Any chance it really was a review for a different provider. I've noticed a number of reviews where it seems the guy wanted to post his review, but 1) couldn't find a recent ad to link to, so dropped it on a girl with the same name in the same town, or 2) he found a profile with the same ad agency and parked it there (but I've only seen this where they use her correct name in the review, surrounded by ads for the rightful owner).
I think TER may be responsible this, sometimes. However, from my limited experience with TER, they are exceptional about finding an current ad for a girl when the URL for her TER profile goes bad, which happened in abundance recently here in DC.
Has anyone else had issues with reviews not about them? This has happened to me twice now, the first time the gentleman said he got the wrong girl, and this second time I was not even in the city. Is there a way to assure that the review is actually about that provider before it posts? It’s very hard to get reviews removed even when you have proof it is in accurate
saw the reviewer, and that the review is fake (if you are referring to the March review with lower scores that what you usually get, then I would agree it's has all of the hallmarks of a fake, but only you know for sure), if TER agrees that the review is suspicious, they may ask the reviewer to show his email or text message exchange with you to prove he saw you. If he can't prove he made the appointment, then there is a good chance they will take it down, but if he has documentation that he did make the appointment, it will most likely stay up.
There is no way to do anything pre-emptively to prevent a review from being posted. TER policy is to welcome all legitimate reviews, but you do have redress to challenge it as I just described. Go to the subject review, and on the left-hand margin, click "Report a Problem". A box will open on the screen for you to submit your report. Good luck.
First of all I do not by the fact that the guy had the wrong provider .
He will not admit it is a fake because it will get him banned.
Also think TER should start putting more of the burden of proof on the client that a meeting did happen rather then the provider prove it did not.
100% agree. I forgot how many times I've been asked by both indies and agencies to write TER reviews for discounts.
Never done it myself but I'm sure there are enough of those who did.
I'm curious about your comment. I have received a break for a review from a few providers but you speak like it's a bad thing..
If I see a woman and have great time and review her with a glowing review, I have just in fact helped many people, me first, and the provider for attracting business, and all the clients that may be attracted to her by a good review.
Now if I see someone and it sucks and they say they will give me a discount next if I write her a good review. I'd just walk out the door and never think of her again. And most likely write a bad review.
It's called common sense, which from the little bit I read on these boards is a rare at best.
Not a fake review. A real review which I'd only do if I liked the woman. I was offered a discount to see her by her booker since she was new. I had a great time and wrote a great review. It's rare. I hope that clears up you question and my comment wasn't to the provider but to the egg head that wrote the comment above me
I don't get your comment here. Are you saying you were asked to write fake reviews or just offered a discount later if you wrote a review?
I don't really see that the latter is necessarily related to the OP here about a claimed fake review.
A review I had written for a provider years ago was disputed and TER asked me to present proof that an appointment actually took place, where I submitted a screenshot of an okay I was given by this provider on P411. I too sometimes feel like proof of an actual appointment should be presented when a review is submitted as it would cut down on the fake reviews; however, it would leave an aweful paper trail of evidence behind should LE come calling.
You can also generally tell when a fake review is written by a man vs a woman. I was just reading the latest review for Mia Kaiser TER ID: 346254 and it reads like a romance novel. Women that write reviews tend to focus more on the provider's personality/attitude, whereas guys focus more on explicit sex acts.
I support the poster and the Old Rangers thoughts. Fake reviews are a cancer for the entire hobby world. If they continue it will make TER post less valuable. We all have learned from recent government actions. More Lies = Less trust. Lies and fake statements spew from the government daily. Its to the point that most Americans don't believe anything the government says !
be done to prevent such events. We all would like all reviews to be honest and factual. But short of you, the provider, putting you're schedule up with TER (and I'm sure they don't want it) regarding where you are working during what dates I don't think they have any ability to really police this issue. You might consider paying a fee to them to do that research prior to approving and posting the review but then the delay will be longer and I don't think providers really want to pay. Nor does TER really want to get into promoting and facilitating the activity.
So it really is up to the community to self-police. So OP should be reporting this to TER with her supporting evidence to have the review removed. You can post here and call the review out -- then people can look into who submitted it.
I'm sure TER tracks this type of thing so they can then ban account that seem to be abusive.
I hate to say it bub, but I think you're way off here. I just had an experience PMing TER about review removals, and it's not even close to what you describe. It's clear as mud.
https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/i-have-notice-two-profiles-that-have-had-negative-reviews-removed-1009636?#1009636:
In one case, it was at least two low score reviews that were removed. In the latest case, and even though I thought the the 3 he gave her was inappropriate (more of a 4 or 5), the fact was: he was not well served and he politely told us so. It seemed like a sincere review and he was as dismayed as anyone that a girl with such good marks could fail so badly. (I'm personally glad it's gone because she's one of my favorites.)
