One provider contacts  reviewers of other same area provider to let them know she is also available.
What do you call that??/

ladies viewing my date-check profile. When I log on I see that they have viewed my profile - it's sort of a way of saying "hey big boy - I'm over here"....

If it's through TER's Pm'ing then it's spam. However, with this economy most girls are suffering. Hobbying is a luxury that people have cut back on due to both the economy and the holidays. Personally, if I were a man being solicited by a provider I'd opt out.
It's one thing when a hobbyist asks you contact them when you'll be in thier area it's another thing to chase men down.
Just my .33.
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XO

we are all suffering and there are many forms of marketing that does not step on ANYONES toes...It is a sad issue when people/providers need to backstab/or go for other providers hobbyists.. I understand adding a statement when someone posts that they are looking for a certain someone ..and lets say as an example i fit the bill . I think its fair to throw my name out there. yet ,only when asked.. the unfortunate truth is ..it is a bad time for a lot of beautiful/inside/out provieders.
i just try to believe there is good in everyone.
again,this is only my thoughts not meant to hurt feelings.
my grandfather always said"you can have the most loyal dog  h,have fed him , cuddled him etc.,.unfortunately even Mans best friend if cornered will go for the bite..as in biting his owner"
I am a genuine ,soul i too will protect my family yet not at the risk of hurting another.
may we all do our best and have a sexy ,sensual ,warm and cuddly time doing it!!!

I've met a few really fun ladies who "winked" at me by viewing my date-check profile. Sometimes more than once. It's a subtle hint, sort of like a smile and a nod in a singles bar, that leaves the move up to you. I kinda like it.....

Any business would love to be able to identify and market prospective clients this way. Not sure why the ladies so far find this offensive. If the client is going to repeat, he is likely to do so regardless of whether another lady solicits him.


      Whether the reviewer is happy to receive such an unsolicited advertisement is another question.

that some of the ladies who have solicited my business were of interest to me in the past, but were in very high demand, and  did not return my communications!!!!!  I usually wait until a vulnerable moment to mention this.... usually I'm a  gentleman, but sometimes....

I'm a bad, bad man.... '

It is marketing. I get these messages about 2-3 times a week. There are some hobby sites that allow participates to find each other out. It might be tacky. I will put the provider on a to see list if I am interested in seeing her.

You added an unassociated advertising link to your post and it's against  the rules. Now should I be pissed at you think you are a bad person/provider because you marketing your self..
some might but I wont. I KNOW IT’S BUSINESS …. Just a thought

If a provider sent me a PM that said "I enjoy your posts and saw your reviews and I seem to be your type, so keep me in mind if you want some company on a cold evening"...that wouldn't bother me. It all depends on how she approaches me. The more seductive, the better.  

Some ladies viewed this as stealing customers from another provider, but unless I misread it, I don't see it that way.  There's very few of us who are only interested in a single provider.





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Can you imagine what she could do with all the screening info she had on you if you actually saw her.

Another reason I don't review as often as I should and use an alias to post.

It would be fine if this was a normal business but the hobby is not a normal business. I am really not comfortable with any sort of snooping into my private life.

Providers often remind clients that this is a business and we are paying for their time and there is a fine line that we should not cross etc.

Well, I would like to remind providers that this is a business albeit not a normal one and there is a fine line you should not cross and one of them is privately snooping on another providers clients.

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Livie,

I posted my response before I realized that this is a practice you participate in.  My response was in no way meant to be a personal slam.  You obviously have a great head for business and that will serve anyone well!  However, this is not just any other business.

Unless I have something very specific to comment to a poster about (following up on a board discussion, etc.) I will not contact any gentleman unsolicited.  Most gentlemen expect that of me.  I am here when and if they call.

IMHO, with all of the opportunity to be advertised on this site (direct ads, reviews, conversations with your web link) directly pm'ing gents goes above and beyond.  To take it a step further and to directly solicit gentlemen who are reviewing specific ladies in your area is as rude as advertising yourself directly underneath another ladies conversations or weekly ad post.  

Additionally, it is against TER's policies to use the PM feature for SPAM.

While you may think this is just good business marketing, please consider that you are certainly not going to make many lady friends with this practice, (marketing, poaching... whatever.)  Seriously, while I encourage my gentlemen friends to meet other ladies and am secure in the belief that there is NO competition unless you believe that to be so... many other ladies view it differently.  You may also be viewed as indiscreet, and you may be violating board rules.

