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I've never liked the "Write reviews for access" model...
CurlyW-NatsFan 50 reads
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1 / 36

and unfair to you that someone wrote a fake review.  

 
That being said, its a good thing that it's very difficult to get TER to take down reviews, unless you can prove that the meeting actually never happened. Short of that, it's your word against theirs.  

 
There are far more providers crying foul over bad review calling them fake, than those who are truly victim of fake ones. If TER were to oblige at every request, then there won't be much of a website left..

Steve_Trevor 58 reads
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2 / 36

to challenge a fake review other than the provider proving the meeting never happened. Some fake reviews are about an actual meeting, but are inaccurate about details in a significant way, eg about services rendered or photos being old.

 
I’ve seen reviews marked with a comment something like “review is challenged by the provider”.  Even if TER won’t remove the review, at least readers know it may not be accurate.

 
Also, if there’s a review when a meeting never happened and the provider challenges it, I don’t agree it should be on the provider to prove it never happened.  Think about it… proving something did NOT happen can be impossible. I think the reviewer should have to prove to TER that the meeting DID happen. And if they don’t do it in a reasonable time after TER asks for the evidence, say 72 hours, the review will be removed.

CurlyW-NatsFan 46 reads
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3 / 36

Some good points !!  

 
I like the Review Challenged option. I think it is great. Must be fairly new.  But also, a slippery slope. Once you open that can, providers are going go crazy on challenging anything they don't like..  

 
It can be very hard to prove a negative, but not always impossible. One great way is have an alibi. Not always easy, but it's possible. If the review says he saw her on New Year's Even in New York, and at the time she can prove at the time she was in LA  well.. more likely than not the review is fake.  

 
It's far easier for the guy to prove that the appointment did happen, but don't forget people do delete texts and emails and such. Not good to keep that kind of evidence around should it get in wrong hands.  How many times we have situations where guy leaves his PC open, wife gets on it and reads all the incriminating information.  So if you are asking someone to prove shit from 2 months ago, they many not even have that info anymore.  

 
If you are that concerned about reviews, best to have a No Review Policy.  If you want the good that comes from having a body of reviews, you are going to have to accept some bad w/ it.  That's how the world rolls.

OldRanger 62 Reviews 52 reads
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4 / 36

The idea that maybe TER should start to make the reviewer prove that a meeting did not happen.  As for provider contests review -A provider I know well contested details of a review and also the date of when it was supposed to happen. When TER decided to let the review stand they pulled the provider contests review -which she still did and does. Is now another delisted quality provider.

DCGuido 65 reads
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5 / 36

Few years go I reviewed someone who questioned if it was fake to the mods.  The mods ask which hotel I met said provider, answered correctly and got an apology from her later.  Don't know if management or mods still do this, but this could help squash the fake reviews.  FWIW i think at least 1/3rd of the reviews are fake.

Kitty76 See my TER Reviews 73 reads
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6 / 36

First of all, I do not believe that all providers have fake reviews. I can't understand why people can't just give an honest review.  

John_Laroche 59 reads
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7 / 36

While I sympathize with any provider who gets a revenge type review,  proving something DID happen in the hobby world can be just as challenging.  

Do we really expect TER admin to request email and/or text message excerpts? Do we expect the reviewer, in this case, months after the fact to retain Proof?

I've changed details enough myself.  Hotel vs. her home,  time of day, what she was wearing,  etc..., but the meeting occurred and I didn't exaggerate services beyond her profile.

There are a lot of inarticulate reviewers and even more readers who misinterpret or nitpick content.

looking4918 14 Reviews 50 reads
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8 / 36

I don't do reviews as I use p-411 OKs. I pay cold hard cash for access to TER. The only value TER has is the
 quality ( Slipping ) of its reviews. To keep and grow the TER business model fake reviews must be reduced and  
hopefully eliminated.  If I just wanted to throw my money away I have several web site that are totally worthless due to the huge amount of fake reviews.  

To the poster, the last thing TER should do is run off a quality provider due to fake review. Good providers are worth there weight in gold in todays world.  

holystonethedeck 105 Reviews 234 reads
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9 / 36

I recently read a review of one of my favorites and I was pretty shocked to read that she fucked the reviewer raw. I've seen her a number of times and even when she appeared to get really horny and passionate BB was never on the table.

