the more it makes me think that they are neither.

The way a person conducts themselves says a lot more than any label they attempt to wear.

make it any more or less likely to want to see them? For example, I see some ladies call themselves VIP escorts, some Elite VIP escorts, some Cortesans, etc you get the idea. It seems like it is done to distinguish between a certain class of provider. Does it derive from the negative stereotype that most of America has about street walkers? Is it only for marketing purposes? Do the ladies here feel like these labels help you attract new business or a certain type of more affluent client?

I hear that's what's hot in marketing these days!

We determine our marketing and branding based on the clientele we target.

I suspect that terms like VIP Escort of Courtesan are largely marketing or legal disclaimers. Still, I pay attention to how they refer to themselves because it hints at their attitude and personality. Sometimes I'm misled, but usually it's valuable.

if it can be overdone.  I am sure that we have all had that experience, perhaps we are on vacation and not wearing our best clothes, may be the watches are off, the wife does not have the jewelry on and you walk into a high end shop and the help gives you that treatment that their shit don't stink and that you'd better move along because you could not possibly afford anything in the store (think that scene of Julia Roberts shopping in Beverly Hills in Pretty Woman).    Whenever I see too much of that, that is what it reminds me off.

it doesn't mean a better experience any more than "seared on iron" means I'm going to get a better piece of salmon at a restaurant. Ooh, "seared on iron," wow; you know what else is seared on iron? A nasty top sirloin at Denny's. Ditto "world traveler," "educated at the finest schools" or any of that other fluff.

And other modes of back channel communication? Seems to me to ask the lady to describe herself in the manner you wish would be difficult, it not impossible, for her but much easier for the guys that have been in her company. Just my 2 cents Wicked.

But I will keep my eye out for it. Btw, you have a typo on your rates I thought I would tell you about.

This ain't to say they Rn't.  Butt to me, if you hafta call yerself classy, well, you  prolly ain't.

Unfortunately there is no standard that people adhear to for "VIP" "high class" etc.
All to much I see girls describing themselves as high end or using a number of other phrases and their ad is poorly written (Grammer and spelling are definitely not my strong points but I at least try) and they will have selfies in a dirty room. I think looking at the overall impression all of their material (pics, ad's websites, etc) gives is a much better way to get an idea of the type of person. Too much of those key words IMO looks like you are trying too hard or an eleitest.
 

Do other guys use something other than this?

But if the ad says, say, "sensual," then the reviewer says, "...met me with a LFK," I'm already imagining that kiss to be sensual in nature, whereas it might be giggly and playful.

VIP and Elite seem to be directly related to a higher rate structure but unfortunately not so when it comes to quality of service.

I might pay more attention. Terms such as VIP, distinguished, gentlemen, elite, classy, etc, are thrown about so loosely that they've lost all meaning. I'm reminded of the quote from Groucho Marx: "I would not want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member."  When I submit my name, email, and some other info to a provider, and--bing!--I'm accepted, that's not a very exclusive club, no matter what the labels.

sometimes I settle for just "Union" or "10 Gauge".

No, but different guys sure are willing to part with more or less of those dollars depending on who I'm marketing to. Come on. You don't market ford fiestas to people who can afford bmw's. And with my current marketing, I capture the in-between.  

The only club that is here is the one where you show up with your BFF Ben Franklin.

... is "sensual coach".  I've only seen one provider refer to herself as a coach... but there could be others out there. And it's not marketing fluff--she is a great coach (among other qualities).  

Or something to that effect.

You see, as a professional I always expect other professionals to be professional.

that are a big negative to me and I will basically put that provider on the " never gonna happen" list. But I can't think of any wording (other than her being very inclusive in her ad or website) that would sway me one way or another.

The trick in this world is to figure out which gal is leasing a Ford Fiesta at a BMW 700 series rate.

So my question to you then, is this.  

limited to those who qualify.  Given that ad copy is meant to catch attention, it's not what I'd call accurate.  But if the content of the site, and her communications quality, and even the production values of the photos align to indicate a higher standard, then perhaps the ad copy is justified.

