I won't be participating as much on the boards soon, though I will poke my head in and see what's going on..
This brings to mind something. I entered the business by teaming up with someone my SO/FB person knew from long ago in his past, who was still a Provider. I could clearly see that she was not my type or style, but she had the experience I needed and I had much to learn and it was a starting point. Everybody has to do what they do for whatever reasons and whatever works for them and I asked her about some of her practices - questions, not judgement. One of things I mentioned was that her rates were WAY too low and that maybe she wasn't aware of current market value rates. When I mentioned to her what my rates 'would' be once I had my website and branched on my own, she got very indignant and said, 'oh, so I suppose you think you're worth it!' - you must really think you're something!' Now, that's taking a completely different slant on the topic here..but this woman hadn't worked in the working world for 20 years; had done nothing other than being a Provider, didn't own a TV, or computer, and had very little contact with people in any other circle socially, etc. so she very much had 'blinders' on in more ways than one. I not only told her that yes, my chosen rates would not only be current market value, but that, of course, I felt I was worth it, and felt SHE was, too..
Then I moved on..
When I got my website and teamed up with a young lady who operated her business in exactly the same manner as I wanted to do, I started with the same, fair, rates that she did. After a few months, I felt they were a bit too low (in the multiple hours) and upped them the first of this year. I got all kinds of flack from the guys and ladies alike! Holyshit - you'd have thought I committed the ultimate sin! So, I put them BACK to the way they were last year..
And, now, once again, I've made a change, but only to make it easier, more across the board, and I think these rates are fair whether we're in a recession or not, and they are pretty much geographic-friendly. Now, the interesting thing is, I have clients tell me I've undersold myself! I'm too LOW - but I'm keeping them where they are and this will also leave the gents room to participate more freely by either being a repeat, a regular, and even room to 'tip', should he feel the desire to do so (certainly not required nor expected). I'm making this last sentence more of an 'in general' statement, not so much for Sedona..
As far as 'WORTH' - how could anybody put a price on it? How many of you out there, ladies or gentlemen, feel that your boss is paying you what you're WORTH? Most of you would feel not - and even if you had to agree that you are indeed being paid market value for your position, you'd still feel that you're not being paid what you're worth..
The only providers I have seen personally whose prices are above the 'norm' are Providers who feel that this will attract a certain clientele while weeding out the ones they don't want. I'd be interested in knowing how this theory is working for them. I'd don't necessarily agree with that tactic, but i feel to each, their own..
Another question asked constantly to make one's blood boil over...
For the ladies who charge rates above "market," why would you ask such a quetion and what kind of answer do you expect? Would you walk into an expensive restaurant and ask the hostess or the chef such a rude question? Or, if the price was out of your league, ask for a discount?
This comes up daily among ladies who choose a higher pricing structure that what is considered "going rate"...
Again, what kind of answer do you expect? A simple "yes" or something else? And what is your motivation in posing such an inquiry in the first place?
I quickly learned that many of the people who asked that question could not afford my rate, were bitter about it from the get-go, or if I did meet such a person, became bitter about it afterwards...(and downright irate/psycho if I refused MAJOR discounts for repeat visits)Therefore, my response became '"If you need to ask me that question, you don't fit the profile of the typical client I connect with, we will probably not enjoy each other's company and therefore, I must decline a meeting....good luck-there are plenty of great ladies out there in range that's more comfortable for your situation..."
Obviously, not the answer that was expected but what was expected I still do not know...
Thoughts please from the clients who ask this question...
which makes them jerks. My sympathies.
"if you have to ask you probably can't afford it" deal
i personally don't haggle with providers at all. my only financial perplexity is over the tip, but then that's just an internal conversation which doesn't involve her (if she DID involve herself in that conversation, she'd get the boot! LOL)
frankly, the only providers i can imagine (and have in fact) haggled with are "pornstars" but that's entirely due to the whole gray-area quandry of just who and what and why they claim who and what and why they are!
Don't worry about it. It is just plain rude to even ask such a question.
...over the economics of alternative relationships/dating. 
It is one instance to ask "Are you worth [the fee for service] and quite another to request a lower fee. The first is an tactless insult to you and your judgment and should be ignored. However, per the second question, a request or negotiation for a lower fee in exchange for less time or multiple hour discounts is simply in the course of doing business. And you are in a business (perhaps the SIC code is Services, Adult, relationships and etc.)
