Here’s a news flash to newbies… lots of ladies fuck bareback even though they tell you don’t.
And if they tell you “I only did it for you”… don’t believe it.
I will not “out” anyone .. but in my experience, about 50% of the ladies I saw went “au naturel” with a bit iof persuasion or financial inducement.
I really want to bust a nut in the girls bare in pussy or ass. yes a lot of them do with money added. I might need to go on PREP but then you have potential pregnancy issues. maybe only cum in their asshole.
Friend,
Drawing on vast experience in the field, I impart the following.
Concerning PrEP: If you are active with the ladies, should be taking anyway.
Pros: Highly effective with minimal, if any, side effects. Peace of mind.
Cons: May be expensive. In this case ask about programs that cover the cost. I've heard that, under Obama care, insurers are required to cover it. Some formulations of PrEP, can be taken "as needed" which lowers monthly cost significantly.
Concerning Pregnancy Risk: Get a vasectomy. If you do, have a sperm sample checked afterwards, as vasectomies can, and do, occasionally reverse themselves.
Notes from the field: 1) A few providers told me they do not disclose taking PrEP because customers will ask ask for "rawdog", i.e., bareback. 2) Uninformed providers may fear you take PrEp because you are HIV-positive. The "P" in PrEP is for prophylaxis. 3) I am a retired geezer, on fixed income, and don't pay a red cent for PrEP.
But you have no problem placing the seed of doubt re: BBFS over every women you have reviewed. I am sure they appreciate you for that.
Thank you, Goody two-shoes!
of the ladies I’ve seen didn’t go “au naturale” with me. In fact, it never came up. And I’ve seen some of them dozens of times. But then, I didn’t do even a “bit of persuasion” or suggest a financial inducement, nor did they.
are those that just do it without a cover one day and you were not even aware of it until they climb off and your load drips out of your pussy. My initial reaction is WTF??? But what's done is done. If my dick didn't turn black and fall off in a week, then I might go back for another go, other times, not. It depended on my assessment of how common this might be with a particular girl. Each case was different depending how long I had been seeing her.
Since Covid, when many providers became desperate for business and started going bare with a significant percentage of their customers, I quit the BBFS scene and started telling them up front on arrival that I brought my own condoms, or we can use theirs, that either is okay with me. This lets them know without accusations or negative inferences that I only want to do it covered.
Coincidentally, since I started going covered with everyone, I have not had a single STI. Before that, it was about one every year to year and a half, but you take the meds and put yourself on the bench for two weeks and all is well again. It's not a big deal, but I have a lower risk tolerance than most guys, except, of course, the ones that have NEVER gone bare with a provider. Lol
Question for you, CDL: for that "every year to year and a half," when you were getting your STIs, what did you get? How did you notice it? How did you treat it? (I heard if you got the herpes, you've got it for life! It's untreatable, and will stick to you for a lifetime. I am personally not worried about the AIDS, I think it's maybe a hoax.)
You think AIDS is a hoax?!
How about MLS?
Alzheimers?
Cancer?
Wow. Impenetrable.
chicken little? Lol
Anyone who decides to play in the P4P arena is taking some risk. The amount of risk individuals can tolerate varies from person to person. Some people have a higher risk tolerance than others. If you are soiling yourself at the thought of going bare with any provider, then you obviously should not do it.
chlamydia or gonorrhea, both treatable with 10 days of meds. Symptom is most often drippy-dick, as we referred to it in the military. I have taken a prophylactic drug which is effective against catching Herpes, but you are right, it IS incurable if you get it, but with medication, it often remains dormant and people who have it can lead a relatively normal life. I dated a girl for a while who had it, but I never caught it because her meds were making it LESS transmittable. Whenever she had an outbreak, which is when it is most transmittable, she told me and we abstained until her smptoms subsided. There was still SOME risk, but I accepted it. AiDS is not a hoax, but is less often transmitted in heterosexual sex. If you hobby with trannies, there is additional risk, but they now have PRep to minimize chances of getting it, but we won't know for years how long your kidneys will last using it. Lol
My friend it is not a coincidence that you don't get STIs when you use condoms.
Indeed!
because there were several instances where the sex was fully covered, but I got it from a provider who was doing camel slides on my bare dick before applying the condom. Since that is a service many providers make as part of their routine, it is only coincidental that in last few years, I have not had an STI, even though many of the ladies I saw included camel slides in their normal menu even though the intercourse is covered.
Also, the infections I had were at a time when I was seeing 150+ different providers every year. The more providers you see, the more OFTEN you are likely to get an STI. For the "normal" once or twice a month hobbyist, if they were to catch an STI at the same percentage I did, it might be once every 6 to 10 years for them. This point should put it in better perspective for those that think my former statement seemed like I was being reckless back in the day. I wasn't. I just saw a lot of providers, so there was an increased risk based on the numbers.
Though it sounds like you might be experiencing more luck than coincidence these days.
It's a combination of caution and luck, just like a lot of other things in life. Like I said, we all have our own comfort level when it comes to risk tolerance. There is nothing in this business that 100% safe from everything, so each of us has to find the level we are comfortable at.
bringing your own condom or telling providers you’ll use theirs helps you, since you say you can’t tell whether or not a condom was on your dick until you see the cum dripping out of their pussies (or not).
