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Black-Panther 4165 reads
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1 / 35

So, one would think with a declining customer base, prices would drop. Apparently, guys visiting escorts have dropped off the cliff because of coronavirus (granted its a freaking Yahoo article).

Gas prices should be below $1.50 with oil prices sinking like a rock and OPEC's recent actions, but nope.

AznWhtTailHntr 17 Reviews 109 reads
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2 / 35

The supply has also dropped off as well.  These girls have fixed costs that aren’t going to be covered by cutting rates and making it up in volume.  If you can’t cover your costs and drive the other suppliers out of business, you’re not going to pump it, but leave it in the well.  Supply comes down at the same time as demand, resulting in an equilibrium price almost the same as before.

GaGambler 207 reads
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3 / 35

The rest is mainly taxes and of course some profit for the retailer.  

 
As for hookers, they may or may not drop their rates, I think it largely depends on how long this "crisis" lasts. Some girls who can afford it may just choose to take an extended vacation, others most likely won't have that option.  

 
Speaking as one of those people pumping oil for half the price I was getting a couple of months ago, I am not ready to jump off a high building just yet. I don't believe that $30 bbl oil is sustainable and I am looking at it as a buying opportunity. If I am wrong, well that's the risk I willingly took on when I got into this business. I don't whine during hard times, I just get tired of other people whining that I am making "too much money" during the good times.

JackDunphy 125 reads
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4 / 35

What I am noticing is a lot of chatter of girls asking other girls if they think it's ok to drop rates, almost as if they are asking for permission. They don't want to be "disloyal to the cause" so they are leaking it out there, like a trial balloon, looking for reactions.

 
The general consensus I am seeing is "do what you need to do, we got your back" and that is something that definitely wouldn't have occurred just a month ago. Past advice would have generally taken the form of "don't do it girl! It will be impossible to raise your rates back up later!"

 
So yes, there are more "specials", more "pay for 2 hours, get the third free", more girls willing to extend their travel distances and not upcharging for it and girls lowering their outcall rate to match their incall. I would think this will widen in scope over the next few months, as I think the worst is still yet to come, unfortunately.

 
This may be shocking coming from me, the "chief negotiator", lol, but I don't think these financial incentives will help all that much, as people are on the sidelines for multiple reasons this time. This is not JUST an economic conundrum for the demand side of the biz that is typically seen during a recession, or sudden shock to the system, like a market crash.

 
We have the added problem of people scared they might become ill by going on a date, or if they don't contract the virus to the point of symptoms, the concern then goes to them passing it along to an older family member, neighbor, friend, co-worker, etc.  The thought of that, and the guilt that would accompany it, would be too much for many, imo.

 
That is the extra fly in the ointment this time around and I don't think financial deals will help all that much, except around the margins. This is a tough one and I think the only "cure" is time, and none of us really knows how much time is needed to get back to normal.  

 
My concern is, in the meantime, we will lose many great girls to civie work life, much the same way we did when Sesta-Fosta reared its ugly head.

Black-Panther 162 reads
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5 / 35

We'll see where this all goes. I just find it interesting that there is even talk about escorts dropping their prices when in the economic downturn of 2009, hooker prices were rock solid and went up from some pretty high prices after the crisis.

Gas prices early last year dropped fairly significantly (see link). And big oil sticks pretty close together. Gas tax is pretty significant, around .50 cents for state and federal, depending. That being said, prices should drop significantly, but they aren't. And rarely below $2.00

Its just odd that in this very short coronavirus time frame, that it feels like the end of times. When in fact it is a 3-6 month blip in the US and maybe two months since the peak in the East. Just saying the Great Recession was longer and worse than this virus.

I'm guessing in the escort world, its a huge drop very quickly and sustained over 2-3 months a hardship for most of the industry that doesn't plan very well.

Capitalism, fascinating.

Black-Panther 92 reads
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6 / 35

True.

 I'm wondering if in the US with such low job unemployment, that our 'supply' is low. Supplemented by foreign workers; Asia, South American, Eastern Bloc.

