I see this in ads and curious to know what provider's negative (or positive) experiences were.

I am white male and curious as know what turn's a woman off

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Do you have a preference in the type of ladies you see?

Now, I will go out on a limb and say that your preferences are based on attraction and less on a bad experience/s. I would say providers that don't want to see AA men or men of any race, creed or religion (hope I covered my bases...lol) could be a comfortability issue for whatever reason and also based on personal experience.

Not saying it's right, not saying it's wrong...it's one of those things that just is and no  matter what you or I or anyone feels about it, those ladies can see who they wish and not have to explain the reasons why.

what an asinine question..just worry about how you turn off the ladies..this query will go a long way in accomplishing that goal..

the next ? will be about Cock size vs how good/bad you wield your wand.

Of this industry the majority of providers have management, pimps, or daddies they give their hard earned $ too.  These pimps are usually black & do not want to loose their providers to other black daddies, so hence the reason no black men.

Now the providers with pimps who post no black men will argue this fact, but wake up & smell the coffee sweetheart he does not love you he loves the money you continue to provide for him to ride, glide, and slide.

100% Independent & happy to have the freedom to pick whom I play with.  I have heard providers say they have been robbed, raped, or abused by black guys, but I have had every ethnic heritage attempt to disrespect me in some way, or another & I do not point the blame on the entire cultural heritage because of 1 bad apple.  To each their own.  There is only 1 race & that is the human race.

FYI- I have my Associates Degree in Black Studies & if you read my last review I am African-American friendly!

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This topic is so overly talked about, it's tiring. There is a list of generalizations of why providers avoid black men, but there is also a list of why we avoid old guys, young guys, big guys, and so on. I've never made a habit of basing my selection process on race alone, but I am also not going to tell another woman what to do with her body. Even with my agency, I don't "tell" the girls what to do, or who to see. They tell ME their rules, and I work around them.

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It isn't any different.  It's just the provider's preference.

Most people assume that because we are hookers, that cash is cash. Hell, even one of the "so called" know it all providers posted a damn blog about how green is green. I found it absurd for someone in her position to basically announce to the world, that for the right price, she'd fk anyone. Then, in the very same breath, she talks about how "selective" she is lol. Race is just a color..it does not determine how much money you make, how educated you are, how much you weigh, how good your personal hygiene is, or how much of an asshole you are.

So, when I hear the phrase "I am just not attracted to black men," it sort of screams bullshit to me. By saying that, you are suggesting that EVERY man of another race is attractive, and we all know that's not the case. You are also suggesting that EVERY guy who pays to fk you, is also attractive and again, I call bullshit. A very low percentage of guys who pay for sex are what I would label as "hot."

Whether or not that was an actual escort ad is debatable, but I'm sure the young Lady wanted something for her trouble.

Though to stereotype all black men is a bit crazy.

I didn't read it that way, to be honest.  Just that she didn't wanna see them, for whatever reason that is.

Here is where "this business" separates itself from real world business. So when we all say "this is a business", sometimes we mean it that when it is convenient for us to do so (myself included) and sometimes we dont when it is convenient for us to not do so. Not saying I disagree with your overall point L, just pointing out we all blur the lines at times when we all refer to this as a "business", thats all.

And to prove it...I just had my handle changed legally to:

HOTchgoCPA

Or was I in that "low" percentage category?  

I agree and no one ever said it was not a "business." What we said was it is an illegal business free from the same regulations that traditional businesses must adhere to. If I don't want to work before noon, no one to force me. If I don't want to see couples or do anal, again, my choice. Same with rates and negotiating. I can refuse service to a guy who haggles my rate, just as he can go to the next girl and get her to come down. Many of the above might be considered tacky and hurt a person's credibility, but so be it.

Once I had an appt for 2 hours with a big name in the biz and she cxld on me last minute. Read a review a few days later for a guy that saw her for 8 hours. Pm'd him and she clearly cxld me for the longer appt. Was it tacky? Maybe. Was it the right business decision in the short term for her? Sure.