As for waiting to see if your dick turned black and fell off after a week before deciding to return to see a provider who’d deceived you by not using a condom… I don’t suppose you got tested after each BBFS session, and waited for negative test results before having sex with another woman? That’s the only almost-sure way to tell you weren’t infected—several STDs can have no symptoms, or none for a long time.
And as was mentioned above, some STIs are incurable. In fact, four of the eight pathogens linked to the greatest incidence of STI are incurable. When you were taking that risk with your own health and life, I hope you did everything possible to protect the thousands of women you’ve had or will have sex with.
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Steve,
You note that "I don’t suppose you got tested after each BBFS session, and waited for negative test results before having sex with another woman?"
I suspect CDL, being the knowledgeable fellow he is, wore a condom while subsequently having sex with other women.
AllTheTimeBaby
Well, we really don’t know, do we? In fact, based on what CDL has told us, HE may not know.
I’m not doing BBFS, and either are any of my provider friends. Maybe just the entertainment you choose do. Even if you say it’s 50% as adults we can agree to disagree. Hopefully you get tested because STD’s are real. I am sure some are offering, but to say we’re all naive for not understanding it’s half of us that do provided BBFS is outlandish. We’re all not the same & this is not a 1 size fits all industry.
You have no clue what your provider friends do. You just know what they tell you they do. Those are rarely the same thing.
So yes we know our friends are safe because we see what they do it’s weird how you think 🤔 you know, but don’t know us.
They use protection around other providers but some will go without when they are with certain clients.
I've had a provider who would see me with no cover but when we did duos together, I knew the deal...we both needed to cover up.
So please stop being so naive...or maybe it's a game and you also ride it bare with your best clients. 🤷♂️
Only the provider and client are the ONLY ones who knows the truth.
We all have a list of Providers that you may be shocked at what they really do behind closed doors.
Ok. Sure. I believe you.
I think this was attached to the wrong part. I do believe Bia. It's the main guy that I was referring to.
Never had an STD in my life and hope it stays that way.
Anyone can be carrying an STD but it might be more risky with providers who offer BB consistently and are low priced. And yes , a client can pass STD 's to a provider as well.
So to minimize your risk, choose your pussy or cock carefully. By the way I heard there are STD test kits available......let's find out more. Where are the internet sleuths?
I think if providers are offering bbfs often it doesn't matter how much the session cost, it's a risk. Or are you implying that a guy who pays more is somehow cleaner ? Or the assumption the less u charge the more guys you see? Wow so many assumptions. I don't charge a lot, I don't see many guys at all and across the board full service is covered. I think a lot of guys say a lot of gals do bare and just don't admit it cuz they are trying to get it normalized. I mean if ur not in a committed relationship you should use protection. Civvie or whore or client. It's just smart to be cautious. And what happened to aids or HIV ? They didn't get cured. Yes u can take prep but I don't know how failproof that is. And herpes is forever. And I myself would feel icky if I had guys I am not in a relationship with dumping their loads in me. I guess I am a prude. So be it.
Hey JPJ,
They say that in hope of making more then you just paid them. A Provider uses condoms, because they do not want to get any sexually transmitted disease from a client and pass it on to other clients (So, yeah feel special. Stop acting like an ass and be Thankful).
You can only comment on what you do. You are not a mind reader of what others do; nor am I. My comment was based on actual, real, factual experience…. You can choose to believe it or not… I frankly don’t give a shit either way.
Maybe I’m just very lucky… but
I played extensively with 3 higher end ladies for years: 2 west coast, 1 east coast. Saw the west coast ladies for at least 6 years and about 20 visits each. 1 lady was bare from day 1… never even asked me about putting a condom on. The other west coast lady required a condom on our first visit .. but told me we could go bare if i showed her test results. So got tested, showed her results, and we went bare for the next 6 years. Never had any problem with either one.
East coast lady never asked about protection from day 1… which was consistent with many reviews of her. Couldn’t even guess how many times we’ve been together .. she retired a few years ago, but we still see each other very often.
Have never had a scare or any reason for concern. To each their own. Make your own choice … I respect your choice and opinion… but don’t fucking preach to me about what I choose to do.
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I say things that never happened for $500.
Or you are the luckiest mf and should be hitting the casinos.
I always bring my own cover. About 3/4 of providers let me use it. Some prefer to use their own cover. Either is fine.
LOL, I see why a lot of the old guard don't post on here anymore. What is the point of this post? One has to wonder. I'll go back to just reading and keep my comments to myself.
"The ones that irritate me are those that just do it without a cover one day and you were not even aware of it until they climb off and your load drips out of your pussy"
So, the great and powerful CDL, knower of all things sex related, does not know where his dick is going? SMH.That's the most ludicrous statement I ever heard!! Even if she happened to slip it inside herself in the heat of the moment, you never realized it until you were finshed?? I call bullshit and this just proves your pompous ass is all just talk for the sake of hearing yourself.