Where'd his review go?? Can I get one of my already active reviews deleted? Who has this power?
I hope you can see that this is not controversy for the sake of controversy. How do we have girls (there's three more in current discussion threads) who can't get fake and wrong reviews removed, yet reviews that would be helpful to the community are deleted by TER?
In another recent case, the girl is mentally unstable, and we should be appropriately warned. Do K-girl agencies have the power to get bad reviews removed for their girls?!?
And there's an irony here, too. I had just moments ago, in another thread, mentioned a hooker who complained to me that she couldn't get TER to remove a review that was for a different girl. It was a good review, a 9/8 or 9/9 IIRC, but it was the principle that mattered. To make it an open and shut case, the misplaced review included the other girl's name throughout. According to her, after many attempts with TER and the reviewer (who replied that he put it in the correct girl's profile, but now that profile is deleted!!) TER wouldn't remove it from her profile.
I included that quoted text in sympathy with your difficulty in understanding how TER handles these things. Somebody pointed out that the first paragraph of the quoted text, the one that starts with, "In one case," is horribly written and makes the rest unreadable. I can't disagree. If you will, the intent was:
In the past four days, I've noticed two agency-girls' profiles that had negative reviews deleted by TER. In the first case, the girls lowest two scores were deleted from her profile. When I read them, they were among only three or four *total* reviews for her... so it WAS NOT a good look for her. As it turns out, the girl is nuts, those now deleted negative reviews said so, but now nobody is forewarned.
In the other profile, also an agency girl, she got a review that stood out because it was a 3 among 7s, 8s, and 9s. At the time I noticed it, she had 31 reviews. Later I noticed she had only 30 reviews, so I looked inside. Sure enough, the '3' review had been deleted! So I wrote to TER about it. Sometime later, after I had sent my observations to TER about BOTH of the profiles with missing bad reviews, I noticed she had 31 reviews again -- the negative review had been restored. What about the two bad reviews for crazy lady, you ask? They're still disappeared; not restored.
I hope this rewrite helps.
EDIT: And now it appears that I've been knocked back into Monitoring Purgatory, where contributing to thread becomes mostly unsatisfying. Oh well, this too shall pass... I guess.
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I hate to break it to you, bub... On the surface, it seems like this should be a simple matter to resolve: "You have receipts? OK, let's get those bogus reviews removed."
Instead, as I've found out over the pas three days, there may be some questions you don't want to ask. I started a thread (link below) about disappearing negative reviews from a couple of profiles that I follow. There's denial aplenty, but in the face of receipts, babkas.
Receipts? Just how does TER verify the receipt provided? Just as easy to make a fake receipt as it is a fake review. How much private information do you think either party here will be willing to provide to prove their point.
What the situation is is one of asymmetric information and TER is not the omniscient oracle that can dish out perfect justice. They can only take what someone will provide, try to do a little "fact" checking if they can and make the best call they can. Hardly a simple show your document and case closed.
Given your response I'll have to conclude you just have not been around for the years of threads like this one with both providers and mongers adding their thoughts, and updates on results at time.
Why didn't you just stop here: "Receipts? Just how does TER verify the receipt provided?" Instead, you had to go on and alienate people. smh.
No, I haven't seen other similar threads... here. Elsewhere? Of course. But the uniqueness of this one is that she says she has receipts. She didn't offer to US what they comprise, but if they're anything like the receipts I sent TER recently, they verify themselves Without PII. It's the app where the receipt resides that makes it solid proof. If need be, people can easily redact unwanted PII and still preserve the verifiability of the receipt. The limit is your imagination.
You can use the search function if you like. Pointing out someone's lack of familiarity with the subject they are going on about (in multiple threads) should not be considered alienating someone.
Why do you think providing some receipt is going to prove anything -- particularly if the PII is removed? Having a receipt that shows, assuming it is actually real, someone paid for a room at some hotel at during some time period proves nothing about who was there (without the PII) or who else might have been there. I'm sure TER might consider that as some information in their decision but it is hardly proof of anything. TER basically is dealing with deciding if the circumstantial information anyone wants to provide is sufficient to convince them to take some requested action.
OK, I'm game, humor me: What language do you suggest I use in my search. Type one up for me, please.
See Seinfeld:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i78azsi7M94
What you meant is "bubkes." It means "nothing" or "beans." It's short for the Yiddish word for goat turds which resemble...beans:
Seeking a small clarification: babkas or bupkis ?
Bupkis (also Bupkes, Bupkus, Bubkis, Bubkes): Emphatically nothing, as in 'He isn't worth bupkis' (באָבקעס, bobkes; of uncertain origin (OED); perhaps originally meaning '[goat] droppings', from a word meaning 'beans', of Slavic origin)
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Babkas:
You won't believe this, but I think I originally had "bubkis." I wasn't sure, so I googled it. I obviously didn't look closely enough at the results or I wouldn't have changed it to bubkas 😳
And my apologies to foodies everywhere.
