I am constantly surprised at how expensive over night rates are relative to hourly rates.  A typical situation will be a provider that charges 350 per hour and 3000 for an overnight.  That suggests to me that the provider thinks of an overnight as the equivalent of about 9 hourly sessions.  But I would think that an overnight would be a lot easier, less tiring, less work, and more pleasant than 9 hour-long sessions and if so that providers would charge less than noted above for overnights. After all, 9 sessions is 2 full days of work, maybe more.  And, as a client, at that price structure, I am going to go for 9 hourly sessions rather than an overnight

what if the guy snores or farts all night long and the provider cannot sleep or breathe?

Logically stated.

Negotiate....Negotiate.

I never quite understood that equation either... I think my overnight rate is pretty reasonable, I enjoy the no rush no worry that comes with overnights, almost like a siesta from life. Even better when it includes good food, a night on the town and quality company :

Of a provider I've seen a few times. Then i started thinking of it from the ladies' point of view. As Tallguy implies, it may not be the most romantic time that can be had and they may not want to spend a whole night with a virtual stranger.   I think a high price is a way of saying they don't really want to do it.

I think it has to do with whether or not the gal enjoys them or not.

Also many gals do not even advertise an overnight rate and prefer to work it out on an individual after she has gotten to know him so she can determine whether she enjoys being with him or not.

you see you are paying for their time.

I might, if I had the money, do a 3-4 hour session at night and then have her come back for another hour or two in the morning, but unless she was not only providing but was a trusted friend as well who wasn't On the Clock.  Why pay for something you are unconcious for?

If you hobby long enough (and you have) you'll discover that rate structures are all subjective. How much should I be compensated for the amount of time I am spending with a client.

hey want the overnight, can afford it, and just do it.

Never again. The guy thought I was in love, because if have him a discounted rate, AND complained that I wasn't a freak all night long in the sack. We had a morning adventure and a night adventure.  

No need to do that in the case you describe.

And that is simply not having to get up and leave (or she leaves you) after the deed is done.   Just knowing that the two of you, after a wild and tiring romp, can then lie there and fall asleep while embracing each other, which is impossible in even an extended 3 or 4 hour date is unique to an overnight.  And in addition to that, you can dream about what will happen when morning comes.  

I like the reply I received from SkinnyMinnie a few weeks ago when I asked precisely what is the "fantasy" everybody refers to?  Her answer is that we get to see each other at our best.    The overnight introduces the bedhead, the farts, going to the bathroom, no makeup for the lady, etc.   An overnight could ruin the fantasy for some and I can see why a lady would prefer not to do it.  

and lots of people do not.

I am somewhere in the middle. I LIKE to sleep next to a hottie, AND I like nothing more than starting off my day with sex, but would I pay standard rates for the privilege? Not likely.

I do overnights all the time, and on average I pay about 3-4 times the ladies hourly rate for the pleasure of her company for the entire evening. Now if I were asked to pay lets say 8 times her hourly rate, I would most likely pass, but that is not the case, so I enjoy them frequently. Each to their own.

but eliminates the need for her to have to get up and leave, only to have to come back a few hours later.

I really can't imagine paying any more for an overnight date than I would for two multi hour dates. After all, I am rarely a "fuck all night" kind of guy, I need my sleep as well, so why not just sleep together? Not with the meter running at several hundred dollars an hour of course. lol

One other reason I like overnights is that I drink, sometimes a date and I will drink "a lot" and while I don't have any problems performing while drunk, I often have problems finishing, especially if it's a date where we have sex, and then go out to eat/drink/etc and then come back, have sex again before falling asleep. MANY times finishing after excessive drinking is all but impossible, so it's great to be able to wake up and be able to finish what I started the night before. I know that non drunks won't have any idea what I am talking about, so fuck them, I wasn't talking to them anyhow. lol

Using your math -  
An overnight is typically 12-14 hours long.  SO, you are ignoring the fact that you are being discounted for 3-5 free included hours hours and don't see this as a reasonable offer?  

