both my atfs have other careers... one is an actress whose professional she has shown me on youtube. the other is an executive in the automotive rental business. another lady friend of mine is going to graduate medical school this year and plans to become a doctor.
but that's irrelevant to my post. i think this works here: internet trolls are really psychopaths and sadists, study saysI have no doubt that some escorts have other sources of income. This can include stripping, Sugar Daddies, running an agency, acting as a scheduler etc. These sources of income are all forms of sex work.
Does anybody believe they have real careers beyond sex work?
Does anybody believe they have real careers beyond sex work?
check out my other career. Alas I suspect you just like the controversy you cause with your posts so it wouldn't be worth the risk to my other life to bother trying to put you straight.
My other career is very mentally taxing and at times I find it too exhausting to be at my best in it so I take breaks to travel and this work not only funds that travel and flexibility but it's fun and more physical and less clinical than my other work.
Just because I chose to do this doesn't in any way mean I'm not equipped to work outside the sex industry.
Not everyone wants to do the same job week in and week out for their whole working lives
Agreed.
My other career is very mentally taxing and at times I find it too exhausting to be at my best in it so I take breaks to travel and this work not only funds that travel and flexibility but it's fun and more physical and less clinical than my other work.
Just because I chose to do this doesn't in any way mean I'm not equipped to work outside the sex industry.
Not everyone wants to do the same job week in and week out for their whole working lives.
Three escorts I've met in the last five years all work away from the sex work industry. Most importantly we cannot forget the full time, under payed job of motherhood. The others are legal assistant and computer consultant.
D.
...and spends her days teaching high school history...
Your OP is invalid...
From what I hear, he's a total fraud who hasn't got enough fundage to play with the ladies. It has made him a very angry person.
Nice try at slander but I probably spend too much on hookers. Unlike you I don't make it the focal point of my life.
One would never know.
You are the one who screens for girls to get free pussy. LULZ!
Now tell us again about the many hours you spent at the Mitchell Brothers theater staring at pussy.
LULZ.
Man, you are funny. I did business with those guys in the late 80's. In case you have not heard both those guys are dead. I have not set foot in the MBOT or any other strip club in 20 years.
Trust me, when you see the other side of it behind the scenes you don't stare. I will admit the first few times I went upstairs it was hard not to stare at the large circular dressing room. Ultimately, you become almost desensitized to all those naked girls.
The patrons (girls called them ATM's) never seemed to get tired of it. The various stages/rooms are downstairs. We were upstairs often playing blackjack, drinking and snorting cocaine.
I submit as Exhibit B how much time you have spent on the thread alone, answering virtually every comment. Pot=Kettle=Black much
he has adopted the BBFS4ever party line, hook, and sinker.
I need someone to be Dean of the BDSM School.
Interviews will be conducted with safe words and a hitachi wand. LOL!
Interested?
I'm still getting my name on the building right?
and relative to Alex too. I already told you I'd hold you harmless on that one.......
1. ATF was a waitress--she worked in her aunt's diner.
2. SB was a hairstylist. She worked in a salon and cut hair, including mine.
3. Another provider worked at the YWCA, assisting battered women.
4. Another SB was a full-time college student--she'd often ask me to proofread her papers, omg.
As you can see, Providers/SBs are regular people, just-like-you. In fact, you may a female relative who does P4, lol. --z
both my atfs have other careers... one is an actress whose professional she has shown me on youtube. the other is an executive in the automotive rental business. another lady friend of mine is going to graduate medical school this year and plans to become a doctor.
but that's irrelevant to my post. i think this works here:
internet trolls are really psychopaths and sadists, study says
I am not interested in your dime store psychology link.
I could understand an actress since that is usually part time work. I can understand a girl using escorting to finish school. I find it hard to believe that an "executive" can have a full time career that can take 60 hours a week and still be an escort.
Trust me, I know how many hours you have to put in in order to be successful at that level. That's why when I made the money I wanted to out of my corporate career I went on to something else.
First, I find it interesting that your definition of a "real career" is only a corporate job which requires up to 60 hrs. per week, lol!
Aside of that - the same way that our corporate working clients find time to sneak away from the office for long lunches and "dentists appointments", ladies who have time intensive jobs are typically part time sex workers, who make the most of those windows that they can find.
I know a few teachers.
A waitress
A struggling actress
A paralegal
A hand and foot model
A musician
A stock broker
A few who are a receptionist or in some form of customer service for fortune 500 companies.
A trust fund baby and a dental hygienist.