That's being a mensch.
And my apologies to foodies everywhere.
he prefers "Bupkis."
Zayn Gezunt.
No digression here 😂
Any chance it really was a review for a different provider. I've noticed a number of reviews where it seems the guy wanted to post his review, but 1) couldn't find a recent ad to link to, so dropped it on a girl with the same name in the same town, or 2) he found a profile with the same ad agency and parked it there (but I've only seen this where they use her correct name in the review, surrounded by ads for the rightful owner).
I think TER may be responsible this, sometimes. However, from my limited experience with TER, they are exceptional about finding an current ad for a girl when the URL for her TER profile goes bad, which happened in abundance recently here in DC.
You beat me to it. I often post that guys make mistakes as you describe. Sometimes it's laziness to find the correct Profile or to create a new Profile so they pick someone close. Sometimes it's just a genuine mistake. Each case (and Reviewer) is different but the path of least resistance might be to begin with, "Are you sure you submitted your review to the correct Profile?" Possible replies: "Oops. My bad. It was [correct Profile]." "You callin' me a liar??" "Yes, I'm sure. We met on the 28th floor of the Fancy Schmancy Hotel." Etc..
Any chance it really was a review for a different provider. I've noticed a number of reviews where it seems the guy wanted to post his review, but 1) couldn't find a recent ad to link to, so dropped it on a girl with the same name in the same town, or 2) he found a profile with the same ad agency and parked it there (but I've only seen this where they use her correct name in the review, surrounded by ads for the rightful owner).
I think TER may be responsible this, sometimes. However, from my limited experience with TER, they are exceptional about finding an current ad for a girl when the URL for her TER profile goes bad, which happened in abundance recently here in DC.
To be more accurate, she would need to say, " "Are you sure you submitted your review to the correct Profile, I wasn't in DC in March?"
I obviously have now looked at her reviews and, using the logic that she's complaining about the lone low score of late. He could just have been submitting a review for a tryst that happened a while ago, probably even prior to the TER cutoff date. He just picked the wrong month. LMAO. God, that is funny.
I think many guys deliberately will put another month, especially if provider is low volume, in order to be less identifiable. Especially if it's not a glowing review. Or simply they want to not be identified by the date and details of the review.
In the eye of the reader who consumes the reviews, there is little difference between the reviewer seeing a provider in February or May. Well, unless provider has undergone some drastic changes or whatever.
that the drop-down defaults to the current month and year. In January 2024, there will be new reviews that will say "December, 2024" because the reviewer affirmatively changed the month he is writing the review from January to December, but fails to roll the year back as well.
I saw some text threads of a gal who received one of these bogus reviews and the person demanded thousands of dollars to remove the review. The same person wrote reviews of 2 other gals in NYC. I hope TER believes the providers and removes the bogus reviews because she has the texts demanding she pay money.
Good Evening Everyone
I got fake review this morning by Sampatel00 .
He also post fake review on Laura Lisa
and Aurelie Grifft .
Immediately I contacted to TER Support.
And also send him messages in his TER account remove my fake review.
Shortly he text me and threatening me ask Me $4k send his PayPal account in 3 days otherwise he will post another one worst than this one . I took screen shot of that text messages and send it TER support this morning. I haven’t heard anything from TER support yet. ...
Same guy same number and email he also ask $4k to Laura Luisa to remove her fake reviews. She took screen shoots of all his threatening messages send to TER Support as well .
He Also ask $15k to Aurelie Griffith demanding this money 2 weeks otherwise he will post another worse review and reveal her real info in internet . She also reported him to TER Support .
So far we haven’t get any response from TER Support .
We are top rated 3 girls are getting blackmailing by him .
He uses TER Platform and asking money for removing his fake reviews.
What do you think guys about this case ?
Asking money for 3 girls removing fake reviews?
Is it acceptable ?
Warm Regards
Natasha
Make sure to follow Big Poppy’s advice below. Use Report Feedback, not Problem Report function.
You absolutely must follow up with us on this one.
Far, far less worrisome, but a problem nonetheless: I saw a girl who asked me how to remove a review in her profile for the girl who was here just before her. The reviewer in that case used the other girl's name throughout. I wasn't a member, but I asked if she had gone to the support section and explained the problem. IIRC, she said the review she wanted removed was a 9/9. It wasn't the score, it was the principle.
Turns out she had gone though the wringer with the guy (who said his hands were tied), but mostly TER, who would do nothing. It's so obvious and it's probably there to this day. I mean, we're talking about a girl who has monumentally large breasts, so much so that they are prominent in her screenname. and the misplaced review is for a girl with, I think, MM C cups. I read the review's General section, and it was good. It just was obviously for the other girl, who she said went to Philly. GOOD LUCK.