.02
Sola



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Previously posted on the Atlanta board as a direct answer to this question:

"A)  Hobbyists who review me are men who have selected me predicated upon my website, review history and positive online visibility.  Once they have visited with me, they opt to share their experience.  Good or bad, they may choose to see me again, they may not-but in any event I do not own them, they are not required to visit with me again and I do not consider them "untouchable" by other ladies.

B)TER is a co-ed platform, a research tool for all and a primary means of advertisement/generation of business for us ladies who choose to utilize it.  If I know that a great deal of my business is derived from the review process, the reviews are visible to me and I have access to reviewers I am of the belief that an open line of communication is also available to me.  If a hobbyist reads another man's review of me and writes to ask if CIM will be available to him too, regardless of the answer, I do not feign offense or terror at the contact-that is what this platform is about-interactivity.  

C) In the past, I have amassed interest by this very practice-though not necessarily "searching" a particular provider.  In the event I was reading reviews and I noticed that a particular "hobbyist" had a pattern of seeing girls with characteristics similar to my own I had no qualms about sending a short PM invitation: "Hey, if you like this about her, maybe you will like me".  Over the summer I ruffled the feathers of a provider and abandoned it because I was told that it was "shark-ish".  Frankly I believe that it was met by overreaction on all accounts but I respect personal space and boundaries, have amassed a considerable clientele/business and simply choose to no longer do this.

Despite my abandonment of the practice, I stand by my previous assertion:  if a hobbyist has seen and reviewed one lady-it doesn't mean that he is her exclusive benefactor.  He is on TER for a reason and usually that reason involves the want of variety.  I do not believe that a private message is an invasion of privacy (if you don't want PMs via this forum or solicitations from providers who may be interested in you-perhaps exercising discretion and refraining from reviews may be your bag).  I also do not believe that it is "stealing business".  Irrespective of whether or not another provider invites a client who has seen you-eventually, he will seek another regardless.

Personally, if I received mail from a client tomorrow saying "Lady Jane invited me to come see her because she liked my review of you" my reaction would be "rock on!" and to her "let your love light shine baby" (as wonderful Miss Heidi Mueller once said to me)."  

I think that there is nothing wrong with this manner of contact periodically if it is genuine and honest.
Though I utilized this to establish myself when I began in 2006 and again in 2007 to jump-start momentum with my return to the business following a brief departure, I no longer do so simply because I don't have to AND the fact that I am more inclined and attracted to non-"hobbyist" clients currently.

Done on a massive scale, with insensitivity or with denigration to another provider ("I read your review of Jane Doe and you said she doesn't perform XXX but I assure you, I do") is inappropriate and SPAM.
If a provider is clearly going down the "New Reviews" list and PMing every reviewer who has demonstrated recent activity that is SPAM.
If a provider views TER and routinely notices a client who sees providers who are similar to her, thinks that he would enjoy her and opts to send a note encouraging his consideration it is a personal invitation that has nothing to do with the already reviewed providers on his list.

If a man participates in TER daily or weekly and has a review body of 50+ reviews - I'm sorry but that is not a person who is discreet (its the equivalent of the provider who has 10 pages of reviews and refers to herself as UTR- its ludicrous).

Done with honesty and directed at a reviewer who a provider feels would be comfortable with solicitation given heavy participation in TER and a large review body i.e.:

"Hello, I've read many of your reviews and posts and think that I have a lot of the attributes that you search for:  I'm brunette, flexible, GFE, I provide in the Midtown area and I like greek too.  I hope that you will consider me at some point in the future."

...I just don't find this inappropriate.

BTW:  Every single person that I contacted privately 2006 and 2007 DID visit me and DID review me (probably 7 or 8 in total), usually saying "Ally I've always wanted to meet you but was unsure of your availability/location, thank you for your note!"

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They would've saw that person in the first place
I think its rude and tacky-

Good marketing with this would be paying the girl something in return for coat tailing off of HER hard work..

Length of time a girl has been around : They should be able to get their own reviews and own clientel base -and not have to coat tail off of someone else-

I still have my profile as a client up on an Escort site.   A few times ladies have solicited me by PM.  I have checked their profiles but have not seen any of them to date.

I wouldn't mind if a TER lady PM'd me & said: "I have seen your reviews.  If you want to check me out; my TER reviews are at (link) & (Web page)."    
I think it would be really tacky to mention another provider by name.  

It would be hard to link my 7 reviews to my discussion boards as I don't post under my review name.  
skb

I would like to start by saying that  respect all the opinions here that way  I ask the questions that I do .
For no other purpose then gain insight so with that said.

I'm sorry this is a crock in the real world of bizz .
1st you are right in that clients will see whom they when they want period no amount of Discount or marketing will change that.

