Let's skip all the posturing on the evils of BBFS. I hope you'll assume for the duration of your time reading - and hopefully participating constructively - in this thread, that we have all read and understood the data on unprotected sex and made our own informed (yeah, yeah, debatable, I know) decisions.

So she can service more clients with bbfs.

A bare stripper slide which was not asked for, nor really appreciated.  Told the gal so too!  One minute we were DFK and groping, the next she jumps on while I'm freaking out.  She tells me, relax, I'm not putting it inside, just rubbing the underside with my labia.  I told her to get off me.  Just like that.  We covered up and continued but I wasn't happy and have not repeated.  That was a coupla years ago and have since tested clean several times.  Scary shit man.

I wonder who knocked up that $400 hour provider that had a miscarriage.... What about that one who charging $350 an hour up in you fill in the blank lol.

Pregnancy is not a worry for me. I had a vasectomy a long time ago. But that's not the issue. I'm trying to understand what I need to know or change to better handle this situation.

I can't understand why either party would see the need for BBFS. Sure it feels great. But....DANGER DANGER, Will Robinson. We are all adults who should be practicing safe sex. I know. LOL. But I firmly believe sex with an escort is much safer then sex with a women I might meet in the lounge at  a hotel. I could rant for a while, but I just don't see this as being something that we need to deal with. We live in a world that SAFE SEX is important. Move on to CIM or no CIM, That is the question

So I will try to answer as a civvie.  I am guessing it's because she feels connected to you. When the sex is amazing, it's easy for those lines to get blurred.  I honestly do not believe that BBFS is being offered to every client.  There is no way she is feeling that connection with every person that walks through the door.  And she wouldn't offer it to someone she isn't feeling connected to.

That's BULL****.  

I have been hobbying for little over 14 years and had my share of ATF’s (still have couple I regularly see) but none of them ever have offered BBFS, ever. I like to keep it that way since I have more fucking to do before I go.

Yes there could be a very small proportion of BBFS offerings that could be a function of the connection felt, but a lot of the gals like to live on the edge.  While it may not be offered to every client, but if she is offering to one, then there is a good chance she is offering to more.  

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I think girls who do it w/clients, without being coerced or offered incentives (money, reviews, or the implicit or explicit promise of repeat business) are often girls who don't know who to say 'no'.  

offers of BBFS happen here, it appears that several posters here either don't have as much experience as they claim, they are simply in denial, or they are so repulsive no one has ever made the offer to them. lol

My advice is that if you value your health, follow Nancy Reagan's advice and "just say no"

I do find it amusing that women with kids make the claim that they NEVER do BBFS with anyone. I guess there should be a lot of non hispanic kids named "Jesus"  shouldn't there? lmao

The amount of folks going BBFS in P4P is significant.  And in many cases from those who scream and yell (or at least did at some point) the loudest denouncing BBFS.

I was perfectly happy to keep my mouth shut, but you're getting so much backlash.

In my opinion, anything unprotected can lead to more than just unwanted pregnancy or diseases,  but unwanted and unnecessary emotions. I dont want to carry the emotions or anothers Dna within me. The thought really creeps me out.

It seems you have an agenda but you are pretending to be asking a innocent question, like oh poor little old me, girls want BBFS with em, what shall I ever do?  These ladies keep begging ME for BBFS!  Alas!

I have a rather large sample size over the forty years or so that I have been doing this, and I can state as an absolute fact that MANY women are offering BBFS, and offering it at times to guys they only met a few minutes before. It happens and all the denials in the world is not going to change that fact. Somehow I doubt that any woman is going to feel that strong a connection with me after knowing me for all of ten minutes, much less several.

FWIW, yes I have engaged in BBFS with more than one woman who is/was a sex provider. but keep in mind that I have been in several LTRs with women in this business. To do so with a woman you just met a few minutes earlier is not exactly a wise choice,  I think EVERYBODY knows that, but it doesn't stop it from happening.

want to live? In good health? Thank goodness for Bamacare!

Plus it is damaging to the hobby we all enjoy by having ANOTHER BBFS thread for newbies and the unsophisticated to point to as normal.  This OP is either irresponsible or manipulative, or both.  I didn't laugh, though, so you are a better person than I, Alexandra.

And more important is to openly discuss that BBFS is far from an anomaly here.

Surely that are many reasons depending on the individual provider:

risk of contracting AIDS from BBBJ is much much lower than the risk from BBFS, and in fact is anecdotal at best. Uh oh, I just articulated "AIDS", is that the first time for this thread? I must be a "mangina".

The leap in risk, especially to the woman, is HUGE when going from BBBJ to BBFS.

It never ceases to amaze me how clueless so many of you are where it comes to the risks involved in the various activities we engage in here. I am not here to judge each individual's informed decision as to  what they consider acceptable risk, but the key word here is an "informed" decision and to state that the risks are comparable simply is not true, not even close.

As I've posted a few times on this thread that I am quite aware (as are others here) of how prevalent BBFS is in P4P.  To pretend that it's not happening is naive...apparently you are one of those naive ones?

I appreciate the stalwart few who genuinely tried to answer rather than put forth the usual BBFS rants. Now I understand why some of you thought it best to respond via PM.  

Yeah. You're probably right. I could have written this better. But I'm glad you got a laugh out of it.