I really have no idea what that means. I am sure, well mostly sure, that a provider isnt intentionally being condescending with that word but it just comes off as such. I mean she is till going to f*** and s*** me lopaw? Isnt that what escorts/providers/prostitutes/street walkers do? lol. It seems like that specific word should mean something to somebody but it gives the impression that "I am above all those lower class women/escorts." But I could be wrong. Maybe a lady here that uses that description can enlighten me?

I'm under no illusion about what constitutes expensive and what constitutes a bargain.  When you're in the business of selling things (no matter what they are) the experience you're selling has to fit the price or else perceived value plummets.  And while anyone can charge whatever the hell they'd like to charge, if someone is selling a bad product fronted with exclusive marketing ploys, the product is still bad.  

"Companion" I get but I dont get "cortesan" and libertine is a new one I hadnt heard before. And your reference to "a clientele that is smart enough to know what those words mean" does come off as condescending a bit. Please dont take that personally as I mean no disrepect but thats the way it comes across, not necessarily the way you meant it. Can you help define those two words I mention? I am sure I am not the only gent here who doesnt know what they mean. Thank you.

I have three holes...Will you fill them. Love those ladies!

You'll be able to find the meaning using that spelling.

I look for terms like: girl next door, friendly, funny, casual, Spontaneous, etc. Yes they are all marketing terms, and truthfully I look at pictures, rates, and reviews, more to make decisions, but ad campaigns do work. Certain words or phrases in ads may make me look for those pics, rates and reviews, and others may make me lose interest. The ones that claim "elite" "vip" etc., usually come with higher rates.

and Stoli is a great example. Great vodka in a simple bottle. Not that Belvedere is bad, but it gives me no more pleasure than Stoli. Less, actually, 'cause I'd feel like an idiot for buying it.

and don't want to blow a fuse.

For me the key words and key term "EXOTIC EAST INDIAN" seems to be whats brings "all the boys to the yard of Sitara Devi".
Because its such a unique thing to be in this industry and to be an authentic Indian female with something I consider "cultural capital" and there are only a few Indian ladies in North America in this line of work I think EAST INDIAN really reflects something that the general mass of men gravitate towards.

Hey you! Did I do something to you to blast my Honorarium page, lol!

Unless it's a label given to a lady by a gentleman. It's even better if several gentlemen concur. Until I've seen her several times, and have grown to trust her a little bit, I really don't believe what a lady says about herself. How many ladies alter pics? How many claim to be younger than they are? How many say they are low volume? What makes a lady elite, or vip? I'll take the word of the gentlemen who've seen her.  

I would 100% agree with this, Erin. While I'm sure some gents may think I'm uppity because I use certain phrases and charge XYZ, I will always say you must back it up with actions! If someone assumes I'm a bitch simply by my creativity and thought that I put into my ads and website, then what I did worked for me, because that's someone I highly doubt I'd want to spend my time with anyway.

...and I didn't mean for my mention of them to come off as condescending.  

They are all synonymous.

There's always a sucker born, or in this case a newbie who doesn't know that pussy is still pussy no matter how glammed up photos are, or how vain words are on a site for a woman.

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So I won’t say we disagree, again…lol…[cough]

I find the ladies on backpage more drama free if there legit. I have found more review management, photo shopping, and other issues in the more polished providers. Note if there isn't a long history of reviews I likely would take the lady with the web site as it reduces risk of LE, but with adequate screening info, I will see the backpage lady first if ever thing else is even.

As far as hooker spectrum is concerned, a courtesan (by definition) and a street walker are on opposite ends and each has, for the most part, completely different clientele by their very definitions alone. They both also have different economics; oftentimes, as soon as they can afford to, women who do sex work outside move indoors because it's safer and there's less chance of getting busted.  

Those terms are just another way to say GPS!  

Same for "elite", "VIP", and "exclusive".

a lady's recent reviews as well as the information on her website.

She said something to the effect of: There aren't $300, $500, and $1000 providers.  There are $300, $500, $1000 customers.  We market ourselves to the clients we feel more comfortable entertaining.  Some girls are better at quickies, others are better at multi hours.  Others like to spend days with their clients.

