Using the world acclaimed TER scoring on appearances...would you really "turn your head" if you saw many of these gals (that your fellow reviewers, myself included) have generously given out 8-10 appearance scores?

When a lady has a phat ass, I always take notice.

if she does provide and what the experience would be like.  God put the female body on earth for guys too salivate over.

I'm reading that you see some IRL hotties...but since the TER scoring stops at 10 how can the IRL 10's be compared to the ones that your fellow reviewers are giving those 8-10's to?

out there is there .... well here the is and even rod found his 10/10 gee this place is great ...;..

Why is it frowned upon for man, to exploit the most lovely resource on earth ?

there are 8 to 10's in abundance. I've had several friends visit from the east coast and they are amazed at the amount of hard bodies running around. Going to the grocery store is great! Most of the milfs are either in their spandex workout clothes or yoga pants. Makes shopping fun! And bolt on's are the norm.

Females were put here to help keep men n check I believe. If not 4 women men would just lay around eating and gambling haha. With the addition of women, men now have incentive to be clean, hunt, gather, and refrain from public displays of scratching/burping/farting

Yes. Absolutely. With the 9's and 10's I'd be picking my tongue up off the ground.

Exploit: to use selfishly for one's own ends: employers who exploit their workers.....perhaps it wouldn't be frowned upon if a man ENJOYED the most lovely resource on Earth instead....

Possibly - depends on the mall though - but I am a middle aged horndog who would nail nearly anything that moves.  8 to 10 at Phipps Plaza in Atlanta would probably get missed - at Northlake Mall, they would stand out.   Yeah - TER 8-10 is inflated.

Are only going to accentuate the positive.  

Like any other natural resource. Example: if I sold you a piece of land for profit. My actions would be celebrated... if I sold you time with a lady for profit, my actions would be demonized.

A TER "J-Lo" ass is usually a real world "Jell-O" ass.

I no it's not a comforting thought. For the sake of discussion, I am viewing females as a resource, not as women or people. While asking this question

as asinine as trying to rate her performance on scale of 1-10

I'm sure getting ogled gets pretty tiring. I've been with a few knockouts and they know how to dress down and blend in. I'm sure there are "10s" among us that fly under the radar.

The girls I saw really were 8,9, 10 and we'll deserving of it IMO.  
As for the hot girl walking in a mall, of course I'd notice.  What was the question again?  

Every lady I reviewed here would definitely still turn my head, if I saw them out and about. I stand by my ratings.

But I have seen 8's and 9's around in the world. most women fall in the 6-7 categories.  I am perfectly happy to see a gal whom I consider a 7 or above.  Even a 6 is OK if she has 7 or above in service.  In real life, looks are relied upon too much when judging how they think a gal will perform in bed.  Looks are not everything.

I suppose an IRL 10 would have to be about a 16 on the TER scale.

I know the answer you are going for, and I have to agree. IRL 4 = TER 7-8, IRL 6 = TER 9-10 IRL 10 = TER OTB.

Truth be told I stopped paying much attention to the TER numerical scoring system years ago. Except to make a mental note to myself that a lady who routinely gets 7's here, most likely is too homely for me to even consider seeing professionally.

I'd like to change that in the future.  There was a civie or 3 that was a 10...  back before the dawn of time.

But was actually asking if guys would change scores to reflect the IRL scale on their TER reviews.

Just enjoy the eye candy, and if the opportunity to hit on them presents itself, well, then go for it!  As for comparing them to the ladies I know, there's no comparison.  A lady in bed with you without clothing is as good as life gets, and if she's not attractive to you, then why are you seeing her in the first place?

Have you ever googled, "celebrities without makeup?" If not, try it.

I think my appearance scores are justified, and I'm sure plenty are.

Looks and sex are 2 different things. I've been with some pretty hot guys and yet my most memorable and best partners haven't been model types. Coincidence? I used to think so. But now not so much.