I don't think there is anywhere else in the world that providers are getting the prices they do in the US.

Black-Panther 135 reads
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7 / 35

This is so short-term, though. If you have 3 months of savings you should be fine. Go take a vacation.

MP67 11 Reviews 124 reads
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8 / 35

I don't get wtf is going on right now, meaning, everyone is losing their fucking minds. Buying up bottled water and toilet paper.  

If I lost my job tomorrow, which I won't, because for some reason they think I'm valuable. Actually I know cuz no one knows or has the time to know or do what I do.  

My GM would be FUCKED if I quit, die or win the lottery  

Anyway, which I was saying, if I lose my job tomorrow, I have some money to last me for a while. Family and friends to give me toilet paper, and know I'll ride out this stupid-ass shit...

I've seen worse shit for fucking sure...

Fucking pussies, I swear to God

PussyPuller 108 reads
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9 / 35

Price is not my concern right now. Lowered rates is of no benefit to the ladies or to us. Price is not the impetus  here. The concern is Contagion. You can not put a price on the guilt you’d experience from Killing your loving mother because you just had to hobby with a hottie.  

My concern is the threat of blackmail
Or extortion given that my real world information is in their hands. Anything can happen during a recession with no end in site.

JackDunphy 130 reads
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10 / 35

The girls biz very gradually fell off back then, over many months, as the recession didn't hit all the guys all at once. This is a much greater and quicker shock to this biz and thus so much more severe.  

 
It is a double whammy as most were just coming off a slower time in the post-holiday malaise period that this business experiences, in the North East at least, so most of the "squirreled away" money the girls have is now gone, or has been greatly depleted.

JawKnee36 95 Reviews 89 reads
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11 / 35

My heart goes out to them and all service industry workers. I’ve had many friends in the restaurant and catering industries get furloughed already. I can only imagine what providers with kids are going through. My ATF is looking at having her kids home for the next 3-4 weeks, and she did most of her business while they’re in school. I imagine single mom nurses probably will have it the worst sometime between mid-April and mid-May when the number of infected creeps up into the millions here in the US if the trend continues.

NataliaRein See my TER Reviews 99 reads
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12 / 35
JackDunphy 115 reads
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13 / 35

I wonder if this will drive many girls out of this biz, who do it on a full time basis, as they just wont want to go through this again.

 
The money and free time can be so great in this lifestyle for some, but then when things unexpectedly and so quickly spiral out of control, they then have nothing to fall back on during hard times like these.

 
Much the way Sesta-Fosta and #metoo changed the business, I think there will be repercussions for this biz long after the CV problems have dissipated.  

 
As much as this whole things sucks for the guys, it is 100 times worse for the girls and we cant forget that.

 
Good post.

GaGambler 136 reads
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14 / 35

Do you really think a little thing like a virus is going to chase women who choose this path into getting civvie jobs?  

 
I just took a fifty percent hit on the price of the commodity I sell, AND its the second time in just a few years this has happened to me, and I am not whining about it, much less contemplating getting out of the business. Farmers get hit by drought, flood, tariffs, trade wars and every other catastrophe you can imagine and they are still hanging in there. What makes you think that  a sizeable percentage of hookers are going to trade in their $500hr business for a 9-5 job at 5% that rate just because times are hard for a couple of months?

 
For a guy who claims to believe in the American way of life, you seem to have very little faith in the American Spirit.

JackDunphy 126 reads
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15 / 35

I clearly said girls that do it "FULL TIME" and ALSO said girls who do this "exclusively" may look to ADD a civie job to their hooking and NOT get out of hooking.  

 
How the fuck did you miss BOTH of those??????  

 
Please go hang out at the 60 and Over Bored where you belong. I really think you are WAY too old to hang out here with us younger peeps.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 109 reads
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16 / 35

That the first three weeks of April are traditionally slow as customers that can afford pussy are the ones PAYING taxes, not getting refunds.

