My apologies if this thread has been discussed before, but I'm just curious to hear provider's thoughts on whether they think it's acceptable if a NEW client asks for additional photos?

I've recently made this request a few times (as a new / prospective client) either because the provider had cropped out her face from all her photos or because I had some concerns about whether she was using someone else's photos or using heavily photoshopped pictures that didn't accurately represent her appearance.

I always ask for a just a face picture or just a "selfie" in regular clothes like jeans and a t shirt.

So, in my recent experience, I've made this request 3 times, and one provider texted me a selfie, and I ended up seeing her because I knew there wasn't any risk of a bait-n-switch.  And in the other two cases, they never responded to my request, and so I never booked an appointment.

Any comments on this matter are greatly appreciated

It's a good way to get ignored.

We post pics for you in our ads and on our websites, and girls who don't show their faces do so for a reason.  Why should they trust you if they don't know you?  

If you're worried about B&S, then read the reviews.

If you're worried about fake pics, the read the reviews AND use Tin-eye and/or Google Images.

I'm honestly surprised that 1 out of 3 actually complied with your request.

What do you mean you won't show me your bank number? I just want to make sure you're good for the money.

Doesn't that sound stupid & too out of the way? That's the same thing like asking a Provider for a face photo or more pictures.  

If you think her pictures are off, do some background checking or just don't see her. Simple.

on a related matter, recently I got burned badly when I showed up for a meet and the provider's "Eros Verified" pics turned out to be way out of date.  The provider looked seriously like 30 to 40 lbs increased, and I don't mean to be cruel but she literally reminded me of Jabba the Hutt with three chins.  Worse, numerous recent Reviews stated that the pics were accurate, which makes me wonder if a lot of folk are submitting fake reviews to earn free membership.

I've been to several M&Gs and I've seen the evidence for myself.  Truly, I'm sympathetic, and I'm appalled by the review manipulation that I know occurs all the time.  Sometimes it's so blatant that it would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.

But that doesn't change my answer to the OP.  Rather than ask for a face pic, he would be better off back-channeling to ask previous reviewers.  Or perhaps the girl doesn't have any reviews?  Then he's TOFTT, and must accept the risks involved therein.

when I get asked for additional pics, I immediately dismiss you as a time waster, picture collector, and pretty much accusing me of lying about my NUMEROUS pics including selfies posted online already.    

N E X T !

I have always made it a point to take new pictures on a regular basis. I don't show my face and its not because I have something to hide but for my own privacy.  I have never understood why any provider would want to show up to an appointment only to be turned away because she looks nothing like her pictures.  I have many requests for more pictures, but I respond polity that I don't send pictures, and that if I don't show something in my add it does not mean I will email or text a picture that does.  I am more then happy to email special pics to my regular clients who ask that and make sure they are ones I don't post online but again these are not any more reveling then the posted ones.  I think its a level of respect that a woman feels when she is appreciated by a man but doesn't have to show it all to get the appreciation....

I remember when I first started in this business taking pictures was a major production.....these days the cameras on smart phones are so good that we can take new pics weekly if we want...so I would say to clients that if you see the same pics for the same provider for more then 2 months then it might mean something and rather then assume that because I don't show my face that I am not attractive look at the more discreet providers as hidden treasures.....you never know you might open the door and be blown away by the most stunning woman you have ever seen....

Do you get VIP & properly research prospective dates?   Your attitude makes me suspect you are being cheap or lazy.  Does she have a web site?  Are there numerous pictures posted already?   I happen to agree to an extent...  one I'd been holding off on...  had been using her own pictures but several years out of date...  the same 2 pictures.  I have learned...  same picts repeating endlessly  makes me suspicious.  But there are ways to check before asking her for new.  If there was a shortage of pictures then I might request a new picture...  I've only done so once, in the case I just mentioned...  and she sent me another out of dare picture.
I agree with the gals that this hobby is about trust...  in both directions...  and gals are within their rights to blur their faces.  If I was a gal, I'd not show my face either.

Obviously, there's a ton of downside for most provider's real identity being revealed. There's family, friends, the workplace, and the DA.

She doesn't know you. Why would she risk being outed?

There's a provider I've seen many, many times. She sent me a photo of her in my favorite sexy outfit, but her face was shadowed. Even though she may trust me now, things could change, or someone could get hold of that photo even if it's on my computer.

Hi all,

Thanks for the feedback.  Just want to be clear that I don't normally make this request because I normally don't need to.  I also want to mention that I always send a polite introductory email and usually include a picture of myself; and many women have responded that they appreciate the fact that I included a picture.