I emailed her telling her about it and now I look and the review is gone. I'm assuming she complained about it being fake. What she had to actually do to get it trashed I don't know, but whatever it was worked.

Steve_Trevor 60 reads
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10 / 36

like hotel vs. her home, time of day, attire, etc.?  I ask because I’m curious as to why someone would do that, and also why they would (apparently) think there’s nothing wrong about doing it.

 
Yes, if a provider challenges a review as never having happened, I would like to see the onus put on the reviewer to prove the session happened.  And TER would need to state that policy clearly and conspicuously on the Write a Review page, as a heads-up to retain some evidence that a reviewed session occurred.

herbtcat 6 Reviews 62 reads
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11 / 36

... it feeds this problem as mongers who don't want to pay are encouraged to submit multiple reviews, even if they did not book any sessions.  

 
Add to that the presence of misogynistic assholes on TER who feel compelled to try to "punish" a provider who did not violate her own rules (like no BBFS) and you see even more potential for fake, and often damaging, reviews.  So, it is important to understand not only the provider's service offerings and rules, but the review writer's history, POV/personal biases and motivation for each review they write.  That doubles the work before deciding who to book and risks having a different experience with a provider than what was described in these reviews.

 
Now an experienced TER member usually develops a pretty good BS detector for inaccurate or faked reviews. But that is no guarantee that what is believed will equal what happens in an upcoming session.  

 
I don't think it's unreasonable to enable a provider to flag a review as "disputed."  That signals the reader that they should take a careful look at the reviewer and then give that review proper perspective and weighting when selecting a provider.  

 
But I fear doing more than that, as we have all seen other sites where the provider has absolute edit rights to change or remove reviews that are not positively maxed out on all ratings. These "only positive" review sites are less than worthless, as they far too often prevent reporting actual ROB's, upsells, or outright scammers.  

 
My conclusion:  Which of the assholes who submit fake reviews will be willing to pay for the ability to do so?  Requiring a reviewer to pay to access TER will greatly increase the credibility of the reviewer and his/her review submissions.  If there is no cost and no repercussions from lying, especially for those with a malicious bias, the practice will continue and providers who are unjustly maligned will continue to fight for the truth from an unfair position of weakness.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

looking4918 14 Reviews 59 reads
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12 / 36

When you check the reviewer and he has one or two reviews that are only 9s and 10s. Even worse are the ones
 with 15 or 20 reviews and they are all 9s and 10s ????  Everyone hits a bad apple once and a while but its like the college kid with prefect 100s, something does not add up ???  

phlatsy 6 Reviews 53 reads
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13 / 36

I find reading reviews of providers I've visited allows me to judge the author's ability to review.  I've found some reviewers that I always agree with and thus I trust their opinion of providers I've never contacted.  And when I find a blatantly fake review I ignore all their reviews after that.  

 

Lately, I've been seeing large gaps in date of review histories that don't make sense.  There are a few providers in my area that haven't been reviewed since 2015 or earlier and suddenly they get two to six reviews in a month.  These are usually glowing reviews by members I never heard of before.  It makes me wonder what is going on here.

John_Laroche 54 reads
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14 / 36

I met her at her home (because we had a M&G and she was comfortable inviting me there). She advertises hotel incalls, all her reviews mention hotel incalls. So I didn't want to raise this situation as a possibility.

I might change the time of day for a provide who when I don't necessarily want her to know it's my review. Just a little smoke screen that doesn't affect the quality of my evaluation. Likewise, I may have seen a provider yesterday, but posted a review indicating the appointment was last month.  

I might mention something like "she looked hot in a ...." because most of her reviews mention something to that effect, but when she asked me if I had an outfit request I said "whatever you're comfortable in." That ended up being sweatpants and a baggy top. Not going to mention it in a review since I did say dress comfortably.