If a provider quoted me a fee that was higher than my "reservation" price, then I may venture to request a lower fee in concert with a lower amount of time. And yes, I have requested "frequent visit" discounts as well. Though I have been the fortunate recipient of discounted sessions with several established providers after repeated meetings, by no means does it establish precedent that you do so. If there exists a "market" of clients is willing to meet your fee, then rest assured that you are "worth it" or whatever. I guess then the question is whether your client "market" is large enough or perhaps sufficiently small enough for you.
In summary, tactless queries such as "Are you worth your price?" are boorish and insulting. Nevertheless, a respectful request for a lower fee is not a reason for war. In a market where middle provider fees range from around $150 to $500, business dictates that there is always room for consideration. To your health...
DP
There is no substitute for good manners. As with most things in this life there is almost always a polite alternative to the usual boorish approach used by most men. A true gentleman knows how to negotiate a bargain (if allowed or called for) that makes both him and the lady quite happy and satistfied. The oaf who doesn't have the proper manners will only manage to frustrate himself or insult the lady and have the phone suddenly hang up on him.
That will be $100!
Personally, I would never ask such a question. Who in their right mind would ever answer "no" to this question?
One of the advantages for an escort to have her own web site (as apposed to just posting an ad on an escort advertising site) is that she can list her rates. Then, I can clearly see her rates and if I think they are in line with what I have learned about her (from her web site and her reviews) I will call her. If I believe her rates are too high, I won't bother calling her. (Saving time for both me and her.) But, of course, this is only me.
I have never negotiated a rate with an escort. I think that the financial part of the encounter gets in the way of the enjoyment, and I'm sure most will agree. On one occasion an prospective date quoted me a price that I thought was over the top, and I politely told her so, thanked her for her time on the phone, and said that I would look elsewhere.
The one time in recent memory that I sought out a "lady" at a Las Vegas bar, we spoke, then I told her exactly what I wanted to do and how much I willing to pay her. I told her that she could say, "yes, thank you", or, "no, thank you". She did say yes.
The real reason I posted here is to compliment you, anonymous as you are, for the tact you show when declining the company of these men.
I just ask their rate. If it's more than I chose to pay, I pass on the experience. I can afford to pay a lot more, but I keep coming back to WHY? The primary difference I've seen between an 300/hr experience and a 500/hr experience has been 200/hr.
It doesn't bother me one bit if they charge more than I chose to pay. I just don't see them.
There is a difference between being able to afford a "high" rate and chosing to pay that high rate. I don't go and pay more for an SL560 than it's worth, just 'cause someone is ASKING more for it. It's STILL a great car, but why would I pay MORE for it than look elsewhere for the same car at a lesser price point?
and I don't mind telling men so.
This reminds me of something I heard in High School. I believe it was between Winston Churchill and Lady Astorly or some such.
Him: "Will you have sex with me for one million dollars?"
Her: "Of course I would"
Him" "Will you have sex with me for 10 dollars?"
Her" (Indignantly) "What kind of woman do you think I am?!?!?"
Him" "We've already established the kind of woman you are, now I'm just haggling for price."
On rare occasion, and I do mean rare, I will go the extra freight if I believe going in (no pun) that service will be better, or if for some inexpicable reason I must see that provider. And usually I'm disappointed. But I still try from time to time to find that elusive ultimate provider. There are 2 in Las Vegas I've seen that are pretty damn close, probably as close as it gets for different reasons. But they're not even close to that 500 number.
Yes, the vast bulk of the time my experience has been the same 200. difference.
"I'm worth at least one million times what I charge. Consider yourself lucky I'm even continuing this conversation." Most potential clients totally understand what I mean. The offended clients would be annoyed by my expressiveness anyway, so it does us both good that I scared them away.
wait ... do i detect the scent of freshly cut Wasatch or Black Canyon conifers wafting through?
or is that the new Eau de Telluride No. 5?
