Screening?

I'll buy all the damn tickets myself and forego the silly broke asshole here. I hate to fucking lose.

What do you think about this idea?

A lottery for Hobbyists were the Provider is the Prize!!!  Let's play

Each Hobbyist "purchases" a $20 Hobby Lottery Ticket (payable to the Provider).  You get a number between 1-1000.  The winner "gets" the 1 hour session.

Why?  Why the fuck not!  OK here is how the math works in favor of the Provider.

Say 40 guys bought tickets.  That's $800.  The Provider only has to provide for 1 hour at $300 or $400.  She receives her fee and EXTRA $$$.

The Hobbyist only has to pay $20 for a chance to get a $300 or $400 "ride".

Winners all around, heh.

What would you all do without me and my perverted mind?

Thought and opinions please.

Now how else would a gal feel about your idea? Ha ha. So how many tickets would you buy Ridge?

where everyone who gets in the door has been screened..

Still a provider can have issues with the winner. What if the winner is on her personal DNS list?. In that case its a bummer...

One thing that can be done in that case, however, is that the winner is refunded his $20 or whatever he contributed and we play again while he watches us with a sad face..

In the form of a card game. I didn't have many players, maybe because I was new last year, or maybe no one was interested in MN, but either way, it didn't pan out to make me much of anything :S Not even a regular or two! lol. Maybe a lady with a great big client list would be able to make this happen easily.

Last year for MY birthday month, thinking I would "gift" a lucky client with something nice.

Men came out of the woodwork trying to win that free session. Some I had never heard of before. Of course I told everyone that screening was a MUST for the winner, and if the winner didn't pass screening then the winnings defaulted to the next person.

That guy that won was a new client (even though I secretly hoped one of my regulars would win- but I wanted to be fair!) and he even booked a multi-hour session so despite giving him a free hour I still made more money!

All in all, it wasn't a bad idea. Maybe I'll do it again this year for my birthday (coming up in March)!

Always buying your way into, and out of things eh?

So how was CPA?
That was quick! Hope you untied him.
You may need your trusty dictionary here bub.
Clean the shit off your dick, and lighten up a little.
Or report me, and become a total pussy.

I'm guessing things are a tad slow?

Yea...the last guy to bring this up got 17,580 PM's in his inbox from members...and blew up his inbox and his handle was lost forever.

One can only hope  

Posted By: Ridgetucky

What do you think about this idea?

A lottery for Hobbyists were the Provider is the Prize!!!  Let's play

Each Hobbyist "purchases" a $20 Hobby Lottery Ticket (payable to the Provider).  You get a number between 1-1000.  The winner "gets" the 1 hour session.

Why?  Why the fuck not!  OK here is how the math works in favor of the Provider.

Say 40 guys bought tickets.  That's $800.  The Provider only has to provide for 1 hour at $300 or $400.  She receives her fee and EXTRA $$$.

The Hobbyist only has to pay $20 for a chance to get a $300 or $400 "ride".

Winners all around, heh.

What would you all do without me and my perverted mind?

Thought and opinions please.

So your plan is to have a provider spend days to screen 40 guys so that she can make roughly the equivalent of what she makes on two appointments...

I am a "quant" by training.  And I will not go into the math here.  But statistically speaking in any lottery you really don't increase your chances by buying multiple tickets.

In addition to the GangBang, Ridgetucky Tour and this lottery.  Which BTW does not benefit me at all!!!!

Providers sorry but I am not going to be able to respond to each of the PMs with specific answers but I will just give some pointers here.

**  In this day and age $$$ can be sent electronically with little or no hassle.  What you don't want is thousands of dollars going into ANY account suddenly.  So you may have to split the pool.  Example:  10 guys send $20 to Pay***.  Another 10 guys send $20 to (insert electronic transfer service here).  Large influxes of cash are your enemy.  Keep the amount of cash going into any account limited to $100 or so every 2-3 days.  Takes a lot of work but it beats working in a sausage factory.  (pun intended damn man I am a really funny guy)

**  Prescreening is done BEFORE a "ticket" is bought.

**  The 1-1,000 # system is pretty simple.  When Hobbyist buys a ticket he picks a number (if the same # is picked the 2nd guy must pick a different #).  The guy closest to the # YOU picked is the winner.  Really it can't get anymore simple.  If you can't understand that REALLY I can't help you.

