you will see that I do have reviews 
All we ever hear about is "what the provider might do if I give her my info," yet so many are fkin clueless about the same discretion for hookers when it comes to reviews! I think I have been more than vocal about how stupid it is to use your own damn house to run your business, BUT people are going to do what they want lol.
At the very least you would think the guy would have the common sense not to broadcast that shit in a review. Great, now not only does everyone know she is breaking the law, but that she is also doing it in her own home which may or may not have a minor child living there...brilliant! IF I would ever do something as risky as opening my door up to random strangers, I sure as hell would never tell all of them "OH, btw this is where I live" letting them know how easy it would be to just show up at any time. Way to let stalkers and psychos know that she will certainly let them in too if they can pass her screening, which quite frankly is not all that damn hard.
Some even go a step further and describe the fkin house...again, just brilliant. Why not take photos of it too dumbass!
So please..pretty please, with sugar on top...STFU!
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You are clearly meticulous in how you do things, and that's great. I'm sure your clientele appreciates it.
I guess the only thing I can tell you from my experiences on the West Coast and in NYC is that the providers who do use their own homes are driven largely by necessity and circumstance. If they had the funds to do it offsite at a neutral location, I know for a fact many of them would. But many of them are driven by tight circumstances, which is how they got into doing this in the first place, and so it has been unrealistic, economically, to do it another way. But that's with the providers I have seen who do it out of their homes. And that's just MY experience, and no one else's, so I am hardly an authority on this.
As far as review discretion...I agree with you, but the very nature of reviews tells me that guys are driven by a need to say something (assuming they are writing the reviews freely and not because the provider asked them to). In an ideal world, there would be no reviews because every girl would use representative pics and not falsely advertise.
But they don't, so we have reviews to hedge this out. And some guys use the review platform here as a way of bragging about things.
That's just my observation. I'm certainly not speaking for anyone else.
You mean to tell me women making 300-1000 can't afford a hotel once or twice a week? I thought you said they were seeing 3 guys a day lol. If so, I guess all that money they brag about making is just bs lol, because I have never heard of anything so absurd. Who says they have to pay outlandish rent rates when they could move to a place where it is cheap to live?
I know tons of women who would save money by using their home...myself included, but I value my own and my client's discretion and safety MORE than saving a few bucks. I am glad I do, because look how easy it would be for that shit to get out...can we say CPS knocking at your door> no thanks. Can't they get a real job on the side like most everyone else? I think so.
Proves my point yet again, that if they are allowing (which I doubt) guys who review them to broadcast this, they are putting themselves and their future clients at risk. Now, the entire fkin world and the cops know she is working out of a residential area which may even have a child living there. I am not putting all the fault on the girl...thought that was clear. I am more pissed off at how stupid guys are when she made them aware of this.
Maybe you don't care if everyone knows you are going to so and so's house where every guy in the city has already been, but other guys certainly do. It is simply stupid to give away a location in a review. That is akin to saying I saw her at the Waldorf. Guys need to either have some common sense, or not bother writing a review. I highly doubt the provider saw that review or she would have said remove that please, so it suggests these are reviews that she has no say in, which is the way it should be. Then again, this is what happens if she does not see it. I have seen reviews where the guy says she thought the girl was trafficked and underage...talk about a bullseye!
I can see why so many high end gals have a no review policy...who works that hard for a real life career just to have some idiot put a target on her back for being a hooker, and in her own home.
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And not everyone makes that much and not everyone has that kinda money to drop on a hotel.
I'm not arguing with how you run your business, because clearly you are doing well and are successful. I'm just saying that some of the women who get into doing this only do so after getting themselves in such a deep financial hole that this is the only way to get fast cash. If a woman needs to come up with $2k to pay her rent in a week, she might be incentivized to just take the risk to see them at her place in order to save the $200 or $100 on the hotel room. Shortsighted? Perhaps, but I know of some girls who are literally fucking in this city to pay their rent and get some food in their system. And, no, I'm not talking about crack hos and streetwalkers or low-end BP girls. I'm talking about girls who are in a bind and who are cutting costs at every step to try to generate that dollar bogey by a certain time.
