As others have said, it is unfortunate that this has happened. I would advise the young lady to "move on". Personally, I have no problems when someone counts my money. I know some guys would rail at me for saying this, but don't we count our change when we go to a store....doesn't whomever taking our money (be it the grocery store or buying a home) count the money? GFE is fine once the money is taken, but "strictly business" is fine beforehand.
-Hoot.
A friend of mine (I swear it's not me) is brand new in the biz (2 months). I've been helping her learn the ropes, but a hobbyist threw "monkey wrench" that even "I" wasnt prepared for.
#1. He ripped her off.
fairly common occurence (unfortunately)
He was suppossed to pay her $300 for the first hour, and shorted her $20. The money was in an envelope so she just gave it a glance and assumed it was the full amount.
An hourgoes by and he wants another hour. So she's like, okay pay up. He places a wad of bills in her purse and they continue with the session.
So now 2 1/2 hours have gone by and he's not making ANY attempt to leave so she politely asks him to pay for more time or leave. he leaves.
Only when he's gone does she see that she is short $20 from the original $300 and the WAD OF BILLS is $17 worth of ONE DOLLAR BILLS!
2. He has the NERVE to Email later...
She made a HUGE mistake by leaving her purse on the table while she went to the restroom. He LOOKS INTO HER PURSE AND GETS A LOOK AT HER DRIVERS LICENSE!
He has the NERVE to call her the next day, leaves a voicemail and calls her by her REAL NAME and says "Oh, I know I owe you a little bit more money" but call me.
Then he Emails her and says "I realize I've crossed a few boundries but I feel like we are friends now".
They've had 3 appointments total.
Okay...
IS IT ME, OR HAS THIS GUY GONE OFF THE DEEP END? HAS HE NOT CROSSED "WAY" OVER THE LINE?
What the HECK should she do???????????????????????????????????
my .02 cents
Sable
Sounds like your friend needs a little more hands on training.
I feel sorry for the young lady but c'mon, most of you girls know that you always count it regardless.
Secondly, what can the guy do with her real name? Nothing!
What's he gonna do? Show up at her house? Whatever!
Move on and cut your losses short.
If he really wants to see her, he will cough up the cash and a little extra and if he is worth anything, he will hand some time and cash over your way, for the let down.
We're not all like that, but be careful.
The guy has stepped way over the line. What a way to endear yourself to your favorite provider - short her on her fee and then go rooting around in her purse without her knowledge looking at her drivers license and whatever else.
She should demand that he pay the rest of the monies due her. I am not sure how vigorously she should pursue that demand. He has her personal information and I assume she has his personal information. She may be able to give him headaches at work or with his SO. He may be able to cause her problems with LE, her landlord, etc.
In any event I do not think I would see this client again.
What do you mean they've had 3 appointments?!
Which appt. did this happen on?
She should drop him like a hot potato, but don't piss him off.
She should never leave identification out.
Forget about trying to recover money, consider it educational cost.
1st Appt. went fine
2nd Appt. went fine
3rd Appt. he pulls this (#$@!^&%) on her :>(
Jeez what a dork...
I have no clue why a guy would do this to a lady nice enough to
see him. He is probably some mental defective so get away / avoid him totally.
I dont think he can do anything leagally to your friend without incriminating himself. You might try posting on the LE board.
I always treat ALL women with respect and kindness. So I just dont understand when I hear stories like this.
Give her a hug for me.
Scot.
Your friend should take steps to protect herself from this guy.
He could be nothing more than a novice who does not know the rules of the road in this game to a stalker or worse.
I would be very careful to not follow any routines, drive home a different way, park in a different spot, even start working different hours if I had a day job where I could do such a thing.
It is unfortunate that the minority of hobbiests and providers alike are those who cast such a dark shadow on what should be a pleasurable experience for both.
My apologies on behalf of all guys who may have crossed the line everywhere.
LM
Sable,
Christ that sucks! First off I am sorry to hear it. It has happened INTENTIONALLY once to me. The other times were unintentional, following intense roleplay...
Here in Seattle we have a bad client list... Understandably it makes some hobbyists nervous but it shouldn't. This is an ideal example of why it is kept.
Had this occured here the gent would have gone on the list in question. His first and last name, contact info and whatever had occured to put him there. Simple and to the point.
