It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that grade inflation is rampant in reviews these days. Some reviewers throw out 10's without blinking either to follow the herd, or at the behest/badgering or coercion of providers. This leads me to my serious question.
If you could review a provider without their knowledge and for your fellow hobbyists only, would your scores change?
If she's attractive im going to give her an 8/8 or 9/9
However i think 10/10s should be reserved for playboy/supermodel looks and performances. I think some guys had made a mockery out of 10/10s... Or maybe they don't understand the meaning of a 10
It's all subjective. Hell, Playboy type models and supermodels are two different types, looks wise. Most supermodels are SKINNY and Playboy models are enhanced and more curvy.
Some consider the old school beauty standard Once In A Lifetime.
It's highly doubtful that Marilyn Monroe would have been considered Playboy material today. But her beauty and sex appeal transcends time.
You can be skinny and be consider a 10, you could be curvy and considered a 10 hence the supermodel/playboy reference.
And there's nothing subjective about a 10. TER guidelines list 9s and model material so to give someone a 10 they would have to exceed model material as a once in a life time beauty.
I've seen some 10s scored on here... that Hugh Hefner would never consider letting them pose for playboy.
To me, a 10 is a gorgeous head-turner who stops traffic and causes guys to walk into walls even if they're with their wives. It's not something reserved for only one woman you review, like the language suggests. All this is part of the problem with the review system here, which is well known.
Christie Stevens whom you reviewed to me is a prime example of a 10.
You lucky SOB lol
oh yes..will not argue about that..most of Adonia's girls are in that class..
You lucky SOB lol
Another example mac BRIGITTE ADAIR whom you reviewed, you scored her a 10 and she's a 10.
correct..there are a lot 10/10 ladies left out there i would still love to fuck..trouble is..i simply cant afford it..that is probably what this thread is really all about..
inicky,
You're right, we're in P4P, and you better find that 10 more often than if you looked for it civvie life.... A serious Hottie with the attitude, and the performance...pulls out all the stops.....that's what we're paying for....yes???
your opinion is just as subjective as the next guys. Most supermodels are way tall, over 5'9". many dude's ideal woman is shorter in height than that. Print models are different than many runway models. Internet models are different than both many times.
And once in a lifetime is just as subjective. It's how a woman visually impacts you, and that varies from person to person. Your ideal now might be different than it was 10-15 years ago, who knows.
Performance scores are subjective.. I just can't see how appearance scores could be subjective unless the guy is Ray Charles.
It should be basic common sense whether or not someone is attractive or not.
For example there's nothing subjective about rating Rosie O Donald a 10 no matter what i think she's not a 10 in appearance
Nope, looks are the most subjective thing you can find dear. If a guy is more attracted to BBWs, than the spinner types, in HIS EYES the women he sees are 9s and 10s. You can't just set a 10 scale to suit what YOU like..that's projection. Looks are and always will be SUBJECTIVE. Your 10 might be a gal who is 110 lbs. B cups, and no tattoos, where another guy's 10 might be someone who is 160 lbs, D cups (enhanced) and tons of tats. You can disagree til you're blue in the face, but you cannot tell another guy what he should find attractive.
To YOU, playboy and model types are what rate 10s...not to the next guy who likes Gothic or BBW types. From my experience, and I have a lot of it lol, I can tell you that most men above 40, prefer natural looking women who are not overweight or bone skinny.
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You could poll a majority a 100 men and 90% of those men would not find Rosie O Donald attractive.
We all have something called common sense, men that fine BBWs attractive don't represent the majority.
I proved my point, but you failed to prove yours lol. In fact, you just proved my point with your "majority" comment ha ha. If 100 percent of those people don't all agree, it is subjective.
You can't tell another guy/girl what to find attractive thus reiterating that looks always have, and always will be subjective based on the eyes of the one looking. Ever see the movie "Shallow Hal?" Point made. If a guy truly sees a 10 in a woman who is 300 lbs. you can't sit here and tell him he is wrong, just because that is not what you or the majority thinks.
I don't think you know what the word "subjective" means, or you would stop arguing your point lol. It simply is a moot issue, because what you are trying to debate is someone else's perception in contrast to yours. You can't change the meaning of the word, and it connotes something that can't be proven and will be different to various individuals. One can be proven educated, but intelligence is in the eyes of the beholder....same as looks. Someone who went to Harvard for an MBA is Educated, but that does not make him/her intelligent.
This should help....
"Subjective information or writing is based on personal opinions, interpretations, points of view, emotions and judgment. It is often considered ill-suited for scenarios like news reporting or decision making in business or politics. Objective information or analysis is fact-based, measurable and observable."
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you've proven your point on subjectivity.
preferring the natural beauties. beyond the looks their attitude and "Je ne sais quoi" that they carry is all part of the package. Not all ladies can pull that off.
But you're right this a subjective experience.
I agree that reviewing under alias does serve a purpose, but the way providers exchange information on hobbyists that cloak could easily be gone after two or three reviews.
Can you make me a Captain Obvious image with Picard while you are at it?
And doesn't putz around in some PT Cruiser....