I know I am forgetting a few. I would also like to add single mom which is a job in itself.
Does anybody believe they have real careers beyond sex work?
additional source of income. Maybe you are trolling the bottom of the pool and finding the 15 or 30 minute quickies at the no-tell-motel?
Among those I have met:
Event coordinator
Model
Bartender
Small business owner
Actress
Salesperson
Real estate agent
Teacher
Caterer
Administrative assistant
Home care attendant
Just saying.
Don't you feel like a giant douche now?
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Event coordinator
Model
Bartender
Small business owner
Actress
Salesperson
Real estate agent
Teacher
Caterer
Administrative assistant
Home care attendant
Just saying.
Don't you feel like a giant douche now?
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I know 3 (rather highly positioned) women in the corp world that provide, on the side. The only reason I know is that, sadly, one or more of the men they've seen as clients did not have the good sense (or, enough respect, or discretion), to keep their fucking mouth's shut, and bragged about it----in the orafice. Suffice to say, true or not, rumors travel.
And curious minds....
It's definiately true. Not, that I care one whit. But, to answer your question: Yes. Why so hard for you to believe? Do you think women who engage in sex work are unable to manage anything else?
Can I sell you a clue?
Does anybody believe they have real careers beyond sex work?
And curious minds....
It's definiately true. Not, that I care one whit. But, to answer your question: Yes. Why so hard for you to believe? Do you think women who engage in sex work are unable to manage anything else?
Can I sell you a clue?
Does anybody believe they have real careers beyond sex work?
I don't remember seeing your vacation request plants. Lol.
And all the while she was developing a business and eventually , while at the top of her escort business gave notice she was quitting. Much to the dismay or her many regulars. By he way, does any really believe you have a brain?
Does anybody believe they have real careers beyond sex work?
And for those who are strippers etc, who cares? They are manifesting the lifestyle they choose. This world for women is about freedom and entrepreneurship! Is there some problem with women making a strong and independent life??? Some of the most emotionally free women I have met are not traditionally educated. That does not make them the bimbos that you are trying to corner them into...it makes them women who did not perhaps have the opportunities to choose traditional paths to formal educations whether that was due to their lives with their parents or some stumbling block like substance abuse, mental health issues,bad relationships/domestic abuse, financial challenges, and/or fierce independence in spirit. Perhaps if you find one of these ladies, you might want to support their education if they so choose that since you find this subject one of scorn.
I do and I know there are others like me...I work only one full time professional life rather than the two I used to work prior to hobbying. When I say I am well educated and well traveled, I am honest. Grad school and 4 continents do not lie. This is a lifestyle that being honest is just Devonshire cream on delicious sweet decadence!! If you ask me to produce truth...well, bring your diplomas to me and we can swap. Not trying to be off putting, but honestly I find this so masogynistic.
Ladies, do speak up...shout out!!! This so hypocritical...if you do not find our attention valuable, do do look elsewhere. Otherwise open your heart, your soul, your body and truly explore and enjoy. For those who enjoy our naughtiness, come taste the flavor of so many different women who have common traits of openness, sensuality, and a true desire to please you!
I don't know why my original post seemed so offensive. I just find it hard to believe that girls who are available during business hours and tour have full time careers.
I have no problem with girls getting into sex work. I do find most web pages (with high level degrees) pretentious and I find it hard to believe that someone with a great career in the corporate world would take the legal and social risk of prostitution.
Oh! I've been misunderstood! Let me rephrase that! Waaaaaaaahhhh!!!
This is your most pathetic post ever.
It is judgemental...based on false assumptions. You are so wrong...yes, there are young ladies or even older who are financing education that they actually have time to do by being able to optimize their income enough to find the time to study and succeed. Motherhood is also improved by being able to be home when your kids are there- and still having enough to pay bills. As for your again judgmental stance on what even is a worthy job and the hours to devote to it...again pretentiously stated, we are from all walks of life. I personally can block my time in a way to tour or to see day hours during some days of the week. Many upper execs have flexibility just like their clients who come to them to be able to get out of the office liberally.
As for your comment that seems to be reality testing the idea that women with higher paying careers would never risk going to jail...we do not sell sex. Perhaps you purchase it...but we offer our time to explore and fantasy realm if two comsenting adults find themselves with mutual desire to do so. This is my kink to...Being well educated does not prepare one any less or more for a jail/prison. How dare you assume that this is a desparate act of a poorly educated woman...cannot imagine that hobbiests would continue to come to that sexy thought!
There have been college students who have graduated from sex work. The ones I knew quit hooking/stripping after graduating.
