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Several bullets point down she explains she will not initiate the first contact with a client. Actually she explains it all pretty well, which avoids misunderstandings.
So I met a girl about a week ago, paid for 3hrs. Nothing happened, we just talked the whole time, even going over by about 30min. No point tried upselling or anything. Just never came up. She's really utr, providing isn't her main source of income. Met through a sorta mutual friend whose introduced me to a couple other girls that things have happened with, so thought I knew what I was getting into. That said, I really enjoyed my time with her and our conversation and would like to see her again. Should I bother? Thinking of just messaging something like "really enjoyed our time together and would love to see you again, but can't afford x amount, but willing to buy dinner or cover any activities we do."
They deal with SB-related stuff. Sounds like you needed to do homework BEFORE seeing her for the first time, but it's not my area.
Not looking for a sugar baby. No mention of extra money besides base donation at all.
I think we need more information before giving you any kind of answer.
Did she charge "provider" rates? How much did you give her for 3.5 hours of conversation?
Did you ever try to initiate any kind of "activities" or did you just allow the time to go by without ever asking, either overtly or even tacitly for things to "get started"
Yeah, was 3k for 3hrs.
Not really. I'm definitely on the shy side and never needed to before. Didn't need to with the other girls I met through the mutual "friend".
You might not have had sex with her, but you most certainly got FUCKED
Your "friend" who introduced you to her was no friend at all.
Normally I would give you all sorts of shit for being dumb etc, but I actually feel too bad for you to kick you while you are down.
I hereby sentence you to go to the Newbie board and ask EVERY question you can think of, including the ones you think are dumb, or rather ESPECIALLY ones you think are dumb until one of us veterans gives you the all clear to go out in the real world again.
And under NO circumstances are you allowed to see this "provider" again until we toughen you up a little.
I'm not exactly a newbie, not sure I'd say veteran, but I didn't have any alarms ringing or anything, just by the time I thought about trying something, it was to late.
While that admission is likely to lead to additional jokes with you a the butt of them as this is a fuck site I must bow to your patients and tolerance with the girls. I'm serious about that. A lot of guys would be here cussing the girl out rather than owning their own responsibility for lack of initiating something.
I was afraid the post would trail off to random characters as you head exploded on that response. lol
You paid her to chat for three hours?!?!
No kissing
No cock sucking
No delicious pussy licking
Hunh?? WTAF?!
In the future, you must ask about GFE. No GFE = No $$$$.
Please read my thread titled 'Own Your Game' in the kgirls board?
Carry on bro...
I don't know what to do...BWAH!!!!
Man the fuck up!!!!
I'm 💯% with GaGambler, go do your homework!!!!
She hustled you...don't be a victim! Own your game!
When you're done at the newbie board, go to the kgirls board and read my thread titled 'Own Your Game'. Sleep on it. Tomorrow, read my review of LaLa and think about how that was only a 1 hour session bro...
We're just trying to help you. Unless you want us to refer to you as 'dumbass'?!?! Even that no good MOTHER FUCKER, Papa babo, can make fun of you at this point...
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C'mon man, the guy even got 30 minutes of off the clock time.
I think that you were expecting real services for 3k. I think that she, if she was a real provider, was prepared to provide more than chit chat for 3k. You didn't initiate. She didn't initiate.
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MOST Providers would help to get the ball rolling. Just read any of hundreds of Juicy Details, including your own. "We got naked and made out a little then SHE kissed ..." "... chatted a bit then got down to business. [SHE] Asked if i wanted a massage ..." "SHE" helps to move things along.
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As a 3k/3hr pro, I think she should have said or done SOMETHING, even if she just asked, "Do you only want to talk or do you want to do more?" But maybe she thought, "This guy is too nervous. I don't want to give him a heart attack." Or worse, "This is the easiest 3k I've ever made!"
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Based on the short description, I'm calling it a tie. You got all of what you didn't ask for. She did not deny you anything that you didn't ask for and she didn't try to upsell anything.
