Hey guys & gals -- take a look at this report:

for if you read studies on unprotected sex including gay anal sex where one partner has HIV the odds of transmission are far lower then you would believe -    it is just that the result is so significant if it is transmitted -    so there is no such thing as a 100% likelihood of transmission...  for *unprotected anal sex* with an infected top,  the rate of transmission has been established in the area of 1.4%.....    

...two otherwise equal providers, I'll choose the one that offers FC2 every time.

They are more expensive and are very difficult to find OTC.  No major chains that I know of carry them.  Walgreen's is supposed to but they can't be found in the stores.

Providers don't want to pay $2-$3 per condom when they can get them for free at Planned Parenthood.  Very shortsighted if you ask me.

Some providers also complain about the way they look but I think they'd like the way the increased stack of Benjies would look on their dresser if they used them.

Providers: take the time to learn about FC2.  They're not difficult to insert and they give the guys a lot more pleasure.  They're worth the investment.

TER thinks the FC2 is important enough that it was recently added as a search criterion to find providers who use them.

but the rest of your post I agree with 100%. When you start with a flawed foundation, everything built on that foundation will be exponentially flawed as well.

If the numbers that the OP claims were actually true, AIDS would have decimated the human race at a level exceeding the bubonic plague.

listen to GAG..this man knows his shit..

I agree on the feel and enjoyment of the FC. For you high volume humpers, you can get them for 1$ each. Check out Condom Jungle. All you have to do is by 1000 of them 8>)

On the one hand, they do feel great. Problem is, it looks like there's Saran Wrap hanging out of her pussy. And that ain't sexy at all.

Markus,
I agree that sexual transmission probabilities are between .05% and 2% per instance of sex, varying by type of sexual encounter. (I was trying not to point that out, because it's good for the whole community if more people are scared about the transmission probability of HIV.)

You're not allowed to be scientific about HIV around here, I mean

They for sure solve sizing issues, in both directions.  I have adopted them for that.  So no slipping and no friction/tearing issues- possibly that helps.  
But otherwise, I'm not a huge fan...  It's just...too..much...condom.

I'm not sure that providers are too cheap to buy them.  When you spend a range of $50 (low) to $700+ (high) on a one hotel room for your client(s), an extra $40 for a months supply of protection is not a big expense.

and its use by economists to be akin to "statistics' - in that it belongs in there with "lies and damned lies...."

The second time I got to see Tobi she mentioned using them in an email. I wasn't going to argue with her since you know, getting to use them with Tobi is pretty fucking cool. When we used it I couldn't believe the difference it made, it made it feel like there wasn't anything between us. My vote is yes as long as there's some form of protection I could use either.

...the inner ring and applied the FC2 on me like a regular condom.  Worked fine and no Saran Wrap view.

All I care about is how they feel and I have to agree, they are the closest thing to "wearing nothing at all" that I have ever experienced. Much, much better than even the thinnest of male condoms.

You might as well start off with the answer that you want to arrive at and back calculate the numbers. If you have any experience in financial matters, you should already know that people do that kind of "math" all the time. Indexing is just another word for manipulating numbers to make them tell the story you want them to tell, and it makes the conclusions completely worthless to anyone but the person making the pitch for a certain POV.

Both your logic and your methodology are deeply flawed, and because of this, so are your conclusions. GIGO

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... pretty cool.  As for safety, tomorrow is not guaranteed to anyone so I'm not worried about the difference between male and female condoms in that way -- but female did feel a whole lot better.

you've never, ever looked down to watch your cock going in and out of her pussy?  I sure have and my guess is most guys do.  And believe me, seeing a fringe of Saran Wrap down there ain't a turn on.
As for BP's point, all I can say is I've had a FC used about half a dozen times, including once where she put it over my cock and mounted me (also another gal put it over a dildo and inserted it).  In every case, you could see a fringe of plastic.  In fact, if you can't see the outer edge of the FC, there's no way for you to know you're not bare-backing her.

Mostly for his comfort then for mine. Reg latex condoms dry me out too much. FC's don't leave a nasty taste either and it is easier to switch from oral to intercourse for him. Didn't know about the HIV prevention %, that's also helpful. I get my FC's from various clinics in DC, and yes they give me A LOT because no one else is in there requesting them. I can easily get 20 every 3-6 mths when I go to get routine tested. That's a lot more than I use! I have extras! LOL!

I do have to agree that if you "didn't know" you "wouldn't know" lol

sorry, but if my dick is happy, I make peace with my eyes. I am not going to dwell on a fringe of wrap sticking out of her vajayjay.

If it bothers you that much, you could always stick with mish, or simply turn the lights down.  As for me, I am a fan, and I can certainly live with the visual.

I think they look like ballon bottoms.
The first time I saw one in. I made a joke like it was a balloon.
I pulled on the sides, and made a squeak sound..
Like I was letting the air out..
She didn't like that.

A freaking trick telling a hooker that inserting a FC is not difficult. Make a video just so we can see what you mean

If you go back and read my post, I think I said the FC feels great but I just didn't like the look.  To me, then, the FC is a "mixed bag" I can take or leave.  My preference would be for a really good condom like Crown or Skynz.

Removing that can result in the condom getting tangled, or breaking---providing no protection at all.

Thanks, but no, thanks! I guess I must be the only horny boy in town that does not like them. I tried them with three different ladies and hated it each time. First off, my dick pulls the damn thing out of her pussy. I can hear everybody tuning up to sing, "you have to make sure it's lubed properly"  and, "she has to have it inserted correctly". Gimme a break! As far as feel, I felt like I was fucking a well lubed Cinch Sak. And then there is the look. And yes, I like to look at the pussy at every available opportunity.  

LOL....agreed. Although Planned Parenthood gives out free condoms, they only give a handful now (5-10) once a week, and they are generic brands that tear easily. Back in '05-'06, they use to give you a paper lunch bag full up to twice a week....but again, generic brands that would break & tear. I would much rather spend the $8/box on a reliable, brand-name box.  

Or maybe you could show me how you insert one in your vagina in person, maybe a Youtube vid so we can all see how easy it is.