Hahahahaa...Oh Singleton, I've missed you! Telluride was more amazing than I ever thought it would be. We hiked all these beautiful trails, swam in freezing cold water, and fell a gazillion times when we were mountain biking. I've traveled around the world, and I've found only a few places that have the sensational vibe of Telluride. There's hardly any women either, and the women there don't wear makeup or have breast implants. It was so liberating. And the best part was dogs are allowed EVERYWHERE...in restaurants, on trails, in church, in city hall, and even my hotel room. So, how are you my dear one? How was your fourth? Do tell me about all your trouble into to which you've been getting yourself.
I have been retained by Mr. Singleton to handle any and all potential legal affairs and pending lawsuits arising from some of the recent statements he has made on this board. While we vehemently deny anything and everything he has said or thought to have said, we would like the public and the media to know that he is by no means a suspected member of any police department(s) nor is he in any way shape or formulation affiliated with any law enforcement (LE) agency.
Pending future developments, I have asked my client not to make any further statements (gag!) in regards to any "troubles" he may be involved in. Please refrain from asking him to comment on these matters until further notice.
Incidentally, if you yourself seek legal representation to help you settle any astronomical financial disputes with current or former clients or to simply inflate your donation rates, please do not hesitate to contact me. I have attached a copy of my business card herein (please wipe off the dirt for better visibility).
Sincerely yours,
Lionel Hutz, AKA Miguel Sánchez, AKA Dr. Nguyen Van Falk
I think providers need to realize that many of us don't think in terms of is time spent with you worth say $500, but rather will it be worth $250 more than many great sessions I have had with $250 providers.
If you're looking at two cars, and one has a sticker price of $20,000 and a similar model is priced at $28,000, wouldn't YOU want to know WHY the difference in price?
Whatever YOUR reason, that's o.k.
"Because it's not worth it to me to price myself for less."
"Because I've learned my pricing restricts my clientele to those whom I find more desirable."
"Because I'm a '10' as you can see from looking at my perfectly symmetrical facial features and my surgically enhanced breasts."
Doesn't the buyer have a right to know why you've priced yourself higher? (There MUST be a reason--why feel annoyed when somebody wants to know the reason.)
Agree. Only once did I decline a meeting due a fee I thought was excessive given the circumstances. All I had was a picture...real or fake I don't know. No website, no reviews, just out of college, and statement "new to business". The difference in rate between her and high-end, established escorts I've seen wasn't even close...I think she was looking for a sugar daddy or just 2 or 3 regulars with very deep pockets. I just wasn't in her marketing demographics. But someone must be if she is still in business. And I guess that's the point.
In the end we all gravitate toward those we are most comfortable with.
LOL LOL and .... LOL In my experience .... which I'm very sad to say predates most of your births ... I have almost NEVER seen an equation between the rates a provider charges and the quality of the service.
Let's take a step back, shall we? The providers are, for the most part, business people. Or at least SHOULD be.
If I go into a car dealership and ask the salesman "what makes your crappy car worth what you're asking?" I'd expect him to turn on his heels and walk away. But if I ask "what makes this car worth $75,000?" I expect the businessman to make his case for why his product is better than someone else's for less money ... and he felt insulted and told me that the car is worth a million times more than he's charging .... *I* would turn on my heel and walk out. I don't care how good the car is ... there's a difference between a healthy belief in one's own product... and a wildly inflated ego that ends up advertising the fact that he looks down on his customers.
A) If you think you're too good for me ... you almost certainly aren't ... and your inflated Ego will come through during the session.
B) If you want to charge me $300 for a 'get aquainted lunch' prior to allowing me the piviledge of booking an appointment for $900 an hour ... Lady .... flaming monkeys better shoot from your butt ... or SOMETHING I've never even dreamed of in my wildest beer & Pizza induced hallucinations.
C) Of course you have a right to expect and demand respect. But respect is not cowtowing or genuflecting to your pictures, your web site and blindly accepting that because you charge twice the going rate, you give twice the quality of experience. Respect is treating you fairly, honestly and decently. Asking an honest question deserves an honest and well thought out answer, not a flippant "If you have to ask you can't afford me" insult to my intelligence.