I still can't believe there are ladies with demanding careers that could possibly do more than an occasional dabbling in this business. You can't be a slave to two masters.
and in a more succinct way? (ie, do hookers have real jobs?)
He would ask do "prostitutes" have jobs/careers.
It looks like the board is being subjected to a "troll off"
I have never been a fan of BBFS, but he is a much better troll than OTM.
You think don't pay taxes like any other "career oriented" people... We do, some of us have LLCs etc....
I re-read my original post and I think a reasonable person would know that I was asking about these high end "careers" that some claim to have at the SAME time they escort. Obviously I hit a raw nerve with my post. That answers my question!!
Well I'm hoping to have a "high power" career after escorting.... I'm not spending all this money on my education on nothing, with all the money I've made in the last 3 years of escorting I could of bought a frigging luxury home and plus....
I wish you the best but trust me a real world "high power" career will require a LOT more time and give much less freedom than an escort career. Mark my words.
I personally know three nurses that worked as providers and one of them who has risen high in the profession and still sees some clients. I know a physician who until her remarriage provided and a lawyer who did as well.
O know a lady who travels for work as an engineering consultant who offers excellent services while on the road.
I also know some graduate students who provide (one who is working on her PhD) but they will probably not continue whether cheers are launched.
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I have no doubt there are girls who have real careers and dabbled part time. There were two like that in my area. They were available 2-3 days a month after business hours.
I maintain that it would be impossible to have a full time demanding career and do more than just occasionally dabble in escorting.
fast food up to high tech management.
It's quite an interesting array
No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
well, on second thought.....
So after all those messages, both from providers with "legit" jobs, and clients who know what their dates do outside their sex work...you still don't believe that a woman can work 2 jobs? Please go to the Urban Dictionary and look up the definition of "shit for brains."
A real career is 60 hours a week, To provide full time they have to be available weekdays 9 AM to 7PM to service the tricks. They have to screen, schedule, fix themselves up, rent hotels etc. Then there are the touring girls. They usually take off one week a month.
Just because you want it to be true does not make it so. You are the "shit for brains
I'm also a “mature” man. I've owned several enterprises over many years and have been involved in this life for 40 plus years. In that time I have dated many women in this life and now, as an older single man, the only women I date these days are pros and SBs. My experience is that MANY of the women in our little corner of the world are talented, smart and very quick to learn.
Your assumptions: 60 hours a week is required in a "career”. Nope! Maybe you worked 60 hours a week in YOUR career, but one can be very successful on a flexible schedule requiring less hours.
Woman have to be available 9a-7p to service tricks. OMG man, what the hell are ya smoking? Many of the women I know who have legit careers and businesses (and yes I know they do, I'm a financial partner in some of them...hahaha) do P4P as their primary social outlet. They do nights and lots of weekends and stay very busy. These kind of women don't do "assembly line" sex work. Then again, some of the women are really "full time" pros and many of those women don't claim to be otherwise employed.
Some of the women who have jobs that require travel will throw up an ad and see a client or two when she is on company business trips. Just saw a women in my home city recently and that was exactly what she was doing.
Let's face it, your one size fits all doesn't work in this day of flexibility. C'mon man, don't be one of the old farts who can't change with the times. My young girl friends have taught me to be an early adapter, translation: Old dogs CAN learn new tricks. LOL.
LMAO...............You assume that every hooker is telling her tricks the truth? They never lie? If the second job is part time or they infrequently provide it may be possible.
A real career is 60 hours a week, To provide full time they have to be available weekdays 9 AM to 7PM to service the tricks. They have to screen, schedule, fix themselves up, rent hotels etc. Then there are the touring girls. They usually take off one week a month.
Just because you want it to be true does not make it so. You are the "shit for brains"
Your assumptions: 60 hours a week is required in a "career”. Nope! Maybe you worked 60 hours a week in YOUR career, but one can be very successful on a flexible schedule requiring less hours.
Woman have to be available 9a-7p to service tricks. OMG man, what the hell are ya smoking? Many of the women I know who have legit careers and businesses (and yes I know they do, I'm a financial partner in some of them...hahaha) do P4P as their primary social outlet. They do nights and lots of weekends and stay very busy. These kind of women don't do "assembly line" sex work. Then again, some of the women are really "full time" pros and many of those women don't claim to be otherwise employed.
Some of the women who have jobs that require travel will throw up an ad and see a client or two when she is on company business trips. Just saw a women in my home city recently and that was exactly what she was doing.