It's a fucking starship!
And you will be joining No. 1...
But will also wear the red shirt!
Hmmm... Not likely to make it to the end of the show!
Hirogen was abducted by the Ferengi!
I won't make my own memes. You know I don't want to be called a copycat.
The scores don't mean much to me.
The description and actual review holds much more weight than her score.
One person's 10 in looks in another person's 8.
Performance is always YMMV.
Some people are just happy to have sex with a hot girl and will always give 10/10s, which is pathetic.
If you could review a provider without their knowledge and for your fellow hobbyists only, would your scores change?
My question was not complicated. Would your scores change?
I can see how guys with 20+ reviews would grade tougher.
But I'm easy to please. So my performance reviews may be higher than a guy with ED.
The looks score is completly opinion.
What I find hot you may find nasty.
I just look at her pictures, and decide for myself.
Like another said...I am probably an easy grader when it comes to looks. As long as you aren't picaso-face...and all your pieces and parts are where they are supposed to be...you will probably get a good score from me in the looks department. Good being anywhere from 7 to 10.
For me...a girl that looks like that "plain jane" you probably see everyday...but turns into a firecracker in bed is my "10". So, it's more about the combination of personality, performance, AND looks...for me.
I think some guys rate the entire thing based on how good she looks and it doesn't even matter if she just lays there, etc. They were just jazzed to stick their dick in what they consider a prime piece of ass. Hasn't been my style and will never be that way for me. Hell...some girls that I myself wouldn't call attractive upon first experience end up being the "hottest" to me once I get to experience the entire package. You just can't discount experience and connection.
That's why I think this scoring topic will be an endless debate. When it comes right down to it...people are extremely varied (and even changing within themselves) and even what you might consider an "accurate" review will not always translate to a good experience for you with that provider. People change. Our tastes change. If it were easy to find that "right" connection...everyone would have it and we wouldn't be attracted to this hobby. The chase and the search and the anticipation is part of the fun.
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The former are supposed to be only about appearance. If she performs amazingly well you still shouldn't up her appearance score. I have a little subbie I reviewed where I only gave her a 6 for looks but a 10 for performance because she really was a "once in a lifetime" performer.
You gave her a 7, not a 6.
Yeah, I know it's all Picard's fault. lol
I made one that had Picard saying, "Gambler! You fucking checked? What a douche! Now FYATWYRIO!.
Man what a waste of oxygen you are! Even I was too lazy to check the appearance score. This proves you have even less of a life than I do.
And, BTW, I just got back from fucking a hot little number called Bambi Lynn. Review up soon. She got an 8/9. She is some kinky little sweetie.
Back to the Vodka
oh fuck it, I have a bottle of champagne sitting here much more pleasant than you.
Enjoy your vodka, and your memories of Bambi Lynn. fucker
Had to drink some with JennaBaby on Friday. Pfui! Jenna's pussy, OTOH, delightful!
And, you idiot, I don't infer. I imply. You infer. Are you getting it now? Fuck! Where's TheCunningLinguist when I need him???
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I'm not confusing anything. I never specified what kind of '10'. My comment was more "my" perfect 10.
What I'm saying is...that for me...appearance and personality/spirit (whatever you want to call it) are connected in how attractive I find someone. A lady that by appearance alone I might give a 6, becomes more attractive to me the more I get to know her if she has a good personality. The opposite is also true. A '10' in looks might become a 6 to me if she turns out to be ultra-shallow, mean, etc. They are linked and just about every woman I've been with in the hobby and out has confimed this in my experience. If they also happen to be dynamos in bed...then they get a good performance score from me also.
So, to restate this in a way that might be more clear:
Appearance + personality = how attractive I find them (appearance score)
Sexual gymnastics in bed = performance (performance score)
I know there is an 'attitude' indicator. But, even that doesn't cover personality for me. For example, I had a session with an agency girl last November. She was just a very odd cat. But, she was extremely willing and desired to give me a good time. So, attitude was "good" but personality just didn't click. That affected performance. So...low scores from me. Her appereance was also not to my liking/expectation. A low score there. I don't really have a place to rate her attitude/willingness/effort and still reflect the fact that it was not a good session for me. That's where the details come in. By reading my thoughts there....most will thereby understand the reasons for my ratings.
In reality....all are related to me. If I didn't find her attractive in the first place...chances are I won't really enjoy her BCD skills. That's just how I am. If other guys can look beyond their "appearance" score and still enjoy the BCD time...more power to them. I've yet to experience a lady that won me over in spite of her appereance (not a challenge to any trolls out there with great bbbj skills).
You can argue that I should use my first gut rating on appereance as that score. And you're probably right. I just feel that personality counts too. So, maybe I take a more wholistic view of 'appearance' than I should.
Just goes to show that a rating system will always have flaws. It doesn't make it useless....just means you have to read the details and even between the lines a little.
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at least I understand it better. But your original post certainly made my first comment appropriate. Personally, I think most people would say her personality is part of her performance. But your approach -- combined with what the other posters have said -- is one good reason why the numerical scores are virtually useless. Not that I care. I've got plenty of ways of learning what I need to know to book and not be disappointed. Mainly, back channel.