**  Verification of winner.  ECON 101 - Capital flows towards returns.  If you cheat the market will find out and pretty damn quick.  But just in case here is the Referee.  TER is our friend.  The Winner of a lottery must be announced on this board.  Said Winner must verify his acceptance and receipt of the prize.  Obviously this is my bias so suggestions please.

For all you fucking haters out there remember this.  This is pay for play.  You may be the nicest fucking guy on the planet.  But guess what that won't get you LAID.  These ladies want to be paid for their services and I may be the ASSHOLE but I pay up and I pay big.

Ladies, any of these Punks who hide behind aliases thinking of ways to get you more $$$.  Didn't think so!!!!!

I'm sure that many would really appreciate the incredible statistical skills of a quant  LOL

So...how's that tour coming?  Is the circus coming to Chicago?  We've got one of the Top BSC hookers that you should see.  You two would make a perfect combo!

Did you get a hold of blue6314?  He was missing from our last meeting  

Sometimes I feel like poking the troll cage and sometimes I don't...

But I guess when one talks to invisible friends...they all tell you how brilliant you are.

Is 420 legal yet in Ohio?  Or are you just getting high the old fashioned way?

And if I could...I would ask Harvey to click on it as well.

Don't forget all those grateful hookers that are PM'ing ole Ridge.  Why didn't they click on it as well?

They were too busy sending out those PM's to get on the Ridgetucky Lottery tour!

Hey Ridge...how about we take your brilliant idea to Wall Street and see if we can syndicate this?

A quant like you should make it a slam dunk!

Numbers don't lie...

But people do  LOL

Since I'm a guy and a customer I try not to tell the ladies/providers how they should think.  I'm not in their shoes.

The 40 tickets was based on your example.  The reality is that the fewer tickets they sell the less they earn over and above the price of one date so the research involved in screening multiple customers becomes even more of a burden. Ridge, you have no idea what goes into screening a single client nor do you have any way of knowing what these ladies have going on in their lives aside from escorting.  If it takes 30 minutes of effort to screen one guy that would be five hours to screen ten. Even if she doubles your per-ticket price she's only making $400 to invest five hours on her computer/phone and one hour on her back.  She can make the same $400 by screening one guy or seeing a regular.

It makes more sense to screen the winner and then refund his $20 bucks if he doesn't pass screening.

Now let's talk about how the tickets get "purchased" to begin with.  Are there going to be ten, twenty, thirty or forty guys coming to her in call to buy the tickets?

I appreciate the compliment Ridge but I simply have no patience for foolish meanderings like this. Your not the first guy to suggest it and the reasons why it doesn't work never change.

Thinking like a guy? How about just thinking. Period.  Your just bored.  Maybe you need some other hobbies aside from P4P and the diarrhea of the keyboard that you continually display here on TER.

And let's be honest.  This plan is all about you suggesting a way for guys to get laid for $20. If you put any real thought into it you would know that the financial incentive for the provider is minimal.


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Maybe ole Ridge can explain it all to my dumb ass?

Wasn't "quant" one of those aliens on Star Trek Voyager?

not like a Provider.  Do the math.  Screening is just sending out emails.  Yes that's work but not hard work.  The upside is that the woman gets almost double the fee of a normal date.  The guy gets a chance to get a full session at a fraction of the cost.  It's a win win.

The Provider can decide how many tickets she sells. 10, 20, 30, 40 etc.

You are without a doubt the wisest Hobbyist on TER.  But you are still thinking like a guy.

Notice no Providers have knocked my idea?  (I don't respond to aliases.)

how much more time that would involve aside from the one hour appointment to accomplish something like that?
Developing and implementing/marketing/advertising: 4-6 hours.
Sorting through as responding to 40+ emails/phone calls: 8-72 hours
Screening/Verification/Reference Checks: 12-24 hours.
Responding to emails for bargain rates proceeding lottery drawing: endless

Cost Analysis=Negative profit margin.


The constant bargaining/schemes/etc (aka pandering)  is tiresome and not a good luck for a man...just sayin..