London really summarized it perfectly

There is a list of generalizations of why providers avoid black men, but there is also a list of why we avoid old guys, young guys, big guys, and so on.

It's really none of our business why someone choices to discriminate.. It's their pussy and they can sell it to whomever they chose.

My advice enjoy the time you've paid for with providers... and stop trying to read their minds.

And to have someone, anyone do things to your body that is degrading, painful etc is awful beyond belief. Now, any man regardless of color has the potential to treat any escort badly. A ladies refusal to see anyone could be based on prior experiences and would you really want to be with someone that is scared witless or just so repulsed that her service suffers?

If this business was legal I am sure there would certain provisos in place to deal with the intimacy nature and hence allow for a little more leeway for the lady to be selective.

For instance, in medicine, a lady can choose a female doctor over a male for her gyno exams, if she wants to. Is that sexual discrimination? Could be or it could be put down to the nature of the exam and her desire to feel more comfortable...there is no right or wrong reason here. Same in a hospital emergency room...a female can ask for a female doctor of she wants one.

If you want her business to be like every other non intimate business, then like a bar, the ladies could hire "bouncers" for any guy who treats her out of her comfort zone.

How would you guys feel with a guy standing nearby? And let's face it, guys would be getting away with way less if that were the case. Short her and say hello to my big friend, disobey "no" say hello to my big friend.

This is a business, there is a financial transaction for services rendered. Does it have to stand up to the same scrutiny other LEGAL businesses do...no because it's illegal.

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They're not suppose to... but they do it all the time. For instance, where I'm from, every night-club that would host "hip-hop" night, or catered to the hip-hop crowd, is now either shut-down, or no longer plays any hip-hop at all(after too many fights on those nights). They of course cannot be as blatant & post it on their door, but it is a subliminal hint that always works, as the hip-hop crowd does not want to go to a club that only plays alternative, or pop rock. There was another club that required a driver's license or state ID to gain entrance... knowing that the Latino & African American crowd were less likely to have this(they eventually were taken to court, & told to remove the policy, or shut down). If you go to the strip club in Milwaukee, there is a dress code that includes no fur coats(who do you think they are targeting?).

If you go into the neighborhoods that are predominately African American or Latino, EVERY gas station & store will have the sign on the door stating, "No more than 2 individuals under 16 allowed in the store", & the "no backpacks"... you do not see these in predominately white neighborhoods. Or the clubs with dress codes stating "no baggy pants, no sneakers, no hats, etc"... again, they are targeting a specific crowd.

Real businesses do it all the time... they just do it in their own way.

The doctors office or the emergency room would be the "business." While the customer/patient could ask for someone of the same sex, the doctors office/ER room couldnt refuse service because of the patients gender.

A business can set its policies virtually any way it wants as long as it affects everyone of their patrons the same. The examples you give have nothing at all to do with discrimination. Many clubs in all white areas ask for ID's due to underage issues. And no fur coats? Are you serious? Stop...And every 7-11 in every white neighborhood I have ever been in has no more than 2 kids at a time policy. Youre  seriously confused or your pulling my leg.

I guess I was working off the intimate nature of the business. So I got it ass backwards.

I just dont see any precedent that would justify a lady that wouldnt see a member of a certain race now, holdng up in the courts if this biz was legit. Somebody would cry racisim, the ACLU would take their case and unless I am missing something, I think they would win. So ladies, some of you might not want this biz to be legal! lol. Just saying!

Yea, okay.  I've seen plenty of very attractive black men, and even more butt-ugly white men.  And there is no way in hell those girls are attracted to all the old, fat white men who show up at their door, no matter how well they screen for their preferences.

I'm ducking for cover as I say this, but it is nothing more than racism, plain and simple.  Eliminating an entire client population based solely on their race is the exact definition of racism, no matter how they try to justify or defend it.  And frankly, it amazes me that they are so willing to walk away from perfectly good money if the guy submits to standard screening.

Yes, they have the 'right' to discriminate in this illegal and unregulated business, and we all have the 'right' to see whomever we want to, but it is absolutely not the same as man who has a preference about who he gives his money to.  We are the business; the man is the customer.