 
I strive for general accuracy, not precision. Some may disagree. Some may cry FAKE.  Yes, I could have left out all those details.

inicky46 61 Reviews 53 reads
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15 / 36

One would be if it's a negative review and you don't want her to know it's you and get blacklisted. Another way to avoid this is to post the review at the end of the view window period.
Another would be if she gave you services that are not on her regular menu and you don't want others to expect them. As in YMMV. So you're protecting her.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 52 reads
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16 / 36

I delay submitting the review for a period of time.   With agency girls, I will wait two to three weeks.  With indies, I will usually wait two months.  A lot of guys will put up a review the same day they see a provider, and if she is low volume, she will know what your TER handle is from that.   If you only had one session, its likely she has seen many guys since seeing you, and unless you say in the review that you left teeth marks on her ass, she is not likely to know for sure it's you writing that particular review.   I agree that time is better buffer than being loose with the facts.  Sometimes I will paraphrase something a lady said to me even though I'm quoting her so that it makes sense in English.   Lol

sexystephie See my TER Reviews 54 reads
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17 / 36

I, like many other gals have contested good reviews, because they were fake. I believe free membership should be given or a discount given based on board posts rather than reviews. Then us gals could get free membership too.  
But really, I don't think free membership for reviews works. Most men who enjoy the perks of this site would pay and many who, not all, men who only have memberships for free are guys that use the site more than see the ladies. And most, if not all, the fake reviews come from guys who need them to keep membership.
Someone should make a spreadsheet and see how many of the questioned fake reviews came from sum1 w free membership.  
So like someone said, if you are going to write a fake review make sure you say stuff that is accurate. Because when you say she does stuff she doesn't you are setting her up to problems, the least; aggravation, the worst; being forced to do something she doesn't want to.

chloemercier See my TER Reviews 57 reads
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18 / 36

Someone gave me a fake review a month or so ago. It was so odd!! They gave me a 9 on looks but a 5 or something for performance. They stated I just laid there and moaned for no reason. And said I was "pretty to look at but don't do anything".

Anyone that's seen me knows I never just lay there, it's not even possible. I get so into it, I tend to tire out most gents after one round cause I'm really working my body and theirs ;) I've been sexually active since I was 14 and not once since then have I just laid there for sex it's the most ridiculous thing :D

I figured this guy was upset because he's someone I decided not to see or he just makes fake reviews for fun. But now I'm reading that guys make fake reviews for memberships so maybe that was it.

What's even odder is he made a brand new TER handle to do the review so he didn't show up in my emails as someone who I screened before. And ofcourse when I contested the review, the mods said they'd hear his side of the story and figure out what's going on. A day after that, the review was gone. So he must have admitted that it was fake, otherwise there's no way they would actually take down a review. That was a fun rollercoaster ride 🙄

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 50 reads
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19 / 36

For the TER perspective more reviews are good, since that's what this site makes its money on.   Therefore they reward review writers.  This motivates fake reviews to earn the rewards.  Then it is difficult to prove a review is fake.  So they accumulate.

Lip-lock2 55 Reviews 58 reads
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20 / 36

I reviewed a girl, and i said she was too skinny for me and very very shy.  
But i gave her a 7/7 and said it still an ok time.
But she disputed it because her other reviews were 8 and 9.
So it goes both ways.

pronational 49 reads
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21 / 36


 There are far more providers crying foul over bad review calling them fake, than those who are truly victim of fake ones.
Oh yea? How do you know?

36363jensen 4 Reviews 41 reads
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22 / 36

Just what are you suggesting TER doesn't realize?

 
I suppose it's great that you're calling this out but from a very cynical perspective one might actually see it as a hidden attempt to post an Ad. Not making an accusation here but a comparison. How would I or other customers know if you're telling the truth about the review? How does TER know any given review is from a real session that occurred or one someone just made up?

John_Laroche 50 reads
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23 / 36

Maybe you should take the initiative and contact your last 20 or so clients and ask each to correct these agregeous errors,   if the review was theirs; but first double check that you've been shaving closely.  

MILFs4ever 64 reads
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24 / 36

For me the worst thing, from the male point of view, is a fake review that mentions services that the provider does not provide, like Victoria Jolie mentioned about CIM.  If I see a review that mentions it but it doesn't align with the provider's profile I'll try to contact the reviewer but that hardly ever works out.  I learned this lesson the hard way in Vegas a while back, resulting in me being very disappointed for an expensive session, and going forward if I see inconsistency between the two I'll take a pass.

btvegas 2 Reviews 49 reads
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25 / 36

Hi Victoria
Are these people posting these reviews to get or maintain VIP status
They select a provider with a lot of reviews and post a new / good review thinking you'll let it go

Sweet.rain See my TER Reviews 54 reads
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26 / 36

I'm not always a fs provider  

And I had some claim things I didn't have , like how they fucked me on a desk. There's not desk where I work I don't even have one at home.  