...if I didn't discount at all it'd be 3600. It's not common but i've seen a few who charged less and up the same amount as I not give any discount for an o/n. I've thought a few times if 2k for up to 12hrs was too low but given other things that occur during overnights (dinner and other social non-BCD goings-on he's going to cover) i'm pretty happy with that. I've never had an overnight actual o/n last less than 10hrs so my up to 12hr o/n rate covers things pretty well. Imo how some structure their rates gives a good idea of if they truly prefer longer dates or not...more often than not if they do the longer the date booked will be generously discounted compared to their hourly.

Often with the same woman.

There was a Panamanian chica I used to see every once in a while. I've probably seen her 20-30 times over a period of years, mainly overnight dates. Most of the time we drank, but moderately. There were however four different nights where both of us got shit faced drunk together. Two of those nights there was ZERO sex at all because she got so drunk that she spent the entire BCD time throwing up, NOT SEXY. lol but the other two times were some of the most passionate dates I have ever had that were "paid for"

Just like one night stands, some overnight dates are great. Others, not so much. I have enough fun on the good ones to be willing to risk a few bad ones along the way. I will confess, if I had to scrimp and save to "hobby" and the money I spent was really that important to me, I would most likely have a different attitude about them.

We have met prior and we are compatible. I had a horrible overnight experience as a result of food poisoning, and it was not pretty.  The poor guy had to spend the night running to the bathroom and it was a very small room. Let's just say that farting and diarrhea does not make for good foreplay.  Killed the mood for me.  I decided then that it was time to reevaluate the pay structure and keep that for special friends.    

My overnight is about 12 hours for the price of 5 hours.

why would it be "very inaccurate to state to negotiate."

I call complete and utter bullshit on your post.

an overnight appointment requires no more effort than a one night stand, and I know LOTS of women who can do one of those 7 nights a week.


Just because you are some kind of princess with all of your "special needs" please don't claim to speak for all hookers

I've done overnights at the Del Rey, only to find the same chica that I spent the night before with, already back to work just a couple of hours later. Not that I gave a shit as the only reason I saw them "at work" was that I was looking for another chica just a few hours later as well.

Everyone's threshold is different, and so is their sex drive. I spent virtually every night with a provider GF who worked everyday and saw 3-6 guys every single day, who still had enough gas in her tank to keep me quite satisfied, both day and night, and I have met women who were worn out by fucking twice a week. It sounds like you are a lot closer to the latter than the former.

A few have stayed, and I am fine with that, but like you, I would still stick to the original agreement re: money.

Many, many ladies negotiate and do so to their benefit.  

Most girls I know it takes a few hours or so. I am not accusing you of lying but maybe overstating a bit? Or a lot?

And many of the reason you give that make it hard on the gal is why I don't want her to stay. So for me, it makes zero sense to pay for something I don't want.

But many people enjoy the art of negotiation as well.

vary with each lady, but your reply is food for thought.   Let's face the reality, most of us guys show up with our cash in hand, our dick anxious to make an appearance and we really don't understand,  nor have we thought about, what you gals go through in order to prepare for a session.    Sometimes when I see some of the attitudes on this board it reminds me of that old joke asking what a woman is with the reply being a life support system for a vagina.  

but yes, that's a very simple way to do it. and for the record, I have done exactly that before, with zero drop off in performance.

Funny, I did that a couple of times and the woman fucked me so silly that I gave her original rate "after the fact" even though I had gotten her to agree to less.

Truth be told the money I spend on hookers really is unimportant to me, but I don't like being treated like a chump who doesn't know any better.

The last thing I would want to do is hire a hooker at one rate and then find out that she was fucking everyone else for less. I can only imagine how the Corrine clients felt when they found out they could have fucked JLS for $200 less.

You are certainly entitled to waste your money in any way you fit. I sure do. Knicks tickets is one. LOL  

like Doctors, Lawyers, Indian Chiefs, and even accountants and Oilmen.

Now negotiating with a doctor as an individual might be a bit tricky, but doctors negotiate all the time, just like all businessmen, it's just in their case they are negotiating with hospitals, insurance companies and the government, but rest assured, they are most definitely negotiating.