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I'm going to send you, or anyone else $20. Hold your breath, no really. LOL

While it's a great idea it's not going to happen.

I like your gangbang idea better

Posted By: Ridgetucky

What do you think about this idea?

A lottery for Hobbyists were the Provider is the Prize!!!  Let's play

Each Hobbyist "purchases" a $20 Hobby Lottery Ticket (payable to the Provider).  You get a number between 1-1000.  The winner "gets" the 1 hour session.

Why?  Why the fuck not!  OK here is how the math works in favor of the Provider.

Say 40 guys bought tickets.  That's $800.  The Provider only has to provide for 1 hour at $300 or $400.  She receives her fee and EXTRA $$$.

The Hobbyist only has to pay $20 for a chance to get a $300 or $400 "ride".

Winners all around, heh.

What would you all do without me and my perverted mind?

Thought and opinions please.

Oh please.  If spelling and grammar are the best you can do go right ahead and take your shot.  I made my point. Your obsession with my posts is a bit puzzling but hey, whatever gets you through the day...

"Chasing hookers". Dude, if you pay them they come to you. No need to chase them. Or haven't you figured that out yet?

It costs me less than two bucks every morning.  I'd sooner shoot myself in the head than pay four bucks for a cup of coffee.

You reference Ridge's post as keyboard "diarrhea" and then proceed to post that novel with two modifications?  
Despite two separate modifications it still contains grammatical errors.  For your edification, you should have used "you're" instead of "your" in that diatribe.  You frequently make that error.  Perhaps you should spend less time chasing hookers and your delusion that you are the TER police and go get an education.
Your declarations that you have "no patience for foolish meanderings" on a public (and free) fuckboard is the height of self-delusional arrogance.  

Go take a hard look in the mirror before you trash your peers.  Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

No new idea ever works until it is put into the marketplace and then the market accepts it.  Yes, I know it seems weird.  But in 1980 paying more than $0.50 for a cup of coffee was considered weird as well.  The only way to know if Americans would pay for premium coffee was to actually do it.  Now look at the country.  YOU may not pay $4 for coffee but plenty of other people do.

The screening could be done upfront or at the end.  The woman decides and post that clearly upfront.  For example she only wants to screen one person.  Then she runs the lottery and only screens the winner.  It's not necessary to screen all the players.

Again, the provider decides how many tickets and the price.  Maybe she only wants to sell 5 tickets at $60.  If the market is there the 5 tickets will sell if not the purchases receive a credit for the cost of their ticket or the $$$ is refunded.  Again up to the provider and all terms clearly stated upfront.  My post was merely an example of what could be done.  Obviously there would be variations made by the woman.

Boston, certainly you don't go to the incall to buy a ticket.  You do that electronically and believe me it is not hard to do.  More than enough electronic services exist to make this possible.  See my post below.

Of course it is a way for guys to get laid for $20, $30, $40, even $100.  But the fact is the math simply works.  It is not rocket science.

Boston, I hobby because I enjoy it.  

This all could be done with an and on the (insert city here) TER ad board.  Total time you will spend will be about 30 minutes.  Let me explain.

**  Post an ad on NYC board announcing lottery and terms.  About 5 minutes.  You decide the number of tickets and price.  My 40 ticket example was JUST AN EXAMPLE.  You could sell 3 tickets at $100 each or 300 tickets at $5 each.  YOU DECIDE NO ONE ELSE.

**  No need to run a reference check on all participants.  Clearly state only the winner will be screened.  Time to screen one winner (you decide but I am going to guess that sending 3 emails requesting reference check should not take more than 10-20 minutes for YOU to compose).  Time to receive answer is not factored into this equation.  

**  Re: emails/phone calls.  State upfront emails and phone calls will not be responded to for lottery deals.  In regards to bargain hunters that is simply a part of the business.  Will it increase with a lottery?  Probably.  But you stand to make double the amount of a normal date.  First asshole that ask for a discount?  Do what you normally do HANG UP.  

I'm not buying any of your logic.  It's only a good idea for the guy who wins.  For the lady it's break even at best when you consider the time involved in running the raffle and potential screening issue since guys will be coming out of the woodwork who are used to seeing $100 Back Page girls and have no references and don't want to give out screening info.