I get that they want to give a higher star. Or maybe it's what u said about membership but it results in us getting  bad reviews from someone expecting more

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 48 reads
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27 / 36
OldRanger 62 Reviews 43 reads
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28 / 36

I have never met or probably never will meet Victoria but can say that I personally know of more then one provider who has delisted not to hide from bad reviews but because TER was NOT responsive in checking out and removing false good reviews . Know many others who have given up on trying to get fakes removed .IMHO the percent of good fakes out number bad fakes by -a very large percentage  
Not only does fake reviewer get days - but the more prominent the provider the more false credibility the reviewer gains.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 40 reads
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29 / 36

I don't disagree but what are you suggesting? Victoria doesn't mention anything about having submitted a complaint. We've had three or four recent threads on this topic and what providers can do about fake reviews.

 
That still leaves TER with the problem of what makes for sufficient proof of any claim. I've said it before but the problem is about standards of evidence and rules of evidence. It's not a simple problem. I suspect there are also some problems related to "outting" people. Not like a number or people here only review under either an alias or go to great ends to be sure providers/agencies don't know their TER handle.

 
At the end of the day we're going to get the results we collectively create. I can certainly empathize with providers getting revenge/hate/competition draining bad reviews that are fake as well as I can with guys/gals mislead by the sales fake reviews and inflated fake reviews for free VIP. But we have to be realistic and accept they are a fact of life here. Everyone should be aware of it and make their decisions accordingly. Call stuff out but realize that just because one person thinks, or even knows, any given review is a fake that might not be good enough to get it pulled. A big rant about the imperfections of the TER world doesn't help. Now come up with some good suggestions -- even if ultimately they are not implemented -- and kudos to that person.

lbpuller 11 Reviews 46 reads
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30 / 36

I wonder why TER doesn't allow providers to provide feedback on reviews? Other review sites do that. Seems like an appropriate feature to me. Allows providers to point out factual inaccuracies in a review (ie services performed). I think would help other providers do some additional screening on potential clients. Seems like I hear all the time how providers hate the current of misogyny in "review culture", but feel like it is a necessary evil. Perhaps if they had the opportunity to provide their perspective on the session or review, that wouldn't be such a point of contention.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 52 reads
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31 / 36

So basically it would give even less incentive for mongers to write truthful non-glowing reviews.

networking 10 Reviews 60 reads
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32 / 36

Hello,

I'm a pretty decent lover, at least I get an "A" for effort!  When I hook up with a companion, I am a man-on-a-mission, Whether it be DATY, DATO, DFK and all the rest. I have been referred to as "full service", "the handyman" or the "laborer."

Dang, I get her done! (...and get my fair share of complements and follow-up emails!)

What kills me is: I will read reviews of women I have seen, and these are off the wall, consisting of porn-movie style long amazing sex with intense multiple orgasms and crazed woman doing every single acronym in the dictionary. For example. one provider's orifice was so tight she'd be challenged to handle a toothpick. In the next review, she's a psycho anal queen taking it left and right.

Either I'm very uninspiring (possible, but doubtful) or these ghostwriters are racking up reviews to prolong their membership.

Opinions?

Networking.

John_Laroche 45 reads
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33 / 36

I can't tell you how many times I've walked in the door and was greeted by a 6 when her many reviews suggested that she was a 9. Some guys self-aggrandize. Some guys want to write a review, but not admit the action didn't match the price tag.

 
This industry is about living a fantasy. how each monger codifies that fantasy in a review is subjective, and for better or worse, the system doesn't lend itself to readers calling "Bullshit."

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 49 reads
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34 / 36

It's not hard to simplu tell the truth or just state facts if someone has issues telling the truth.

 
What's the point of a review site or reviews if each review can be choose your own adventure with as much as 99% bs?

sexystephie See my TER Reviews 61 reads
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35 / 36

I think when a provider disputes a good review you can assume shes telling the truth. Why else would we complain about a good review? Because its probably saying we do stuff we dont. So for all the losers writing fake reviews make sure what you write is true to what she does. Its not true cuz you are lying but at least you are not creating trouble for her. Fake reviewing shows you to be a liar and a cheapskate, but lying about activities she doesnt do makes you evil.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 52 reads
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36 / 36

Why else would you complain about a good review?  

So then if its a fake review that doesn't say the stuff you don't do, then you will not complain?

 
I'd assume you would want real reviews and that would be the #1 reason. You know, being honest and all that.

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