As for lawyers, they too are in the very business of negotiation, but just like hookers they "claim" they don't and most people are so willing to take them at face value that they don't even try.

Lets skip past Indian Chiefs and move on to Accountants and Oilmen. Oh fuck it, anyone who hasn't gotten the point by now, never will. Life is one big negotiation, claiming that you never negotiate might fool the stupid people, but the rest of us know better.

Well said. Exactly the reason I don't pay for them. I don't need a gal on a construction site. LOL

Spell out on their sites that they need XX hours of sleep...to eat...time to take a dump and so on.

How does one know that the experience may not have been a bit better if there had been no haggling about price?

Then you will have an experience to use as the baseline.

Yeah, too easy, no drama, no telling me to go eat shit

I did it one time, she lowered her price, I still had a good time, but I guess there is something about me, I felt like a shit.    As somebody else said, I guess some people don't like negotiating but the thing is that I don't mind it in other settings.   Oh well...

Of course not. They know better. They would get gigged in the review for one, and two, they want to see that client again, in most circumstances.

I tend to negotiate everything in life...just something I've always felt comfortable doing.

And I suppose it's appropriate for her to speak for the MANY ladies who state clearly that it is not ok to negotiate.

When you are ready to acknowledge that everything is negotiable is when I would consider you a real business person.

You are only paying for her time and nothing more?

Yes, Sola, many here deny in public what they do everyday in private.  

Do you drive over to their store, tell them that they don't know how to run a business, and then insist that they're really just giving you two items at half price, not one free? Come on...

You can look at it as you will, I do consider those hours "free".  

are the very same ones who actually do negotiate in private. LOL

But I m sure you hold firm at 2g's, right Sola?

And our interpretation is that "no negotiating" on websites is meaningless because you gals don't even follow your own rules!

"You are paying for our time, not sex” as it is said on 99.99% of provider web sites along with some white knights skewering you to win brownie points.

and I do a lot of one hour appointments. What I rarely do are 2-4 hour appointments. Go figure. lol

BOGO's are simply marketing tools...often not creating a real value to an astute customer.

I don't care what you charge by the hour when seeking a multi-hour date.  I only determine what I'm willing to pay for the service.

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You can look at it as you will, I do consider those hours "free".    
   
 Using my hourly rate, overnights would be $4800-$5600.  I offer them for $2k.  Anyone who doesn't think that's one hell of a deal?  Go see someone else.  
   
 Simple!  
 

Rent payments are due...the car needs fixing...shoes to buy  LOL

But most gals post that this is ONLY for their time.

Don’t BE a pussy. Save up to 60% on one now!

those from providers.  I feel like I learned a fair amount here

I save about 25% from what the softer johns are willing to spend.  

The reason we charge so much is simply (if she is high end like me) because she is gracing you with spending 12hrs (over night) with her presence. You literally have 12hrs with this beautiful upscale lady.  Plus upscale ladies see men who are typically rich to where 3 grand is pocket change to them.

Always nice to have a john thank the board for clueing him in.

But I didn't get that way for paying 25-30% more than I should or could.  

For "smart" business women...some of these gals have NO clue how business works

I see that term tossed around by many gals here.

For $19.95 per month (less than 1 penny per day!), I’ll share my secrets for negotiation free pussy.  

NOBODY wants your pussy.  

Saying we don't know how to run a business and shouldn't charge so much, then you turn around and do the same thing over using marketing to our advantage? Make up your mind, don't just try to argue.  

See that is really the point, EVERYONE negotiates at some point. It's just a matter of at what point, and who has the leverage at the moment.

Would you negotiate over a hundred bucks? of course not, but would you negotiate over a million? Quite a different matter isn't it.

Now let's say times were REALLY tough for you, I bet your threshold over WHEN you would negotiate would be a lot lower than when times are good.

