless you are ready to support the child financially.

toofuckingstupid 649 reads
posted
18 / 30

think he was more talking about the alimony part. some random hooker can't sue a guy she fucked for an hour, for alimony. they were never married or living together, so alimony is not even a consideration. child support on the other hand, yep. if she can find you she can garnish your wages. if you have a wife already, you're an idiot to make her go that far. you were both stupid but if she chooses to keep your trick baby, you're paying half.

glowerlord 7 Reviews 753 reads
posted
19 / 30
Dr Who revived 693 reads
posted
20 / 30

Also child support is generally until age 18...not 20

Alimony is rarely ever paid in a dissolution..let alone a one night stand.

Child support would also be questionable for the John....as he would likely assert that the hooker Mom is not a fit parent.  Hence custody would be an issue, and the suppor becomes a non-factor to the John gaining control as the custodial parent.

Bottom line...any hooker using a paternity suit as a means of support is in for a surprise.

Or so many of my family law attorneys tell me. LOL

Sorry for your bad experience...but as you said it isn't with a one night stand.  
Posted By: glowerlord
Absolutely.  
   
 The alimony idea is pure shite.

justanillusion 642 reads
posted
21 / 30

One night stand with an unpaid lady vs an hour with an escort. Does the fact that the escort is being paid make the difference? I have heard that even if it is a one nighter, and the guy has been proven to be the father, he is responsible.  

Or does there have to more of a "relationship" situation in order to get child support should the lady become pregnant?

SoftlySarah See my TER Reviews 664 reads
posted
22 / 30

that if the client is married and knocks up an escort, he will likely be divorcing, and thus paying alimony. He did say "possible alimony".

Plus, even if the client gets custody over the escort, and thus avoiding child support payments, he will still be paying to raise his child, no? Call it what you want, he's paying regardless. And do you know many responsible, caring parents who completely cut off any form of financial support in any form after they turn 18?  
Posted By: tiresias
Check the law. if your are the father, welcome to 20+ years of child support and possible alimony.  And its not like you can hide behind your anonymity - with screening it does not exist.  Am inexpensive lawyer, a short filing in court, a paternity test and congratulations.  Your hour of bliss is now a long term engagement - with a cost to raise a child these days at about $400,000.  So is it unreasonable to expect some backup via birth control? No because if she does not use it and she gets pregnant good luck telling judge it was just a 1 hour GFE meeting.   You own your actions. She should too.

Dr Who revived 659 reads
posted
23 / 30

If it is proven that the John is the biological father, he would have the monetary obligations by statute.

However, the fitness issue of the mother is what I was addressing.  And having worked on many cases over the years...what the law states is not necessarily the result to the plaintiff.  Or in this example, a woman seeking child support from a guy.

Sometimes life can suck.  But for a John to end up with a real liability, it would be difficult to win...on many levels.  The real losers would be the woman..and a child.  
Posted By: justanillusion
One night stand with an unpaid lady vs an hour with an escort. Does the fact that the escort is being paid make the difference? I have heard that even if it is a one nighter, and the guy has been proven to be the father, he is responsible.    
   
 Or does there have to more of a "relationship" situation in order to get child support should the lady become pregnant?

toofuckingstupid 593 reads
posted
24 / 30

and the john who is cheating on his wife already, more fit? both are breaking the law. he is doing it for a nut, her for the money.  if she is a tax payer, she has more of a leg to stand on than he does when that crying wife and children find out how that income was spent on his end. judges love that shit. a prenup is void in the case of adultery, so that's the part i would be looking at from the john's end. in that case, alimony would be a consideration and she would probably get half of everything for that one fuck up.

toofuckingstupid 764 reads
posted
25 / 30

you missed his point. he actually wants to fuck providers who are NOT on another form of bc, because "they are more sexually responsive during their cycle." his words, his stupidity. he said he has had better experiences with women who are not on birth control. women on the pill still get horny that time of the month dude. are you 14? the pill does not stop them from being bitchy either so good luck.

spasm 654 reads
posted
26 / 30

Trying to clarify.  I see high end indipendent providers only and I noticed that more often than expected they are not in birth control pills.  I get to know this after the fact (I am not specifically looking for them). I also noticed that these are the ones who in general gives the best sexual experience.  So it is not I am looking for them. but I am wondering how often this really happens.  I assume the ladies are not going to disclose this easily so more info are expected coming from the hobbists.   Thanks to glowelord who went closer to answer my question.
About the pregnancy part of the question, which is where most of the discussion drifted, it is actually secondary to the point and more to have an idea of its frequency in high end providers rather than discussing of the legal impications which any hobbysts should be prepared to deal in advance unless he is completely foolish.

justanillusion 536 reads
posted
27 / 30
providerincognito 607 reads
posted
28 / 30
Dr Who revived 553 reads
posted
29 / 30

Let's ask the hookers here...How many are prepared to tell a court they are hookers?  And their income is derived from P4P?  And they will raise a child with no other means of support than their hooking money?

While john is probably working for a wage doing whatever.  

Also keep in mind that john, in all likelihood, has few marital assets.  If he has a house...is it still underwater?  And cash set aside (other than his P4P money  LOL) is less than $ 10k.  So the marital estate in a divorce is nominal...at best.  Not a winner for the possible ex-wife...sorry  :(

And as far as maintenance...seems most households have two incomes.  Hence a court awarding the custodial parent maintenance is slim at best.

Would YOU be prepared to have a kid to test out YOUR theory of how YOU would be a winner in this?

And honestly, if john is fairly wealthy...the way he can move forward successfully is a lot better than the john who has limited resources.

There are indeed multiple interpretations of how the laws are implemented.  Go over to the Legal board and see if anyone there has a prettier view of this.
Posted By: toofuckingstupid
and the john who is cheating on his wife already, more fit? both are breaking the law. he is doing it for a nut, her for the money.  if she is a tax payer, she has more of a leg to stand on than he does when that crying wife and children find out how that income was spent on his end. judges love that shit. a prenup is void in the case of adultery, so that's the part i would be looking at from the john's end. in that case, alimony would be a consideration and she would probably get half of everything for that one fuck up.

nahtynikkey See my TER Reviews 656 reads
posted
30 / 30

LOL, touche! But in all reality.. a provider trying to get pregnant by a client so she can collect child support is BS. You really think a lady wants to get pregnant by a virtual stranger, just so she can collect, what, $1200/month in child support(and I'm going off what my father had to pay in child support for 2 children with a $80K/yr income). $1200 a month(if even that) is not worth it to any lady with even a hint of common sense. Are there ladies out there who may try this? Of course..but more-so so they can tell multiple people they need money for an abortion, or to blackmail the client(pay me this much per month & I won't tell your wife)..but it's not common.  

Posted By: toofuckingstupid
and the john who is cheating on his wife already, more fit? both are breaking the law. he is doing it for a nut, her for the money.  if she is a tax payer, she has more of a leg to stand on than he does when that crying wife and children find out how that income was spent on his end. judges love that shit. a prenup is void in the case of adultery, so that's the part i would be looking at from the john's end. in that case, alimony would be a consideration and she would probably get half of everything for that one fuck up.

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