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Because we could work our way around this way better than we do now.

Instance...guy comes in and the lady prefers not see x...but has to according to law. Ten minutes go by and bouncer is alerted to remove X due to "unnecessary roughness". Very hard to prove. Guy has to leave but still has to pay a portion of the time spent with said lady...after all , she did spend 10 minutes of her time with him. A she said, he said scenario. Would it not be better for both if she could have just said no thank you to his request for a meeting and let someone see him that was comfortable?

I know it's a stretch, but seriously, if we are ever made to see just anyone, this could get ugly.



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If this were legal, I am certain because of the fact I would legally be made to see anyone who wanted an appointment, I would have a very large man in my incall. If there was a guy who I did not want to see, I could simply press the panic button and have Harry come on in and escort the guy out. My reason would be he would not stop doing something that was causing me pain...his word against mine...bottom line he is out the door.

Now this could end up in court, but what judge is going to argue that the pain was NOT enough for me to ask the man to stop and he refused and have the man removed? The man could deny it, but unless it was on video, it remains a he said, she said.

This not only applies to race but to how a guy wants to hobby...Peter Poundsalot walks in and decides he is going to drill me into the mattress and he has a huge dick...same scenario applies...if I could not refuse seeing Peter after seeing his reviews, or knowing he is hung like a mule. In walks Harry and out walks Peter.

No I don't want this legal because the day I have to see just anyone, is the day I quit.

How do the ladies in the legal brothels deal with this? Anyone got any answers to that because I am sure they are not made to deal with just anyone and if they are, I feel so bad for them.

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One is race the other is your personal well being. One is acceptable under the law, the other isnt. I dont think you are going to be able to discriminate on basis of color if biz goes legit. Reviews will damage you and the LE will sting together the complaintants and see the obvious connection between them. But I dont know how the ladies in Nevada handle this. I assume when you work for the Bunny Ranch, you agree to the terms and one of those terms is you dont discriminate.

The forms would be part of the screening process and if every reputable lady did, you either fill it in or see what's left over. Trust me, if even a few ladies got hurt, were placed in a bad situation, the forms would become the norm.

Completely fill out the screening form and if a guys lies, bye bye. If the lady sees something she is not comfortable with, she is simply unavailable.

So well being can be psychological well being. If a lady has had some horrible experience from a particular race and is scared witless maybe she can ask to be excused. Or like London and I...guys with big dicks...no way in hell would I endure that without an enormous degree of pain..I guess that would be reason not to see someone.

I can't see the Bunny Ranch making their ladies do things that are that bad for them...it would not turn out well for the customers.

AND we are not talking about serving someone a drink..this requires using our bodies. And the day that we all have to be reviewed is also the day I quit. That would mean, if we didnt allow whatever a guy wanted, he could ruin a lady with a bad review....nice. I will vote for this to NEVER be legalized. There is not much to protect us...oh if we are unlucky enough to get beaten or raped there is legal recourse but there is a lot more that can go wrong in the day to day that can be pretty darn unpleasant.

Nobody forces anyone to work there. If they dont like the terms, thye dont have to sign up. It is an interesting aspect of the law that I am unclear about it. I just cant imagine any legit business can dictate what race their customers can be. For if one girl doesnt have to see black men, then the other girls are going to bitch so that isnt going to work either. The rules have to cover everyone equally in terms of the women, right? Maybe an attorney can chime in. Oh wait...no attorneys ever see escorts. My bad. lol

If big business still has it, then there is no reason escorts can't. It could be a required field or the form will not go through...as I said lie about anything on the form...automatic refusal.

I mean shoot we could ask for penis size, cut vs uncut all sorts of things pertaining to our business and it might be quite hard to prove why the guy was rejected an appointment.




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I can say that I have one great AA older guy who is the epitome of respect but unless a lady was in an area that had a decent amount of AA guys trying to book, it would come off far too random. I get crap because I won't see hardcore hobbyists..I guess they could take that and have a case.

There must be someone who knows....anyone?