None of this is bad, or wrong. It's simply a fact of life. I have to negotiate all the time in my business, and I never allow an insulting offer to actually insult me personally. Although sometimes I will tell them quite politely to FUCK OFF, the same as you. but times change and just like some oil properties that were for sale but only at "full price" and no lesser offers accepted or even considered are now going for millions less than they were just a few months ago. It's not personal, it's just business.

not even at a discount? I guess I'll have to learn how to live again. Somehow.

Car dealerships PREFER it when their customers pay full sticker price without a peep out of them as well. And I am sure that car salesmen will also agree that their "best" customers deal that way. Does that really mean that the guy who only pays $500 over invoice is a "cheap client" not worthy of the same service?

The seller NEVER wants to negotiate, a good buyer always knows their is usually some wiggle room. Just because it's your pussy you are selling/renting or excuse me "your time" doesn't change a thing.

I'd have to get you liquored up first as I really cant believe you are this sour 24/7, but I could be wrong.

If they asked I would tank the session, or reply with a lecture on negotiating..

I try to never say never.

A man sitting at a bar sees two lovely women across the room. He says to the bartender: I want to buy those two a drink.

My knowledge of business is that the CUSTOMER determines what is, or what is not "value" and "exceptional value" to boot.

There is hope for you yet sailor! :

and you can bet your ass that when times are tough, I will negotiate my time.

Honestly? I think hookers that think their shit doesn't stink are disrespectful to their customers and immediately go on my MUST MISS list. I work hard for my money, and although I make more than any hooker I have ever met, or ever will meet. I still respect the value of a dollar and if I were as rigid in my dealings as some of you hookers "claim" to be, I would have gone under years ago.

I agree with your point in principle.  It is very similar to when a provider charges $500 per hour or $800 for two, and then you ask for her couples ratee and its $1,000 per hour, period.  That tells me that she really sin't into seeing couples if she is charging more than double her normal rate.  The same could apply here.  In one hour, chemistry isn't that big of a deal, she's in and out - pun intended.  In an overnight, there is much more of a risk that she has committed to being with some for 9, 10, or 14 hours, that she really dispises.

Yes, I will negotiate 3+ day vacation - because it's not an option clearly listed on my website, and that conversation would have to happen in some form.  For anything less than what is listed on my website - I would cut you loose as a client for asking for a discount.

If the "value" is not there for a client, he should just move along - as I clearly state on my website.  No harm, no foul.  However pushing clearly stated boundaries, such as the request to not discuss rates?  I would consider you rude and disrespectful at best, dangerous at worst

I could care less what anyone posts as a rate...I have said that repeatedly.  What I have said is that I don't see how negotiating is not something that many savvy (smart) business people do.  How you see that as being argumentative....well, that is puzzling.

With about a 50% success rate.  And only did it when the ladies were out of my hobby budget, and I was very straight-forward and honest about this.  My still very generous offer was essentially a counter offer.  Perhaps this is negotiation, but it's not haggling.  Haggling is something you do in a street market in Budapest.  Not for high-priced luxury items.  Or think of making a house deal - you negotiate that, it's not haggling.  Also, wouldn't do this with every lady out of my budget who caught my fancy, but just a VERY select few who it was worth the risk of hearing a "no" from - nothing ventured, nothing lost.  And it has worked out a couple times, so pretty hard to argue against that.  Also, this helped me to check my biggest bucket list ladies off, so I really don't have any overwhelming "must see" ladies left right now.  And now that I've been with the hottest ladies I've ever seen, other 10s will have a pull, but not as strong as before I'd seen my first Playboy ++ quality ladies, not enough to make me want to negotiate or to go over my budget.  Also, I should note, if a lady clearly stated that she didn't negotiate, I've always respected this and just moved on if she was over my budget.

I don't believe that a penny a day equals $ 19.95 for 30 days  LOL

"Google it". How do you think people find us?? Who do you think they're talking to when they inquire? Hahahaha, astute, average, same thing, right?

I'll bet you dollars to donuts she doesn't even know what a liquid asset is.

And please tell the gals whose pocket I line on a regular basis at less than their "requested" rate how "dangerous" I am. Lol.

Well I am NOT rich but I want to be. So that means I ain't overpaying for anything -pussy included.

