Hollywood and Manhattan who become film producers and stock brokers to feed their addiction.

Where's the sympathy for them?

Occasionally I find myself in these conversations with my wife and kids where I'm understandably uncomfortable but do my best to hide it.  If you know the song "The A team" by Ed Sheeran, it is about young drug addicted women (Class A drugs in the British system include cocaine, meth, heroin derivatives, etc., thus the 'A team') who will 'sell love to another man' among other sad realities of their lives.  

everyday here on the boards!  

Seriously though, I do not know how ANYONE can actually fk on cocaine, meth, acid, etc.  Alcohol and pot...maybe the REAL X, are all I could ever even think about being intimate on, and I've never done any hard shit like Heroin or PCP. When I ran an agency for several years before doing this myself, I was amazed at how many girls used cocaine and meth whilst doing an appt. I guess if you get used to it, it's possible, but never understood it. Just drinking 2 glasses of wine, will have me blowing my date money on Black Jack, so that's what you have to consider.

A doctor friend of hers worked with street walkers in the South Bronx and she based all her assumptions on what that woman told her.  When I tried to explain the very different world of TER girls, she didn't want to believe it. But, over time, she came around (details can't be aired here).  I'm lucky in that virtually all the people in my life know what I do and don't judge.  I know that's unusual and realize how lucky I am.

By supporting, say gay marriage, at the principal level, is not going to make your wife suspicious about your sexual orientation, is it?  

Also.. Just so you know. I call a fat gut I work wit Squeezy La Beef everyday. :

This is an interesting thread..Would I be doing this if it wasn't for the internet? Hell no.. driving around , picking up women on the street.. nope, not for me... so the internet, I feel has become the worlds largest brothel..and allowed many folks to pursue things that they never would have thought of before the internet. How many of the providors here would have become one if it weren't for the internet.. Sure there were places you could call.. but there is a lot more free will now.. and that's all good.. One of the issues with perception is that many have ideas about escorts being drug addicted and abused by a pimp.. I'm sure that happens of course.. but it's possible to stay away from that with a lot more certainity.. I have zero issue with a woman deciding to make extra cash or a living as an escort as long as she is in it for herself and not for someone else..good for her & if she really enjoys her work, all the better.. for her and me..

Than drugs . The idea of easy money , okay take kids at college girl finds a friend who found a guy.who pays to fuck her ? Has a bf that got sex for free and broke up with her or needs cash and reads the stupid article about 1500 covered bj ?? If you have kids a conversation is necessary ( do not want to know or get involved in you personally , general statement ) to explain the allure of certain things and the end result .....maybe your SO was trying to convey what could happen with drugs more than being a prostitute ....?

If you can find a way to teach your children that we are made up of a lot of things, there is not one single thing that defines you, then you'll have a better chance at avoiding raising judgmental beings.

going out on SW patrol is def not going to happen w/me. Step to the cyber-ranch and possibilities exist. I think in the world I've experienced, the pimped-out, drug-addled provider is nonexistent or a very, very rare exception. It's a shame that so many people can be so ill-informed and closed-minded, although I'll confess to having shared some of that stereotypical thinking before finding the hobby a couple of  years ago. A learning experience in many ways.

Was JUST gonna say something similar. What about all of the Wall Street Walkers? Snorting coke just to make it through board meetings, exploiting the evils of capitalism to pay their mortgages and their dealers. It's a tragedy.

You used to run an agency? How come you never mentioned that before... like .. Ever!?!?  

I hope my future daughter becomes a hooker.

Good answers folks.  Let me reiterate that I in no way want to disparage providers. I would love to counter my wife and say "Don't teach them that shit" but I really can't, in front of her anyway.

That must be tough and I don't envy anyone's position that is similar. Raising kids must be hard enough without having your partner not believe the same intrinsic values you do. However, you should fight for your values to prevail, not because they're yours or because people on here may agree since they're partaking in the activity, but because your wife holds true misconceptions. It is not a matter of debate, it is a matter of fact that stereotypes about the adult industry are just that - stereotypes.  

I played this game back in the mid '80s and, while it's very different now (and much better), you didn't have to just go with a street girl back then.  I only did it once.  Lots of us found cat houses in town and would go from one to the other seeking what we wanted.  You could walk into a room and choose from a half dozen or so nice looking girls.  No blurred or photo-shopped pix, you knew what you were getting.  And no need for reviews, it was all covered (except on special occasions).  Not as good as it is now, but not half bad either.

