I understand why women want deposits to secure a date – because there are more than a few men that flake and don’t show up.  Time and expenses wasted.

On the flip.  What if the reputable cancels on you?  What are the odds of a refund?  Deposits = Hard pass for me.  My choice.  This has be extensively discussed.  

if the business was legal and there was some legal recourse, and also if there was a 3rd party holding onto the deposit until the deed was done.  Just like when you buy a house, a deposit is made to prove you are a serious buyer, but it is held by attorney or escrow company.  

She ruined it for me. NEVER again.

Deposits aren't required for your price point K-Girls.
Neither are reservations at MacDonalds when you take the K-Girls for dinner dates.

One doesn't just haphazardly send them to businesses, or in this case, providers, without doing your due diligence. Here are my rules:
1) I need a woman with a lengthy and solid track record of acting professionally, in all walks of the business, and especially with how she handles her cancellations and deposit refunds, if something should come up and she must cancel or reschedule.  
2) I don't send deposits to new or unverifiable women. I will reach out and try to see some of those ladies but I would not send them a deposit.  
3) I don't send deposits through cash apps.
4) I won't send more than 33% but have very rarely been asked for more than 25%.
5) I only send them by gift card (of the ladies choosing) and through my encrypted email account.  
My rules have worked for me just fine and in no case have I ever been stiffed.

If a lady is so busy that I have to "reserve" her time with a deposit, then she's too busy for me.  

read Curly's post, above.  It's NOT like any other business, because its illegal.  Therefore, you have no recourse if you get scammed for the deposit.   Are you going to sue her to get your money back and admit in court that you were breaking the law by soliciting?  You might as well tattoo, "sucker", on your forehead to take the guesswork out for the scammers.

I respect the fact that you take ownership for letting the little head get a hold of your wallet.  I don't care how well-reviewed or highly esteemed the girl is; I won't part with an upfront deposit.  When asked, I try to overcome the request with references, etc., but at the end of the day, if it's a deal-killer, then I accept I'll never see that particular chick.

If I see "deposit required" I keep scrolling.  I have reviews, and several P411 "Okays" that vouch for my safety and reputation, if that's not enough then it's just not meant to be.  All this bs about being willing to make a deposit so that the provider knows you are serious about the session is just that, bs.  I venture to say that many of us clients are married or have a S/O and jumping through these loopholes is just ridiculous.  I miss the old days, look at an ad, make the call or send the P411 request and 45 to an hour later you're at the door.  

It is the same with regards to my research but I should have been more clear about it so point taken. And I don't give that much $ to worry about getting "scammed." Its typically only a few hundred dollars and much like gambling, I don't risk more than I can afford.  
I have forwarded dozens and dozens of deposits and have never been burned. I only see professional women with impeccable reputations which obviously lowers the risk substantially. There is always risk of something going wrong with anything in life. I don't mind risking a paltry amount of money to meet with a fantasy woman.

Yes, you are right.  But this 'woman' had a reasonably believable website plus some TER reviews (at least when I checked) checking off #1. She doesn't appear to be 'new' (#2) I followed #5 in your list.

24-48 hours notice, deposits, RL screening info...how did we get here?

With the "back in the day" nostalgia. But it does seem as though P4P had a real sweet spot back in the early 2000s up to a couple of years ago. Lots and lots of pretty and often beautiful girls, reasonable pricing, minimal screening, reviews to weed our the flakes and ROBs, no deposits, and even the occasional M&G.  

I will say I ALMOST fell into that one, if it weren't for yours and others reviews!  Thank you for that

What if she opens the daughter to her uncle? Her day job co-worker? Her best friends father? Many women provide in the area they grew up in, so what is your proposal so she doesn't get humiliated?

What does a deposit have to do with avoiding folks she knows?  Surely they are as able, and persuadable, to put up a deposit, as strangers?  
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This is a change of topic from "deposit" to "ID" -- a whole different kettle of scrod.

I was addressing the last sentence in his post re: p411 and verification and his comment about jumping through "hoops." Many guys want to remain anonymous, and I understand that but I was just pointing out why some ladies require more than references/p411. No one seems like they have an answer to this problem.

I guess it just mirrors real life. Remember getting a mortgage or buying a car just a few decades ago? It was a fairly simple process. Now? Omg. The paperwork has increased 10 fold.

I believe nothing in his post (the one you replied to) mentioned verification explicitly.

Your bankroll management has nothing to do with risk mitigation. You're just saying how much money you will be wiling to lose. And for those who don't want to lose any money, I believe (at least speaking for myself) I'm OK with missing out on some potentially good experiences if I can negate all the bad experiences simply by skipping the ones requiring deposits.  

For me, and I respect your view, I look at each date separately, on that particular girls own merits and reputation. It has worked very well for me. It may not work for others and that is why you don't see me telling others they are wrong how they play.  
But in that same vein, I wouldn't want anyone telling me what, or how, do to something and I am not saying you, specifically, are saying that, but others have. And if the deposit and screening are skewing towards the provider then so be it. Business cycles change. Sometimes the buyer has the upper hand, sometimes the business i.e. the providers have it. It ebbs and flows.
I am not on a crusade to make change. I am here to meet hot women whom I am attracted to with personalities I feel would be a good match with mine. In addition, I look for sanity and a good, fun loving nature and certain sexual compatibilities. If I have to jump through a few more hoops than I did just several years ago, it is a small price, imo, to get maximum fun from this lifestyle.