That my reviews should be a good two points on average lower. My rationale was having seen hookers that were being touted as Top hookers on TER I found that many were just average looking women. Hence my scores then, and now are based on the women that I see in everyday life. And rarely do I ever see a really unbelievable 10...a woman that I would just follow in a mall to just look at her.
But I also decided that writing more reviews going forward meant little here. The boys give almost anything that breathes a 9...and of she smiles and gives a compliment...it's a 10. So the system now is as corrupt as it can really get.
Assuming the hookers couldn't see any scores that would help a lot. But you'd still have the pathetic shill johns like that escalade to fuck up that system as well. And there's plenty of others who show the hookers the RO board postings and create unnecessary drama. All in the hopes that some hooker will pretend to be nice to him.
If you could review a provider without their knowledge and for your fellow hobbyists only, would your scores change?
Most of the 10's are 8's in my view with a few of them being 9's.
I think my scores on performance are pretty damn fair. And as far as looks go, each man has there own opinion, what I find very attractive, you may not. If I were to go off what the norm is with grading on supermodel looks and saw only supermodels, those average look scores would be around 7's, because I don't find the supermodel look attractive. So I grade, score, on what I think is very attractive in my mind. But I'm getting old and all younger women look good..................
I haven't given a 10 in performance in a long time, and I give plenty of 7s & 8s for appearance.
If you could review a provider without their knowledge and for your fellow hobbyists only, would your scores change?
before the grade inflation went out of control. I have a lot of respect for your honest reviews.
I remember the days when providers would thank us for an 8/8.
very good question..as you know i am a very liberal grader and give out a lot of 10/10's..most are deserved..but i do admit " following the herd " on occasion..i try to see girls with almost or perfect 10/10 reviews..therein lies the rub..if a lady has twenty straight 10/10 reviews..i would feel uncomfortable giving her anything lower..it is all about the arena you wish to play in..i know i see a lot of ladies that very few others can see..they will not book a guy who gives low scores wherein they are more than happy to book me..they consequently almost expect it..these 10/10 girls always look at at potential clients past reviews and make their choice..that is the system that is in place right now..we can talk about the pros and cons forever..but that is just the way it is..
If you could review a provider without their knowledge and for your fellow hobbyists only, would your scores change?
But you didn't answer the OP either!
Many of 'us' have seen the hookers you've seen...and don't review for some of the reasons you discuss. The HDH hookers rely on mongers to write 10/10 so they can double or triple what they really are worth. Most shouldn't be above 300 in ChiTown...yet ask for 1k or more. I won't pay that... And yet many are happy to see guys for that 300.
The back channel is in some ways more meaningful to those hookers than the fake 10/10's from most mongers. When I tell a guy that she is really a hottie...that actually means something. I'm more particular than many guys...and a hooker just breathing doesn't mean shit to me.
So... If the hookers couldn't see your reviews...any REAL 10's? I know....some hooker may see your reply here and lambaste you if you answer honestly!
If you could review a provider without their knowledge and for your fellow hobbyists only, would your scores change?
In fact, I may have poked you a couple of times myself. OK, I did, lol. A few times.
I appreciate the insight from you though and I think I can deduce that your reviews are written more for providers then they are for hobbyists.
Since your motivation is primarily to see the next provider would you still grade them so high of they didn't know they existed?
If he says no...some hookers will slit their wrists. Or threaten him!
Suffice to say many are far from 10's.... And they know it!
I guess that's is a small step up.
None of us were ever going to get anything out of reading his reviews anyhow, at least he is getting something by writing them. That is if you think that getting the privilege of fucking rather ordinary women for twice the price as the rest of us qualifies as getting something.
I will admit, it's the most honest thing he has ever written since being here, so it's a start. I hope he didn't piss off too many of the HDH's he's been seeing in the process.
If you could review a provider without their knowledge and for your fellow hobbyists only, would your scores change?
I'd be fine with not having numbers though. I pay no attention to them when deciding whether to see a certain provider or not.
Um, you've never given a 10!
sans make-up, hair and accessories? Some could easily rate a 6 or qualify as a butterface!
Hobbyists very often come with conspicuous bellies, far from perfect teeth, backs that resemble a mo-hair sweater, liver spots, and with varying levels of personal grooming and hygiene.
NO! I see no reason to "change" my scores
The same can be said for the hobbyist that cannot score higher than a 7.....
While I see some guys give a 10 just for getting his rocks off, there are guys that never score above a 7...
Personally, my scores have never been coerced.....perhaps before ter there would have been some 5,6,and 7's. But I joined TER to avoid that scene....
To answer your question.....No!!
Nada, Nine,.....
If you could review a provider without their knowledge and for your fellow hobbyists only, would your scores change?
And when I look at some of the providers they see, guess what I see. A bunch of 4's and 5's (I'll skip the manatee jokes).
Back in the earlier days of TER an 8/8 was considered a good score and 10/10's were far and few in between. Most 9's were seriously hot providers.
If you could review a provider without their knowledge and for your fellow hobbyists only, would your scores change?