But here are 3 fairly common examples from my recent experience that may better illustrate where I am coming from

Example #1:  Saw an advert on backpage a couple weeks ago; pretty girl and her pictures showed her face.  She mentions in her advert that she is new to this, but promises that her pictures are real.  She did NOT have any reviews.  So, without any reviews or P411 account to refer to , I was very hesitant.  I think many guys would have passed.  But I called her up, and we spoke on the phone for a few minutes (I was certain that she was not LE from our convo).  And I asked if she could just sent me a selfie taken from her hotel room.  I told her it didn't matter what she was wearing or how she should pose...I just wanted to see if she could text me a selfie from her phone from her room so I could be more certain about everything.  She texted me a selfie within a few minutes and I ended up seeing her and we had a good time, and yes, she was the woman pictured in the advert.

Example #2:  I saw an advert for a woman based in another city on the east coast.  I liked what I saw, but her pictures are  cropped so that her face doesn't show.  But, she has several outstanding reviews from within the last year.  And, she has a Twitter account where she exchanges tweets with clients, and she also posts additional selfies, but with her face cropped out of the photo, just like the photos on her advert.  Anyways, I felt confident that she was not hiding anything or trying to mis-represent her appearance, but that she was just trying to keep her anonymity, so I never felt the need to ask for additional pictures or anything, so I set up an appointment and I had a great time.  Key for me in the this situation was the Twitter account, which I think more and more women are using effectively...and many who do so are also keeping anonymous by not showing their faces or over-sharing.

Example #3: Saw an advert for a woman that had a about 8 reviews.  Her reviews were mostly positive, but there were a few reviews that talked about how her pictures were not really accurate because she had put on some weight.  She also had cropped out her face from her pictures.  So, given that she's got some mixed reviews in terms of how accurate her pictures are and given that she did not show her face, I was hesitant.  Again, I sent her a nice introductory email, included a picture of myself.  I then asked if she would be okay with sending me one of the pictures from her website where she is wearing regular clothing (shorts and t shirt) but without cropping out her face.   And, I never heard back from her...  

Anyways, I understand the privacy and safety concerns and I'm not trying to impose on anyone.  Maybe in Example #1 and #3, I should have just passed on the two women in question.....

I have come to realize myself that I'd say 80% of reviews have stretched the truth and in many cases, quite a bit.. I usually get entertained by the guys who are chest thumpers with their so called "escapades and endurance"

that's got to be among the most annoying requests they have to deal with. they don't get paid to send out extra jerk off material so if you are not happy with what is on her ads/site move on.  

Thanks for the response.

No, I'm not cheap.  I have a TER membership.  And I always read TER reviews and I know how to use Google Image to determine if a pictures has been "borrowed" .  

I posted a follow-up a short while ago, you note that I gave a couple of very specific example where I felt I like should at least ask for a picture because I had suspicions.

Anyways, if you check out my follow-up post and can relate to Example#1 or Example #3 that I gave, then just lemme know...

No big deal to ask for a "selfie". It only takes a minute, especially if you have few pics or old pics on your site. You might get a good customer out of the deal for minimal effort.

There ARE a lot of deceptive photos out there. Especially where some pretty significant weight gains are involved. I like the bigger gals but it's a big issue with some guys.

I would NEVER bother asking for a picture of a woman's face.

Thanks for the response.  I guess I should have been more precise, but when made the request, I ask if the woman could send a selfie and did NOT ask for a face picture.   But thanks for pointing out the big difference between the two.  

If I can't decide from an ad or web site I just move on.  

BP girls. Say no more b

Thanks.  I think that is what I will do going forward when I'm faced with situation like I described in Example #1 or #3 in my post above, or in a situation like the one harbor_view described (ie, photos that were know to be several years old or had not been updated in a long time)

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I'm surprised you had any response at all.

There is enough information out there, on sites, in reviews etc, to get a good idea whether the lady you're planning to visit is legit or not

If someone wants to put up extra photographs of themselves the will do so, they're entitled to put up just as many as they feel comfortable with, no more, no less

Why would anyone in this world give clear photographic evidence that they work as a provider to a complete stranger, let alone a long term client?

I'm genuinely surprised anyone agreed to this, and surprised the others didn't tell you where to go with your suggestion

I never send additional photos...because I have photos on my website and my ads. I've had several prospective clients ask me to send them photos via cellphone...and I end up not doing it.

She showed her face in her backpage ad. So if was really her in the ad DUH she had no problem sending you a "selfie" of her!

#2 you didn't even ask for a face pic so why include it?

And you had a good time with girl #1 so why would you say that maybe you should have passed?

Thanks for the response.  But what you say about "enough information out there" is not always correct.  So, in example #1 I mentioned above, the woman had no reviews, mentioned that she was new to this line of work in her advert, and none of her pictures from her advert had any "hits" when I entered them in to Google Image search.  So, truly, there was not any "information out there" to make an informed decision.