You must have heard that from some of the ladies I've seen. LOL
If you saw more providers, you would be embarrassed by this post. Do you believe stealthing can only occur for women? Hundreds of ladies I have seen went from BBBJ, put the cover on with their mouth (which is often hard to detect if they are experts), and then slid their body up over me for cowgirl, so I sometimes am not in a position to see my dick when lying on my back because the view is blocked by her body and she is doing the driving. They will often have their tongue in my mouth while reaching around to insert me into their pussy and the view is blocked. It only sounds ludicrous to you because you have limited experience according to your review history. You see barely one girl every other month. For me, it's two or three ladies a week, occasionally 4.
Perhaps if you increase the number of ladies you see, you will be surprised and find that it is possible in CG position not to see the actual entry. That's when it happens. Otherwise, I always know. I didn't say it happens a lot (maybe a half dozen out of well-over 2000 sessions, but it does happen now and then. Just because something that seems impossible has never happened to you doesn't mean it hasn't happened to someone else. You haven't been to the moon either, but that doesn't mean no one else has. If I had YOUR limited experience, I would probably be calling bullshit, too. (Go ahead and say what the low volume mongers always say . . . ."I don't review every girl I see." LOL)
Someone should be embarrassed by some posts in this thread. But that someone is you.
How could you NOT see the cover, which the provider applied with her mouth, when she lifted her mouth off your dick and moved her body to the CG position? I know several providers who apply the cover with their mouth, and that’s been done to me hundreds of times. Each time I was able to see the cover as she switched to CG (or some other position). It’s impossible to NOT see it… assuming your eyes are open. And if you did have your eyes closed, so you didn’t know whether the cover was there or not, why didn’t you stop the provider as she was switching to CG to check on the cover?
The only conclusion we can make is that you didn’t bother to check for the cover because you didn’t care whether she used one or not. Which makes your whiny statement about “irritating” providers who trick you into BBFS ridiculous. Just one of your ridiculous statements in this thread.
limited experience monger (showing NO reviews) that has never had a big-titted provider slide up his body, dragging her tits along your skin until she is completely over you. One thing about this biz is it has made me much more adventurous in trying new things and different positions. I did say I have only been surprised by this move about a half dozen times out of thousands of sessions. Sadly, plain-vanilla guys like you fuck providers the way you would your wife if she wasn't disgusted by you. You're the poster-boy for not being married if you are going to be in this biz. How can you let loose and have fun when you know all the time you're a cheater with someone who trusts you? Go ahead, let's hear your lame excuse. Lol
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lame attack by CDL, which he has to resort to when he’s called out on his B.S.
But thanks for backing me up on my assertion about how ridiculous your complaint about those “irritating” providers who tricked you into BBFS was. And it’s even more ridiculous after your illogical explanation as to why you didn’t see the cover that these “big-tittied” providers had applied with their mouths before they mounted you CG style, because they slid their bodies up over you. I can’t wait for you to try to explain how that could happen, such that you didn’t have a view of your dick at some point. Just a reminder, since you seem to have forgotten what a woman looks like: her “titties” are at least 8-9” BELOW her mouth. Also, unless you’ve seen the World’s Greatest Contortionist at least a half-dozen times (and I expect you will claim that, just as you claim everything else), there’s no way a woman can move from having her mouth covering your dick to CG position without leaving your dick uncovered… unless you don’t understand what “CG” means. lol
And as I said earlier, if it were possible that it was impossible for you to see your uncovered dick between BBBJ and CG, it means you didn’t give a rat’s ass that the provider was doing BBFS—so why complain about it?
show you are a miserable, unhappy person who is in a marriage he doesn't want. Either you are too much of a coward to file for divorce or your wife is the breadwinner for the family and you can't make it financially without her. The fact that you are so fucking serious here shows the depth of your misery.
Nobody "backed you up". Your reading comprehension problems and your dishonesty of a cheater confirm the situation I just described above, Mr. Mom. It you are lying to your wife why should anyone here believe you? I note for the record you did not even attempt to make any excuses about why you cheat on your wife. If she is your sole means of support, it's a topic better left alone.
Thanks for confirming what a lame fuck you are because you are continuously looking at your dick during a session. Lol
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that you don’t seem to realize that your attack posts, like those above, don’t accomplish anything except to remind people here that you’re a pathetic human being.
LOL, he liked his own post.
I only respond with an attack post to those that attack me first, like you did. The rest of my comments here are either informational or just for humor and fun. You haven't yet answered the question why your wife despises you but you are too ball-less to leave her. Do you have to ask her if you can borrow your nuts before you go see a provider? Lol
Do you see the irony in YOU starting an attack, getting your ass handed to you, and then whining about it? MYOB and you won't get hurt. Some never learn. Lol
It isn't true you post an attack ad only in response to an attack on you. You seem to attack Queen Bia and her posts frequently when she never mentions you.
they are sarcasm and mocking all in good fun over the things she tries to present here as facts when they are really just her self-serving opinions. She is also my muse for humor. She is such an inspiration. Nothing is mean-spirited like the attacks I get from the low-volume mongers here (most of whom use aliases so we can't tell low-volume from no-volume - Lol), unless she attacks me first, which she has done. She and I will be having a civil debate and all of a sudden she goes ballistic when I disagree with one of her pseudo-facts.