No one knows for sure how much everyone is making or spending. At best it's a guess. You know what you make and what your cost structure is, but you don't know that for other girls. And of course what I'm seeing is what I'm being "told" by other girls, so who knows if it's true or if it's a sob story.
But given what I see in the economy and the plethora of new girls coming up and doing this in my town, I can say that it doesn't seem unbelievable.
Of course as guys we don't want undue attention, and of course if a review states some things that are identifying characteristics, that skeeves us out. It's the same reason why I personally never see a girl who is high-volume.
But to use your example, saying that you saw a girl at the Waldorf is hardly giving anything away. The Waldorf is a super-high-traffic hotel, and it has 1508 rooms according to Wikipedia. That's hardly giving anything away.
The girls who can hit their bogey with having a no-review policy are doing just fine, I'm guessing.
If the girl shows her face, you can bet your ass it is giving it away if some jealous provider or nut job client, decides to send her hooker pics to the front desk...it has happened before.
Now, I am not a cold hearted bitch to the bone so I can appreciate that women have to do what they have to do at times, BUT if you have a child lving in the very same place you are turning tricks, I have no sympathy for that. It takes ONE psycho to fall for her, and come back and kill her and her damn kid. You can't really screen crazy. A guy can be a model client for 100 women and then go bsc on one he hates..maybe one on the boards who pissed him off lol.
This was more about guys being discreet in reviews...say whatever the hell you want about her body face, sex skills, etc. but stfu about her working out of a home she lives in. All I am suggesting is that these women might want to lie and say, "Look, this is an incall I share with a few other girls" so it would stop idiots from knowing and posting stupid stuff in public.
That's all.
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But as an example, the Waldorf is a weak one.
Many providers show their face pics right on TER on the Ad boards. And since you don't need VIP to see those boards, not sure why they do it. But some do it. I don't know the reasoning behind it, but it's there, for all to see. You would think that they would be more discreet, sending them via email, but whatever...they run their business how they run their business.
The girls who I have seen in this posiition where they are using their own place do not have children around. I don't know if they have children, but they weren't around. That's an entirely different issue.
Yes, guys should be discreet in reviews. No argument there.
I think the more important point here is not that of where a provider runs her business out of but what info should, and should NOT be mentioned in a review.
I'm not arguing with how you run your business, because clearly you are doing well and are successful. I'm just saying that some of the women who get into doing this only do so after getting themselves in such a deep financial hole that this is the only way to get fast cash. If a woman needs to come up with $2k to pay her rent in a week, she might be incentivized to just take the risk to see them at her place in order to save the $200 or $100 on the hotel room. Shortsighted? Perhaps, but I know of some girls who are literally fucking in this city to pay their rent and get some food in their system. And, no, I'm not talking about crack hos and streetwalkers or low-end BP girls. I'm talking about girls who are in a bind and who are cutting costs at every step to try to generate that dollar bogey by a certain time.
No one knows for sure how much everyone is making or spending. At best it's a guess. You know what you make and what your cost structure is, but you don't know that for other girls. And of course what I'm seeing is what I'm being "told" by other girls, so who knows if it's true or if it's a sob story.
But given what I see in the economy and the plethora of new girls coming up and doing this in my town, I can say that it doesn't seem unbelievable.
Of course as guys we don't want undue attention, and of course if a review states some things that are identifying characteristics, that skeeves us out. It's the same reason why I personally never see a girl who is high-volume.
But to use your example, saying that you saw a girl at the Waldorf is hardly giving anything away. The Waldorf is a super-high-traffic hotel, and it has 1508 rooms according to Wikipedia. That's hardly giving anything away.
The girls who can hit their bogey with having a no-review policy are doing just fine, I'm guessing.
Very well said, Miss London. As rarely as I partake with providers, I actually prefer ladies with a no review policy. The less that is said, the better off both parties will be. Often times people speak (or in the case of reviews, type) without thinking. You made a great point about mongers enjoying the bragging aspect of a review which to me is embarrassing to see since we are talking about adult men here, not teenagers. I don't write reviews but I get a kick out of reading some of them!
Someone here stated that you run a tight ship & that not everyone does- yet through the points you've made I hope they now realize that we ALL need to run a tight ship! Both monger AND provider are taking enourmous risks and if we appreciate each other we need to respect each other and tread with caution. Thanks for a great post!