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"I'd really like to see you again, but at 1k/hr, I'd like to do a lot more." might not be clear enough in your case. MAKE SURE THINGS ARE CLEAR or she will bring her tuba or cello or kazoo and offer to do "more" of a music performance. If that's her offer, tell her that you'd prefer that she play the mouth organ or skin flute, both of which you can provide. If she says that she can provide "more" and sing for you, tell her you want to hear her sing on your finger.
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DO NOT SEE THIS PROVIDER AGAIN WITHOUT A MORE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE. It might be as simple as, "All actions, no words. Got it?" (But in your case, even that might not be clear enough or it will turn into a game of charades.)
Yeah, was 3k for 3hrs.
Not really. I'm definitely on the shy side and never needed to before. Didn't need to with the other girls I met through the mutual "friend".
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Maybe even under different name on TER.
It almost sounds like you hare okay with paying for a platonic relationship. If so you might do a search for rent a friend. There are sites that cater to such services. At the very least you might be able to get a market rate to mention to her if you don't plan on going beyond just the good conversation.
Guess I'm open to whatever happens. I know I'm not going to pay for her 'time' anymore, at least rightnow, but should I bother talking to her anymore or just cut my losses? Not really comparable to other girls I've seen. Like I've met some amazing women that I would love to spend more time with, but understand where things stand etc.
You mentioned someone else pointed you her direction. Is that someone you really trust as a friend or just someone you know engages in this activity?
If it is a real friend you might just as him what that was all about.
However, I honestly don't see how this can get better for you so probably best to just move on and if you're looking for sex make sure you're working with well reviewed providers here. They at least will not let the time just expire but will get things warmed up for you.
Update -- okay ask her what that was all about. She might be able to get something fixed and a shorter session comped by the girl to make up for things (or discount a much longer session for you)
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You said that you met her through a friend. You mean a provider? The barrista at the local Starbucks? Match.com? Seems to me that the how would have a lot to do with the expectations; both yours and hers.
And how did you know how much to pay if there was no clear set of expectations? Did the friend tell you how much? Did she?
The friend runs an utr agency. Met a couple other girls through her, things went well with them.
I think I’d call my friend who runs the utr agency and tell her what happened and ask her to speak with the lady and make things right. She is your friend and gets the lady clients and is in a perfect position to make things right. Maybe you get an hour free or extra time on your next date. Given the rate you paid I’d think both will want to make you happy. Just my $0.02.
just to talk? Is she some kind of therapist? Laffy's going to razz the shit out of you for paying money and not at least getting some "cuddling."
Well, no, but by the time I thought about doing anything, it was too late.
They're all going to want to see you. Lol
You met her, paid for 3hrs. by the half hour mark nothing had happened but talk.
First why would she try upselling or anything when she already has the money in her pocket or purse or wherever she puts it. many of these girls would be happy just to get the money and not touch you. Of course that doesn't happen much. But when it does they take advantage of it.
But you were OK with it and you want to do it again.
But you don't want to may too much or full service for not full service. You want to send her that message. I think it's perfectly fine. But what would she say?
hmmm, She could say something like this: You are paying me for my time. If you don't ask me for the service I would just think that you are dumb, gay or/and crazy and need somebody to listen to you cry. Maybe she won't say that but she would be thinking it .
On the other hand, she might say: "Yes, I enjoy our time together last time and I would like to see you for talking". If something happens you pay. But if not you can pay me less and you pay for dinner and everything.... yeah right.
That's one of the most expensive cosplays of Holden Caulfield I've ever heard of.
Book a naughty hot chick or two with a proven track record(s) of solid TER reviews and don't look back.
To actually answer your question, I'd suggest that you message her your desire to meet again and mention that you are looking forward to an even more intimate experience. If she's legit, she'll understand.
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Whether or not you should blow $3k on a session is entirely up to you. But know there are many, many opportunities to get laid by a sweet, compassionate, woman for far less.
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Life is good.
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The Cat
From a blow up doll to the real thing. I think you are in a fragile state and need to contact that provider and set up another session or two or how ever many it takes. There is definitely some type of connection between the two of you and she can help you with the transition. Good luck man and let us know how it turns out.