As I also explained in my post above, I only made this request 3 times, and all within the last few months.  The reason for my taking this approach is because many of the agencies that operated in DC have shut down.  This is something that anyone in DC can confirm is true.  

And, so, with the lack of agency providers coming to town, I've been fishing in places like backpage.  So, this approach is something I've tried recently (ie, request some sort of selfie type picture taken in the hotel room) because I was dealing with indy ladies with no review history or very mixed/inconsistent reviews.

But, anyways, it sounds like the best thing to do is to stick with the well-reviewed ladies or with the reputable agencies.

 

I understand your point and see what you were trying to do.

While sticking to well reviewed providers is always recommended I know there are times when you see someone advertising and are intrigued, the best you can do is either wait for a review or take a chance. If she's not who she says she is you can always leave.

However, my main point would be to consider things from the provider's point of view. We're all aware of the stigma society can put on women in this field, some are prepared to use full photos or unblurred faces, many aren't and we have to respect their privacy. What could happen to their private lives and current and future careers if it got out that they worked as a provider?

Think about it, a provider takes time and effort to select pictures of herself that will protect her privacy while encouraging potential customers then a complete stranger asks her to give up that privacy by providing a clear picture that could potentially be used for any number of purposes, and possibly not even get paid for it

I realise your intentions may have been genuine but you have to accept that the vast majority of providers would be unwilling to oblig

thank you . you articulate it very clearly what exactly I was trying to get at .

If I'm ever suspicious, ask the provider to send a non-face photo of her holding up a sign with today's date and maybe a word or phrase that only you told her to put. I've only did that once though because she didn't have a website, a review on tosluts.com (which  I don't believe anything on there) and have used the same pictures over and over again. Most providers I've called though have freely sent me their photos without me asking for it. Everyone's different. However, I've seen a few where some pictures are face blurred and then a pic or two with her face on it lol

I am sure there are ladies out there who see this post and wonder how much it hurts their business to NOT have good photos. If a gal hasn't put much effort into her photos a quick "selfie" could be the difference from being booked and being bored.

We have moved past the unblurred face picture part of the discussion!

1. Over 45yo
2. No college degree
3. Over qualified
4. Formerly self employed/1099 contractor
5. Unemployed over a 12 months  
6. Not employed doing similar work for over six months
7. poor credit
8. IRS problems
9. Criminal record (many employers count the lowest level victimless misdemeanors, and         some merely an arrest with no subsequent conviction.)  

With the “Patriot Act” hobbling a wide demographic in their hopes of a job is it any wonder a woman might be reticent to show her face on an internet escort mall unless she has made a cognizant choice of being a provider as her life’s career

Honey, do you have any idea how many loonies are out there? Would you send a selfie to someone you don't know? Sending a photo via text gives you way too much information, and not only from the text and picture itself... the image contains information that can tell someone where you took the picture. A face shot when she doesn't put her face online? That is asking for blackmail. There are malicious people out there.

I send selfies very seldom... and to people whom I have seen for extended amounts of time. i.e. people I've gone on trips with, had extended appointments with, (harder to hide insanity in longer appointments,) and have had OTC time with. (i.e. I trust and like them enough to hang out with them.) ...as a little 'gift of appreciation'.

Why not just look at reviews and do some research? That will tell you enough to minimize your chances. Also know a picture still won't tell you if she is going to provide a good time. References and reviews will. (Hopefully!)

If a gal doesn't send you a selfie, I highly doubt in most cases she's trying to hide anything but her identity. I would also question those who do as they aren't consistent with their personal privacy.

To each his/her own.

xoxo

C

That's the whole point of reviews... You'd be the hobbyist savior!  

xoxo

Great if you got that from two it's just life if you didn't from the others just put it down to the fact they have prob dealt with a thousand time wasters wanting to wank over them.

Given a lot of women do show their face it's very unlikely I'd meet someone not knowing what their face looks like. Not because I want to verify (although it helps) but it's a big part of attraction for me so I'd really rather see a face in advance. Also I don't know about you guys but I feel a little creepy on sites where the pictures don't show the face, as if I'm butcher shopping for individual body parts or something.

As for the "surprise" factor... sound's too much like an actual date for me.  I know I can just walk away if I don't like what I see but doing that is awkward as hell and I'd rather avoid it if possible.

I understand the need for privacy though, what I've seen in the past is they send a "normal" face picture in plain clothes, which they've never used in any form of ad. I guess the thinking behind it is I could have just taken it from facebook or anywhere else and there's nothing that links it back to her being an escort. But a lot of the time they do just flat refuse to send a face pic in which case I kindly decline and find somebody else.