Black-Panther 125 reads
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17 / 35

Great post, and good point. There are real people in a real crisis. I came across as pretty callous, mea culpa.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 115 reads
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19 / 35

If you're good at DATY, you don't need to buy water.  Pussy juice is mostly water.  

impposter 49 Reviews 143 reads
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20 / 35

Posted By: GaGambler
Re: The cost of oil only accounts for about $.75 a gallon
The rest is mainly taxes and of course some profit for the retailer.
Is that a typo? A standard barrel is 42 gallons. 42 x $0.75 = $31.50.  
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Someone I used to know who was pretty high up in the oil industry told me that getting oil out of the ground is pretty cheap and was only pennies per gallon (I think he said gallon; maybe he even said barrel) (he might have talking specifically about a mature middle east oil field and not an average for ALL oil wells globally). He has visited oil fields all over the world. Then there's transportation, protection, payola, taxes, etc..  
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I know another guy who, many years ago, got a free trip to Kentucky to see the oil wells that someone wanted him to invest in. He passed on the opportunity.  With hindsight, I have to wonder if it was a come on from the convicted and now incarcerated oil scammer:  
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/business/worldbusiness/30iht-30gas.11526078.html
"An oilman, Gary Milby, promises profit but investors say they're still waiting"; March 30, 2008

GaGambler 131 reads
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21 / 35

$31.50 is right about what oil is selling for right now. No typos on my part and for once your math is actually correct.  

 
As for the "lift cost" (the cost of getting it out of the ground) It varies all over the world, In the mid east where most oil "flows" rather than having to be pumped, the lift cost is much less than it is in the US, Most shale production in the US requires oil prices to be at least 50% higher than they are today just to break even

 
I saw a TV show on the scammer you are talking about, I think it was on "American Greed"

derekmcminn 79 Reviews 117 reads
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22 / 35

If you were so careless with your real world info, I hope they take you to the cleaners and separate you from every cent. Oh and I hope they sell your data to every eastern bloc scammer and telemarketer in India.
LOL

GaGambler 125 reads
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23 / 35

Then why did you give her the means to do so in the first place?

 
and there most definitely is "an end in site" but that's a discussion for another time and place.  

 
As for my mother, she lives 1,500 miles away from me, on the off chance I come down with Corona my mother has zero chance of catching it from me. Let's put this into perspective, Swine flu infected over 60 MILLION people in this country alone. I didn't catch swine flu and Corona is not going to cause me to lose any sleep about actually catching and dying from it based on ANY of the information I have heard so far. Don't get me wrong, it's going to have an impact, and a HUGE one at that, but anyone who is young and/or healthy and who is still worried about dying from Corona needs to quit watching the news so much. The media have whipped people into a frenzy. A little common sense will go a long ways here, but during mass panic common sense seems to go out the window.

GaGambler 94 reads
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24 / 35

Your post is still there for all to see, PLEASE point out where you said that  

 
"Girls who do this "exclusively" may look to ADD a civvie job"

 
Your exact words were  

 
"I wonder if this will drive many girls out of this biz"

 
You NEVER said a single word about "adding" a civvie job to their hooking. Now please go sit in the dunce corner with BFSF until you can  manage to read and understand even your own posts, much less mine.

impposter 49 Reviews 130 reads
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25 / 35

Ooops. I thought you guys were talking about the price of a barrel of oil, not the price of gasoline at the pump. (75 cents for a barrel of oil, not a gallon of oil, at the well head was consistent with what I had heard.)  Nevertheless, I still disagree with GaG about some of the details.  
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Refining the crude oil to gasoline adds to the price of gasoline, too. That can be 35 to 70 cents per gallon of gasoline (time and location dependent).  Also, there is a delay to get from crude oil to gasoline to the pump. The gasoline at the pump was made from oil that was bought and paid for a week to months ago.  As everybody knows, when the price of crude oil goes up, the price of gas at the pump goes up immediately (even though it was made from cheaper oil). When the price of crude oil drops, the price of gas at the pump stays up or only drops slowly.  
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There are so many steps in getting from oil in the ground to gasoline in your car, you have to be careful about where you draw the line to state a cost and who makes what profit. Back to the Middle East, using numbers the oil exec guy told me several years ago, the oil companies get oil at the well head for less than $1 per barrel.  Add land transport (pipeline or  trucks), sea transport (oil tankers), ... and you eventually reach $31/barrel (or $100/barrel or whatever).  There is a cost of gasoline at the refinery, but then add the cost to transport the gasoline to a local distributor ... local truck driver delivering the gas to your station, gas station mark up. It all adds up.  
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I was talking to a guy at local gas+mart. He said that his profit is fixed at a fixed value of cents PER GALLON (less than 10 cents per gallon) NOT a per centage. When the price of gas goes up and his volume goes down, he loses. When the price of gas goes down and his volume goes up, he makes more.  
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I'm always looking for the best gasoline price. That's why I like Donny's Discount Gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqad5J9xtrU
$1.49 and EIGHT tenths