Sarcasm??? You could also call it a bowlful of puppies, a chocolate Sundae or a bunch of hooey for that matter. Humor??? I don't see your negativity as humor but then what would I expect with someone of such little experience and low-volume as yourself. Since 800 reviews is the standard to be considered an expert, you are half-way there. So keep on plugging along and someday soon someone may consider your word gospel. Furthermore, since you are using an alias, how are we to consider anything you say is of value? Hiding behind a made up name isn't very courageous. I looked up couer-de-lion in both the White & Yellow Pages and couldn't find a listing for you. Google has the name but you're not representing yourself as the handmade jewelry company from Germany are you??? You talk about other's psuedo-facts but constantly misrepresent, generalize, surmise, extrapolate or twist what they are saying to mean something else.
So please keep up the non-attacks and we will laugh but not because it is humor as you label it.
over 400 reviews on another site before I started reviewing here in 2015 after the other site shut down, which has been verified on the boards here by others who knew me over there, so thank you for confirming the standard for being an expert and that I'm indeed the expert here. Your 178 reviews since 2013 is a worthy accomplishment, and I salute you for it, but do you see the irony in calling me low-volume by comparison? Lol
By the way, CDL is my username, and not an alias. You've been here long enough that you should know how to tell the difference. Ask around. Your comment suggests that your real-life name is George Spelviniii, (or could it be George Tirebiter?) If it is real, then I have to ask is there really three "i''s at the end or do you just stutter when you write? Lol If not, then you are also hiding behind a made-up username, as is EVERYONE else here, so what is your point? The word-salad you call a post is all over the place.
So, were you born without a sense of humor, or did you have it surgically removed? Lol
Sorry to have upset you, George, it was not my intention. Go have a glass of warm milk and take a nice nap. Lol
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I'm not upset in the least. I find it ironic though that you took everything I wrote to heart and that you don't understand humor or sarcasm when you read it.
walk-backs I've seen on here. Kudos.
for the reminder that I forgot to add “delusional” to “pathetic” above.
calling someone else delusional and pathetic when you are the one cheating on your wife. What could be more pathetic than sleazing around on a woman who trusts you? What did she do to deserve your dishonesty and disloyalty, and why don't you just end the marriage? You should add to MY list integrity, loyalty and honesty, three traits you are knowingly eschewing by your lack of cajónes.
I mean, jeez, man, we get that you aren't married (and neither am I). But we're all whoremongers here, morally-challenged, serial purchasers of illegal sex. Law breakers. So I try not to judge the subset of us who are married.
If you haven't walked a mile in a man's shoes....
to not judge others, when you have no idea of their circumstances except perhaps what they’ve posted here.
And then there’s those who just make up shit in a sorry attempt to try to get a response, even though the truth is much different—and has been posted here. But then, the truth doesn’t matter to pathetic, delusional people.
lecturing on not judging others when your first attack post to me was highly judgmental? You just can't seem to remember how this started, can you? Lol
Likewise, more irony with you talking about "truth" when you are cheating on your wife, a woman who is trusting you to not do what you are doing. A truthful and honest guy (with both balls and integrity) would just get a divorce and then go crazy with providers without thinking of new ways to hide it from your wife. Nicky and I are pretty much blackmail-proof. You could be, too, if you had the courage to do the right thing for both you and your wife.
his shoes when I was married to my first wife. I was miserable and down-in-the-mouth all the time just like Stevie. I started taking on girlfriends on the side (didn't have to pay in those days due to my looks), but after a year, I just got a divorce. It cost me a bundle, but it was money well spent to be able to start fresh and be free to have all the women I wanted for the next ten years. The lesson for me was that, if you're thinking about getting married, take a hard look at the woman and ask yourself if you can stay with her for at least a couple of decades without seeing other women, and it the answer is NO, don't get married. The fact that Stevie thinks cheating is the way to happiness is the only thing pathetic and delusional about this exchange. After each session he has to go home and tell lies to his wife's face, but he doesn't have the confidence to make a go of it without her like you and I have.
is duly noted for the record. You have no more substantive defense for your disloyal actions to your wife, so you are trying to be cute, an epic fail if ever there was one. It must really suck to be you. Lol
I have to say there are a hell of a lot of married men participating in this "hobby" and I find it dicky that you are all over him. Sure in a beautiful world we could all tell the absolute truth. But here we live in reality. A good portion of the men I have seen are married, love their wife and don't want a divorce and for whatever reason they see me. Alot of older ladies are done w sex after menopause. So then that's it for her husband. I always say she has hands and a mouth if the pussy is causing pain. But for whatever reason they have sex outside their marriage.
Now if I was married and I just stopped all sex I would expect that he is getting it somewhere. Would I want to know ? I am not sure. It's handling a need not having another relationship. So please I am happy to do my part in helping these men stay w the wives they love. And you say he has no integrity, to me integrity is doing the right thing and each person is different. Maybe they would want to know and maybe they don't. Sex causes alot of jealousy. So maybe with no interest in sex they aren't concerned what he's doing . Or he's caring for a sick wife. You think it would be nice to tell her that he's scratching an itch elsewhere.
So to all the married men I have seen you get no judgement here. I myself could not do what you guys do. I couldn't have sex w someone else while in a relationship and keep it secret. That would mess me up. I have actually talked a few would be clients into not seeing me because I didn't think they could handle it either. But they were young and it would be more of wanting their cake and eating it too. So I am much more accepting in the older guys reason for seeing me. To me it's an expression of their love that they want to stay married. They do what they have to and she's probably none the wiser.