You let us all know when you place your first electronic $20 bid for a date with an escort.  I'll be waiting...

Lotteries don't have guaranteed winners and I am not trying to get a discount.  

Is there anything in my post that favors me over another guy?  

Did I say anything about sending $$$ to me personally?  How is the post pandering or scheming?


The Provider actually receives MORE THAN HER RATE!!!!!  

The guy pays less (yes).  But no one is getting a discount.  It is simply a pooling concept.  You are so focused on guys paying less that you failed to see that the provider receives MORE.  Whether it is 40 tickets at $20, 20 tickets at $40, 3 tickets at $100, ETC.  The combinations are endless.  At no point does the Provider lose.  No point.  Even if the required number of tickets are not sold the Provider could offer a credit (in the amount of the ticket) for the guy on his next appointment.

IN EVERY POSSIBLE COMBINATION THE PROVIDER WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the ticket is purchased.  

Sorry I got that one wrong but based upon feedback from Providers I did not take into account screening.  Clearly state upfront that ONLY the winner will be screened.  Thus, no need to screen 10, 20 or 30 guys.

In addition,  ladies please the 40 ticket example was just a damn example.  

You decide how many tickets you want to sell and at what price.  

The math combination is endless.  10 tickets at $35.  1,000 tickets at $1.  etc






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is a billionaire.

Boston, you may not like my idea but the math logic is sound.  There is no way to dispute it.  Any way you work the math the Provider comes out on top (pun intended).

I got some of the initial details wrong but based upon feedback it has been revised.  Screening is now revised for only the winner.  The number of tickets and price was always at discretion of the Provider.  She can do the math to calculate to be overpaid for a session (i.e., to be overpaid by $50, $100, etc.).  The Hobbyist benefits as well.  You get a shot to bang a Provider at less than the going rate.  Not guaranteed but you get a shot for less than the actual rate.

No one loses in this scenario.

Peace.

But we're going to Dunkin Donuts, F' Starbucks!

Time to check on your medication.  Seems like you need to get those levels corrected.

An just curious...why not just reply to the PMs directly.  All those hookers like the personal touch.

And a quant....my nine year old nephew is more sophisticated in his stats analysis than you seem to be.

Come up with a new job...at least one that is almost palpable.

because as I stated a couple of years ago.  Even though we may disagree on a the issues.  I respect your knowledge of the Hobby life.  

under the lottery system for one hour.

Damn, the education system in some countries is a fuckin shame.

I will gladly pay more in taxes if it increases the basic education of my fellow citizens.

20*40 = $800 for 1 hour or 40*20 = 800 for 1 hour.  Or 30*50 = 1,500 for one hours or 20*30=$600 for one hour.  You decide the number(s) no one else.  

I mean really my 9 year old can do the damn math.  Is it really that hard?

Where the FUCK did you read the word auction.  Or can you read?

P.S.  Let's have a pop quiz OK.  Which weighs more a pound of feathers or a pound of bricks?

Screeing and either accepting or denying ONE client willing and capable to pay 400/h vs having no choice but to fuck one of forty clients willing and capable to pay 20 bucks.

Having a light bulb moment here yet?

I've always wondered what you are on .. now i wanna know.

Lottery WITHOUT guaranteed winner is called ... ummm.. lemme think ... FRAUD!

Does he write your reviews for you as well?

Please run any of your future troll posts by him so he can slap you upside the head.

Your wife must be so proud of you.

Quant indeed. LOL

Your idea is not bad, and i have seen other ladies do something along these lines, but all the guys would have to be in HER local area. If she has to travel to pay up, not gonna happen. Also, how would you know she was not just going to lie about x winning the date, and her paying up? Unless you guys got to see the roster of every guy who played, how are you to know she did not just pretend some fake ass hobbyist won?

Oh, and they both weigh the same...a pound, is a pound! See, us swamp girls are not all that dumb from huffing paint, but I had ya thinking it.

I guess big shot finance dude like yourself has no idea about such concept  as entry barriers.

Price serves as a way to filther potential clients.  Which part of this simple concept you don't get?