Allow your children to think for themselves and be sexual beings; your boys and your girls----accompanied by all of the appropriate guidance, and course corrections, of course.  

Dear Ms. Belle:
Think a little bit bigger than that. You want her to be an entrepreneur recognized the demand and then develop an organization that is so elaborate that she will have people working for her. You want her to identify the market,deliver the product and get the revenue for doing it. If anything, this is more of a conversation starter for when people talk to her about mainstream employment. It takes a lot of intelligence, business acumen and know how to organize this.  If she can do this,while organizing personnel, booking hotel rooms, buying supplies at wholesale prices and making sure people get paid. Those are skills that are coveted by the mainstream community. If anything, you should be having her get an informational interview with London Rayne or Dennis Hof so she can learn the business. Once she masters the game she will be on top because at the age bracket that she would begin to recruit from more than likely they will be young, hungry and poor.

I have never understood why it's illegal for a woman to exchange sex for money. If she so chooses she can legally "give it up" it for a number of other reasons, or for no reason at all, it's THEIR bodies.

would be to see some legislative changes that impact a reduction in tuition expenses. Tuition has gotten out of control; even at state colleges.  

you could explain to your wife that in many (most from what I hear) cases marriage is nothing more than state and religious sponsored prostitution. Does she make love to you whenever you want it?  

No it is not pimping her out. It is acknowledging that there is a demand, learning the business inside and out and mastering and implementing her skills in such a manner that she maximizes her revenue because as we all know college isn't cheap.  Henceforth that is why if she wants to do this she needs to aspire to the highest level so that she does the least work and she gets the most return. The same way that Giovanni Ribisi had people working for him in Boiler Room. She would be coming in with the most knowledge of the game so why wouldn't she take her knowledge and make sure that her tuition and books are paid while still keeping the appearances of a normal family women. You have her thinking like Ernestine Drake while I have her thinking like Heidi Fleiss.  That is after she learns to keep a low profile and becomes well schooled and nuanced with the activities of law enforcement.

 "...some women become prostitutes because their lives are terrible due to drugs.  And of course i'm expected to echo that sentiment that prostitutes are sick, unfortunate people. 
 
Having become more Libertarian lately I of course think this is bullshit."  

Seriously, DL?  

I can almost hear the whistle of the joke going over everyone's head.

I became a sex worker because I can now make in an hour, my entire monthly student loan payment. I'm 20 and my loans are nearly half paid off, and I have time to work on starting my own business, which is something none of my friends who are still trying to find full time work while working at Starbucks can say. I didn't "resort" to escorting. I tried the other route and it didn't work. I made an informed decision and I love what I do.

You really think that I'd tell my daughter "hey, this shit is expensive, I'm gonna need you to start hookin" when I get her first tuition bill?  

I'm sure it's every parent's dream to have the opportunity, as their daughter heads off to college, to introduce her to a few successful sex workers that will mentor her in becoming more successful the business.  

I asked if you really wanted your daughter to be a hooker to cover tuition. I get that you said that in some jest.  

Chime in and say,  

I'm saying, straight-up, very directly, that no one should ever be in a situation in which they feel that getting an education, or managing the associated debt, requires going into prostitution to do so

I assume 4 year colleges. I assume going untill you graduate. What happened that at 20 your loans are half paid off?  I paid mine off over 10 years, at over $1500/month. College/University is a privilage not a right.

Going to colege for "no other reason than to get a college education," is a waste of society's resources. If she pays for it herself or by someone else willing to do it for her, then great. That is their opportunity. But when my tax dollars support it, or she takes a spot that someone else could use to be a fully productive, working, contributing member of society, then  going to college for no other reason than to get a college education is a waste.

I am here willing and able to give these college women the opportunity they want. Again college is not an inaliable right. It is a privilage.  

My indy friends are NOTHING at all like the gals I met back in 05...it just so happened that was when I was doing the agency thing. I've never just 'met' gals from other agencies unless it was one I was affiliated with, because our paths would never cross. It's just not the same as having a meet and greet where you invite ONLY Indy girls and the guys they see. There is a very clear difference from street walker, to agency, to your hourly Indy, and then finally your high end courtesans that would never post on TER.  