Though I am hardly qualified to sit on the board for the Universal Association for Beautiful People, this shit is so subjective that it's astounding to me that y'all continue to argue about it, especially in terms of a numerical scale. Beauty is entirely too abstract to suggest that one guy is being "too generous" when he dishes out an 8-10, or "too critical" when he dishes out a 1-3. There are way too many factors to consider, way too many variables, and way too much subjectivity when it comes to standards of beauty that it's just asinine to try and qualify it with something as concrete as a number.  

I was commenting on whether any dudes here would consider modifying their "appearance" scores if given the chance.

If you remember the Revenge of the Nerds movie the "Jocks" were duds because all they thought about was football where as the "Nerds" weren't because all they thought about was sex  

I would say for the reasons you mention about why some of these guys just have no standards is the other half.

Even in the civvie world I am with guys who literally drool over women that I wouldn't fuck with Tardwell's dick. I mean these guys think that women who are fortyish and 40 lbs overweight are drop dead gorgeous and fawn over these manatees. I guess when your wife is 60 and 80 lbs overweight it must do something to your standards. lol

My point was simply that MY perception of beauty is that a gal who is a 10 in my eyes is just that.  The question is how often have I (or you or anyone else) seen that 10 IRL.  

and I want to preface this by saying I really don't think I am all THAT great looking....  
But I must have something attractive emanating from my being (more attractive then the average beaver.. haha) since there has been many many occasions over the years that men have noticed me out in public, recognized me, then contacted me saying  they HAD to make an appointment after actually seeing me in public while my photos didn't do that much for them on the website and in ads.    

I particularly love the dudes who give nothing but 9's and 10's and babble that they are "picky" in who they see...hence the 9's and 10's only.  But only a few who commented on this thread actually get what you and I are saying.

I've only given one 10 for appearance ever, Dodda Venett (when my TER handle was Stimulus-Package).  She is drop dead gorgeous, IMO.  Been in public with many for whom I've given 9s and 8s.  Heads turn left and right when we go by, and they certainly ain't staring at me.  At least the ladies I chose are much better looking than the average civie woman.

And very much close to home.  My wife considers Mr. Depp to be the Hottest Male on the Planet Earth.  And that is extraordinary... not that she would consider him hot, but that she would have a physical attraction to ANY male (very low libido, and other issues).  I've had providers and other women tell me I'm "model material".  (And yes, it is not lost on me that I paid for that opinion from the providers.)   But my wife doesn't think I'm so hot.  To each his/her own.  

most women who do this are above average, meaning they are between 6-7, nice to attractive...which is completely fine because the goal is to have sex and not to stare at someone, I believe my average is right on point, above nice.  

looks (speaking for a lot of women in general) as looks only go so far in many depts here. You always wonder about the beautiful woman with the not so attractive guy...well there's your answer. It's simply about 'treatment' and a serious 'connection' that overrides all that other stuff. Hell I've dated many 'model' types and that was all fine and dandy, but yet like Cosette said, personally some of my best 'connections' intimately were with gentlemen on the complete opposite side of the coin. And those are the encounters I remember...and well. Truly mind blowing and great learning experiences to be able to be with 'all' types of men....and to never judge a book by it's cover, cause you just never know what's underneath.  

they should remove the scoring for looks. Let people themselves make decisions based on the pictures whether they want to call her 5, 7 or 10. or 11...

I HAVE seen a woman I'd had a session with out in the everyday world. Not in the mall, but sitting in a waiting room along with another half dozen of us. I didn't review this woman at the time of the session, but if I had I would have given her very high marks. Maybe a 9.

