can be open about their extracurricular activities, especially those serving on active military duty.

It's not a morality issue, that's between him and his wife. It's a national security issue and faced with the loss of their name, career, marriage, pension, essentially their entire life, A man in his position is/was a prime target to be "turned"

if faced with blackmail, how many men would have the intestinal fortitude and be of strong enough character, to turn themselves in BEFORE compromising our national security?

degree of luck, to ascend to such a high position of responsibility in the military!  One would need to be extremely arrogant to think they could hide ANYTHING about their extracurricular activities.  It was extremely obvious to me, that the higher up I went, the more eyes were on me and the more squeaky clean I had to be, if I wanted to continue to get promoted.

Not all providers can be open about their extracurriculars, especially those with families and other work. Women hardly have a monopoly on vindictive behavior. And, while we may not have unknowing wives or military careers, some of us have plenty to lose and can be outed or wrecked in the timespan of a hummingbird's heartbeat. A former Olympian played with fire and trusted clients with RL info and look what happened.

That pussy has the edge...it confuses us and we lost focus all the fucking time..Not the first time.... it happens to kings, prince, presidents, senators, congressmen, governors, mayors, generals, athletes, actors, firemen, doctors, lawyers, etc,etc,etc..and more....

Pussy is a distraction, a distraction. Once upon a time, the U.S. Government understood this, and took the appropriate actions. I don't want to here any BS about equality of the sexes, somethings just don't work out well.  

It's the simplest solution to solve more than one problem.  

Have you ever wondered why same sex private school students perform better than coed classes.  

one sex or the other?  Apple should be males only and Google should be females only?  Can't have distractions, right?

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The first two years of the contest FatVern was the odds on favorite to win, but managed to fuck it up in the end. Just how stupid do you have to be to do that? lmao

There would be less affairs, and less sexual misconduct with in the ranks, if the entire military was made up of one gender?

He is being fired because he is at risk of blackmail because if the black mailer revealed what was happening, he would be fired.
It was like the old day for gays: once it was no longer the end of a career to be gay, gay people were not at risk of being black mailed.  
If the General could have revealed his "hobby" with no risk of being fired, he was no longer at risk of being blackmailed

Sexual distractions in the work place? My answer is, yes!

So far all I've read is ridicule.  

we felt women would be a distraction in combat because; we might alter our tactics to protect them above ourselves and the mission, at the expense of some of our more complex missions.

If Apple said "only males need apply," and Google said "only females need apply," they'd both be outta business thanks to lawsuits they would lose, and thanks to the government shutting their doors.

If being gay was still illegal, you're damn right that even a field grade officer could be compromised.  

What I'm saying is, if you want to eliminate the majority of work place issues between the sexes, having a work place of people who are all of the same sex, most of those problems would cease to exist.

I agree.  
A two star general needs to make better decisions.  
This guy was careless and stupid.  
Not good traits in people being responsible for our country's security.

complicated than that;

You are talking about other issues. none of which have a thing to do with what I said

our view of morality.  (Particularly now when the two candidates for the presidency both seem to wallow in what appears to be thievery.)  As I understand it, he was not fooling around with a subordinate, That would be as unacceptable as me fooling around with one of the docs I supervise.
When former French President Pompidou died, his wife and mistress and children both legitimate and so called illegitimate were all at the Funeral and sat together

Problem solved.

But wouldn't it be ironic for FatVern to be the subject of sexual harassment from a male coworker?  
Oh the irony. No doubt FatVern would be quite the distraction for them..

I seriously doubt that LostVegan and I could agree on whether or not the sun comes up in the east, but I am pretty sure even he and I can agree we don't give a fuck what you think or say. You are comedic relief at best, and simply back round noise the rest of the time.

Oh, indeed it can. Now I could go into excruciating detail to spell this out for you, very slowly, and try to 'splain how women in the military excel in every capacity---including front-line combat.  But, that would be annoyingly tedious for me---considering the fact that everything I might say is already readily available public record, and anyone who is not already a complete moron doesn't need this explanation.  

I'm sorry, but unless he gave out privilege information or put someone's life at risk then who the fuck cares!!! He's just like anyone else.

I'm not a fan of, made up delusional lifestyles

Instead of kicking all women out of the military, how about the military putting some genuine effort into actually prosecuting the (small minority of) men who engage in sexual misconduct.  

I served, out of a sense of duty to country and because that's what the men of my family do, but I only did 4 and out.

Obviously this individual's rank IS an issue.  Understandably, he should be setting the example for his subordinates to follow; by NOT putting our national security at risk due to potentially being subjected to blackmail.