And actually I am being wrong in saying younger guys are cheating for selfish reasons. Who knows what their reasons are all I know is I am a safe outlet that won't interfere with their marriage. And monogamy is not the norm in most animals. So maybe we are wrong for making it be the only way society views relationships. I have a ton of integrity and I am a whore. Do with that what you want but there are a lot of ladies in this biz that have hearts of gold and integrity to boot and who I would be honored to call my friend. Same as the men I have met. A lot of them I do think of as friends. And I don't question their integrity.
None of us know what's really in another person's heart and soul. What one thinks is an immoral job another thinks it is a beautiful way to help keep relationships on an even keel or bring joy to a lonely, unattached male.
I always thought you were an ok guy cdl but harping on him for cheating on his wife just doesn't sit well. Who are you to judge.
you’re still missing something important here.
You came closest with “To me it's an expression of their love … “. But what you missed is the tremendous expression of love, and trust, by the other person in the committed relationship to give permission to their partner to see others for what they, for whatever reason, cannot provide: physical intimacy, including sex. And of course, there’s also the concept of an “open” committed relationship, where the partners have sex with each other but are free to see others for sex, too, likely with some established ground rules.
It appears some people think that when such an open arrangement exists, it still constitutes “cheating” by the person seeing others for sex, even though it’s with the knowledge and consent of their partner. I hope you’re not one of those people. Based on what you said above, I don’t expect that you are.
you have an "OPEN arrangement" with your wife. That's curious since you have posted here giving advice to others about the steps YOU take to keep your wife from finding out about you fucking providers. Somebody else brings up open marriage and you pivot to try to cover your own ass. You could have brought it up at the top of the discussion, but you didn't think about it until Stephie brought it up, and I don't recall you ever mentioning you have such an arrangement before. Got a link to where you have talked about your "open marriage?"
When you find yourself in a hole, you should stop digging, but you just can't help yourself. Our exchange was two weeks ago and you can't let it go because you were exposed as someone who can't be trusted. Why would it bother you so much if you truly had an "open arrangement." Bwahahahahaha
This all started when you refused to take responsibility for "about a half dozen" providers doing BBGC on you. You said you didn't realize these "irritating" providers had done it until you saw the cum dripping out of their pussies. Being tricked once is possible; being tricked again, and again, and again, and again, and again isn't, unless you're the world's biggest idiot--you don't want to admit to that, do you? As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." But fool me SIX times? It's clear you didn't care if it was BBCG or not, yet you blamed the providers, not yourself.
Now you're refusing to take responsibility for your incorrect assumption that I'm cheating on my wife--you blamed me for YOUR mistake. Even when I tossed you a bone and said "the truth is much different--and has been posted here" (on TER), you kept up your incessant attacks based on an assumption YOU made. If you cared at all about the truth, you would have skimmed over my posts about my wife, and in less than a minute you would have seen that I've posted more than once about her giving me permission to see other women for sex. You DO know how to do a simple, one-word search on someone's posts, don't you? I'd think someone with over 27,000 posts here would know how to do that. But it appears you can't do a simple search like that. So I'll give you some help:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/for-me-no-1004028
But of course, you don't care about the truth. You live to make up shit about other people, people you know nothing about except what they've posted on TER, and even people who've never posted here--people like my wife. And you talk about MY digging holes? You're hilarious. And as for being trusted... this long chain of attacks of yours, based on a lie, is more evidence that nothing you say here can be trusted by anyone. How can someone who doesn't care about the truth be trusted?
Someone with any shred of decency and integrity would have taken responsibility and apologized for their mistake rather than blaming someone else. But then, someone with any shred of decency and integrity would have never made these attacks, based on a lie, to begin with.
P.S. For whomever (besides CDL) “liked” his reprehensible posts in this thread, I’ll echo George Bailey: “And that goes for YOU, too!”
a link about this. I was getting ready to provide some help to YOU. Lol There are eleven posts where you talk about that, and I wasn't sure how to get into them without baiting you with a small lie. I wanted to see WHICH one you would pick to explain that I was wrong, and predictably, the picked the one that causes the least damage to you. There are actually eleven posts where you talk about this, and it's interesting how you try to sanitize the process in SOME of them so you don't look like a simpering fool.
99% of these situations like you describe start when a guy who "has not had sex with his wife in years" (to quote one of your posts), finds out his wife has been cucking him with another man (or men). When the women are the ones who are wronged, they have no problem showing the man the door, and that's why it imperative on the married guys here to keep their secret, unless they want to get out and have it be HER idea. You confront her, and she says, if you don't like it, then leave or find your own women to fuck, but she is not going to give up the man (or men) that she is seeing to be with a guy who admittedly has "not fucked her in years." Then you give the blah, blah, blah in your posts about how good this is that the two of you communicate well. You say you love her, but she obviously doesn't love you, because she doesn't care who you fuck, she loves the guy (or guys) that are taking care of her sexually the way her husband didn't. She has given up on you, doesn't want your "love" and tolerates your presence under the same roof, usually for financial reasons because if you divorce and divide the assets, both of you will have a lower standard of living and you won't be able to afford the pussy that she "allows" you to have. Just don't ask to have hers. If it hasn't happened already, someday you are going to run into one of more of the guys she was, or is, cucking you with. Maybe someone will post video somewhere. I see a viral moment in your future. Lol You should have quit while you were behind, Stevie. LOL
For anyone who wants to see how all of this is easy to piece together, do a search for author Steve_Trevor with key-word, "wife" and read all eleven of the posts.
