I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with screening.  I certainly think the ladies should do whatever they think is necessary to insure their safety.  

I am an older semi-retired guy (so no Linkedin) who really doesn't see that many ladies (no references) and P411 really doesn't cover my geographic area (so no verification sites & no OKs).  

It's tough to screen for me.  What should I do?

I do not require references, nor do I accept Linkedin, and P411 does not screen for the providers safety, so everything you mentioned does not matter to me. I have been doing my own homework because my safety is very important as the only active parent to my children. I recommend booking a top-rated, reputable provider that fits your needs & ask her to whitelist you here on TER. I whitelist gents after meeting because to me it is a personal vouch that your a true gentleman. Sharing is caring & that is what this board is all about. I want my friends to be your friends & we all can be friends.

I was just thinking I should create my own website that verifies potential clients because it is needed. My identical twin has over a 100 reviews here on TER, and between her, and a few other provider friends it would be pretty simple. Years in this industry has taught me that many of the fellas here are recycled. Long ago I had my own Escort agency in San Diego & would introduce all my new friends. Everyone is different, but it should not be difficult to be verified. Sorry your having trouble. I would love to help!

I think simply note your situation and then ask what alternative screening the provider or agency might offer beyond the standard reference/social media info they might accept. If there are specific things you will not consider, say an unredacted ID or even an ID at all, you might mention that up front.

thx so much.  I had the pleasure of meeting you in Chas SC just before covid hit and probably haven't seen more than a handful of ladies since.  I'm glad to see you have overcome and are doing well.

I love this post QueenBia, most of the ladies I have seen don’t care for TER, therefore I don’t expect to be whitelisted, I always ask the provider if it’s okay to write a review on TER, and the answer is usually no, I always respect the providers wishes, in fact I had this one high class provider who wouldn’t see me when I told her I was a member of TER and she tore into me, she absolutely hates TER!!

Some ladies ask for a job ID , and may discreetly call your  job to ensure  you work there. This is a good thing, because  if shit happens there are footprints  to find you. Also she can do a background  check  in real time as well using  the name and photo .

...anyone else can now find you, say, if "shit happens" such as...

-her boyfriend/pimp/scheduler etc decides to go separate ways and has the providers clientele personal info
-she gets busted by the cops and turns the info over to the DA
-she gets busted by the IRS and they now have all the data
-she gets hacked by someone targeting providers hoping to find a goldmine of data to convert to easy revenue

Or, she gets tired of the lifestyle and vocation and decides to turn you into her personal annuity for the next 5 years.  

Enjoy!

This is an extremely negative posts & your thoughts are all bad. 100% Independent Woman of Leisure, like me would never do anything you have listed it’s a complete shit show. After over 20 years in the industry you have class & a reputation to protect. Integrity is a must.

Right??? Or what if you get into a car accident on the way to see a lady? Or the condom breaks and now she is pregnant and wants to keep the baby OR you end up with an incurable STD??  Or *gasp* have a heart attack while you are going to pound town and DIE??? Too many what ifs. You should probably retire from the hobby. Your life and health is way too important to be dealing with this silliness.

You're making a general assumption stemming only from you never doing any of this.

 
Reputation of providers is a thing that many providers dont care about if tarnished, as long as they get short-term profits. They can always rebrand under a different name different phone and different pics.

It's puzzling you complain about his post being "negative", and yet you don't complain about people saying negative stuff about mongers, when they try to support the argument of why screening is needed.  

 
In other words, why arent you giving same benefit to the mongers as you do to providers? Ah I get it, many bad actor mongers out there, but all providers are saints who never did anything bad to mongers.

P411 "covers" everywhere. You can still get an account there.

 
Don't ladies tour/visit where you are??

 
I didn't think any ladies paid attention to whitelists anymore. As has been mentioned, many don't like reviews and don't like TER.

You obviously consider my (and others) concerns about privacy frivolous so Ok, I’ll play with you on this.  Car accident; unless you witnessed this out of your hotel window and somehow identify that my car is involved are you going to use my personal info to contact my immediate family on my behalf or…are you just saying life is already dangerous ie driving a car?? I’m actually confused here.
Condom break;  will you note in MY information file that there was a biohazard incident where fluids were inadvertently exchanged? Would you simply journal or Dear Diary this or write yourself a work related injury/work comp claim against your llc?  If you did get pregnant, should I expect a subpoena in case you want to keep the baby and now have to identify the father?  (Note here—anyone barebacking and impregnating a provider should be held liable to the fullest extent of family court) Would all of your appointments 7 days before and after the incident all get subpoenaed as well?  This could be problematic for a few “innocent “ clients.
Heart Attack; if this happens, your day went to shit regardless if you had my info or not.  If you have it for this purpose that can only mean you would either intend to contact immediate family or provide to law enforcement.  Either scenario is terrible.  A spouse finding out his/her partner just died is horrific, learning I was laying on top of another naked body is not going to benefit the grievent whatsoever..  If Marshall Dillon comes to investigate a dead body in a hotel room…which IS what will happen, he will take the info you have on file. Then he will book you for solicitation and take your comm devices and demand the other names, bios and contact info.  Detectives may send letters, send emails OR may show up on other guys doorsteps someday just to “ask a few questions” about their connections to a know provider.  They will say hooker, I’m just being nice.
We can come to agreement on this though, if you can take responsibility for ALL of the providers operating above board and can assure me that ALL of that stored information is not only “deleted” but wiped from your iPhone, tablet, the cloud, google et al and you’ve created a completely secure and encrypted means of communicating so you’ll never be hacked, I’ll definitely reconsider my position on being very reluctant to provide any info that would easily identify myself if it fell in the wrong hands.