You really are a dream client. 3K for 3hrs and no kissing, no BBBJ, no nothing. Damn you are better than the client that has a tiny shlong and comes in the first two minutes. Ladies should be beating down your door to set something up. At any rate, context matters. Which is why it would be very helpful to know more about the mutual friend and how you arrived at the rate? Is the mutual friend a provider? Did she tell you the rate or the lady? Did you ask any specifics/attempt to clarify? Have you had a session with the mutual friend? What is the basis for the "friendship"? Clarifying that sort of stuff would be helpful.
My two cents.
- I am inferring that the mutual friend acted sort of like a broker setting this up. So why not basically communicate how you feel to that person and let her (presumably a she) suggest a way forward?
- If you really want to fuck her or wished that you would have fucked her, then tell her that - just tell her that in a respectful way. Or have the broker tell her that.
- If you want to see her again, then do so. Just ensure that you clarify expectations. Maybe ask her if she has a "social rate" and an "intimacy rate"? Or just one rate? I could see value in chatting, but at a rate of about 20% of the provider/intimacy rate.
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Talking to pretty girls is nice and all but I assume what you were looking for was something much more physical, especially if you’re paying 3k and all you’re doing is listening to her chatter. Even if that’s all you wanted, surely you could find a much more affordable woman to do that with. I understand the fun of speaking with a beautiful women and wanting to get to know her better, but ideally the introductory stuff should be over within the first 5 minutes, at least for me it is when it comes to hr sessions. When I do 3 or 4 hr sessions I’ll let the time lapse a little because typically those are women I already know and want to spend a little more time catching up with them, but I can’t imagine letting a woman chatter on for more than 20 minutes. After that, the clothes better start coming off and I’ll nudge her in that direction with some P2P and DFK action.
You got played. Yes, most escorts will take control of the situation for you, but some will passively wait for you to make a move. You paid for 3 hours, and the young woman was perfectly happy to ramble on regarding her day and what she does outside of escorting and how she plans to do this or that later in life and how nice of a listener you are, burning the time away so she wouldn’t have to actually do anything for you. I don’t care how good of a conversationalist she is, she took 3k from you and left you with blue balls but awe-struck with how nice she was even though you lost 3k and only got a nice chat out of it. I call that a scam, though technically it wasn’t because she really doesn’t actually have to do anything during those 3 hours except whatever you let her do. And in this case, that was talk, you let her talk for 3 and a half hours. And she’s 3k richer for it, and also probably got to use you as an emotional blanket. Good for her, not for you.
You can’t let a passive escort burn you that way. Get in there and start the show if she’s wasting your time. Don’t get awe-struck just cause some lady is talking nicely to you, get in there and kiss her. This isn’t your friend or love interest, this is a person being paid for a block of time, and regardless of what you decide to do you have to pay her, so you better get what YOU want out of it. And she doesn’t care about you except as an easy paycheck, if that’s what’s on your mind.
Don’t see this particular escort again. She’s gave you a “nice” conversation for 3k. She knows what she should do if a client is nervous or isn’t getting things started, but she chose not to, maybe because she convinced herself that you didn’t actually want sex or maybe because she was glad not to have to do anything, but either way, seeing her is not in your best interest since you need the girl to start things off apparently. She’s bound to repeat the same thing again unless you man up, but you don’t seem assertive enough to do that. So don’t see her again, I don’t care how nice she was to you, she’s still in it for the money and she’s 100% ok with taking your money and in return talking to your face for a few hours. She’s no good for you, avoid her. Find someone cheaper if you want to talk to a girl for a few hours, 3k for that is ridiculous.
Maybe. You are assuming that she was an experienced pro. That said, is not clear where she falls on the experience spectrum.
This is an extreme case, time and money. I'm sure some will ridicule. But I thought about this wearing my 'serious' glasses.