Hmm, I wonder if you took money off the table...in other words, sorry Sir but I not taking your money, therefore there is no service/business transaction. It's a women denying a man sex.

No constitution, but I am sure there are race discrimination laws. I guess a married guy is not going to take this public lest his wife finds out.

That's the easiest way to discourage any guy they don't want to fuck. More than one woman who has worked in Nevada brothels has told me that. The woman, not management, decides what amount she is willing to accept for any given guy in a brothel. Management can boot her ass out if they think she is turning down too much money, but that's how it works.

There ya go. Actually, it is more simple than that. Let's say I am working a job for 5 years and the perfect employee, but for some reason the new manager hates me. She can't fire me because "she hates me" but she CAN make up other crap about me, and use that as an excuse to fire me. It is the same with NOT hiring or not serving a customer. No one is ever dumb enough to come right out and say, "We can't hire you because you're too fat, too old, or too black," so they just hire someone else who was "better suited for the position." You can't prove a woman did not see you because of your race...we can say any damn reason we want.

Also, just because a business is legal does not mean you cannot discriminate and get away with it. As noted above, it happens every damn day. "We have the right to refuse service to anyone" is a sign on just about every damn place I've ever been to. Prostitution would be one of those types of businesses, like a restaurant. We would not have to be under the health care code of refusal.

Nikki's right. Way back in the day, I hostessed in a preppy bar in Snobbytown, USA. On 'dance club' nights they got some toughs. Meaning, people of other socioeconomic backgrounds and races...gasp! So they instituted a 'dress code' which basically targeted all of the 'others.' You could say the rules were applied universally, but there were no local rich white kids trying to get in with baggy jeans, wife-beaters, and backwards baseball caps. LOL.

Exclusive clubs in NYC can tell you that they have no room, or that you need to buy table service for 5k, if you don't meet their standards - if you aren't pretty enough, if you aren't dressed well enough, if you aren't young enough, if you don't drop the right person's name.

Nothing new under the sun.

I don't discriminate based on race at all, so I'm not defending it, just sayin. Discrimination is a part of life, whether it's rich/poor, black/white, ugly/pretty, local/tourist. Businesses can't come right out and say that they won't service xxxx's - but they can make it damn inconvenient for those xxxx's to come in. Again, not defending it, just pointing it out.

Businesses will always find a way to deny service.

Sorry,  higher percentage of young black men have STD

Yea, that is a common thing to say.

But how about this, what if you said, you don't want black men or women in your store?  Or to eat at your restaurants?  It is  a preference of exclusion and specifically one group.  And the same group for many providers.

People are asking, "what is wrong with the preference".  Why can't there be something wrong with the provider (or in the civie world, the bars and restaurants) that exclude by race?

And if you look at the high end, well-reviewed providers, they rarely exclude their clients by race.  It is always the one post providers on backpage that exclude.  So what goes on backpage is acceptable now?

That was nikki's (and my) point. Businesses can and do discriminate, and even when they can't OUTRIGHT deny service, they find their sneaky little ways.

I meant DL or passport to gain access, not state ID... many of the younger African Americans & Latino's do not have driver's licenses or passports.. hence, they could not get in, & the club did that on purpose. The fur coat ban was in every strip club in Milwaukee a few years ago(don't know about currently), but it was specifically put into place, as the pimps would go to the club, decked out in their fur coats, & try to pull the girls out of the club. The rule of no fur coats was enacted specifically to deter the pimps(who are the majority of the time African American).

Night clubs that have dress codes of no jeans or sneakers, are targeting a specific audience. As you stated, a business can set its policies any way they see fit, as long as it affects everyone of their patrons the same....but that is not always true. A quote from the article in which 5 bars in Madison were warned that this policy of requiring a DL or passport was discriminatory, a bouncer for one of the bars stated, ""It was a way to get a certain crowd out," he said, describing that crowd as primarily young African-American men who mostly had state identification cards instead of driver's licenses. "It makes my job easier."

Read more: http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/city-officials-warn-bar-owners-that-new-id-policies-could/article_8df169d0-0680-11e1-83de-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz2LIYgBvXZ

I wouldn't argue it w/ someone who doesn't get it. It's been brought up in civil court & lawsuits. It's real.