Posted By: GaGambler
Re: Did you even bother checking the price of oil before you posted
$31.50 is right about what oil is selling for right now. No typos on my part and for once your math is actually correct.  
   
 As for the "lift cost" (the cost of getting it out of the ground) It varies all over the world, In the mid east where most oil "flows" rather than having to be pumped, the lift cost is much less than it is in the US, Most shale production in the US requires oil prices to be at least 50% higher than they are today just to break even  
   
 I saw a TV show on the scammer you are talking about, I think it was on "American Greed"
When the guy I know took his free trip to Kentucky, I listened to his story but I had no advice for him (neither "Invest! Invest!" nor "Run! Run!").  When I read about the KY oil scam years later, I thought about the guy I know but I never asked him to recap the details or ask him "Is this the guy you met in KY?"

GaGambler 146 reads
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26 / 35

The price of oil right NOW is about $30 bbl which means the cost of the underlying oil in the price of a gallon of gasoline is just what I said, "about $.75" a gallon,  

 
Yes besides taxes there are cracking costs, (not fracking, you can Google it for yourself) transportation, marketing etc etc etc,  

 
As for your oil exec, either you weren't really listening to him or he's a moron, These new numbers of yours are too ridiculous to even start to correct. Either he, or you, are a complete moron. I think you know which one of you I am betting on.

impposter 49 Reviews 134 reads
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27 / 35

YOU were talking over there --> * about the price of a gallon of gasoline at the pump. But I thought you were talking about crude oil. Someone asked about the price of crude and how nation-states were trying to screw the US oil industry. So I was focused on crude, not gas.
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I was talking over here .*. about the price of crude oil.  When I thought you were talking about the price of crude oil, I thought that "75 cents per gallon" was a typo for "75 cents per barrel" which is close to what I was told by an oil exec several years ago as their price of oil at the well (in Kuwait or Qatar or ?). Transportation, profit and other costs add to that and OPEC and the markets bring it to the current price of $31.50 (or $131 if there's a shortage and not a glut).  
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I then understood that you were saying that the crude oil portion of the price of a gallon of gasoline at the pump is around 75 cents:  "The cost of oil only accounts for about $.75 a gallon [of gasoline]. The rest is mainly taxes and of course some profit for the retailer." I was drilling down [double entendre] on the price of the oil itself and the many other steps involved to get oil in the ground to gas in your tank.  
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That is, I think you were looking at all of the line items that get oil out of the ground and to the gas+mart, summed it all up and called it 75 cents due to the entire oil-to-gas station supply chain. I preferred to break it down to explicitly remind readers of the many steps needed to get gasoline into your tank.
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I would just further point out that less than half of a 42 gallon barrel of oil ends up as automobile gasoline at the pump. (Ignore the coincidental numbers based on current pricing: $31.50 per barrel / 42 gallons per barrel  = 75 cents per gallon of crude oil.  (1) If less than half of each gallon of crude is used for gasoline, shouldn't it add LESS than 75 cents to the price of each gallon of gas? NO! Refineries are in business to make a profit on every fraction! (2) One gallon of crude oil (thick and dense) produces more than one gallon of gasoline (thin and light; floats on water) and thicker, heavier tars.