This is correct.  If your location is not listed simply ask P411 to add. I have had to do this for several of my tour sites.

The fact that you spent this much time thinking about this is really, really sad. Best of luck in life buddy.

First of all, not all Providers have a lot of social media sites. And if you "The Client" needs to speak to other "Clients" in order to get your dick hard so that you can fuck a Provider, then you got a problem.   I don't mean to be mean but it's true.

Yep, thumb typed on my phone as I watched the day's NFL recap before I went to bed.  Have about 10 minutes into debunking the reasons you came up with to have my personal information.  What took the longest was going back into the post to address all reasons listed.  I didn't address the "what if you gave me an incurable STD thing" as that just didn't make any sense.  Would a married guy with kids in school who just found out he contracted an incurable STD from you somehow feel relief that you also have his personal info on file?  Sounds like a great way to keep him quiet about it, for sure.  Of course, a provider with integrity who found themselves with an incurable STD would immediately change careers for the safety of humanity, right???

You responded to justify other's posts that providers with integrity would never use our information for nefarious purposes.  It's human nature to begin on the path of good intentions, it's also very natural for people to choose the easiest path when they run into challenges in their life.  This is where integrity can be the first casualty.  It is also the essence of the issue for many.  Is your word as good for me as it is for you?

Your best, and most honest argument should have, and should continue to be, requesting client's personal information to check their background for past criminal activity and to ensure they are who they claim to be provides you with an acceptable level of safety for what you do.  

At that point, it's the risk/reward decision for the client to move forward or not.  This is the general debate going on, not just here in this thread but in many places.  I acknowledge your right to ask for this but I don't like where you think I shouldn't raise these points so that others may make better decisions.

Obviously you don't consider provider-facing risks from not enough screening "sad".  

 
So why are monger concerns about their privacy/info misuse colored as "sad" in your book?

 

I'm almost sure you wouldn't joke around and be facetious when it comes to YOUR safety. So why do it when it comes to monger safety.

 
I only see one plausible answer here and it's really what's sad here. You must think your (providers) safety is a lot more important than mongers' safety.

 

Can you imagine what would happen if a monger asked a provider why she screens, heard her reply and then said "Too many what ifs. You should probably retire from the hobby"? I can. It wouldn't be pretty. So why hold our safety to different standards than yours?

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it's "sad" because it neither fits her narrative nor can it be argued.  It's just reality and that creates the dilemma for both sides.  Providers can require all the info they want, mongers can choose to engage or not.   I like to remind mongers of the long term liability they face in doing their part to offset the short term liability for providers.  
That said, at the end of the day, bad guys can still create fake ID's and fake profiles with very little effort that are good enough to fool most providers.  Now that part is truly sad.

Usually the ladies trust my endorsement of a client. Even though it has been a long time since we met I still would give you a thumbs up.

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Really curious and would like an honest answer. I am an "out" provider, I do sessions out of my home, and my true identity is easy to find. Without doing a background check screening on clients how do you propose I determine who I see? Just take their word? Before I was diligent about screening I had issues with several clients. After screening and weeding through the riff raff, magically no more issues. Why do you think that is? And pray tell how I would accomplish this monumental achieved goal with my business without screening?  
And just to add more fuel to the fire, I have seen several clients that have been arrested in stings and I also have clients that are LE. When stings are done they actually purposefully do not ask for screening info as they want to net as many gents as possible in as little time as possible. So....how are you protecting yourself from this?  
But by all means, please continue to educate me on how you don't want to submit your screening info.  

You seem to misunderstand what I'm saying.

 
I completely respect and don't question you having to screen. I understand the risks you have with screening and your safety. I never said you shouldn't screen. So the questions you're asking me in this post of yours are not applicable here.  