Stevie, I do apologize for playing you like this, but you make it too easy. Lol
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Sometimes you manage to outdo your delusional, pathetic self… which is really difficult.
One of your lies gets exposed, so you spew out more of them. Typical, and predictable. I hope it makes you feel better about having to be you.
you have posted in the past. The pathetic part is that your wife won't give you sex anymore, but you don't have the balls to get a divorce. My narrative is all supported by YOUR own posts. I already admitted I lied to bait you into referring to your prior posts, and it worked. Now your own pathetic life is pieced together for all to see. Any farmer will tell you there is no reason to keep the cow if she's not giving you milk anymore. She's not giving you sex, but she "allows" you (your words) to get your sex where you can. If you don't have the financial resources to cut her loose, then I imagine MOST of your sexual activity is by yourself. Is your inclination that she is cucking you with only one hunky dude, or are there several drawing free water from your well? You should free yourself from this joke of a marriage. It makes you look like a sad, pathetic shell of a man. How much of an allowance does she give you to see providers? She's obviously in control of things from what you have posted. Run an ad in the local classified section for a "used wife, T.O.P." If she's not hot, try the Pennysaver. Lol
You post the link to where I posted “… but she (my wife) obviously doesn't love you (me), because she doesn't care who you fuck, she loves the guy (or guys) that are taking care of her sexually the way her husband didn't.” That shouldn’t be a problem for you, since you say you just quoted what I’ve posted.
When you do that, I’ll apologize for saying you’re delusional and pathetic.
But if you fail to do that (which you will, since I never said/posted 99% of the shit you’ve claimed in this thread that I’ve posted), you will apologize for all of your lies and vicious attacks and promise to refrain from doing them to anyone on TER from now on.
Deal? Or are you as ball-less as everyone on here thinks you are?
P.S. I will grant you that you’re probably an expert on loveless, failed marriages… yours, I mean. So you couldn’t possibly understand how two people could love each other and stay together, for better or worse, in sickness and in health, for decades. I feel sorry for you. And I hope you get the help that you so desperately need for you disorder(s).
with your wife that makes any sense to anyone else, so what qualifies you to make a deal with me? Do you even KNOW who she is cucking you with? You say you love her, so why wouldn't she be satisfied with YOUR love? Why does she need to fuck other guys? Are you really that bad of a lay? Is that why you are sticking with professionals, because civvie women just laugh at you? Youi don't seem to want to answer my questions, but you want me to answer yours. Are you spoiled much? Lol
Do you see the irony in calling me ball-less when you voluntarily stay in a marriage where your wife would rather fuck someone else than YOU and you someone else rather than her? I've been divorced a few times, usually very quickly (within weeks or months), and I just pay them off to go away. You can always make the money again, but someone like you will never recover the time you wasted with these limitations on your marriage. My only "long" marriage was 16 years and it ended when she had a stroke at an early age 17 years ago and passed. I have been single since then. I miss my late wife, but with civvie women, being a widower has gotten me a LOT of free pussy.
First, you, Steve, note you WILL not get in that last word. So let it go.
I got a idea, why don't both you meet at the flag pole at 3pm and have it out because this is what this back and forth has come to.
Dam, really both you need to grow the fuck up
And this whole wife shit is fucked up, regardless
This is prime entertainment for a guy like you that has no life. Lol
Since you love to use (incorrectly) the word irony...it's quite ironic that someone who virtually lives on this anonymous fuck board, I would guess posting and making up kgirl reviews is your life. And let's not forget your top secret "indy" girls you see.
I'm sure you made a great hall monitor in school, when you were getting pantsed and having kick me sticker put on your back.
Take a vacation with your girl Queen and we'll see if we can get by without your sage advice (via Google)
400 reviews may seem like a lot to a guy who averages less than one review per month, and I'm guessing that the jealousy that oozes through every word you post is due to financial constraints because of limited resources. Maybe you should take a break from this biz, find some financial success somewhere and then you would be in a position to see as many Kgirls as I do. I know cleaning swimming pools for rich people in SoCal has given you a bad attitude on life, so maybe you should try something else. With the new minimum wage in CA of $15 an hour, there are opportunities everywhere, but you should hurry before the migrant snap up all of these good-paying jobs. Have you EVER posted anything positive on this board? I don't think so.
I have challenged you before to see any girl I have reviewed and then tell me what I got wrong about the session. You can't, because your claim of fake reviews is just projection.
of who needs to grow the fuck up is off by 50%.
And meeting at a flag pole won’t help. CDL needs professional help. I’m serious. And I don’t mean pro sex workers.
in a smaller size that fits you, I would buy you a pair of balls so you could get a divorce and live a real life. Lol
If that question was to me I really don't care if they are cheating or not. I mean, if they are seeing me and lying to their partner or seeing me and their partner knows it's not on me if they are breaking a trust or not. I don't date married men in real life because I feel then i am part of the equation. It's still on him but I would be complicit in that I am involved. When it's work I don't have any guilt because I am doing this for money and don't want your man. I am a safe outlet if he is cheating because I am not trying to get involved in your relationship.