I had a friend that owned a club & used the same tactic to keep certain demographics out. The "no baggy pants" policy was enforced anytime a blk man approached the entrance line. The difference here is the ladies are overt, not covert like we see in the real world b/c they can't be overt & say "no blacks". They have to find covert strategic ways to keep them out w/out getting slapped w/ a discrimination case.

& you're right that this phenomena extends to various groups, when someone wants to keep them out of their place of bizness.

It's good to see some educated people here. Stay well. xoxoxox

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He had to take down the sign to not be in violation w/ the Civil Rights Act of 1964, so I'm sure he has a "no baggy pants" policy now. lol

You really think the ACLU is THAT stupid? The last thing in the world they would want to have to defend is a discrimination lawsuit with the ACLU on the other side of the table with big money backing them. That would be like McDonald's having one menu for whites and a MUCH higher different menu for blacks. Come on. Think that would fly?

You are confused with discouraging certain types of people from coming into their biz to physically stopping them. The pr nightmare not to mention that the club would be shut down tells me you have no idea what ur talking about.

Where you are in LA, you could be fired because the manager hates you. In most states, they don't need to give a reason as to why they are firing you. Businesses/restaurants can NOT refuse ANY person they want. Particularly if they are a minority, they better have a damn good reason why they were denied service. The ACLU lives for those lawsuits. You don't watch the news? No business is going to risk that suit. Either way they will lose either by pr or by a judge/jury. And that sign means jack shit.

Like in Nikkey's example, having  sign up saying 'no fur coats' is just the same as saying 'no pimps'...that was the INTENT and that was the OUTCOME as well. Technically (and legally), no, it's not the same as having a sign saying "No Pimps" but that's not the point everyone's trying to make.

What does it matter anyway in relation to the question at hand? We are talking about a business being able to TURN AWAY clients it doesn't want. These examples just show that discrimination is practiced de facto in all sectors, not just this business, even when it's technically outlawed. That was the original point, and nobody is trying to say that it is EXACTLY the same as saying "No AA's - just that it's the same IN PRACTICE. What gives?

Please follow the discussion.
We were talking about real life businesses discriminating aka it happens everywhere.

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have seen it w/ their own eyes.

There's a big difference btw a bunny ranch QUOTING a rate & McDonalds having one menu for whites and one for blacks.

It's easy to quote whatever you feel when it's just a quote, not a structures rate.

Keep arguing. It's really not worth it.

pick a side, lol (saw your post below about discrimination based on raising prices as illegal/de facto, the whole issue is that discrimination done this way is very hard to prove). How "legal" is a sign saying "No sneakers, no gold chains, no sideways baseball caps" really when EVERYONE knows what that means? It's not technically racist, but a lawyer worth the $$ could probably make a pretty good case for racial discrimination.

But basically, we are all arguing the same point - that there is a gray area of 'sneaky' discrimination, and I think we've more than answered the original question.

I'd like to see you chase the guys around the board the same way you do the women!

Does your cashier at the grocery store have to suck your dick?  
Does my waiter at the local fine dining restaurant have to lick my pussy?  
Are you gonna fuck the guy at Home Depot up the ass?

Enough said.

A guy shows up to a club that has a no baggy pants rule...he is wearing baggy pants...he is flat out denied entrance. He is effectively and blatantly stopped from entering the establishment.

I have a no hard core hobbyists rule. I do not tell them they are on my DNS list, I just say I am not available...and continue to say that until they get the point. I am in fact discriminating against them and using whatever I need to do so. It happens all the time.

Same thing with ladies that don't allow reviews...they are discriminated against by the majority of the hobbyist population...are they ALL rip offs, fakes etc...no, but given a few bad experiences most men won't touch them.