Based on the admittedly unscientific sample I've seen on this board, you're in a crowd of 1.

You may not believe in universal answers, but there are general guidelines. And especially guidelines for people who are not well versed in research and are gullible.

Right, but the gift card deposit was sent to the email address on the website, not on twitter.

Its possible that the deposit is still on the card - I should check that, but the warning about deposits and making them is a valid concern regardless.

Exactly the reputation is everything in this business and takes years to build. Tour is rough as well. I don't do deposits unless the person has cancelled before. But I understand why many ladies do especially when I have had all my appointments no show or cancel in a day before.

You correctly point out that this was a scam ad. However, you fail to recognize that scam ads abound... a single scam ad is not not a huge issue, but abundant such ads are.  

I tend to call last minute and take whatever timeslot is open.  I usually call girls I've seen before, or will pre-screen well ahead if a new girl catches my interest.

I think you've made one of the more reasoned responses in the thread but I think come down too hard on the comment. The fail mode by the OP was clearly identified and a good lesson learned for all on the board to keep in mind (what's the old saying about fools learning from their mistakes while the wise learn from other's mistakes?). Moreover, names were named. I was originally going to comment that it was good to see the guy posting that information -- and still think more should be willing to call out things with specifics and not just anonymous stories -- but get it right. I think that is the biggest point about the noting the OP was scammed rather than a point about deposits per se.

Transportation costs and additional time (time is $) can be hefty fees and there is still a risk that the client cancels after the provider has stared her journey or that he no calls/no shows at the outcall.  
Speaking for myself, I haven't had any reputable providers scam me out of a deposit. Due diligence is key and quality research a must. That doesn't guarantee anything but greatly places the odds in your favor. I do agree about a limit to the deposit. Mine is 33% but rarely have I paid more than 20-25% but again, if I do take a loss one day, I can financially absorb it easily. I totally respect your right to not risk more than 10-20%. Everyone has their limits.

"Due diligence is key and quality research a must"

I've been hobbying for seven years.  I've never placed a deposit down.  Why?  Because I refuse to use a credit card.  I run a few cash businesses so paying in cash is 100% for me.  Nothing to tie me to anything.  

If asked, I would then tell that person what I would do in that particular case, with that particular woman. I would apply my research skills, again if asked to do so, and would advise based on my rules I have posted previously.

Never once have I ever used a credit card to send a deposit. There is no need. I use cash too.

And if you were asked about non-particular woman and you knew that the person in question had bad research skills and is highly gullible? And you yourself  couldn't do research either since its not about a particular?  

How could I give advice on a non specific woman? Each women brings separate reputations to the table so my answer would/could change for each individual case. It would be like you asking me who I thought was going to win an NFL game this weekend, I ask which one, and you reply "no specific game, just games in general." lol.

OK.  First things first.

I agree, FOSTA-SESTA being the main reason TER went dark, and it also eliminated a substantial portion of the playing field on alternative sites.  So now instead of being able to find something quickly, we have to sift through these sites where it's GPS galore.  

GPS Galore -- is that a James Bond villain name?

Do you think somebody stole her identity?  Anyway, thanks for heads up as she was on my list to see. Not anymore.

I  agree w this . There was a period for me in 2012-15 when the hobby was at its absolute peak - plenty of new providers , reasonable donation points and a whole host of different types of agencies. The only constraint was my budget and how frequently I could find time in schedule. Maybe it was just that more providers discovered the ease of doing this using online tools, smartphones became mainstream, hotels were still cheap etc .  

Unfortunately that is the case, not sure what the deal is yet it continues probably not able to scam as much in that TER knows and Tryst P411 ads are down. HE yes he bragged that she’s been inactive for 3 months.

People do ask advice about hobby in general. Many newbies are really new and don't have the research and knowledge of the game at all. This happens in many other hobbies, areas of expertise and so forth.  

Imagine youre a hiking expert. A newbie comes in and says I'm a noob should I do easy trails or medium trails.

Yes

Never placed a dime of deposit and never will.  

Usually on her tits.

mouth, but when they are as old as the ones you see, they can't help drooling it back out onto their tits.  Lol   (You tee'd that one up, my friend.)

you'd have done a better job with it.
(see how that works?)

In my defense she was inquiring about one, not insisting one one.  Also she's Plus size, which back then we used to just call a fattie. Anyhoo, that's besides the point..  

After all, if a librarian can be a superhero, why not an archivist?

Hey bud,

time travel.  He can go back to the past and get a quote at the actual time it was created.  Lol

in the past i have given several "deposits"  to well reviewed providers i had seen several times before and in every case when it came time to cash them in ....   "oh that was a gift"  or i dont remember that   etc etc  

Clearly YOU are an exception!  Would have no problem giving you a deposit before our appointment.  Someone else, NOT!

As long as it's reasonable, I don't mind. Got burned before, but that was a single provider, haven't have that issue since.  

I've done a $100 deposit before.  While I would hate to be scammed it seemed doable.  The woman was Karen Fisher who is well reviewed and known.  The session sucked but she was worth risking a small deposit on.  

I have no problem dropping a bunch of Franklins for a fun time, but only when we're in the room together.

If you've EVER had a bad experience regarding a deposit (as I and more than a fair share of folks have)--you will stay away from ANY arrangement with a provider requiring a deposit forever more!!

if you ever visited a sugar baby site ..  or whatsyourprice  or seeking A.   all those sites clearly state that you should never send a girl a deposit and in fact a girl asking for money before meeting is grounds to have her removed from the site !