Posted By: GaGambler
Re: IMP can't you ever just take the L without doubling down on stupid?
The price of oil right NOW is about $30 bbl which means the cost of the underlying oil in the price of a gallon of gasoline is just what I said, "about $.75" a gallon,  
   
   
 Yes besides taxes there are cracking costs, (not fracking, you can Google it for yourself) transportation, marketing etc etc etc,  
   
   
 As for your oil exec, either you weren't really listening to him or he's a moron, These new numbers of yours are too ridiculous to even start to correct. Either he, or you, are a complete moron. I think you know which one of you I am betting on.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 94 reads
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28 / 35

I just bought gas for 1.99/9 gallon.  I think two weeks ago it was still 2.69.   That's a significant and fast drop. (I also actually got it at 1.69/9 due to my grocery rewards card, but that wasn't the normal pump price.)
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Crude price changes ripple through to the pump price pretty fast, both up and down.  

noavgjoe 12 Reviews 124 reads
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29 / 35

Wow.

Effective at midnight tonight, Mayor Garcetti will take emergency action to have all establishments such as gyms, movie theatres, bars and nightclubs shut down until March 31st.   Dine-In restaurants may remain open but can only serve customers via take out, delivery or drive thru.  Grocery stores, pharmacies and foodbanks will remain open but will be on limited hours.  

Well, as hobbyist and someone who falls in the high risk category I'm gonna have to put the fun time on hold until next month.

Stay well and be safe, ladies and gents.

Black-Panther 100 reads
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30 / 35

Stop being overpriced.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 166 reads
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31 / 35

You do know people aren’t seeing one another to stop the spread of the disease right? This has nothing to do with prices and everything to do with Health.

I still think all of this is political- something else is going on. But anyway, Lowering prices isn’t going to change what’s going on because this is person-to-person contact. You can’t get oil and gas sick.

GaGambler 145 reads
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32 / 35

Try drinking a cup of gas and get back to me. lol

 
As for the rest of your post, I actually agree with you. Personally I am NOT going to stop having sex over this, but I am NOT going to be looking for deals either, and even if a provider is offering a special because she is broke and desperate most likely I'll still pay her full price because I don't want to take advantage of someone when they are down, I just don't want to be THAT guy. Yeah, karma is a bitch. Now OTOH if some broke oil guy is selling out at ten cents on the dollar, I am sure I will be jumping all over it.  I am not that fucking nice. lol and if I am ever forced to sell because I'm broke I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for me either.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 132 reads
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33 / 35

I feel like if a guy feels entitled to a discount because the coronavirus is hurting people financially, he's probably going to be the one to spread it.

But if someone is giving discounts because they're struggling, I get it. I think it's dumb for someone to say NOT to give specials in times like these; however, I feel like if people aren't booking, it's more because they don't want to get sick or transmit the illness.

It could also be that clients also are taking a hit. It's just the demand that they lower their rates.

On that note, do you think this economic crisis will slow down or reverse inflation, or increase it after all is said and done? I remember Sept. 11th raised the value of a dollar, whatever the hell that means.

GaGambler 139 reads
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34 / 35

I do agree that an "opportunist" looking for deals due to a crisis is also VERY likely not to care about spreading it. As for specials, I don't have any problems with providers offering "Corona specials" despite my tongue in cheek OP about one, I just don't feel that as someone more able to deal with the financial aspects of this crisis that I should be taking advantage of someone less able to weather the storm.  

 
I agree, that for the next couple of weeks at least, mongers aren't going to be booking out of fear a lot more so than they will be doing so for financial issues.

 
Back to inflation, I believe that we are in for an economic boom when this is done, the pent up demand, not just for pussy of course may actually cause some renewed inflation, but with interest rates basically at ZERO, the fed will have good reason to raise interest rates back to historical norms.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 134 reads
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35 / 35

Some of us potential clients are looking to whether we will be employed in a week.  I'm at a start up company that was in its second round of investor financing.  Really bad timing.  Deals were likely to close.  Now investors may turn cautious.  If we don't get the next round we close the doors.   Suddenly I don't have entertainment dollars.

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