I've done a lot of dinners with gals I've reviewed and watched many guys' heads do a Linda Blair and nearly walk into walls.  I am specifically thinking of Destiny Delight, Kayla Daze, Rasha, Vivienne Emanuelle, Brenda Boobies, and Chloe Carter.  I gave all these gals either a 9 or a 10 for looks and I think most of these gaping guys would agree.
I attended another dinner at which Devin Davette was the date of another monger and she got her fair share of looks as well.
Probably the most blatant was a late dinner with Vivienne, during which the male at the table next to us couldn't stop turning his head to stare at her every 30 seconds or so, despite the fact that his mousy wife was directly across from him.  I bet he still hasn't gotten laid.

women I have been with in the "boudoir" than they would get out in public. Mainly because those girls exude so much sexiness and come off so dam hot from the way they interact with me. I use more than just my visual senses when scoring them but do realize that some of my 9s would only be 8s or possibly 7s at best out in the everyday world. One of my ATFS in particular only has to get next to me and my heart starts racing!

there are degrees to the subjectivity and on I am on the camp that the average of the numbers do tell us something meaningful as long as there are tons of scores to make a meaningful average, subtracting the review manipulations.  

The Hotel Coral Essex.  But at night...

Of course, it also doesn't hurt that I've got a HUGE.......................................wallet.

What brought me to TER (and Vegas), were all the ladies that are 8+.

It's because he has a fatter wallet! Be truthful here in the civie world you even consider dating the assistant manager of Walmart for any length of time anyway chemistry or not. If your answer is yes ok I will take your word for that.

But I think he's referring to a pimp who makes money by exploiting women.  In the case of an independent provider, of course, she's exploiting her clients' need for gratuitous sex.  And that's fine with me.

Iono. One of the most beautiful women I've seen in my short life was strolling around in Rising Sun. Perfect auburn hair, a great but and a walk to die for. Not all IN girls are bad looking.

EOM

in the civvie world after being here in p4p. Truthfully, I haven't really thought about it to be honest. I will have to surmise if and when I ever go back, which is very, very doubtful at this point, as I don't even look or think of that world anymore, I am certain things will never be the same after being here. This world can change you forever and not in a negative way, but in a positive way in that it can help someone view things perhaps a bit differently than before. Perhaps a clearer sense of things that weren't ever clear in the civvie world and the experiences there. I'll try and explain if I may.......  

This exploitation thing is a stone in the shoe. A man kills a deer, drags it back to camp, and shares the meet with the most desireable woman who will agree to suck him off for it, it's as simple as that.

Part of the reason that entering this business ever occurred to me, was because guys looked at me a certain way when I was in public...men I knew, men I didn't know, men I didn't want to know. I can't be alone in that...it seems obvious that women who are desirable to men, might eventually figure out that they can make some money from that fact rather than just enduring stares and  cat-calls...

and I keep spare neck collars in the car for unexpected whiplash. And O2 for hyperventilation.

Of all the places I personally was ever cat-called or hit on, the mall was not one of them. I shoot down your analogy.

And I can count the number of posters here who've actually met me on the fingers of one hand. The rest of you will continue to grasp at air.  Sometimes, hot air! LMAO!

wallet Nick, LOL, but you did touch on an 'interesting' topic and what I call...'The Social Setting' in this world. Now, I think I would wager, you quite enjoyed going out to dinner with these gorgeous women and in having them on your arm perhaps 'almost' just as much as the bedroom setting beforehand. Is that a correct assumption?

sexual identity and moral crises. A simple case of "transference" here, in the classic psychological clinical sense.  

First of all, it's impossible for me to compare the pleasure of sitting across from a beautiful woman at dinner with having hot sex.  I'll take the latter every time.  But, yes, I do enjoy the company of beautiful women, especially when they're smart and funny.  And I happen to deeply appreciate the whole vibe of a woman who embraces this lifestyle.
I really have no idea if any men looked at me and "measured" me because of my companion.  In fact, given the beauty of the ladies I listed, I don't think many of the men even noticed me.  If they did, I'm sure they wondered -- briefly -- what the hell is she doing with HIM?  Then I'm sure it occurred to them I must have lots of money.  And honestly, I don't ever recall seeing any guy give me an "Anonymous Nod of Approval."  I can understand why you might think that, but most of them passed like ships in the night, on their way to walk into the nearest wall or be beaten by their wife.
Last, if you meant that my dates start with sex and sometimes end with dinner, you're right.  I prefer it that way but am happy to switch things around if she wants.  Also, most of these women are friends with whom I'll spend OTC time on a regular basis.  It's like dating in reverse, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
There are many ways to enjoy this world.  Mine is only one of them