The wisest 'provider' (they didn't call themselves that back in her day) that I ever met told me that her whole industry would be out of business in one day if the average American Housewife didn't thing her puss (not the term she used) was made of solid gold. The "I'm the gatekeeper and you .. are just a man" attitude of so many women is what KEEPS you in business. So it stands to reason that if your attitude is "I'm a provider with a solid gold puss and you ... and just a client" is YOUR attitude .. then you're not all that much different, are you?
or is it vinegar, I wonder
When I was 22 .. I had a 22 year old girlfriend. I'm WAY older than that now ... and If I wanted, I could have a 22 y/o girlfriend. It's a double standard .... but hey, I didn't invent it, I just profit from it.
I don't age. I mutate.
Sorry, but if you are charging a rate above the norm, you need to justify that rate in some manner.
Stellar reviews are usually more than enough to justify such charges, but unless these exist, any hobbyst is more than correct to ask why higher rates are charged.
If a provider charging higher rates choses to decline to respond or to have anything to do with the hobbyst asking the question, that is both her option and probably to the hobbyst's advantage.
I'm am sorry if this offends some providers, but there are PLENTY of reasonably priced providers that are absolutely gorgeous, intelligent and a sensual handful at the same time. Unless a provider has some extremely special commodity (dead-ringer for an actress, superior porn star, the ability to make men faint during intercourse, etc.) I can see NOT reason for exhaulted fees.
Sorry, but this is a hobby and not an advocation. Until and unless there is some reason for higher rates, I will find myself frequenting the reasonable providers and spending my excess cash taking them out for entire evenings rather than blowing major capital for 1-2 hours with a questionably higher-quality product.
Just my opinion and I could be wrong, but on this one I sincerely doubt it.
Loarthan
The educated hobbyist is the providers best customer.
Many men on these boards seem to operate from the assumption that all men are exactly the same as they are. There are very good, self-serving reasons why a high-end client wouldn't ever ask this question.
1. Most high end guys make enough $$$$$$$$$ that one visit with even the highest paid lady is an insignificant cost. Finding the best is MUCH more important than finding the best value.
2. If you are looking for a lady to share multi-day visits on a regular basis, best not to start out by nickel and diming her on the first date. Do your due diligence on her reputation, get to know her by phone and email, then take the plunge. If it turns out you don't like her, move on. In my experience, by the time I've scheduled a date, I know I will like her.
3. The biggest reasons why the most expensive girls can charge such high rates have little to do with what they will or won't do in the bedroom. If you don't understand that, then you will never understand why guys would pay "$500/hr for a $300 piece of a$$"
BofP
I won't be participating as much on the boards soon, though I will poke my head in and see what's going on..
This brings to mind something. I entered the business by teaming up with someone my SO/FB person knew from long ago in his past, who was still a Provider. I could clearly see that she was not my type or style, but she had the experience I needed and I had much to learn and it was a starting point. Everybody has to do what they do for whatever reasons and whatever works for them and I asked her about some of her practices - questions, not judgement. One of things I mentioned was that her rates were WAY too low and that maybe she wasn't aware of current market value rates. When I mentioned to her what my rates 'would' be once I had my website and branched on my own, she got very indignant and said, 'oh, so I suppose you think you're worth it!' - you must really think you're something!' Now, that's taking a completely different slant on the topic here..but this woman hadn't worked in the working world for 20 years; had done nothing other than being a Provider, didn't own a TV, or computer, and had very little contact with people in any other circle socially, etc. so she very much had 'blinders' on in more ways than one. I not only told her that yes, my chosen rates would not only be current market value, but that, of course, I felt I was worth it, and felt SHE was, too..
Then I moved on..
When I got my website and teamed up with a young lady who operated her business in exactly the same manner as I wanted to do, I started with the same, fair, rates that she did. After a few months, I felt they were a bit too low (in the multiple hours) and upped them the first of this year. I got all kinds of flack from the guys and ladies alike! Holyshit - you'd have thought I committed the ultimate sin! So, I put them BACK to the way they were last year..
And, now, once again, I've made a change, but only to make it easier, more across the board, and I think these rates are fair whether we're in a recession or not, and they are pretty much geographic-friendly. Now, the interesting thing is, I have clients tell me I've undersold myself! I'm too LOW - but I'm keeping them where they are and this will also leave the gents room to participate more freely by either being a repeat, a regular, and even room to 'tip', should he feel the desire to do so (certainly not required nor expected). I'm making this last sentence more of an 'in general' statement, not so much for Sedona..