Prices are posted publicly as a starting point....and for reference on how comparable products/services are priced.

Can you imagine being so "disrespected" by a client or potential client? I wish they dissed me every fkin day like that. Lol

She is obviously a very young and inexperienced gal whom I am sure her guys suck up to her to some degree. She's not wise on business matters and thus comes the anger.

"he's fat, old and ugly"

But as you comment...lack of experience are keeping her from understanding the intricacies of business.

She is still here. She's comfortable with what she's doing and how she's doing it.  

So she has moved past "disrespectful" and onto "dangerous." LOL

You seem to place value on a buck. Many of these hookers are having trouble with that concept.  

Do you really think what a hooker says on this board is what they do behind the scenes? Or what they put on their websites is written in stone?

And I have a legitimate financial advisor, thank you very much. Not some Podunk who plays one for desperate hookers.  

As you and many others know, I am the very definition of an "upscale gentleman." I am always well behaved and uber classy.

You are one of the assholes I was referring to who assumes that all hos are desperate and have no other viable means of survival.  I have assets that are in various stages of liquidity - savings, money market, IRA, real estate...

I think that after twelve years in this business, I do have a sense of how the world works.  Or at least, how the world works for me.  And you know what?  I love my work because I have found the ways that DO make it work for me.

I can easily see how being with a guy you don't know that well for that long could be draining in many ways, having to feel like you are on.  Honestly, I feel the same way about spending so much time with providers, which is part of the reason (money of course another) that I stick with 2 hour dates, lol.

And why am I paying you? Does she know something I don't? Should I place a stop pay on that check?

After years of offering references, directly referring clients out to friends, arranging peer support events and skill-share educational opportunities for ladies, fundraising to take care of health needs for ladies and their children in need (not to mention coordinating funds for them to attend various educational functions), my recent forays into direct street outreach, etc etc...

Hey, if a lady does not make the CLEAR request to not negotiate?  Knock yourself out!

You believe ALL hookers are lying...about everything. Fine and good. You've made that clear.  

I would be flattered if someone offered my and my biz big bucks but you seem offended for some bizarre reason.

Congratulations....capitulation was expected.

The ladies make clear that they won't fk me for money on their disclaimer.

Maybe I should be flattered!

You wouldn't lie.

Why did you dodge my point? You know I am right and just can't say a dick poster is right so of course you want to say "that's not remotely the point." Lol

I suppose it all makes sense now..

Of course IRA and real estate is not liquid, I specifically referred to "various states of liquidity", diversification.  Some chips I can cash in Now, some would take a couple of months, some are long range investments that would cost me too much to cash out unless it were an emergency.  Regardless of where my assets lie on that scale, I would not take the quick fix of allowing a client to low ball me because I need rent.  

There is a gal on one of the regional boards who is having trouble getting $250 per her post. You don't think 2k is a lot of money to her? Or a woman with a sick child? Or a gal that was laid off from her civie job?

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I'm looking forward to a certain overnight for $2500 vs two 120m sessions at $1200 each.

Did I say $2k wasn't a lot of money? No. $2k is real money.  However if you think it's enough money to reevaluate a business plan (quote, "a ton of money") your economy scale puts overnights out of reach, and thus your acrimony is better understood.

Charlotte is actually one of the more intelligent gals I've had the opportunity to meet -- in the hobby or not.  

I mean..that shit has got be heavy to carry around. Do you worry about weight limitations on elevators?

And all it took was a dick poster. Welcome to "human" honey.

Talk about talking shit out of your ass.

I see.  You don't want to do or financially support outreach to those in need, but if they're desperate enough to negotiate their rates with you, you'll stick your cock in an orifice to help the poor lass out.

This post is right up there with a 5 yr old telling mommy he's going to run away from home and, boy, is she gonna be sorry when he's gone.  

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Please don't click on any of those links either  

I believed him when he told me using an abacus was actually high tech and made my tax returns even more accurate. I feel like such a putz.

the lady has her prices written, A guy trying to see if she will give special rates for him.