So anyway you slice it it's the person who has the relationship that has to deal w any feelings of shame or lack of honesty. But like I said there are many reasons why someone in a relationship sees me and I am not going to judge. People should really mind their own business and not try to think they know what is going on in others relationships.
That you lack experience. Absolutely hilarious.
with less than one review a month. Do you see the irony in a guy with little experience white-knighting for another guy with little experience. I guess you low-volume mongers should look out for each other. Bwahahahahaha
You missed the whole point, his inexperience is WHY he has never experienced what I described in my post. Have you also kept your eye on your dick EVERY time it entered a pussy, or are you sometimes in positions that do not lend themselves to a bird's eye view of the joining of sex organs, and for that matter, does it make any difference to anybody but the haters? Lol
BTW, have you moved up to VIP membership yet so you can better-analyze "thousands upon thousands" of reviews? Talk about bullshit? You wrote the book. Lol
There is no point in my trying to reply to his non-logical statement since anything I say will be attacked as I don't know what I am speaking about., so I won't Rocket. But you obviously see the ridiculous conclusion he came to - the Pope of Punters Pontificates with twisted logic and expects everyone to take it as gospel. Point of fact, I have not reviewed all the girls i have met, for various reasons. Since I started in this adventure over 11 years ago, I have slowed down significantly for a few reasons, but I also did see and review girls under a different handle before the TER shutdown. I started seeing escorts before I knew about review sites - I guess I was lucky to have found some good ones lol.
Circumstances being what they are, I mostly keep seeing a few girls I know well and always have a good time with since they are accomodating and awesome.
One final point: I learned when I was very young to ALWAYS know wher both my wallet and my dick was at all times!
is in the car during a session and my dick is always attached to my body, but if tits are hanging in front of my eyes, I can't always see it. Your explanation seems to indicate that you are now in agreement that what I claim is possible, just not with you because you watch your dick every minute of the session, or are you saying it would have been possible for you, too, but just never happened the way it did to me?
A person with 16 reviews is now the expert who knows 50% of the women are willing to do this? I'm not buying it. And, to be fair, let's not include the K-girls that advertise they do this in that number, because that's just tipping the scales for the women that do not advertise it. And, there are some who are not K-girls that advertise it too, so not really counting them, since no kidding no surprise. This is about women who do not advertise it. Do some of them do it? Well yes, of course they do. It's no surprise that some women will do it who do not advertise it. In my experience, most who do not advertise it, will not do it. The ones who will, usually are selective and will not do it with just anyone, and it's not just about throwing more money at them. First, you probably need to be a regular. Second, they probably need to really like you as a regular. Then, if they will do it, it will probably cost you more money and require a recent test. I think that percentage is probably closer to 10% than it is 50%. And, that 10% doesn't apply to just any client, but a small select number of special clients. The percentage that will do it with anyone for the right amount of money and who do not advertise it is likely very low. And, let's not get wild and include some ridiculous amount of money in the right amount of money. I'm sure if I was insance and offered 10k for one bang that number would go up. Enough money will always entice more, but there's a point where it's not even worth sharing that a women will do it for such a ridiculous amount of money. I'm focusing on reasonable amount of more money here.
Will never go BBFS due to contracting STDs. 100% not worth it. An orgasm is an orgasm. Not going to get AIDs or another STD just so my orgasm feels 10% nicer. STDs destroy your life - forever. Use protection.
Let me start with this “outs” no one. My reviews here are five + years old and this speaks to none of them.
So, starting around 2018 I was financially able to monger with ladies in the $700/hr+ range, favoring 2 hour sessions. I consider myself a 60+ well-mannered, well-spoken and well-groomed client who is athletically fit.
BBFS/CIP is rampant with the ladies I see, in fact they refer me to other ladies who raw dog…one lady will often back channel the other to tell her I’m “OK”. It is often not even discussed, after the stripper slide, it just goes right in. Or if I’m on top, kissing her, she just grabs hold and starts guiding me in.
If we talk about it, it’s “I get tested once a month” and “I’m choosy who I do it with” (that not being a slob, well-mannered thing).
50/50? More like 70/30 in my experience. More common with ladies 35+. Never a upcharge, frequent repeat. Never had an STD and CIP is amazing…better than CIM.
I wonder whether it's an empirically sound sample.
I started P4P in the early 90s (long before I discovered TER) and AIDS was not that far in the rear view mirror. Some providers wouldn't even kiss, much less do BBBJ back then. Things loosened up over the next couple of years and eventually the menus opened accordingly.
However, in the decades since, and across ~ 250 providers I've seen in that time, I can remember maybe 3 who offered BBFS. I never saw any of those 3 again. Of course, none of us can say what a lady does when out of our presence, but to the extent our personal experiences offer some evidence, I come out at 247 to 3 in favor of covered.
FWIW, I have seen only a handful of new ladies over the last 3 years, and not one has offered BBFS. I won't even consider seeing K-girls given their propensity for BBFS (presuming the reviews are accurate).