I've done something similar on a smaller scale. An hour session, and started talking with a provider I've seen many times. This time started yapping and then realized almost 40 minutes into the session. I was like, whoops, and started kissing LFK, DFK, started feeling her out outside of her clothes. Then started to take off her top and she made a motion to stop me, and I was pissed. Then looked at the clock and realized there was only 10 minutes left in the session. Mood killer, but that was also on me. I could argue she should have made a move to get things started, that happens often when I start talking too much. But she was happy to let me talk, its my dime and she was 'letting' me do what I wanted. If she didn't have to 'work' all the better for her.
On the flip side, even though on me at the end of the day, I haven't seen her since.
Check out Candice's page, etiquette.
Several bullets point down she explains she will not initiate the first contact with a client.
Actually she explains it all pretty well, which avoids misunderstandings.
... or is that balloon? ... a tumor? What the hell is that thing?
Check out Candice's page, etiquette.
...a man can...and while only using one arm!
Figured I was going to get shit for this, so not surprised at the insults, etc. I already have plans to meet someone else that I've met before that I know what to expect, and will give the fun I need. As for this girl, will see what happens. Worst case I ask and she tells me to fuck off.
OP says insult. I say tough monger love.
OP doesn't want our help GaGambler. To each their own and I don't count other people's money.
OP, your response reminds me of an old joke that I recall as follows:
A devout religious man lives in a house located in a flood plain. One day he gets a knock at the door. He answers the door and there's a policeman there who tells him he must evacuate since a great flood is coming and all will be lost. The religious man replies thank you for your concern but God will save me. The policeman leaves.
It starts flooding and the neighbor comes by. Same conversation. The neighbor leaves.
The flood ruins the house and the religious man finds himself on the roof praying for God to save him.
Along comes a firefighter in a boat and says get in! The religious man says thank you for your concern but God will save me! The firefighter shakes his head, tries again unsuccessfully, and then leaves.
The religious man ultimately drowns and dies.
The religious man arrives in Heaven and is greeted by Saint Peter. The religious man asks Saint Peter why didn't God save me?! The response from Saint Peter goes as follows --) 'What are you talking about?!?! God sent the policeman to warn you to leave. You wouldn't listen. God sent the neighbor to warn you to leave, you wouldn't listen. Then finally, God sent a boat for you to get in but you refused to get in the boat!!!'
The moral of YOUR story for me, OP, is for me to stay on the kgirl board and hereafter mind my own biZ!
Thank you OP for the lesson to mind my own biZ!!!!
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Maybe insult wasn't the right word, but whatever. If any advice was actually given, I'd be more than happy to at least consider it. Since reading comprehension is hard apparently, I'll spell it out, I'm not talking to the "friend" anymore. I've moved on. The girl I saw isn't actually a provider, at least not whatever you're used to, so this was probably the wrong place to come for advice in the first place. If anything, I need to learn to not ask shit on the internet 🙄
It's tough to provide real advice when you yourself seem unsure on your take. You don't seem mad, but rather content with what you got, and seems like you'd want to have more time with her like that, just not paying.
If so, I think what you said in the OP works the best. Ask her for a date and be upfront that you won't be able to pay her rates but also won't expect anything besides a date. I'm not sure how far you're apart age-wise, etc, but it certainly doesn't hurt anything imo. You're not losing anything by asking her out. You might as well talk to your friend who runs the agency and see if he/she has any input on this pretty unique situation. If she's UTR then maybe she's inexperienced.
If you want to spend time with her, but now with actual sex, you have to go through your friend and ask that directly though, in order to rectify your mistake from the first session.
If you were not content with what you had, you HAD to be more assertive, as people mentioned. To me, it's crazy to pay for sex and not get any. But I do know some people who just pay for escorts' time, so to each their own. Maybe the girl was waiting for your move but it never came, so she was content with it too. Very hard to say, since most people on here would actively try to get some pussy if they paid 120 dollars for a session, let alone 3k.
Just my 2 cents, and I tried my best at a serious advice here. I hope things become less muddy and more clear for you. I know I would be livid in your situation, but Id also try to make a move early on, so it's admittedly tough to put myself in your shoes.
Cue Air Supply's 'Lost in Love'...or better yet, The Alan Parson Project's 'Games People Play'?!?!
OP, I am super duper curious what conversation topics are worthy of $3k and blue balls...