If we were talking about selling a PRODUCT, then yes your idea makes sense.  Buy 1 dollar ticket for a chance to with 100 dollar ITEM.  Seller collects 200 dollars in lotto tickets and ships 100 item to one winner.  As a seller in this scenario i don;t give a flying fuck if 200 people participating in this lotto could not possibly ever afford my product.  I don't care about their socioeconomic, intellectual or physical attributes.  I am selling a PRODUCT.

In this business we sell INTIMACY.

Believe it or not, but i actually give a fuck who I am intimate with.

My first mistake in a math proof.  Is assuming everyone understood the "given" assumptions.  You got it obviously.  So I will "try" not to say anything bad about you again. No promises though

Yes, the lottery deal is local (some of the smaller cities probably would not work).  Yes, it is not meant to replace the current system.  It could be done by a Provider at her discretion (once a month, once a year, etc.).  

As far as lying.  My post below states the specifications for that.  It involves announcing by Provider on Hobbyist on TER.  

Example:  London Lottery Special:

*  40 Guys buy a lottery ticket at $20 a piece (total received by London = $800)

*  Which entitles the winner to a one hour session (value $400)

*  London receives $800 for a one hour session.  Double her current rate

*  The Hobbyist has the chance to win a $400 session for $20.  (that is 5% of the prize value).

*  London only screens the winner (repeat screen one guy not 40)

*  Money is paid by electronic payment services directly to London.

The numbers above are pure examples.  They can be switched by the Provider.

I give London alot of credit for posting publicly.  So many Providers PMed me asking questions.  I can't make it any simpler.  Seriously like I am done.  

The most I ever paid for a session was $1,400.  Do any of you Providers think that I would come on here and try to get laid for $20

clearly you don't get basic math sweetie.  I can't make this any more clear.

It is a lottery to be held at your discretion (once a month, once a year, once in a lifetime - who gives a shit it is your choice).

You decide the price of the ticket and the # of tickets.  One guy wins.  One guy that's it.  NOT 40 guys.  You only screen the winner.  

Who gives a shit if the guy paid $20.  In the end you receive $800.   Get your head out of your ass and look at the numbers.  You are so fucking focused on that $20 price you completely missed that you receive DOUBLE YOUR RATE.  

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT GET THAT?  REPEAT SO THE FUCK WHAT IF THE GUY ONLY PAID $20 - YOU JUST MADE $800.  HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT GET THAT CONCEPT.  I MEAN GOD DAMN THIS IS LIKE 4TH GRADE MATH.  IT REALLY CANNOT BE ANY MORE FUCKING CLEAR.  YOU RECEIVE $800 WHICH IS TWICE YOUR NORMAL RATE.  DO YOU REALLY FUCKING NOT GET THAT?  SERIOUSLY CAN YOU FUCKING READ AND DO BASIC MATH.  YOU FUCKING GET DOUBLE YOUR NORMAL RATE.  YOU GET TWICE THE MONEY FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF WORK.  REALLY THIS IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?


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A very well-known provider used to run a lottery in which the entrants were everyone who wrote a review of her during the prior year.  Last year I won.  The prize was a free one-hour session, normally costing $500.  I sprung for an extra 30 minutes for $150.  And then she wanted me to fuck her ass.  I know, it sounds too good to be true.  But it wasn't.  Sucks to me me.  Am I rubbing this in?  I guess.  Deal.

Wow ridge you can not read can you? She didn't say she would have to sleep with 40 guys. She said she doesn't want to screen all 40 as any of them could win so all would have to have passed screening right? She also said that the sort of guy that can pay her regular rate is of a certain calaber generally whereas the sort of guys that may want to take part at only a $20 investment on their part may not be the sort of guys she would want to see.

A. She already met each and single guy in "lotto Pool"

B.  She is using it as pretty cool marketing approach

C. she can manipulate (in a good way) review volume by providin this incentive.

I used to run "Ad Caption" contests.  Come up with coolest line for my ad and get extra hour.

Ridge can't figure that in business of fucking for money. money may not be all deciding factor.

Using your math with the London example, the possibility of a good deal for her is exactly why it would be a bad deal for me.  If  it's the Mega Lotto, it may make sense to make a bet against the odds.  It's a long shot, but the retun is spectacular - no way i get a shot at it without bucking the odds.  But when I could just shoot London an inquiry email the next time she's in town, and, assuming I get through her screening, pay the $400, why make a bad bet?   Under your scenario, how much would I have to spend before I had a 50/50 chance of winning?  More than that $400.