2nd paying a kick back for my or any other woman’s work in that marketing to men that would eventually would have found her any way is as much as paying a pimp
3. length of time means nothing in realty ..because reviews is what drives this vehicle and the men that write them. So in effect the reviews that the men write is our biggest marketing benefit I use the phrase to our benefit because with out them there would be far more time that would have to be put in then with out them. all a length of time shows is that you have been in the bizz longer then others and that you are popular with reviews.  How many clients do you see  that don’t write reviews.. Dose it mean that you only see the men that have reviewed you I know that’s not the case for me.

other then that the reviews' design originated out of the need for the hobbyist to tell others they did not get robed or beaten it is there DNS list but because they are men ( lol) it's reversed.

Please don't be offended I mean no disrespect to any one or to step on any ones toes what prompted this post was the idea is that some ladies have the idea that hobbies(I prefer client) Some who belong to them. Once that man has written a review they are some owned by that provider.
I find this way of thinking truly insane. I truly didn't mean to upset any I one seriously needed to understand the thought process behind it.

Thank you for your concern for me in regard to how I might be looked upon from your post I know you are a caring person and disliking to any one being slammed or out cast…
But 1.s it is not about this board. I take the rules seriously.
2nd I feel I need to make clear that I am in no way ever indiscreet I did not post the whole situation bc it would have not be proper to do so I seriously wanted to know how the men felt about this.

Ally, your response was almost exactly what I was thinking.  I discovered that after a year in the hobby and over 60 appointments, I have certain preferences now I am aware of that I was not so aware before.  It may be her height, build type, race, certain menu items, hair color, her "look", or her reactions as written in various reviews.  

If I write in one of my reviews that a certain event or reaction happened that was one of my favorite things and another lady who also enjoyed participating in that type of event saw it thought my description fit her and she then let me know about herself, I would enjoy knowing that about her.

I think it is very effective marketing by a lady if, as others has said, it is done well.  I have had three ladies do that who I have met and all three were fantastic experiences.  

In my mind there is a huge difference between someone who sends a note saying "If you thought Sally was good, I will make you forget all about her" and someone who says "Hi Raven, I see by your review that you enjoy ***.  I just wanted you to know that I also love that experience."

Even the posts from the ladies on the various boards can be very well done or can be tacky.  In the past 2 months, I have seen more attempts to "Steal" threads than I have seen in the previous 12 months combined.  

Times are tough and it shows up in many ways.



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Ally,
Very well said, this is one of the more thoughtful posts I have read in a long time. BTW, I wouldn' t mind being contacted by another provider.

Do you even know what you are talking about?? I'd hide from this post too.

But I did want to know how  the men thought of it . What gets me about the reaction from some not on this board is that they seem to think that because a guy writes you a review that some how makes him indented to you until you say otherwise. That was one issue. Also This is some thing I have done openly never once making it secret from providers or the clients I contacted.. So how it could be looked at as back biting or stabbing is really beyond me. I was asked  a direct  question (bit hostile) on it and I gave an immediate honest answer . I saw nothing wrong  with my actions.

FOR THE RECORD(CAPS USED FOR EMPHASIS NOT MALICE)
I DID NOT AT ANY TIME CONTACT ANY CLIENT BY PHONE  I COULDN’T T AND WOULDN’T
I DID NOT AT ANY TIME OR POINT OF CONTACT OFFER ANY THING IN MEANS OF DISCOUNT OR ADDED OR FORBIDDEN SERVICE FOR SEE-ING ME.
I DID NOT AT ANY TIME OR POINT DISCOUNT (SLAM)
THE ORIGINAL PROVIDER FROM WITCH I GAINED ACCESS TO ANY CLIENT. Man this shit gets crazy....

That would be cool!

How times change with the economy!

It is always one for oneself and oneself only. Everything else is just (?)

lolonly if you choose to view it that way. Really I think so any way. As far as a bidding war that’s when I say Game over.lol

Does anyone get pissed when they read newspaper ads from JCPenny and Macy's for the same product being sent to your home on the same day?  Come on now, what the hell is the big deal? It's called marketing and a very good business tool for our business and even though our strategy for Providing isn't learned in business school, marketing is one of the first things you learn to draw business to a business owner, and it's NOT wrong, and it's NOT tacky, it's BUSINESS!!!  When a Hobbyist is sent a PM and no one is disrespected or slammed in your PM there's nothing wrong with doing this, and YES Hobbyists usually feel this is helpful tool for them picking who they are going to see next. Hobbyists out there are a busy bunch, and men in general like when things are done for them, (come on guys you know this is true) and alley is right when she says they really Thank You for the PM they received, because it makes their "shopping" a bit easier.
and the ONLY reason another Provider would be bothered by this is possibly the feeling that work is being taken away from them. If a review says a hobbyist likes a BBW why would a thin petite provider care?? that hobbyist wouldn't call them anyway because they aren't his type!
There's nothing wrong with this practice if done in a respectful way to both the previous Provider and to the Hobbyist!
Jay

These acronyms are getting out of hand. What does TY mean?