always notice 'her' first but you hit the nail on the head and my point...'after' they noticed her, they most certainly notice... 'you' being 'with' her. Maybe you've never seen it personally yourself, but OMG if I told you how many times I've seen it. Two guys singularly looking at each other, complete strangers, 'after' he's scoped the lady out, with that 'you go dude' look and that quiet, small lil nod hahaha. I'm shocked it never happened to you quite honestly, especially with the bevy of beauties who've entertained you over the years and you, them lol.  

Sorry, but...keep thinking of stuff...

consider "any gal that gets naked with me being a 10."

than any other area in the USA.

If I were on that bed with him, the sheets would be MUCH more disheveled. Christ he's beautiful.

He's also 50 years old.

Looking at ladies asking myself, "would I pay for an hour with her?" And if so, "how much?"

For me it is all about chemistry.  And I have been with women who were visually fabulous but for one reason or another, just simply a turn off.  Chemistry can be purely physical for a while, but eventually the true person cannot be hidden (unless you are oblivious.)  The complexities of the soul, the mind, and the woman are what turns me on.  Not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be pursued.  It is all about the journey.  If the path is a straight line, then any idiot can follow and stay on the course.  What challenge is that?

yup your a fun one like your older sister with the new weird name ... yes I don't like it...lol  

I'm actually telling the truth about my days of youth

Girls were drooling over me....    

ya gotts ta save that 10/10......ooops you didn't ..

I mean, if I'm with a gorgeous woman, why would I be looking at some dude? I don't need his validation.  And I'd much rather be looking at the lady.  One thing I can tell you for sure, she's always looking straight ahead.  She doesn't need to see anyone else's reaction to know she rocks.

I stand by my appearance scores because they represent how I felt AT THE TIME; I don't much care about arbitrary standards of beauty or what anyone else thinks.  In fact I gave 10s for doubles where I gave 9s to the same ladies individually because they just glowed in a threesome setting and were more beautiful to me.  That said, I reserve a 10 appearance score in a one-on-one context for a lady that gets me hard just looking at her, and there's only been one (so far) where that's been the case.

She is one of the most beautiful providers ever in this biz. I'd also put Natalie Chase in that category. NC was one of those women who I felt intimidated by the first time I met her. Svedish women rock

I know this is off-topic but I had to respond because it finally puts into words what I have been feeling.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH! I do the same, but from the opposite side. I provide customer service to middle aged men in suits all day in my day job, and the ones I'm particularly fond of (usually the ones that bring me coffee or ask if I want something from Chick-Fil-A), I think to myself, "Damn, I wanna fuck him for money." and "I wonder how many pops I could get out of him in 90 minutes." I find myself being more attracted to silver foxes in suits than guys my age in Wranglers and cowboy boots.  

Men always say that us ladies working as escorts we will be scared for life.

Hmmmmm....

But I'd still do him every other Wednesday, lol.

They are so thin that the clothes hang on them on purpose! Swimsuit models don't have the same type of body but are still models. Plus size models are still models so a gentleman who likes a size 12 or larger lady would still think she model material because he's probably seen pics of "real" plus size models with similar looks.

The list goes on but hopefully you get my point!

Steph (one of the old broads)

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I don't know if subjectivity can be regarded in degree or not (can Judy's opinion be more subjective than Jane's?), but I certainly see what you mean. Plus-size models are relatively new. Swimsuit, yes, that's a different body type. And then there are artists' models, where the ones who get the most work will have other body features that pay off-- good bone structure, long fingers, smooth curves, toned muscle, veiny limbs. Sounds kind of sexy, in a freaky way, when you start listing them.

based on my preferences, so most that I've seen would certainly get looks from me in public, and would get the same rating

because it implies that is the ideal.
For instance, I like women 5'4" and under.  They aren't "model material", but are better than the taller "model material" ladies for me, all other things being equal.
Also, I like women with a bit more curves than the typical idealized model stereotype.
Because of this, I've never taken the 9 instruction too literally.  For me it simple means a beautiful woman who is just one notch away from the otherworldly iconic beauty that I can't take my eyes off of which a 10 would represent.