I do what I have done, so my child will NOT have to. At 18-22 that absolute LAST thing on my mind would have been to go fk old men for money....it never even crossed my mind because I didn't have to. I had parents that pretty much gave me what I needed. It was not until after having a child and realizing just because you have one or two degrees, that the jobs are not always going to come flowing in, that I took the plunge. I have sooooo much respect for women who work 3 jobs to get through school or a waitress who has two kids to support, who would never take the easy way out like I did. Well maybe not easy, but fast money.  

I've managed to get mine down to about 600 a month, but I also have a mortgage back in New Orleans and rent in Destin...it's not easy. I am thinking it will take me 40 years to pay off loans, but I would rather take my time, than have to fk 5 guys a week for years on end to do it. I would be burnt out and jaded in no time, having to sleep with that many people. Far too many people use things as an excuse of why they HAVE TO DO THIS. Um, no you don't have to do shit..you CHOOSE to do it. No one put a gun to my head...I came here because I wanted to, not out of desperation, not to pay for college when loans are so easily handed over, and not because I could not have gotten a job and lived just fine. I did it because I wanted fast money to save, buy a house with, and put my daughter in a private school that happens to be six fkin hours away! Many of us make sacrifices to do this....it's not all about fun money, globe trotting, and designer shoes. It's about putting a plan into action and sticking with it. I said I would retire before 35, will be 32 next year, and long gone before 33.  

Only a person who does not have children could be so naive and ignorant as far as some of these responses go. CPS call waiting to happen...

I've been to several M&Gs where there were both indies and agency girls.  In fact, one this past spring had the heads of two agencies there.  I was surprised, but there was a close affiliation between the two.  One was arrested not long after that.

And, the fact is most of them CAN'T get their shit together or they would not have to work from their own homes lol. That's about the dumbest, most ignorant practice I have ever heard of. If you're charging over 300 an hour and can't afford to book a hotel,  you are either a total idiot when it comes to money mgmt. or not charging enough. So yes, some do need to be schooled on the basic no nos of this business, before they 'teach' another person anything. Some can't even wash their vagina properly...um, gross.

First of all, how many young women are going to go to their mom and tell them they want to hooker their way through college?  None is my guess.  The only way that could happen is if the kid already knew mom had been a hooker, so I'd say not many do.
As for the rest of it, if I found out my daughter wanted to provide I'd try to talk her out of it.  Not because I think there's anything wrong with it, simply because it can be a difficult and sometimes dangerous job.  If she insisted, I'd tell her everything I knew so she could avoid making mistakes and I'd tell her to keep asking me questions as she went.  I might even put her in touch with savvy women I know.  And, no, that's not "pimping her out."  Because pimping means I'd be benefiting financially from it, which I'd never do. All I'd be trying to do is help her be safe and successful.
This is more than completely hypothetical, as I have a daughter who's young and beautiful and could probably be a successful provider.  So I've thought about my feelings on the subject.  But, as I said, it's hypothetical and will never happen.

Vagina Washing 101.

I find the fact that you seem to think of sex work as selling yourself short appalling, actually. Would you rather we be crushed by debt or go into sex work for some other reason? I didn't start hooking out of pure love for the art of sucking cock, is that the problem? In my ideal future, when I have a college-aged daughter, I'll hope that sex work is decriminalized to the point that the business is not as risky as it is now, if she chooses to go into it. If she comes to me and says she wants to go mommy's route, I'll tell her everything, the good and the bad, and help her make  an informed decision. I won't force anyone to do anything nor will I judge her or the girls who do this because the idea of paying for tuition in this current world is extremely daunting and terrifying.

Exactly. There is a reason that business for sugar daddy sites, that directly target college students with 'opportunities' for tuition assistance, has increased %300+ in the last decade.  

Pathetic...and the world wonders why our educational system is in the shitter. These are the future graduates...maybe lol.

And express your opinion diplomatically.  

Make sure you can do it for her so she never HAS to.  If she wants to that is a whole other kettle of worms, but if she is brought up right then it shouldn't be a desire of hers till she is old enough to know how much she does or does not enjoy sex and figures out her "lovin" spots.  That takes time and is never an automatic.

Kinda' something to think about…

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Not brought up at the dinner table.  Just when the song comes on the radio and the kids ask what it's about.