In fact, any provider who contacts me via PM for any reason has my attention immediately.  Her chances of being contacted by me to meet in person have just increased several fold.  Recently, a provider visiting my area whom I had never met sent a PM critical of an alias post that she thought originated from me.  Although I was not guilty, this led to an exchange of messages that have became increasing friendly as it played out.  Bottom line: Next time she visits my area, I will be contacting her to meet in person.  I will end my post here; I think I have made my point...

this is the  way I did see it just in both manners stated. And thank all the ladies who responded with out burying me or trying to. I have posted other topics on other boards and rarely get responses.. one or two. It's like they are all brain dead...seriously I know that when I post here I will get an intelligent well rounded varying points of view even if it's not what I want to hear...But then that is the point. Just a thought Cheers Livie.

I have seen providers who contacted me out of the blue as a result of some post I've made on here or another board I participate on.

They impressed me by their wit and charm and I succumbed to my lasting satisfaction.

I don't see anything wrong in that.  Some others didn't impress me as much and I didn't see them.

It sure beats all the spam I get for Viagra, that's for sure.

I would probably not complain about it.
The problem is that certain hobbyists would become targets for many providers. Some of the popular hobbyists could be bombarded with unwanted PM's.
On the other hand, if a provider would choose carefully, and be frugal with PM's, I personally would not mind.

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is a benefit in and of itself and quite a few times leads to interest on my part....

I don't see this a poaching from other providers. And, if the lady has done her homework and really is the type of provider I normally see, this wouldn't bother me in the least. Hell, I'm on TER and EROS a lot, trying to find a provider who's my "type."  If they save me the trouble of looking, I'm fine with that.

I've not yet rec'd a spam via the TER PM system.

Banter on the boards has led to PM's which have led to dates.  And very high quality ones at that!

(Wink-Wink Alex)

I want to post a statement to your reaction tomy "survival if the fittest" , first of all I agree with marketing yet, my putting a link was actually a spontaneous reaction. Ofcourse ,I am not anti Marketing yet,let me reiterate I was NOT schilling myself.lol if i had realized this was going to cause a reaction inwhich i was going to be lynched (not really just kidding ) i would have made it clear to not to put a link. please take notice ,I  do not have my link attatched.I see your terrific posts,Livie and I am here as a benign provider meaning no ill will. so My personal apologies if you really thought i used this discussion as a form of promoting myself. Im a woman that believes in peace and care .I do not want to offend anyone nor defend myself to anyone.so please take the "olive branch"

"the ONLY reason another Provider would be bothered by this is possibly the feeling that work is being taken away from them. "

No, some ladies would be bothered by this practice because (as I mentioned) they see it as being no different than having the same lady advertise under her weekly posts, etc.  

As I also mentioned, some ladies might feel it is violating the anti-SPAM rules of the board, and well, that it is rude and tacky (my own personal feeling.)

You do not need to slam ladies who are bothered by this, anymore than they should slam you for doing this.  We all do what we feel is right and what what works for us, personally.  Obviously this practice works for some, and some gents don't mind... more power to them!

Yet, I very deeply feel this is tacky and certainly will never be one of my business practices.  If Livie simply wanted justification for something she does, she can take this thread and run with it.  IIf Livie truly wanted opinions, she will be willing to hear alternate opinions that she may not like such as mine, and she should understand I am NOT the only one who feels this way, and it is NOT a feeling born of a sense of competition or in some way an indication of negative character from me.

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S.

However, PS:
I'm curious, if this is truly being done respectfully and discreetly... how would anyone ever KNOW it was being done?  Obviously for anyone to be upset about it, someone isn't simply saying, "Hi big boy... I see you enjoy role play and large breasts, I think you'd like my company!"  That is fine.  "Hi big boy, since you loved X so much, you should visit me!"  THAT is what I see as tacky.

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FU which is why I didn't recognize it.

are in competition for our business.

Naturally, a different perspective.