Yes, the hobby should be legal, but until it is, these laws and regulations are necessary for national security, as much as it pains me to both agree with LasVegan and the Federal Government.

Your intensely stupid posts over the past couple of weeks have out-dumbed even FG.  It seems to me that with this stupefyingly dumb post you have all but clinched the SPOTY.
But keep up the good work.  You make a great piñata.

The standards need to change. This guys' sex life is nobodies' biz. Your logic is the same logic that kept LGBTQ people from being able to land many jobs in recent past (and in many cases still continues). We can't hire you because you're vulnerable to being blackmailed. And, the reason you're vulnerable to being blackmailed is because......

I fully agree the standards need to be changed, but when people can end up dead because some general has a secret to protect, yes he does need to be held to a different standard.

or anything remotely sexist?  

This is some of the stupidest shit I have read in a long time. Given I read speaches from both major party canidates, that is saying something.

Having no GI Jane's? Do you live in a cave?

not comic relief for me.

is only one component of why his career is over.  People who have been in positions of responsibility will tell you it can be difficult to motivate subordinates under the most positive of conditions.

Joe,

The fact that it's even possible for someone in the military to be potentially blackmailed for something as ubiquitous, and benign (at least to the world at large) as cheating on their spouse is absurd.  

No, he's not.  
He's responsible for whatever part of the world he's assigned.  
That includes US secrets, all personnel, American citizens passing thru or working for our government in that area.  
It's a HUGE job and responsibility.  
He knew that when he took the job.

Russ,

As much as I wish our sense of morality, etc was different, a man in his position, one he chose freely and developed vigilantly, knew what he signed on for.   To go clubbing and place yourself at the mercy of the descretion of others leaves you quite vulnerable.  The swinger thing has its drama...make no mistake.  We have no idea what fantasy he wove into the mind's of his partners that drove someone into basically destroying his life.  Sounds like hell hath no fury stuff or straight out blackmail attempt gone wrong.  Needless to say, being online searching for partners takes time and distraction from real life- healthy in many ways, but a man of his position needed to be present.   He had every Opportunity to retire and be civilian...he did not.  There are consequences as it stands now.  I personally know other men who have suffered consequences similar and worse to his. The hobby offers more anonymity for these men---not a public, social affair that can easily become a full on affair.   I do not call at night before you fall asleep to hear your voice one last time before my eyes let go of the day...swinging can be just as cavalier...and maybe not.

People have killed in cold blood keep their cheating hidden from their spouse. It is one of the more common thing blackmailers use to blackmail people with. Most people, even those who cheat, do not want to hurt their families, and even those that hate their families don't want to lose half or more of their stuff. This is reality. The military is responding to the fact no matter what few people want their cheating exposed, career damaging or not. Anything you wish to remain hidden makes you a target for blackmail.

What I suggested was a possible solution to solove some of the issues discussed in the link.

This is how they get rid of folks they do not want.

Your Neanderthal views here have not gained a single supporter.  Your Neanderthal views on the P&R Board have been similarly shit on by an entirely different group of posters.
Get the message?  

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This thread, with fatvern's idiotic comments has been the closest thing to a proper train wreck in a while. I think the secret was fatvern. Without his idiocy it would be another snoozer. We need another idiot or too. Piñatas are important. We need more. I hear there are plenty on the politics and religion board, any chance we can get them to post on this one?

This particular General is only in command for a division...he's not that big.. His clearance is not enough to go higher in the ranks of chain of command... Any slight indication of a breach..All operations instantly altered and aborted... Yes maybe their are sensitive matters that will cost lives and millions or billions dollars but the military are always prepared for all of these...Always have a abc, xyz plans...It's sad and painful but it's always a thing we have to live with, ideals doesn't exist....

What ever the reason, they want this guy out.

There is a certain village called the P&R board that wants it's idiot back.

or, New York Times and Wall Street Journal, the issue is life would suck without Apple, Google, New York Times, and the Wall Street Journal would go outta business due to your idiot caveman idea.

I much prefer Android devices. Now no Google that would blow. My hobby, board and personal emails are through them.

He's a two star up for three with a background in Special Forces  
You'd be surprised at what is at his beck and call.  
Don't discount it.

The best explanation of why she wasn't prosecuted came from a constitutional lawyer (not a constitutional issue per say, but impact on the system.

When I read this article the other day I was amazed that he got away his double like. HE would have been too easy to turn!  It was a good thing he was stopped.