But I got a pretty serious lady-boner going' on right now.  

I honestly hate writing write-ups and thinking of a title. As much as I like to write this is such a pain in the ass. Whichever name we choose, to me, doesn't state whether your time with us will be any better than with the next...LOL I guess the fancier the name the higher the price

I'm of the "simpler is better" school, and when I see "prelusion" instead of "about me" my first thought is that you got out a thesaurus and picked the most obscure word you could find in an effort to make your site stand out from the crowd; it's a perfectly natural instinct and certainly shows how much thought you're putting into your site, but in my opinion it's not the best way to go as it comes off a little pretentious. I think I recognize and am maybe overly sensitive to this sort of thing because I fight it myself; I'm very well read (see what I did there? ) and I tend to use hundred dollar words when five dollar words will do the job just fine. Unfortunately obscure, "fancy" words can cloud your message rather than enhance it. But again, just my opinion.

I couldn't agree more. I really hate write-ups and trying to come up with a title.  

Women who advertise themselves as VIP, elite, or courtesans et al... are just trying to market themselves.  

Yes you should tailor your ad to your desired clientele but also know most guys aren't reading it anyway. Its almost always about pictures, price and services.  

I posted about this on the FL board. I asked what types of boxes or choices might be added to the search feature for things like that. Didn't get a lot of traction so I presumed not many gents were interested in such a feature. Or they just got bored reading my novel of a post. Lol!!
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=182461&boardID=16&page=#182461

I was taking direction from an older provider who schooled me a bit. Like I mentioned all over this thread, I'm horrible with write-ups. Thinking of how to describe myself while remaining in confidence and not out of cockiness has a thin line.

huh. Ya know...sometimes there is so much BS on threads like this it's hard parse it all out. I will say I was surprised though. And, very happy to hear I was wrong

they are attracting exactly the kind of men they want with their copy: men who pay attention and are probably quite submissive.  

some words are less crass than others. Like, how would you feel about someone who uses the word "prices"?

my point was more that the fancy words don't impress me, but there are definitely very wrong ways to say things. Using my salmon example, I would prefer just "seared" to "seared on iron," but "salmon slapped on the grill" doesn't exactly sound appetizing.

nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. It's true. Confidence loves confidence.

Sometimes crass words are more effective. Gotta think like a guy, that is who is reading the review. I use them occasionally for effect.  Writing things like I inserted my turgid penis into her clenched vagina, just doesn't sound as appealing as I stuck my C#$% in her tight p@#$$.  
 

Now that could appeal to the Senator/doctor/whatever types.

I imagine your clients are initially only thinking one thing... Kama Sutra!

So glad to see other hobbyists see these things the same way I do!

than several here.  I completely agree with all you said.
Pretentiosness is SUCH a big turn-off to me.
If a lady's web site is full of it, then everything else has to REALLY come through with flying colors to overcome that and for me to consider her

...which of the menu items will take you to rates and photos.
It really is misplaced creativity.
I'm a creative person myself - so I absolutely love and respect that in women too, and it means there is a good chance we will get along - BUT thesaurus use to find different words for menus hardly is an indictor of a truly creative person.  It's really a bit too much IMO.

I look for all these types of descriptions in her reviews too.
And actually, if the reviews indicate those winning characteristics - that might be enough to overcome the dreaded "courtesan" terminology that repels me like nothing else can.

But one desribes herself as a "lady"' the other describes herself as a "courtesan."
I will go with the "lady" every time (all other things being equal).
Pretentiousness is such a huge turn-off to me.
While I love smart, independent, creative, strong, sexy ladies - those things are revealed to me in a million different ways by how a lady carries herself and communicates - not by her telling me she is "elite" or a "courtesan."  To me, those qualities (or what they mean to ME anyway) are just as likely to be possessed by a lady in a straw hut in Tanzenia as they are by a lady in the penthouse suite of a 5 star hotel.