So, another data point to consider.
I think that is a good observation. Each of us tends to self select into some niche type area of the large market. As the other poster was saying, he is networked with the BBFS CIP providers. Suggesting that experience is representative of the entire market is questionable.
My personal experience has been that a number of providers will selectively offer BB but until recently my experience has been CIP was not on the table. They did not want to risk either the increased transfer of disease or pregnancy. Now, that is not the case for those that seem to advertise BB. I do stay away from that in most cases but certainly cannot say I do no/will not engage in uncovered sex with all providers. But it's a rare case and I need to have some confidence they are smart about what they are doing. That clearly would skew my perspective on the frequency of BB in the industry towards a much lower level than the other poster.
That said, I do suspect that the frequency has been increasing in the past few years just given both the observation of ads offering the service and the discussions on the topic that come up here.
Although I admit to being tempted to see K-girls now that there are some who are doing girl-girl dates. I wonder whether they'd let me just watch. : )
probably need to ask lowpaw for some advice on that question.
And they’d probably encourage him to come back as it would be some of the easiest money they ever made.
Not throwing shade at Helixer. I’ve done DATY only sessions myself. Didn’t plan it that way, just happened. Still fun.
Also I’d bet Lopaw does plenty more than “just watch”. But I can’t back that up. She won’t let me watch! LoL
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Just watch? I don't have that kind of self control 😜
Where did I suggest lowpaw only watches?
But it's clear she will have much better experience, insight and knowledge related to which of the working K-girls in the area are most comfortable with lesbian sessions and who might be incline to but on a good show.
Helixer:
“I wonder whether they'd let me just watch. : )”
probably need to ask lowpaw for some advice on that question.
Now, this last post is more what you actually intended to say. That she has more insight into Asian providers who may be into lesbian encounters. That’s a very reasonable observation.
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so bad in bed that it would dampen the enthusiasm of the girls, then by all means, just tell them you want to watch them please each other sexually. Lol
Seriously, you are the one paying. IMO, after having seen hundreds upon hundreds of Kgirls, this is something that most Kgirls would be happy to do. The two of them may even become a couple after that. Lol
I will not suggest that you ask Lopaw if you can watch one of her Kgirls sessions because I know she doesn't want a dick (you can take this either way - Lol) in the room, even if you left your clothes on. Lol
Agreed, this is a subset…higher-end girls, MILF-y age.. These ladies never advertise BBFS, it’s UTR…their choice to offer it up. I also book two hour sessions and present myself well, which I think helps.
Truth is, bbfs has been going on for the entire time ive been in this hobby, 25 years, and due to the new meds, its very very common. Id say the 50% mark is a lowball. You can type in bbfs on search functions on different esvorts sites and all kinds of ads pop up. I think its risky behavior.
Ive been offered by providers ive repeated since i can remember. I remember the first time i was offered i was shocked. Russian roulette imo.
Even with all the new meds, i dont want warts on my genitals. And the chances of getting said warts is higher odds than id like to play off of. Ill pass and live vicariously through others reviews lol.
Like many others I have met several recently who have no issues with it. I may be wrong but possibly because it is becoming the norm. I got hit with it about a year or more ago from a super hot regular of mine. She is 115 lbs. soaking wet and a sex machine. And yes I did fail the test the first few times, it was the best I have ever had. In the long run the worry afterwards made me end things with her for BBFS. I do see her when possible and stick to oral finish. Going forward and then meeting other providers it almost seems like rubbers are not a issue. My go to so far is to bring my own and not ask.
I don’t think people anyone can know a true percentage, and there are so many factors involved such as price range, demographics, financial need, amount of financial inducement etc. Of course there are ladies who do that with some of their clients. What is a little shocking is how naive some of the providers are about the risks—I’ve heard “don’t worry I’m clean” just because she doesn’t have symptoms (but doesn’t get tested). Or “I only do it with clean clients” because she did a quick inspection and saw nothing, or they told her they’re clean lol. I’ve also heard “don’t worry I’m on birth control” and “I do cover up for vaginal sex but we can do anal bare”. Unbelievable. To be honest I have on rare occasions had the lady just nonchalantly slide down on me before without prior discussion, and I didn’t stop her because I was too weak in that moment, but then I won’t see her again because i don’t trust myself to do anything different in that situation again. It’s not worth the stress for a few weeks until I get tested (always been negative). But it does seem like it’s becoming more frequent than say 20 years ago, maybe because AIDS isn’t quite the death sentence it used to be nor as visible as during the 80s when there were a lot of AIDS activism and media stories.
Even more so in the SB world.
Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.
Brothers, once again.....lets look at ourselves. When the back and forth gets to the point where the thread is as thin as a single letter.....it's time to stop. We are chasing women who get paid to play. It is illegal by definition and brings a host of other criminal activity. We all engage activities that are questionable or worse. We got mongers judging mongers and talking smack. We got mongers who try non stop to impress us with their vocabulary and writing prowess. Lets not take ourselves too seriously. After all we fuck whores and sometimes they fuck$ us. Apologies in advance to the whores. I know some of you don't like my vocabulary. Queen Bia your rants directed at me are still up so ill re-read those and save you some time ; )