And, as ladies have already pointed out, the screening time, money transfer and other admin. stuff makes it a horrible deal for London.  And what if only five tickets are sold?  She's screwed (pun intended). And if 500 tickets are sold, it's great for her but a truly horrible bet for me.

And, as to your question of "why the fuck not" - besides the bad odds, --

what if London is a lady who asks for some personal info to screen.  I may be ok giving that to a lady with whom I have an appointment,  but giving it for a one in twenty possibility, I think not.

Proposing investments like this is why some people have less faith in their bankers.

...not constitute a man I want to meet.
It takes away my option of choice. No choice in the matter makes it forced upon me and I won't have that..Eva
I have no doubt your intent isn't ill-willed but rather just a curiosity.
Also, selling lottery for my kitty would be like Prada auctioning off a purse at Kmart. In the end, it portrays a negative and desperate image which only leads to a poor perception about it.
Nite Nite...my man kitty wants to snuggle..

You only buy one ticket for $10, $20, $30, $40 etc.  Buying more tickets defeats the point of the lottery which is to get a $400 value for a low price.  Yes you could book a session for $400 and you should but the lottery is like a once a year carnival.  it is not meant to done in lieu of a regular dates.

The screening is a non-issue as only the winner would be screened.  If he does not pass the screen the woman moves to the next guy.  Disclaimer upfront that all entrants must be able to pass screening.

If five tickets are sold then the guy gets a credit for his next date or the $$$ is refunded.  Provider decides.

Money transfer is extremely simple see my prior post about e transfer services.  Avoid large influxes of cash rapidly is the only problem.

Lady wants personal info to screen and you don't want to give?  Don't play the fucking game.  Really man that's very simple.

As far as no faith in bankers.  Really?  Where is you gonna put your money in the sock drawer?  

If you wanna talk finances, lets talk finances.

40 transfers of $20 dollars.

In this industry, the only more or less acceptable way of accepting these funds would be greendot money packs.  PayPal and Credit Cards leave paper trail.

Prepaid cards in a lot of cases requre certain fee per transaction.  40 deposits of $20 money packs will get an account shut down sooner than you can loose your customers money in one of your genius investments.

Also, it takes TIME to process all these money packs.  Even if a provider was spending just 1.5 minutes to enter each money pack info she would spend one hour entering that data.

Some prepaid accounts also charge anywhere from one to two dollars per transaction.

Finally, how do you see refunds?  Would you like a provider to mail you check to your residence in case you win and don't pass her screening?

No wonder we had to bail you guys out.

Ok, but you basically gave shady providers a way to rip a guy off lol. How are YOU guys who entered going to know who won, and if she actually paid him with a free date? What if London says CPA won, and I just said "Look dude, here's a 100 bucks, so just pretend I paid up." He made 100, and I made 7 lol. I don't have to actually do shit in this case.

It's who she or any one doing this might meet up with. If I understand her correctly any guy can pony up $20 bucks and be creepy dude, unless part of her screening was two to three current references, a board presence or full personal info. I think she is referring to those who can afford the $400 might just be a better sort. And sometimes all the money in the world can't make up for a guy that makes your skin crawl or worse. This is not always about the numbers but who a lady wants to be alone with.

I see where your head is at but what we do is intimate and potentially dangerous if you meet with the wrong type and we try very hard to weed out the really dangerous creepy ones and some of us use a price point and well, many other things. Not 100% fool proof but we do what we feel works for "us" (us being the individual lady).

I like your idea. And let me add that if a lady has a stable of regulars and tried that she would not have to worry about strangers, but the chance to give one of her regulars a great session with a lady he already knows at a substantially discounted price and make a little extra as well.

That is why the pre screening is a must. She ONLY has to accept the ticket buyers from guys she actually wants to see. Just thinking out loud, because I know there are too many cheap bastards to even pony up 20 bucks for fear of losing it lol. If they can't pay a 100 dollars in a deposit, knowing they are getting laid, why would they pay 20 bucks for something that may not happen at all?