When Livie and I were speaking via phone she mentioned to me that she has contacted Gents from my reviews. I stated I wasn't overly pleased with this type of action but she calls it marketing. Why am I unpleased...I have spent my time Screening those who have reviewed me, I have spent time connecting with them via phone and email before meeting when they desired so, I shared time with them earning that review.
I really don't know what was stated when she contacted them and don't want Gents to think I suggested she contact them. If they are interested in someone else, they know how to find her. Three are some sites I pay for and don't care for someone working off what I pay for.
Why it doesn't bother me, I do not own any Gent. They will see whomever them desire. If they desire to see me again they know how to reach me. I have never gotten a bad review (knock on wood)so I believe my reviews will show who and what I am all about which will bring new Gents.
Marketing, if you feel times are slow there are plenty of Classy ways to market yourself. Search for new places to post an Ad. Try paying for your Ad to be highlighted, moved higher, whatever the case may be. Offer a Special, which I did notice you are doing. Update your photos again. Add yourself into the search engines. Build a Fan Club where Screened gents can get to know you.
Advice, not all reviews out there are real. From what I understood speaking with you lastnight you are contacting these Gents off the E site. I have had the site remove reviews of Gents I never saw. Now, how do you know the Gent actually saw the Lady ? Maybe he was after a month of free VIP, Maybe the reviewer drives a cute lil car that is supplied to him with pretty lights and is allowed to carry a pistol (and not the kind we like.)
Like I told you, do what you feel you are comfortable with. Some of us may not agree but some may. You are the one who has to live with your actions every night when you go to bed.
I will give you credit for at least telling me you used my reviews. I am flatter that all my effort building a good rep is paying off to the point you would use mine.
No disrespect intended in this post, just my point blank thoughts. You know me well enough to know I am a straight shooter who has no problem speaking her thoughts.
Any issues with my thoughts feel free to give me a call.
I do honestly wish you the best,
Tori

(U said) Can you imagine what she could do with all the screening info she had on you if you actually saw her………

??.What screening info where is it in any post about collecting personal info???

(U said) Another reason I don't review as often as I should and use an alias to post.


???As you should ??? Under what obligation are you  to right reviews good or bad?? Felling a bit full of self are ya??

(U said)It would be fine if this was a normal business but the hobby is not a normal business. I am really not comfortable with any sort of snooping into my private life.

??Again who where is it that anyone snooped into any  clients  info ??

(U said)Providers often remind clients that this is a business and we are paying for their time and there is a fine line that we should not cross etc
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Well this one ya got right.

(U said) Well, I would like to remind providers that this is a business albeit not a normal one and there is a fine line you should not cross and one of them is privately snooping on another providers clients.

?? privately snooping on another providers clients.?? this is your tell!!


Snooping on another providers  clients……. Again where is it stated that any one Snooped any thing??
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This is your big tell sister!!!   I’m not buying it and I’m sure many others aren’t either.
And in regard to not seeing me …………If in fact you are a man well then...

Buy all means please do walk on by You couldn’t read my web site any way and  I don’t tolerate cowards.

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BC the site that I reefer to is one that you can see who views you and viscera
So you put 2 &2 together and you have your answer.

So there is truly NO WAY TO HIDE it AND I DID NOT.

Again I’m not looking for justification ,yet at some point defense is needed.

Yes I will take in consideration all opinions epically the ones I don’t Like.

Like I have stated  I did not see my action in this case  on that board as wrong
So to hear other prospective on this matter was needed as not available on the other.

So I do hope this clears up the how did she know question Bc It’s done that way on that board all the time.Cheers Livie

This is perfect……….
No I did not mean it as a opooooooo see what you did u bad bad girl.lol  But it was just the point that we all do it  and no one should be IMHO looking at it as client steeling backstabbing thread high jacking   or being a height and mighty bitch.

It’s just a plug nothing less nothing more
I’m sssooo into the olive branch  and I did not take your opinion as a slam.
I just felt that if I did not stay focused on the issue I would have been HUNG.lol

I could read your website if I wanted too but I really don't care about reading free websites and neither do I have any reason to read your website.

Now just my observation. You seem to be fighting a losing war on many, many fronts. Are you ready to waive the white flag yet?

This entire thread proves my point on why I use an alias. If you think I am a coward, maybe in your dreams.

Prove it!!!!!!!

Just voicing my opinion like everyone else here, and if you take that as attitude so be it, but it was written with none!
Jay

and I agree with you that if she is targeting your clientele base by scanning your reviews, and contacting the hobbyists that had reviewed you, well, that is pretty low.

I agree but as I told her she and I have different views on this. That is probably what started this threat in the first place. She needs to do what she needs to do even if I do feel it is slimy business.
After knowing Livie for quite some time and speaking with her via phone I do know she is a sweet Lady with a good heart. She is very business like but this isn't your average business.

Again you don't know the whole story so you might want to reserve the pot calling the kettle black comments. Just a thought.