I know it's not race but it is still  a form of discrimination and people get around things all the time.

of their establishment or not let you in, if they so choose! Bullshit! I've been kicked out of just about every bar around here, and more than once. Sometimes it was something I did, and other times I was just told to leave. Who are you kidding? Seriously. I am not talking about discrimination, I am talking about flat out refusing to serve someone that has nothing to do with race. It could just be because that business owner does not want to deal with so and so, and you're damn well right they can do that. It is not against the freaking law to refuse service to ANYONE. I've done it as a pharm rep, as a caterer, and as a damn Bridal Assistant. I don't have to work with anyone I feel is a pain in the ass or who causes me too much trouble!

You are talking about groups and I am talking about individuals..big difference. Brush up on your law, because you are dead wrong on this one. No one can force a private business owner to see a customer. Wanna bet? Even private practice physicians are now turning away patients (excuse me, they are refusing Medicaid insurance lol), and that is health care honey, which is the most regulated businesses. The only business that "have to" service everyone are ones appointed like the damn public defender lol. A tanning salon, a restaurant, even a freaking car dealership, can tell you to get fked and owes you no explanation other than, "We don't want your business."



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Agreed! Holy fk, and I thought I was bad. This is every woman in the thread saying the very same things, and he is trying to dispute it. It is not up for debate...they are FACTS! How the hell do you think employers deny certain races when they don't want to hire them? By flat out telling them, "Sorry, we don't hire xxx here?" Of course not! They LIE or "discourage" as you say. It's not 1930 for Pete's sake. There are no more "No AA allowed" signs, but if you are naive enough to think that passive racism does not exist, you're crazy.

Leave that crap at home. I had 3 or 4 women disagreeing with me. You didn't hear me cry you were ganging up on me. Grow up and stop being so sexist.

That's a business and by it's very name discriminates. There is no blurring the lines on that one, yet no one screaming about racism on that.

And as far as I'm concerned, that's fine.  If a provider said she didn't wanna see small-penised Asian men, I wouldn't have a problem with it, either.  

Yes, it's racism, but racism is just a form of discrimination, so how is me not wanting to see fat or ugly women any different?

To me it's the same thing.

Hi,

... situation in a corresponding e-mail! If she  wants to see me fine, if not, that's fine too!! I just move on! No harm ,no foul!!

but any agreement between consenting adults should not be subject to attempts to raid it and shut it down. When you're servicing a customer, you're not hoping for LE to show up and break up the session, are you?

Restaurants and other public businesses can refuse service for whatever reason. Laws against discrimination shouldn't allow anyone to push anyone else around, should they?

The best advice ever given to me was "DO NOT DATE BLACK GUYS" I wish I had of listened. They don't have any morals or values, and always try and get over. They walk into hotels talking loud on cell phones killing the discreetness, smelling like large amounts of marijuana. They are ignorant, immature, unprofessional and negative. They do not appreciate anything. Yes I'm black, I've hardly ever had a problem with a white male, it is always the black males. I've walked away from many, their drama is not worth my time ever. This is when You know escorting is not always about the money, because so many women will not take AA money.

Yep, and the CDC backs that up. Both Hep C and HIV are more prevalent in the Black race. Still, with all the bbfs going on, I highly doubt that's the main reason women are refusing to see black men lol.

That is really one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life.  And you say you are an AA woman?  WOW!!!!  I am a professional black male and I have never done any of the things you mentioned nor do I see that in my future.  I understand everyone is entitled to their own preferences and I would never try to change that.  But to stereotype all AA men into the same category is ridiculous.  If even 1 other provider read your post and believed it, she might tell 1 or 2 other providers who tell 1 or 2 more providers and so on and so on.  Before you know it, there will be exorbitant amount of providers who don't see AA men solely based on on person's comments.  

That high end ladies don't have race preferences etc? Just because a lady does not announce it on her website, does not mean she will see every single man that wants to see her.

I will see who I am comfortable seeing and I really do not care what others think. Until they are alone with said guy from whatever group allowing him to do the most intimate things to her body and asking the same of her, then I might listen but in all reality, I will still see whom I am comfortable and feel safe with.

Who won't see black escorts?  Yes I realize the guys are the customer but even so, a customer can be just as racist but not have to refuse anyone to make it obvious.