 
Where I have the problem is at the part where guys say they also have a problem with safety, and you trying to diminish and dismiss that problem and try to make it sound like your safety matters, yet the clients safety doesn't, or at least doesn't as much. Diminishing the other sides safety and telling clients awww too many too ifs what are you pussy you shouldnt monger (I'm paraphrasing) is incredibly insulting and also telling how you view your safety vs the safety of clients.  

 
But it is important. Clients have lost their careers and even lives not being safe enough with some providers.

So all I've asked is to not diminish the other sides safety concern and view them as EQUAL to YOUR safety concerns. But it seems like too much to ask.

It is not too much at all to ask. I was asking for your honest input that you did not give. How do I maintain safety on my end without screening? If you say that you want the client/provider safety to be equal how would this be accomplished without screening? If you are going to post about clients not giving screening info to maintain their safety, you should also be indicating what providers can do to be assured the client they are going to see is safe without background screening them. And if you can also, in detail, explain to clients how they can protect themselves from LE strings considering not asking for screening is a common tactic they use to ensnare men.  Thanks in advance!

you begin your post with sincerity, include "add more fuel to the fire" in the middle and choose to end it with the passive/aggressive "please continue to educate me" part.  This doesn't need to be a hostile discussion.  You've peeled back a layer of the onion though and separated yourself from the majority of your peers.  Two people knowing each others identities is a classic case of potential mutual mass destruction if things go bad.  Weird and cryptic but It actually levels the playing field.  In my opinion, I would be much more open about who I was in this type of situation.  I have recently seen a few gals in my area who are both very well known and operate literally out of their personal residence. They, and you are belong to a very small group in your industry.

You finished another post with "best of luck Buddy" or something like that.  Why the vitriol?

There is no onion peeling. As I stated I am very open about my identity and my profession. With that being said I asked very specific questions that no one has yet to answer. If you are going to post on a board for everyone to see advice should be given completely and honestly. If a possible client is reading these comments they are seeing comments about why they should not submit their screening info to a provider to protect their identity. OK, fine. But both parties should be treated equal and fair, so how are providers supposed to feel safe and comfortable seeing a clients without screening info? This is a serious and honest question that as a provider I am more than willing to entertain. Please provide, in detail, how this to be accomplished without screening.  
Second also that I would like specific info on is if new possible clients are reading this is how you are advising them to avoid getting trapped on LE strings considering one of their verifiable ways of operating said stings is to NOT request any screening info from gents to arrest as many as possible. I would think getting arrested for soliciting a prostitute would be huge on everyone's radar as it has shown to actually make a gentleman's family, job, and life completely crumble. I am requesting specific and honest solutions to the problems.

I do not trust P411 to verify potential clients.

The first step is to acknowledge the concerns, and not laugh them off in a facetious manner.

 
As for your question, to me there is no one great solution. In an ideal world, both parties hold each other's identity and pii info so one side is not at a disadvantage.

 
I would say that without such a bidirectional trust channel, the only option right now is that you set your screening rules as you seem fit (as opposed to the price, I think your safety is paramount and you have the right to protect it as much as you want) and if customers have an issue with it, then politely only work with the customers who can satisfy it. This may mean less revenue flow, but that is a matter of safety vs money.  

 
But also respect the choice of those who cannot meet your standards of screening. Don't laugh at them for worrying about their own safety.

 
I hope that answered your question at least in some way. Cheers.

Referrals used to work very well.  With advances in technology, the access to information increased exponentially.  Telling a little gives access to a lot.  Referrals have an element of trust in them, but in my opinion, still the best source of reliable information.

You speak as though I just tumbled off the turnip truck.  lol   I have been a provider for 11 years.  I will accept referrals from reputable providers that have an internet presence and that the client has seen within the last year or so. This of course will not work for new clients that have never seen a provider or seen a provider recently. So....back to the drawing board in regards to submitting screening info to a provider.  You also never answered my question about LE stings. I will wait patiently for your in depth description as to how clients and well as providers can both have an enjoyable and safe experience without submitting screening info as well as circumventing getting arrested in an LE string as police are known to use the tactic of not requesting screening info.  Thanks!

...I know, right, who the hell am I to think I should have an opinion about my personal safety??  Well thank you for being so gracious to "wait patiently for your {my} in depth description".  Jeez, take the chip off your shoulder if you want to have a conversation.  I actually ignored your claim that LE goes out his its way to NOT ask for info as a strategy to net more sting victims in the same way where you claimed to need my info in case you gave me an incurable STD.  Still scratching my head on that one...rather than communicating thru whatever method we used to make the original arrangements, gonna send a certified letter to my home? Turn my info over to the CDC?  