I respond negatively when I see an ad where the provider is urging me to, "Check out my reviews!" Not a deal breaker, it's just one of those things. Like "Highly educated," which makes me flash on descriptions of dogs that are "Well Trained."

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What people here in the shadowed world pretend to be way too cynical and worldly to admit might exist are matters of the heart. Romantic love is a relatively new discovery to humankind. Before Shakespeare and maybe Cervantes nobody talked much about love. Nobody understood that feeling very well. They understood lust; they understood responsibility; they understood betrayal; they understood possessiveness. But they don't talk much about falling in love. The Bible, Greek and Roman Literature, all the ancient dribble have lots to say about carnal relationships, family, seduction, betrayal, and so forth, but before "Romeo and Juliet" references to young men meeting young women and falling in love are damn scarce.

Point taken. As I stated before, it was a very broad statement. You are right about one thing, a lady ALWAYS looks straight ahead, always. But just don't think she doesn't know what's going on just because you don't lol. Women have eyes in the back of their head. And only a lady can say that, as you can only speak for the gentlemen here I'm afraid.  

You are here because your 'normal trusting relationship' shattered you. Women are here perhaps because where they came from as well. The answers are endless. But that's not my point. I happen to disagree that being with 'one' woman can be defined as 'normal'. That is a statement perceived by the masses and what society has instilled in you and your 20+ years. To 'break' habitual thinking is nearly close to impossible for some. But if you can free yourself of that even if for a moment, you might just understand a bit clearer the 'why' you are really here. Stop the questioning and simply.........enjoy the ride.  

'Old' is in the mind my dear friend. Think 'old' and you are 'old' I'm afraid. Depp here is proof of that. No one would know he was 50 unless you pointed out he was. While he's the complete opposite of what I'm attracted to (2 artists would butt heads, it would not be pretty lol) I like this personally............but nah, I think I'll keep it to myself

resonated with you on some level. But I am sorry to hear you had to endure an abusive relationship. No one on this planet deserves ill treatment from another human being. Period. But it sounds to me like you've taken a hold of what 'wasn't' working and are working at what 'is' working. And that is all that counts. Kudos to you pretty lady. Don't look back.....ever.

the same thing when stuck in traffic.  I look around and think "where are all the good looking people".  They gotta drive but I never see them.  

Of course, it's not anything I lose sleep over.

What's that old saying about why ugly/fat girls are the best at blowjobs? Because they have to be. I guess the same goes for guys, because I can also say my best lovers were not model material... except for my child's father lol. He had it ALL

or I should say it's very, very 'rare' that I do. I'll make one exception today and like your post because of our 'discussion' lol. I'll go do that now just for you LOL.  

Rod, when I was in my mid 20's, I met a gal whom I fell deeply in love with.  It was my first 'true' love.  I had been with whores, I had had a few dates with a couple of civvies, but this gal was my life.  We spent every waking moment together, we moved in together, we drove in to work (carpooling) together even though I had to drive miles out of my way to drop her off and pick her up before and after work.  We clicked and made sense in my head.  The sex was frequent and awesome.  We had been going out a year and had settled into a comfortable routine.  I even started saving for a ring.  I had been totally faithful to her the entire time.  I was infatuated with her, she was my world.  Then she started getting distant with me.  I asked what was wrong, 'nothing' she said.  Then I found out she had cheated on me and when  I confronted her with it, she broke up with me.  I was devestated.  My world shattered.  Two years later I met and married my current SO.  In the intervening years between break up and marriage I threw myself into the hobby like a motherfucker.  Must have spent 3K a month if not more.  Something had broken inside me and I've never ever had that kind of whole soul love that I had with the first girl.  To me, while I still adore women, I never, ever let them own me to my roots like that again.  Its not about looks, or service or fidelity.  Its about me at my core.  No one will ever own me again.