Give me a down-to-earth, sexy, savvy, fun lady who is comfortable in her own skin.
If the words and self-description don't hint at this, but are up in the clouds somewhere - then yeah, that doesn't work in the lady's favor with me and would have to be overcome with strong reviews that DO reveal that she has the qualities that I am looking for.

Anyone can say they're classy, but they don't know what it means to be classy.  It's the funniest when an ad proclaims the author to be "classy", but the ad is poorly written and the pics feature laundry strewn everywhere in the background, lol. Instead of appearing classy, the ad screams, "I'm a liar who pretends to be something I'm not to try and fool guys, who I think are too dumb to notice!" Lol
Instead of calling myself a word, I prefer to explain why I consider myself as such. For instance, I give specific examples of what exactly is classy or elite about me when writing my ad.
 Then of course when new clients meet me, they'll see for themselves how I am, and that speaks volumes.

Marketing.  

To be fair, my shit used to say "consideration," but my website format made it look all crammed (it was like this: AboutMeAboutYouConsiderationFAQContact). Knocking off those 8 characters made some space.

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it doesn't mean a better experience any more than "seared on iron" means I'm going to get a better piece of salmon at a restaurant. Ooh, "seared on iron," wow; you know what else is seared on iron? A nasty top sirloin at Denny's. Ditto "world traveler," "educated at the finest schools" or any of that other fluff.  
   
 Now, is there ad or site content that I do pay attention to? Well, pictures obviously, but also anything that feels real. I'm sure that many providers are good at this but the example I'm most familiar with is a frequent GD poster with a great website. No "courtesan" nonsense, just "Hi, I'm xxxx" and here's some stuff you might want to know about me. She has "rates," not "honorariums" or "benefactions" or some other "look how high class I am" label. She also describes what type of client she's a good fit for, and her blog is well written and interesting. I'd name her but I suspect it would be too "shilly"..just know I'm being quite Cincere.

is preferred over the rather crass term "cheap".

And a shill is only a shill of everyone thinks he's unbiased. Pretty sure that train sailed awhile ago.

That's real. That's awesome.

All things being equal, if the difference is the presentation, grammar, etc., I will choose the better presentation, because it tells me that the lady in question cares about the small details.   Of course, I also understand why a lady would want to see a coherent date request, but there is a point at which the intuition goes off, Danger Will Robinson! Danger!   (you must have seen that post in which a guy slapped me for saying men had no intuition, I was obviously kidding, but there is no question that our intuition is probably not as good as a woman's intuition).

I once read something to the effect of "she had a huge orgasm as my fingers finished their ministrations" [shudder]. I still get a little throat vomit when I think of that one.

and I almost needed to copy and paste the very word just to make sure I even spelled it right. lol

I further have to say that when reading the ad/s of a provider, there is very little that she can say that will make me want to call her, but there are many things that will make me NOT call her. I go by pics/reviews/overall attitude when going through my decision making process. There is NOTHING an ugly provider can do to stir an interest from me, but there are many things an otherwise attractive woman can do to turn me off.

One of the things that will put a woman on my "must miss" list the fasted is a sense of "pretentiousness", others are words like "classy" which is one of those terms that the moment you claim to have it, you have just proven that you don't. Novelettes that try to put on an air of "worldliness" also turn me off as they are usually an excuse to charge more money.

OTOH, I do like a woman to have certain minimums where it comes to the written word. Unless she is an ESOL student, being able to compose a simple sentence without butchering the English language is also important. Ghetto textspeak will turn me off just as quickly as the female version of Dupey.

I guess my point is, it's a balancing act. I don't want over an over the top ad, trying to justify an over the top rate, and OTOH I don't want an $80 hr BP ad either.

Thank you Stevie. Lots of smart women here who seem to know business. Do you consider yourself a courtesan Stevie? If so, how would you define it? Thank you again.

I like "crab-infested skank" eom

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And I think you are right, I guess that they are synonymous but Erin makes a valid point that there is differences as well? Maybe it is not a black and white thing (i dont mean race, I mean as in "clearcut") But it seems like some use the terms to make them feel better about the fact that they have to work as prostitutes and self esteem is important, I think we would all agree no matter what career path we choose in life.