I know tons of women who would save money by using their home...myself included, but I value my own and my client's discretion and safety MORE than saving a few bucks. I am glad I do, because look how easy it would be for that shit to get out...can we say CPS knocking at your door> no thanks. Can't they get a real job on the side like most everyone else? I think so.
Proves my point yet again, that if they are allowing (which I doubt) guys who review them to broadcast this, they are putting themselves and their future clients at risk. Now, the entire fkin world and the cops know she is working out of a residential area which may even have a child living there. I am not putting all the fault on the girl...thought that was clear. I am more pissed off at how stupid guys are when she made them aware of this.
Maybe you don't care if everyone knows you are going to so and so's house where every guy in the city has already been, but other guys certainly do. It is simply stupid to give away a location in a review. That is akin to saying I saw her at the Waldorf. Guys need to either have some common sense, or not bother writing a review. I highly doubt the provider saw that review or she would have said remove that please, so it suggests these are reviews that she has no say in, which is the way it should be. Then again, this is what happens if she does not see it. I have seen reviews where the guy says she thought the girl was trafficked and underage...talk about a bullseye!
I can see why so many high end gals have a no review policy...who works that hard for a real life career just to have some idiot put a target on her back for being a hooker, and in her own home.
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because I have stated my views on many occasions, BUT considering what guys can put in a review, I would think the obvious is in our face. I have had guys say, "Her place" in passing, but that gives off the wrong impression. Just because a guy visits a home or apartment, does NOT mean she lives there lol. People take things out of context and I have heard a number of times about the 2 call system, being for the low end.
Um, that depends on what the guy meant. For some women, that means 2 calls is all the screening that is done. For others who do actually screen, it means one call for the hotel or address, and another for the room number AFTER you are verified and a date is set. Many people take the phrase "2 call system" to mean, that the girl did not screen and ONLY those two calls got you in the door. If a guy sees that phrase in a review, many times he assumes that provider is careless.
I know that guys don't always intend to do this and I can understand how we all say things that come out wrong, but we all need to start being more careful. Something happened recently that has me so vocal about this and the girl was a good friend of mine. When providers are hiding from an ex, fighting for custody of their child, etc. the very last thing these women need is more exposure. Not all women are here because it was their lifelong dream to be a hooker.
Let's see...NYC, NYC, NYC, NYC, NYC, NYC...............oh forget it!!
... he might threaten to take his ventilator and go home!!!
that's right...........as he gasps for air!!
yep, i stick up for my friends.
Keep personal shit out of reviewz. None of my reviews contain personal details about the lady...
And you don't have any reviewz Willis.
you will see that I do have reviews
hmm... I didn't know that.
I remember my ATF reading a review at my house. Even though she got a 9/10, I remember her rolling her eyes and shaking her head in disbelief. This guy tried to make himself look like a stud & embarrassed her. I think reviews reveal more about the client than the provider. I wish there was a feature on P411 or TER where you could give a 'Client OK' to a provider without going into lurid detail about a session Or perhaps a mini-review that's only three checkboxes:
Does the Provider look like her photos? (yes or no)
Are her advertised services (menu) accurate? (yes or no)
Would you see this provider again? (yes or no)
The information above is all I really need to know about a provider. --z
The dude is like, "My pecs looked killer in the mirror as I was tapping that ass, and my tan was rocking too." Freaking GTL boys crack me up!
Because isn't the fact that her images are accurate and services are accurate (YMMV always)? I mean, does that tell a guy she is legit...not LE and does what is advertised?
And many ladies who add something extra for a specific client do not necessarily want the rest of the mob to know.
The people reviewing the reviews are not supposed to let that stuff through. But they are inconsistant. One guy was just complaining on the S&P board because his review was delayed due to his location information being too specific whereas he mentioned a neighborhood (of 40,000 people). Yet, on the other hand, I have seen other reviews with actual hotel names or street names. I send in problem reports when I see stuff like that and they usually edit out the TMI, which means they agree, that they should have never let it through in the first place. It all depends who is reviewing the review, and how much attention they are giving it.
It also does no good to complain about it here. I mean sure you can rant. That's what this board is for, right? But don't expect ranting here to change how guys write reviews. There are probably several hundred thousand TER members. There are about 15000 new reviews in the past two weeks. Your post will get a few hundred reads, probably none from the guys who are writing TMI in their reviews.
after a date lol. Maybe some should wait a week before writing a review! So, PSA...report a problem!!!