But turn to look? Never.

Yes you are sexy looking.  Considering I haven't met you and haven't read your reviews, my brain tells me, yeah, she's cute, I could see myself with her.  Now on aesthetic scale of worldly beauty based on societal norms and just fro the few pics I saw on your ad, you would be scorable in TER fashion, yet to my mind, a score on looks is less than a score on performance.  Once the sexual interest is there, the "chemistry" and service take over the session IMHO.  If you are average (or in your case, slightly better than average) its all about how we treat each other in the end that makes for greatness.  Not that I'm heading out to the West coast anytime soon, but you get my point.

I'd even let him put it in my butt.

and looks aren't everything by a long shot!  (You look F-I-N-E, fine BTW). I like a nice Crazy Bitch, too - they rock!

Hooker is in the mall and hobbyist sees her and in his head rates her a 6. Months later, he books the same hooker who then gives him a great BJ and his review reflects her appearance score as an 8.

Love your response.  He is getting dangerously close to your upper age limit, though...

"No one will ever own me again".  Or if I may, you will not give yourself away again that completely

and I've never even met her and probably never will.  But in spirit of this thread, she has a beautiful mind and attitude that makes her an automatic 10 for me.  A great mind trumps most physical flaws (not that Tobi has any physical flaws) but a great-looking woman with a head full of rocks or bad attitude is a quick 3, regardless of her enthusiasm or sexual performance.

It makes the older farts like me feel better.  We may not be studly handsome anymore, but we try hard to be gentlemen and make sure that our partners have a great time.

Don't know how you are going to change the minds of random guys to fit your ideal. But keep trying, it's fun to watch you get steamed up. Seriously if those over 40 and 50 and fat are getting paid to fuck, well, not much you can do about it. Except piss and moan i guess.  

fat, over 40 model. And when I was in advertising WAY back,one of my clients IRL wanted me to model some of the new spring arrivals at an outin the sticks country club luncheon/fashion show, lol. They had me in some ladies golfing outfit, and I did the stone faced runway model face, did the walk, at the end of the little runway thingy I took off the little sweater wrapped around my shoulders, had it in one hand, did the little turn, flung it over one shoulder, looked back at the people at the luncheon and smiled and they clapped. Oh those were the days-LAMO.

Steph (one of the old broads)



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Have you ever noticed how 90% of "mall people" look or is this just a southern mall thing, lol?

OMG quite a few morbidly obese people walking around as well is some crazy ass looking young people. I mean WOWIE!!!

So a pretty lady stands out like a sore thumb! And I still turn a few heads but they all seem to be the 55-75 year olds that aren't breaking their necks looking at the 20 year olds because they remind them of their daughter or even worse, grand daughters. Ok some are on those scooter thingys!

Steph

Nomnomnom, yes I could eat him up! And, it certainly wouldn't take a million dollars either! I think he'd wear me well. rawr!

Thanks, Taylor.

it seems like the only real loser in this whole sad little story of yours was you.

Virtually everybody here has had his/her heart broken at one time or another, you seem to be one of the few that has never gotten over it. The good news is that you are still in your twenties, and in thirty years or so you might be sitting here calling some other 20 something clueless.

I don't think CPA is mad that women over 40 are getting work.  I think he's mad they lie about their age and that WKs still give them 10s.  There is a difference.  I'm not even sure he's irritated, though he does give a good impression of it.

But don't let some of these posters know that  LOL

But you might take another shot at him before the new nuptials...

Might be exactly what a guy sees in an older woman especially if he is not comparing a 40 your old to a 20 something. And how is any guy going to stop guys giving 10's to women they feel don't deserve them? Way too subjective and someone is always going to disagree

hat I have come to grips with is that people will treat you whatever way they want. It is up to us, how we ALLOW others to treat us. As far as relationships go, some of us are not made to adhere to the societal norm and some of us just don't want the boredom that inevitably sets in with a long tern relationship.