I live like this...if someone doesn't want to see me, talk to me, have anything to do with me here or outside of here, I can't make them. If made to, it would be pretty darn obvious and uncomfortable.

Get used to people exercising their right to chose who they sleep with, cash or no cash.

Providers are great at dealing with discrimination in the form of age, activities offered,height, boob size, hair color, skin color, weight and on and on. We get over it and see the next great guy.

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There are many girls who don't see or are hesitant to see black hobbyist because of the level of difficulty. I am Jamaican okay, but most of the black guys I see have a different attitude or try to screw the hell out of me off bat, I'm not sure its just different but unfortunately a lot of it has to do with girls under management who just aren't allowed to see black men. Then there's the fear of being hurt or robbed by the black guy... I think the race thing is just stupid. I have been robbed and sexually assaulted by a black man while doing this but a hispanic or a white man can do the same thing, the risk is there regardless of the skin color.

Pimps in fur coats?????  What decade are you people living in????  First off, most "pimps" dress very well ... they can afford it.  Having a "no fur coat" policy won't stop a pimp cause they will just take off the fur coat and put on a leather coat (not banned yet I assume).  As for "most" pimps being black, that's a red herring.  As i tell many of the young women I know, you need to watch out for the women.  They are out there trying to pimp you just as much as any man.  And most are white.  Quit watching those 1970's movies and tv shows.

As for black and latin kids not "having dl's or passports, maybe where you live but in most parts of the US, all teenagers have those things.  It's laughable that this is what a club would come up with to keep out a certain ethnic group.

Agreed .... being racist is not against the "legal" law ... morally, well that's another conversation ... just own up to it.  And expect people to call you on it.  Then it will go away.  Women have the right to see and not to see who they want based upon any criteria that they have.  But in the same vein, those being "excluded" have the right to call them on it.

No, they do discriminate at the Bunny Ranch .... and it's their right.  However, if I were to find out that the lady I had chosen wouldn't see me because I am Asian, or Latin or Black, I would let it be known, moreso for those coming after me so they would know not to waste their time or get their hopes up to session with that person because you do not meet her session criteria, so avoid her.

To answer both your questions, for many years, the Miss America pageant would not allow women of color to participate, thus every other ethnic group formed their own pageant to spotlight the beauty that was within their own ethnicity.  The Asians did this ... the Latinos did this and the Blacks did this.  All do to the "racial segregationist" attitudes of the Whites.

As for there not being a "Miss White America" pageant, the original Miss America pageant WAS the White Miss America pageant.  Up until Vanessa Williams came along, which was only a couple of decades ago.

For those that say this is like saying that you don't want to see fat women are missing the point.  That would hold water if ANY other race was listed by some woman somewhere, but I have yet to see one.  So for me to believe that premise, I'd have to believe that the ONLY person that providers prefer not to see are black men based on preference.  Really???  ONLY black men.  No, the truth is that it is a prejudice.  Not that it isn't a right.  It is.  And NO ONE can argue that. Period.  But to not see a professional black male because some knuckle head did something bad is pre judging the professional black male.  

The sad part is that there are ass holes in EVERY race.  For some reason only blacks have to receive the fallout created by someone they my not even know simple because their skin color is the same.  

It is what it is, but no reason to sugar coat it.  It exists in every field, why should this be any different.  Happy Hunting.

What is said is that some ladies allow some other person form their opinion about me.  I don't think ANYONE on this thread is okay with someone saying they MUST act a certain way based on the actions on some completely other person.  It isn't too much to ask to let's show you who I am. If you don't like me than, cool.  But to say that I must be loud and listen to only rap music, and think I'm a pimp, etc. simply because I share the same color as some stranger is pretty sad.  

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Thank you.  So I'm being restricted based on the actions of someone else???  Who here is okay with that?

I agree with tomthumb.  As a black woman, I'm pretty sure you're aware of the stereotypes that come with being a black female.  I'm also sure that you'd argue with someone if they tried to attribute those stereotype to you, especially the extremely negative ones.  Allowing folks to representing themselves shouldn't be a rejected action.