I've had a fail before where I couldn't find the building entrance; PO canceled appointment on me. I drove the hour home, completely despondent, with my $220 in my pocket and blue balls...
Please Please Please share OP?!
Just fucking with you. It's all part of our Hero's journey.
Nevermind. Cue Lynyrd Skynyrd's 'Free Bird'...
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and throws a very clear light on the difference between men and women, which I think this whole hoo-haw is about.
Pretty sexy book also.
Kisses
Sheila
What?
for a foul tasting concoction called V8 vegetable juice.
What?
You paid 3K, for 3.5 hours. did not even took your pants down. What the fuck do you talk to a provider that even after two drinks did not turn into a sexual hint. Next time drop your pants, or put her hand on your dick. Yes, be a pervert or whatever, You are paying for her time, and it is not for talking. Though, I am curious about topics of conversation, if you care to post, may help others, including myself, with personal relationships.
I had to look at the calendar to make sure it was not April 1. Also, for 3K, I will listen to you, and no touchy, okay??
I've seen a couple people ask what topics are worth 3k or take 3hrs or whatever... Really? You never bsed with a friend or family member and realized it'd been a few hours? Jeez, I thought I was anti social. It was just shit we had in common and were passionate about.
I've read many of the reactions to your question, and to be honest, I think everyone is taking it kind of easy on you, which is admirable. We've all been there before, where the conversation is so good that time gets away from us. The main reason that this is an extreme case is because of the amount that you paid. I could pay off my car with $3k.
Nevertheless, a lesson has been learned. Never make more than 10 - 15 minutes of conversation. Either that, or do what I do. Start taking clothes off while you are talking. Time goes by slower when you are naked.
As for that "provider," you don't ever need to see her again, unless you plan to propose.
This "provider" and her "friend" (more like accomplice) most likely had you sized up from the beginning. NEVER underestimate the underhanded games women can play--they are VERY perceptive creatures and can spot things you'd never dream of. Sadly, I think they had you primed for the taking--a painful lesson. (We've all been there one way or another-but as the timeless saying goes: "Fool me once, shame on you..fool me twice, shame on me!")
I have had this happen to me, once, and not nearly at the $3,000 range.
It was a hustle. After 45 min she commented we did not have much time left, unless I wanted to buy another hour, at $600.
I felt like I was in a VIP booth at a strip club when the creepy floor manger pops his head in asking if you would like another 30 min.
Former porn star, talk, talk, talk. All I got was a BBBJ and to see her tits. That was it. BBBJ was not that good but I completed.
At first I was really pissed at her, but then I realized it was partially my fault for letting it happen. So if I want to have a chatty Cathy, I will book 90 min. I time budget,,,,,,30 min for talking, 60 min for fucking, pillow talk, and clean up. I never reviewed her, as it was as much my responsibility as hers.
A mentor of mine once said, "You learn more from a bad experience than a good one".
Sorry this is BS! NOBODY is stupid enough to pay Three Grand to chat with a hooker for the entire session! I call BS! Nobody, nobody, nobody is that stupid!
For all the accumulated experience here, it seems no one has ever read the disclaimer on nearly every companions' website. You know the one that says "you are only paying for my time and companionship".
Yep!
There are a couple of ladies in Connecticut working the same way. One is a tall, creamy white red head who goes by [email protected]
She is into at least two guys that I know of. One has given her part of his business at the rate of about $45K a year, and she takes him to "see" her lesbian lover, Miss Kitty. Kitty then proceeds to provide the desired outcome... and she gets her donation too!
the other guy has been supporting Sexxy Corona for 7 years. She's into him for about $10K a year. She meets up with him for a "night" about every month to month and a half. She's got him convinced that she can't accommodate him so they just snuggle. Sexxy Corona was introduced to Mr. by Miss Kitty - convoluted I know. So, they hook up for threesomes on a regular basis.
All that being said, Sexxy Corona has yet to be reported to actually engage in any intercourse with these gentlemen that I know of... and that makes her the smartest and best little provider of all!
Hahahahahahahaha!
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