Let's face it, your one size fits all doesn't work in this day of flexibility. C'mon man, don't be one of the old farts who can't change with the times. My young girl friends have taught me to be an early adapter, translation: Old dogs CAN learn new tricks. LOL.
LMAO...............You assume that every hooker is telling her tricks the truth? They never lie? If the second job is part time or they infrequently provide it may be possible.
A real career is 60 hours a week, To provide full time they have to be available weekdays 9 AM to 7PM to service the tricks. They have to screen, schedule, fix themselves up, rent hotels etc. Then there are the touring girls. They usually take off one week a month.
Just because you want it to be true does not make it so. You are the "shit for brains"
Every girl has told me her busiest times are weekdays when married men can get away from the office. I will concede that it's possible to do part time providing while having a career.
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Of course there are professions that require strong commitment in certain time brackets, but there are literally scores of small business catagories that don't. And law?, Yeah, probably not a lawyer (professional responsibility and all that) but one woman here is a very successful independent paralegal. She started a firm and now has three people working for her. She does not work set hours and does some of her best work with research and doc prep in the middle of the night cause she's somewhat of an insomniac. She's also a busy, highly reviewed, escort. I'm currently seeing a woman in her 30s who is a competitive athlete in a very challenging sport that consumes a lot of time in short bursts. She has plenty of time to work her magic as an escort at other times.
These are not the exceptions I'm talking about here. I know some women who do internet based business that's not even tangentially related to P4P. These type of businesses give them the flexibility to do both successfully. There are more of these kind of women entering our little corner of the world every day. They are ripping up the stereotypes which you seem to rely on.
Your OP on this thread was overly vague and judgmental. Probably would have been a correct assumption 10 plus years ago, but not today. Maybe you actually learned something in this discussion.
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Well, everybody is shaped by their own experiences. I just have not seen very many that had full time careers. Some left their jobs because of the kind of money they could make in escorting.
Maybe things are changing because of the internet. I did know of a girl in my area that started her own paralegal business. but left escorting as soon as her business took off. I'll take your word for it on the girls you know. It sounds risky though. If the regular career takes off there is a chance they could lose it if ever busted or outed.
Since somebody said earlier that "BBFS4ever" brought this subject up previously I looked into it and there are posts from a retired hooker in that thread that are interesting.
From "ChaChingChump"
"There may be some women with careers who dabble in the hobby for extra cash but men hobby predominantly during business hours so my guess is they're not in it for the $$$$. Maybe just the thrill. Once in a blue moon a former hooker may hook up with someone during the evening but the motivation diminishes. If she's career busy, that's her focus therefore yields little time for getting into her hooker persona mojo brain, screening, keeping an incall, booking a hotel and everything else required to stay safe. So having done both, I'm 99.999% sure there aren't any hookers front and center, who are juggling a demanding career posting on this board. There's just no time for both. One's going to suffer because we all have to sleep. "
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Is that everyone has their private lives whether they have families friend's or even their day job beside from escorting.
So yes I believe these ladies may have a real career and it's us to respect that.
You mean regular women with regular jobs?
Example 1, she is a mortgage company underwriter.
Example 2, she works at at healthcare company customers service call center.
Example 3, she is a student at a nursing school.
Example 4, she is a front desk receptionist at a law firm.
...
Those jobs often do not pay well enough for her standard, she can earn more, and likes meeting men ... nowadays, they can select who to meet who not to meet; often there are more reasons to do it than not.
With internet information widely available, it is not difficult for a normal female to cross the line
I travel 70% of my time for my career. While I absolutely love what I do it's an incredibly high stress job where I must forecast trends 2 years in advance, keep a vigilant analytical eye on the markets, analyze future cost vs prior, negotiate, attend trade fairs, schedule development, interact with a variety of people etc. Oddly, all details that a companion also must do.
My job is lonely. Constantly on and off planes, sprinting between meetings, sleeping in, while beautiful, non the less still impersonal generic hotel rooms, eating meals alone. Again, quite similar to a companions.
Having added companionship to my life and career has helped fill a void that otherwise, unless having tons of meaningless flings, was not being met as well as giving me the financial means to launch my own company on schedule.
Anyone who travels often, man or woman can tell you it's a lonely, tiring job being on the road all the time and skyping with my live in lover at home, while nice, doesn't measure up to actual human interaction.
The similarities between both my careers is striking, and women who provide companionship should be applauded for their ability to do all that they must to run their business. Honestly, the amount of detail and multitasking required makes my corporate job look like a walk in the park