Thanks, Marie. I appreciate the support.

Yup. Me and Alicia Silverstone. We hang out.

Clueless is undeniable.

How desperate for $$$$  are you that you offer BBFS???? Hope they get a check up often.... OFTEN!!!!  Learn to save your earnings & make something of yourselves instead of being a skanky whore!!!!  Ya I said it!!! It's amazing how many use thus lifestyle as an easy lazy way out of life.... Instead why not use this as a stepping stone to better yourselves!!! Ridiculous!!!

Bad/misguided advice makes sense. Thanks for putting that into perspective.

My thought is that ignoring it doesn't help anybody. Trying to understand it just might.

Dear Alex:
Think about it. The nature and scope in how you ask the question is critical because the main thing that you don't want to happen is for the reader to easily extrapolate the crux of your inquiry. Once one sees how the inquiry and the conversation is navigated then you can easily determine the destination as well as the nature and scope of the inquiry itself.

Seriously????  These bullshit threads from guys about BBFS gets on my bloody tits.

Thinking they have to.

I ALWAYS have my own condoms (and I've had a vasectomy for 10 + years) More than once, providers have "forgotten" to bring condoms. Having my own condoms makes BBFS never an option. I've had a condom break before and I got tested before I played again. Being responsible comes with engaging in P4P ... at least I hope it does.

you don't contract AIDS. You contract HIV and develop AIDS if you go untreated.  

Maybe some of them are. But that was not my intent here. I am very sorry you took it that way.

I've never had a Provider offer me BBFSCIP. All of them required the use of a Cover. With my current Provider I had to ask her to go BBFSCIP. But this is after seeing her with a Cover for about 4 months. If a Provider offers you BBFSCIP the very first time you meet her, I wouldn't do it.

Look.  We all know that this happens. For a million different reasons at that. I used to get angry when I'd get asked for BBFS, but I don't anymore.  Why? Because it's not worth my time or energy to get upset about it.  
Everyone has the right to do whatever they choose to do with their own body.  If two people consensually come to the conclusion that BBFS is on the table, it's honestly none of my business.  None.  Just like it's none of my business what my clients do outside of their time with me.  

I don't get mad either the very few times it has been suggested. I just say no. It's not the guys have bagged it since day one. And if the guys who do ask stop at the one time I still have no issue seeing them. I cover it, all is good.  

I had that said to me so I handed him my phone as I was getting dressed and told him to call the "others" and set something up. I was done after that.

I mean the impetus to be a hooker is the money to start with. Want extra cash, well offer BBFS. There is a market for it and it is more likely than not, an expected up charge.  

To tell what? I don't see much difference, BBFS is BBFS with or without the 4 months.

If they don't know they have HIV, she gets arrested, she is most likely getting tested. If HIV+ she's not only royally fucked, she has exposed her client list as they will most likely call her contacts after taking anything they can use to research her work. It wouldn't matter if she didn't know. Neglect is known as a huge crime in places infections and diseases are a potential risk.

Well said.

The first thing I think is that for some reason, she is trying to get pregnant.

I'll believe what I want and base those beliefs on personal experiences; experiences I had years ago, long before providing was ever a consideration.

I was with a provider once that ask me if I had a condom after I was in bed with her and she was sucking my cock.  I was hard and ready for a great fuck and she didn't have a condom, either did I.  I wasn't ready to get dressed and drive to the store come back and get back into this position again.   So, we went into the kitchen, got a zip loc baggie, put my cock into the baggie tied the base of my cock with a rubber band so that the baggie would stay on.  We then fucked our brains out.  However, it was good that she was wet and not real tight.    
Worked like a charm and everything was safe.  I was surprised how good this felt with the baggie, better then the condom.  I think the rubber band acted like a cock ring which also felt good.   Been a long time since the Jr. High days in the fifties when we used balloons with our girl friends from getting knocked up.

You might not have gotten her knocked up, but plastic bags have microscopic holes in them large enough for numerous STIs to penetrate. Not the best way to prevent the spread of STIs.

Understood. Rant away then. I'm sure there are plenty of men who are as bad or worse than you think. I might be one of them. I hope not. But the jerks never think they are jerks now, do they? It does no one harm to be reminded of the damage that can be done.

I have no basis to speak on how often BBFS is offered, or why it might be offered to a first timer.

Unless you're assuming he is also a prostitute?
Believe me, I've been a "date" to enough HIV research conferences. (You like that? Lol)  Plus I understand math...

I completely agree. And, I am terrified of HIV as well. I grew up in San Francisco in the 80's & 90's. It's no joke. People were terrified in The City. What was really terrifying as a child was to see sickly homeless people whose HIV had developed into AIDS. I can remember kids skinning their knees on the playground and all the rest of us kids freaking out staying away.  

If you're feeling all these feelings about BBFS then talk to a therapist, don't post in a public board.  People post on a public board because they want to draw ATTENTION to something, not fix a problem.  Fixing problems means finding a deeper meaning to the cause... Not bragging about how he just can't hide from BBFS, the girls are throwing themselves at me, etc.!

Wow! Didn't think of that myself, but after listening to one of the "older" provider's exit plan it makes sense. Her plan was to "find some old Geezer to marry" and she was serious!