But it is up to guys to distinguish between them. I look at the pictures and can tell if someone looks 'classy' enough to be "VIP," or "Elite" or any other label. There are tons of ladies asking for a certain price range, but their pictures tell a different story. Even the neighborhood that they work out of tells me what kind of ladies they are (or the likelihood of them being a type). To me titles like VIP requires looks and service, not looks or service. I have met quite a number of girls that had the looks, but their hygiene and service was less than sub par. And then you meet girls who are willing to offer good service, but you don't care, because their looks are just not doing it for you.

but I don't find them "over the top" and/or enough for me to dismiss your ad as coming from someone "full of herself", but in all honesty, you are right at the very edge of "over the top" by my definition, which of course is only that. "My" definition.

I prefer simple, and I think it's "your look" a lot more than your website that is responsible for your high marks. Let me add, You are not even "my type" as I much prefer "20 something brunettes, with much longer hair" that said, I find something very compelling about your pics. Without sounding like I am "sucking up" (and after my preface, I would be doing a horrible job of sucking up if that were my intention) there is something about your look. I don't know if it's your eyes, your smile, or exactly how to put my finger on it, that would still get me to possibly call you, despite everything I have said up to this point. lol

The one thing I think we can agree on, is that there is no "one size fits all" answer to all this. What you do works for you, you appeal to what a certain segment of the marketplace is looking for, but what I prefer is a bit different. It doesn't make either one of us right or wrong, just different, and what would life be without differences.

Women are not fungible, heck, for that matter their vaginas are not fungible.   I appreciate the marketing efforts, including posting on this site, because my to-do list grows ever larger because of it - it is great to have such a list, one that holds such promise   So yes, all of you do offer something a little different, something unique and part of the fun for me is finding what it is for me, something that strikes me, something that interests me and I think that you gals, at least some of you, enjoy doing the same thing with your clients, a dick is not a dick is a dick (probably effed that one up).      If all I wanted was a friction aid, well, I do have a right hand that is well acquainted with mini-me, they do have a respectful on and off relationship that goes a long way back

Thank you, darling! That was very sweet of you to say.

well, the better in bed than when I was my twenties part anyway. I look like shit.

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I'm not trying to get everyone to contact me.  I want to attract the people that appreciate the type of service I am choosing to offer, verses the variety of other approaches available.  I write ad copy to support that intent.  IMO, you have to back up what you write, but not all clients have the ability to make those distinctions.  Repeat business and loyal clientele is only built on integrity and consistency

It doesn't matter how classy adult workers think they are, the clients will make damn sure they  
will treat them like street walker low life scum bags . There is not such thing like respectful behavior with a sex worker. If sex work is considered a bad job that doesn't mean that the sex workers are bad people. Of course the clients have their own values so they will continue to treat sex workers as badly as they feel like it just because they pay!  
80% of sex workers clients are abusive thinking that it is ok to do that as long as they paying for it! Then after the first session ends up with bruises, smashed makeup , sore private parts for the sex workers and they decide to deny a second session for that rough client a second date he is probably wondering what went wrong! Well if that rough client really needs a good standing relationship with his preferred adult worker then the solution is for him to  
1." LEARN HOW TO PLAY NICELY INSTEAD OF ROUGH!  
2. Read a book about good manners and respectful behavior .  
3. Start respecting sex workers' boundaries and she might approve a second session with you!

We are human beings, providing an intimate service.  It is up to the client to let us know before meeting if he is looking for a particular approach.  If he doesn't, he is going to get something more fluid, based on how we are feeling that day, how the chemistry flows together, etc.    

Hey baby, like I said, preferences : ) Deduct away, but again, like you admitted, doesn't completely drown out my allure, does it?

As it is as much a turn off for a potential friend to say such things as contained in your post.

"spermanator" and "straight-up guy". I think this draws the ladies to me.

But "Classy Ass Hooker"??? Now we are talking. lol

In all seriousness, the term "classy" in a hookers ad really is a turn off to me, but "classy ass hooker" is great. To me, it means that she probably doesn't take herself too seriously, and most likely is a lot of fun. kudos.