First of all, if you go to the "subject review," "Report A Problem" is NOT in the "left-hand margin." It is in a green box in the upper right hand side of the page. Nevertheless, do NOT use the "Report A Problem" function. This is what it says when you open the "Report A Problem" box:
"The Problem Report system is designed for quick, easy updates to profiles. For more complex issues, especially those that might require correspondence back from our Support team, please submit a Feedback. You can submit a Feedback by clicking on the Contact Us at the bottom of most pages.
Examples of when to submit a Problem Report: website not loading or incorrect, incorrect phone number, a change in the provider's appearance or services offered, a review posted to the wrong profile, a provider has two profiles that need to be combined, a review is posted with a score that exceeds the provider's score maximum.
Examples of when to send in a Feedback: reporting a fake or fraudulent review, requesting an entire profile removed from TER, questions about VIP access, questions about why your review has not posted, any inquiry that requires a response"
It's obvious to anyone who's actually done a Problem Report that Problem Reports are for SIMPLE issues. Your issue requires you to submit a "Feedback" to TER Admin. To do this, click "Contact Us" at the bottom right of most pages.
I agree we should not have to keep defending ourselves. I think that if a guy puts up a review and the lady says hay, I did not see this guy then the guy should need to send in proof that they infact met. If the number or email dose not match any previous numbers or emails that the lady or they cannot provide the texts or call records or PM from here or other sites, then the review should be removed.
I also think that ladies should be able to have negative reviews removed if they reviewer wrote them because thy lady refused to do services that they do not offer. Like especially if the lady says in all her advertisements that she dose not do them and he books anyway sees you and then gets mad because you won't do them so he writes a bad review. I just think that is wrong, especially when that persons writes bad reviews on all the ladies he sees that don't offer what he wants sees them anyway and when he cant get what he wants he writes a bad review that is just not fair that us a providers have to prove over and over that we are telling the truth, They need to hold the men, -not calling them gentlemen because a gentlemen would not- accountable for how the act (like toddlers when they can't get their way).
But again, it's just a thought.
in that fake reviews are a real problem.
I like the concept of making guys prove their reviews before posting, but not sure how that might be accomplished.
If you follow the advice given in this thread, it should make it easier to get a fake review removed, albeit it does take a lot of time for the system to work and the fake to actually come down. That can be frustrating!
I am for TER cracking down on fake reviews and banning the ones who post them a bit more liberally.
Or at a minimum require gents who aren’t paid members to prove or validate their reviews for some period of time (maybe until they have 30 approved reviews).
Look, there are countless fake reviews here. It's a given. Because I can assure you that at least half of the "Regulars" on this site write fake reviews for VIP status so they can post comments and read reviews, like Penthouse letters, and also because many of them probably live in their mother's garage, or a dirty studio apartment in awful neighborhood and have no community in the real world
It always amazes how much time some people spend here, I'd say a normal monger might take a look once or twice a month. What kind of life must you have if you read and comment many many times to posts, and in the case of one "older" provider, posts daily. And how I wonder does that international business man CDL have the time to live on this site? Or is he often sitting in a board meeting in LA, NY, Rome, or London posting comments on his laptop while his underlings are updating him on his worldly affairs. Plus where does he find the time to become an expert on all and every subject under the sun. Heehee, xoxo CDL
I will also ad that the majority of providers that live on the boards always seem to be of the middle age/MILFs or IMO
MI (would not) LF, looking at you MissKitty, although that $15 car session sounds HOT!!!
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Because I require a deposit to book it’s easy to verify the reviews are fake.
argument for taking a deposit. It protects you from fake reviews. I never thought of it from that angle.
I don't quite see how that would work. I mean, how would it prove to TER that a review (that YOU know is fake regardless of a deposit) is fake?
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Guy pays deposit; sees you; writes a bad review because of any dumb reason: "she slept for the first 50 minutes and left early" -- none of it true but you remind him of an ex-GF; you can dispute the review but there was a deposit.
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Guy doesn't pay deposit; has never even been to SoCal or other places you work; wants free VIP; writes a fake review from his parents' basement in North Dakota claiming he met you in SoCal. How do you prove that there was no deposit therefore it must be a fake review?
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And other variations.
Because I require a deposit to book it’s easy to verify the reviews are fake.
Yeah, I'm not following that logic either.
I have had this happen a few times on here and also some other review boards. The reviews were not bad, but if anyone has ever seen me they know I have a very specific way of doing things and the session did not really sound like me or what I would have said or have done during the session. Not sure if I would call them fake, but adding white lies to them? Also some gents use a different email, twitter, TER, and P411 handle so it is not always easy to remember who is who. But yes, it would be nice if they could send us the info (like on p411 for an OK) with more specifics about the reviewer so we would have an easier time knowing if you really saw the gent in question.