We ladies still use our own discretion on whether we will see a gent who is on the list or not... and a guy can work his way off. (By getting at least two reputable providers to speak for him) BUT the gents know that if they show on it... they may be regulated to AMP's and SWs... as agencies also make use of the list.
It sucks to take one for the team. And this is a situation that won't immediately rectify itself as both parties now have a proverbial axe over their heads. Be careful, don't see the gent again and work on changing as many points of info he has as possible (ie, address, phone # etc)
Good luck and Goddess Bless,
Rebecca
I'm sure this doesn't need to be stated, but what an ASS!
That is the hardest part about this business because you want to make it as GFE as possible and plus discreet, as it doesn't look good either way to count the money and then go, ok, let's get this show on a roll. Each and everytime I have a new client, I am a bit nervous, because I am trusting that they leave the amount asked for originally, as I do not like to break the moment of asking and counting the money up front. I usually excuse myself to go to the bathroom and that is their cue to now leave the money somewhere where I can view it. I have yet to be shortchanged by any of these so called assholes, but perhaps that might be because of my verification process and/or using references. I think someone would think twice of screwing us over if they knew that we could find them. I know we have discussed this issue before and I will still stick by my guns, have no reference, then we must have a verification.
As for ID, I NEVER carry any ID on me and usually take my bag with me when I go to the rest room if I have anything of value in my bag, which is rarely. Heck I even register my license plates to a MailBox ETC so even if they figured out my name, as I am unlisted and the only mailing address they would get is at that box and cannot stalk me. I am so sorry this happened to your friend and there isn't too much you can do about this jerk and unfortunately he has a card he can over her head everytime she doesn't do what he wants her to do, but hopefully she'll stand up to him and not reward him by knowing that he can threaten her identity and such and he'll give it up. Way scary situation. Not very helpful I know, but I guess experience is the best teacher and this will never happen again~
Somebody is always aware of where I am at and I do have a contact number in my bag. As for the ID, it's left out in the car. I just don't bring the ID or anything personal in with me.
As others have said, it is unfortunate that this has happened. I would advise the young lady to "move on". Personally, I have no problems when someone counts my money. I know some guys would rail at me for saying this, but don't we count our change when we go to a store....doesn't whomever taking our money (be it the grocery store or buying a home) count the money? GFE is fine once the money is taken, but "strictly business" is fine beforehand.
-Hoot.
One thing I like to do before we even get to the hotel or residence is ask him to whne we first get there place the envelope in the bathroom. Then I usually will go in and freshen up and make sure whats in the envelope is the cirrect amount. Sometimes I just wait until the end of a session but when you hear things like this it makes you think twice about that. Getting paid up front has it's down side as well. If the last thing yourr worried about is LE and it's your first time seeing him then I's suggest you ask him to use the bathroom and leave your "gift" in there. This way there is no physical change of money hand to habd yet you can still count it without doing it in front of him, which personally I NEVER do. Not to mention there are sometimes a client is not sure if he wants a one hour appointment or a 2 hour one until he gets to meet me and makes sure we hit it off well. By peaking on the envelope it will tell me the amount of time we will be spending together. I am totally non-rush and do my very best to get several pots of coffee. I'm a show off and I love it!
Have her set up another appointment at a seedy motel. When he arrives, have Vito and Rocko tune him up. Some people learn the hard way. He violated her, went into her purse, her response should be in like kind. That is why god made wiseguys. It is always good to have some muscle on retainer.
Im going to take a slightly different view of this clown's actions. Note Im not condoning what he did. That was wrong on a couple of fronts, no further discussion required. His comment about "being friends now" and the time extensions on the appointment lead me to believe he is reading more into the relationship then he has any right to and, as a result, could be a real problem to your friend. In his sad little mind I think he really does think your friend is his friend. As such he has developed (in his mind) a "relaxed" notion of what's permitted and what he can get away with. You know, we often allow friends more latatude than strangers dont we? Your friend needs to do one of two things: Get the money owed her from this clown by taking his call and arranging for payment...or tell him he is way off base with what he did and never see him again. If she does actually like him and wants to continue with him(which may well be the case in view of the mulitple meetings) she has to set down the grounds rules. She must maintain control here. Sorry if I sound a like a parent here. lol Good luck to you both!