gentlemen...do you expect your ATF to give you some OTC?...

I was getting tired of seeing the child support one.

Anyways,
There's this one provider that I'm planning on seeing.
I know for sure she will be my ATF once I see her.
According to a few reviews, she has offered extra time to clients and even to go out to eat OTC after the session was finished.

I don't think a client should ever expect OTC time. It should only be offered by the provider.
I'm sure the more you see a provider, the more she'll be inclined to offer/give OTC time.

I don't expect it. It has happened, but never expected. Kinda like tipping.

If for whatever reason I've only seen her once in the past two months for two hours,  then I'd probably insist on paying he for a full four hour 'dinner date'.  On the other hand if we've done a few overnights recently and we both are free for dinner, and she offered, then I wouldn't insist on paying her for dinner time.  

OTC is an interesting animal that requires a good deal of mutual respect to be successful.  I have never asked for OTC, nor would I, and even when offered, I'll still offer to pay.  If she insists on the OTC, then we enjoy our time together OTC, but if she accepts the $, then it's really not a big deal.  One of the most unappetizing things for me is to negotiate with someone over $, when at the end of the night an extra $500 means rent for her and an extra $500 means little to me.  If she wants to give me the gift of her time, I'll always be gracious and grateful, but only after I give her the chance to be compensated.

From my perspective, OTC is a genius marketing tool.  It creates the credible impression of a relationship and intimacy, and invariably draws me back in for longer and more frequents 'on the clock' dates. You ladies that do it right, know what you are doing...simply genius.


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... OTC stand for?

I looked it up in the TER acronyms and didn't find it in there.

Serpius

OTC is very personal and always on a case by case basis. Just because you read somewhere that a companion stayed OTC with one person, it does not mean she does that with everyone and will do it with you.

Remember, you have to be HER atf as well to receive this kind of treatment-which means if you have seen each other atleast semi regularly on multihour dates and she enjoys being with you, OTC is more likely. However, you should not expect OTC on a first time 1 hour date. Or, expect her to stay OTC because you saw her ONE time like 5 months ago, lol. That's not how it works. You take good care of her, and she will take VERY good care you

Of course, there is always exceptions. Personally I have no qualms about OTC as it really is a great way to show appreciaton  - as long as it is initiated by me and not taken advantage of negatively.

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on one lady, that it would not be an issue, but many of us will never "fk" for free. Other things, of course...never a problem.

extra time for no compensation to the provider.

Swim

but it varies.  I appreciate the comfy feeling of the GFE...  but know if she has to be somewhere, she'll guide me so that she makes it.

Swim,

Thanks. At first glance I thought it meant 'Over The Counter' like in medicine, but I realized that was not right.

Serpius

Most of the time that is true! If that is not the case, she won't stay a FAV lady for very Long. With a connection and chemistry and of course Regular visits these things are usually not a issue.

i pay for 90 min of her time and we always wind up spending 2 hrs together.  she is my atf!

My Atf visits me several times a month. He sleeps over, arrives before midnight. I fix him a few drinks and he unwinds, takes a shower and the dogs need his attention for a bit. Then to the bedroom we go. We play around for as long as we have the energy and then fall asleep in eachother's arms.

Then we wake up in the morning and maybe go out to eat, have some morning sex and then we might go out and do something together...work out, get a massage...or maybe he might have to drive 75 mins back to his town and go to work.
At this point I only charge him half the rate of an overnight. I used to stagger rates, one week full amount next week half the rate.
When we go out to eat sometimes I pick up the check...but I know he always would. i just like to do it myself sometimes. I appreciate  the couple of thousand $$$'s he gives me each month and I enjoy our time together and I want it to continue. I want him to be able to afford to visit me several times a month. It was my idea. And I enjoy every minute of it.

I have had many OTC times with my ATFs unexpectedly. For example, before or after our scheduled meeting, she obliges to go out for a meal and maybe some other venue too. No extra charge... very special indeed.

I suppose she  feels very comfortable with me, after all...it's been several years. That is why they are my ATFs. And certainly continue to be so.

Peace and enjoy,
Lance

work OT for free?
This is really the ladies decision it's not what you want or expect. If you come in with that attitude and take 2 showers 10 to 15 min each and sit around and chat, which usually are questions like...how long you been in this business? how did you get into it? how many guys do you see in a week? how much do you think you make a year? do you have a bf?
If you do have a lady who does ask you for company during lunch or simlar then you are ;ucky, IMO.

then yes I'm sure she wants you O-U-T! lol

some of the most outspoken "whores are only for fucking" proponents try to convince us that OTC is a given for them. Lol!!

Anyone else find that amusing?

for 'certain guys,' and what one says she SHOULD DO FOR EVERYONE lol. I charge a rate that allows me to not have to worry about having dinner off the clock if I so choose. It's already pretty much covered in the 2 hour min. I get locally.

.....but it never hurts to ask, either.  If I've seen a lady more than 2-3 times, and we seem to have a decent connection, I'll invite her for a meal, or a drink, or a coffee, or to hang out with me by the pool, either before or after our session.

Some will accept, some will decline, and I'm cool with that.  The offer is made genuinely, with no expectations or pressures.

Of course, if there are any costs -- i.e. dinner -- naturally, I pay those.

The first provider I saw suggested we go out to dinner.  It was pretty clear that it was OTC, though I would pick up the food bill.  I didn't know whether it was rare or usual. It was an evening appointment, 8-9, so I was likely her last guy of the night.  But I was nervous already and was worried about being seen by someone I knew so I politely declined.   I was a little surprised by the offer but we were pretty comfortable talking about things.

Some years ago, I did have one local provider whom I'd met through an agency and with whom there seemed some chemistry call me to go out.  Unfortunately, I wasn't at home when she called, and she didn't leave her number.

And aside from any explicit request from providers, I have had been given the feeling in some situations that I was pretty much welcome to remain as long as I liked without extra payment.  The thing here is that there remains a kind of undercurrent of suspicion on both sides about one another's motives and sincerity —as there almost always is in the early stages of any "civilian" dating situation.  The pay-per-play arrangement bypasses this but doesn't address it.

These days, I think I'd literally require an engraved invitation to suspend the reasonable disbelief I bring to pay-per-play encounters, no matter how horny and emotionally needy I might be.  The potential for manipulation and deception is just too great.

Whatever one's own motives and such are in seeking out providers, it's worth keeping in mind that when we deal with them, we're dealing with people who are disposed to, skilled at and uninhibited about using other people.  This is the fact, and exceptions are, uh, exceptional.

I have found that many providers, especially when touring, get lonely outside of work in an unfamiliar city like NYC. I have never actively pursued time outside of our arranged appointment but it has happened somewhat naturally.

I have had several situations where I have spent more time off the clock with them than on the clock. The discussion seems to naturally occurs once chemistry is apparent. It is usually ends up with drinks or dinner, which I always pick up the tab. I'm married and not looking for anything more than P4P and I think that sets a level of comfort for her that I'm not going to spend my days and nights stalking her and her clients.

In fact, I have a few friendly relationships with providers who I see and talk to more socially than I do in appointments. When I want to have a session, I insist on paying although a few have said they feel bad accepting the money. A recently retired provider, whom I am really fond of and have a crazy connection with, is accompanying me on a business trip next month.