I simply think that LE NOT asking for PI is at best a red herring argument.  Is there a single man out there that would think "hey, I just texted an Eros gal a photo of my DL for an appointment later in the evening, boy do I feel relieved she asked for that, now I'm sure she's not a cop!".   I'm picturing a Monty Python skit where they decide to change official strategy and begin to ask for PI which will in turn now make the mongers will feel super safe walking up to the motel door with cash in one pocket and condoms in the other.

The most honest thing I can tell you is that the threat of getting outed/extorted outweighs the threat of arrest to such extent that LE concerns don't even register with me.  This is coming from a guy who once was very young and stupid, picked up a too-good-looking girl for the neighborhood and got busted for it.  Ignorantly, I asked her if she was a cop, she replied with "would a cop do this?" and pulled her shirt up and said you can look, but can't touch without paying.   The judge slapped my hand and told me he'd better not ever see me again in his court.  I told him he wouldn't, and I meant it.  Wouldn't say it was the best thing that could have happened to me but it did curtail any desire of looking for walkers for sure.  Spent many years after enjoying the massage scene of the neighboring St. Paul joints (different county) and eventually found TER.  Operated successfully for many years after that.

I stepped away from TER for a time, my lady friends from the past had either retired or moved away from TER because of personal issues with the platform and/or members.  It was a little difficult to come back "within the circle".  There was a gal I really wanted to see and I could not come up with a recent referral option.  She rec'd me to a FBSM provider who operated on the civvie side as well as the provider side.  It cost a bit more but I still had a great massage.  I was "vetted".  Now I had a solid reference that led to other solids.  For "local" fun, I operate within the TER community and generally stay away from non-TER providers, not by choice rather I jsut find plenty of wonderful option here so why bother with anywhere else.

There are many ladies that advertise a social meeting for a fee.  This is completely legal.  In fact, isn't this what most providers claim as the basis for their business model.  If done in a public setting, it would be much safer compared to that of a monger with bad intentions using fake or stolen PI to be verified and meeting you in private.  Sure, this could be a hassle for providers that are running appointments every 90 minutes and probably not practical for those types of gals.   Maybe your next potential acquaintance takes you to lunch, hands you his ID, look at his FB/linkedin page from HIS phone.  The info is verified but retained only in your memory.  Not completely safe for him, but much better than potentially kept forever by you.  I've met ladies who were completely fine doing this and in fact, one told me being taken out to lunch was a kind of a treat as it had been a while since she'd been on a real date where she could keep her clothes on after.  

Trolling STG, Sumo, etc and making choices from only the ladies willing to take my PI is NOT going to improve my safety in any measurable amount.  Giving my PI out will never protect me from an LE sting.  EVERY contact I would give my PI too is a forever lasting contingent liability.  It's only a matter of time before someone tries to turn the info into unearned revenue.  As I explained before, human nature has most of us beginning on a path of good intentions.  Some can maintain a high ethical code, others cannot.  Third parties can intercede and create havoc.  Personal struggles can derail a person's moral character and then the path of least resistance becomes the obvious choice.  For every monger out there that is a bad actor, there's a provider that is as well.  There will never be a time where this is a completely safe environment for both sides unless it's legalized and operated at the retail level.

This is very interesting.  I was/am actually considering becoming P411 verified to get beyond the providing PI issue.  What are your concerns with this?

How would I be laughing at their safety if I am actually telling clients that one of the main things LE does is to not ask for any screening info to get as many men as possible arrested? My personal screening for my business is really here nor there as if gents do not want to send their info to me that is fine. Why are none of you actually answering the very real threat I have posed that should be one of your greatest concerns? I am actually flabbergasted that this risk that is actually the most plausible no one wants to address. I am actually laughing now at this monumental stupidity.

How would you be laughing at their safety concerns?

 
This whole post was such laughing let me remind you

"Right??? Or what if you get into a car accident on the way to see a lady? Or the condom breaks and now she is pregnant and wants to keep the baby OR you end up with an incurable STD??  Or *gasp* have a heart attack while you are going to pound town and DIE??? Too many what ifs. You should probably retire from the hobby. "

 
This was your response, facetiously laughing at safety concerns

 
And we talked specifically about information in providers hands and how it can be used against a monger.

 

See heres the difference: I don't know what safety concerns you might have, but whatever you have is your right to have and I don't contend it.

 
However, when it comes to monger safety somehow you think you know better what are concerns for mongers than mongers themselves. All you have to do is acknowledge ANY safety concerns by mongers are valid and not laugh or diminish them.

Instead you want to start a demagogy on gradations of safety concerns. All you have to do is - say it with me - tell mongers that any safety concerns about pii they might have are respected by you. But you clearly don't want to do that. Your concerns are legitimate, but monger concerns apparently aren't.

 
With each post it becomes clearer and clearer that you consider monger pii concerns inferior to your concerns of safety, when they are EQUAL

You would give this info to top providers only though, so the chances of all that you mentioned  happening  would be highly  low.