It also does no good to complain about it here. I mean sure you can rant. That's what this board is for, right? But don't expect ranting here to change how guys write reviews. There are probably several hundred thousand TER members. There are about 15000 new reviews in the past two weeks. Your post will get a few hundred reads, probably none from the guys who are writing TMI in their reviews.
How about a lady who photoshops out her tattoos for discretion, then you read in a review, "She had a dragon tattoo on her shoulder."
I think that is why it is important for the ladies to stay on top of their reviews too. For stuff like this and what you mentioned, the provider should report it right away.
Discretion is so important on both sides, but unfortunately both sides fuck it up a lot.
Oh well what can you do other than rant about it.
Clients are, by definition, dumb asses driven towards this hobby by their little heads, and I'm as bad as any.
Very often when I first started reviewing I dropped all sorts of personal shit into reviews as I was looking for ways to pad them out, or I thought this or that personal detail was cute enough to report.
Fortunately TER editors were sharp enough to reject my reviews and tell me why, and over time I wised up.
I hope the TER editors are reading this thread and respond appropriately to protect the gals from the harm we guys can unwittingly do.
And everytime I say to myself, damn, he/she can't be that dumb? Guess what?.........
They're even dumber than I thought! lol
For some it isn't enough that they give a stroke by stroke play and the 5.1126543 O's he gives her, they have to go into detail about the location.
Keep it to the holes you stuck it in and the manly way you tossed her around the bed/room and the 5.2 positions you managed to cross off your to do list. So please, if you have to rave on, keep it to your Penthouse fuckfest and leave out any reference to her location ...if it's a pigsty, okay but that does not mean you give cross streets or hotel location...keep it to the inside if it bares mentioning for the sake of hygiene or comfort.
Will outlast everything.
Most the guys who put in too much info are just a combination of stupid, and worse than that they truly believe a lady's privacy is nowhere near as important as their own. THEY JUST DON'T CARE! You can see the exact same attitude in guys who say "I'm not giving out MY information, but a lady should post cear face shots because her privacy on the web doesn't matter."
I would never wish it on these guys, but I would find it ironic if a guy overly described a location and because of that he was met by the boys in blue the next time he went there.
Thinking really does help in so many areas.
requested I not be specific about the small community she is in, not quite in a small city. I always write "near" city or landmark.
Another lady hinted that a hotel mgt "must know" about at her activities, but shes low volume & discreet. But a high volume girl was asked to leave.
I sure don't want to bring the heat down on her. And it's not necessary. I agree with London... everyone needs to be discreet.
I once spotted an ad, by a lady I wanted to see. She gave the exact exit number, where I get off the highway... and a single notell-motel... Any cop could follow the cookie crumbs to that location. I emailed her & the ad was down within the hour. (I did later see her further from my home.)
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At the very least you would think the guy would have the common sense not to broadcast that shit in a review.
But as someone using reviews to decide who to see, knowing the incall is at her house is information I want to know, just as I would if there was anything else non-standard about the incall she was using. It's a factor that would probably put me off seeing someone and I would be grateful to the reviewer that mentioned it.
it would not draw attention to it, thus making it less risky even if you did see her. If NO ONE knows it's her real house, then there ya go. Besides, many times the guy says "her house" and it's not lol. I use private apartments and homes for my business, but what if some tool says it was my real home in a review? I just prefer a little more discretion I guess. Guys need to shut that yapper~
"her incall". No need to reference a location, hotel name, her house, apt., etc.
Indiscression and irresponsibility runs rampant in this hobby and in my early days I was a fool and I will be the first to admit it and let the first asshole throw stones and I know you're a liar if you didn't do some foolish stuff. But my question is are reviews like that on this site (I don't need examples, I trust your word)? I can see reviews like this on other bottom feeder sites but this one! gf60
where she had such and such here, and a bar here, and that there, and a pink comforter, etc. Let us just hope her BF or husband does not sign up on TER lol. It is really not TER to police what a provider should be doing...they are not responsible for OUR discretion. If you don't want your shit getting out, don't do it...or at the very least LIE!