As far as 'WORTH' - how could anybody put a price on it? How many of you out there, ladies or gentlemen, feel that your boss is paying you what you're WORTH? Most of you would feel not - and even if you had to agree that you are indeed being paid market value for your position, you'd still feel that you're not being paid what you're worth..
The only providers I have seen personally whose prices are above the 'norm' are Providers who feel that this will attract a certain clientele while weeding out the ones they don't want. I'd be interested in knowing how this theory is working for them. I'd don't necessarily agree with that tactic, but i feel to each, their own..
I'm dissapointed to read that you will not be posting on this board as much.Your museings are always intertaining and informative.You'll be missed!fafa
I think it's a fair question IF asked a different way. It's one thing to say "are you worth it?" and quite another to say "your rate is well above the market, what is it about your service that makes it worth it?"
To quote a previous post, let's just suppose guys really liked flaming monkeys. (and really, who doesn't?) Rest assured that if a provider knew how to make flaming monkeys shoot out of her ass, she would be sure to tell you. In a competitive market, you better believe that the seller who delivers more value welcomes the question "what makes you worth it" and the seller who delivers less value dreads it.
(I'm a marketing guy, so bear with me...) In general, the higher-priced alternative in any marketplace has a refined, well thought out value proposition that they can elocute in just one or two sentences... An elevator pitch, if you will. They can tell you without hesitation exactly why they're worth more, and their confidence in telling you why often wins the deal.
If they can't describe their value quickly and comfortably, it typically means that they don't understand the market space they're in well enough to describe their value. You have to know what customers want, and you have to know where you are in relation to competitors, to be able to define your value to the customer. Since there usually isn't ANY value differentiation between the high-price and moderate-price provider, and it's just a matter of charging what the market will bear, the only option they have left is to act offended by the question and storm off.
But trust me, anybody in any market who knows they really are better welcomes the question.
Well Said Omega! I was interested in the previous post that stated that she keeps her rates above market in order to filter out the ... well ... riff raff.
Us riff raff (and don't fuck with us - we're unionized and almost as powerful as the Teamsters) come in all income levels and from all across the social strata and you're not going to filter us out by charging more. You're more likely to filter us out by using common sense and having good taste.
So where does that leave us? If you use your rates to filter out us riff raff and you're insulted by anyone with the intelligence to ask why ... that leaves you limiting yourself to the pool of people willing to pay more and not expecting more. The pool of people who cheerfully pay more for anything than they could or should.
Doesn't your day get boring - seeing no one but politicians and dentists?
Never quibble it's not polite. Never ask for a discount. But...that being said here's what some of the enterprising providers do to keep you cumming back. First,they show their interest in developing a longer term relationship in several ways A. by spending a little more time than scheduled. B. By being thoughful and complimentary during or after the session. I.e., '...you're handsome, cute, clean, smell good, just right, a good lover' to mention a few. C. After a few visits they may invite us to dinner or lunch before or after a session (no charge). D. They let us know that they enjoy their time with us in many subtile ways. ...price is never discussed unless the provider brings it up. Some providers will initiate sex and say this is a freebie. It's kind of like frequent flier miles. Good customers get perqs! And we reciprocate by being good to our providers. I love all the women I see and a few of them love seeing me.
My 2 cents.
Cergio
of guys with more money than is really good for them who get a thrill simply from paying more than the (slightly above) average Joe can manage. As with any other kind of demand, someone will offer a supply to fulfill it.
So there's an economic space for providers whose main appeal is the fact that they charge more. A lack of candidness about this on their part is completely understandable.
Here's another way of looking at it. If she is getting many more requests than she has time for, then she raises her rates until her demand and "supply" are equal. This is simple market based pricing in a market with an elastic demand curve. Maybe the provider only wants to work 3 days a week and has enough calls to fill a full work week at $200. So she raises her rates to $300 and she fills up her dance card without turning away customers. This doesn't mean she has a value added proposition - provider services are intrinsically differentiated, unlike automobiles, because each provider is unique, so the demand ought to be somewhat elastic. The correct answer to the obnoxious question is "thats what my time (work, service..) is worth to me.."