I see a massage provider who's ad says "No FS don't ask"

Maybe you should use that logic to your own advantage. Tell her you can't stand it anymore, and that as much as you want her, you are going to simply "move on" if you can't have her?

One thing about "bluffing" though, as any gambler can tell you, she may call you on your bluff, but that's what I would do rather than being strung along with a tacit promise of "more" someday.

Wow you sound like a real piece of shit.

Being tempted and acting on that temptation are two very different things. I have seen some fifteen year olds that have literally made my jaw drop, that doesn't make me  pedophile, ACTING on it would make me a pedophile. The same with him, as long as he doesn't act on his urges, wanting to put it in bareback only makes him human.

Most likely she knows that she is driving him crazy and will continue to do so as long as it works.

The only reason you think it will be the best sex ever is because you arent getting it.  She knows she is not the one holding out, you are with your wallet.  You act like shes your soon to be girlfriend. But really its your uncle Ben that shes interested in.  Its all about price and if you got it then you'll get it.

But I think OP is a BIG boundary pusher and will continue to push hers.

I'm betting his next move will be the ole, "how about I just put the tip in"?

to me he sounds like he's on the edge. Just because she allowed a bit of rimming on her, he's already made the leap to thinking she's LOVE to take it up the ass. some peeps have a hard time keeping their fantasies just that, a fantasy. To me he sounds like he's unable to do so.

Steph

Nope. This prick sounds like he's a half step away from acting on it. Your clueless to not want to see it

I can't recall ever receiving it because I don't like by butthole feeling wet. I think I might enjoy it, but I certainly wouldn't want a dick in my ass, so I see what you are saying there. Yes, his post was written from the perspective of a boundary pusher. Now I would say he has to ask if he's ever to get what he wants.

What are all of the details to all of your credit cards.
You don't want to give them to me?
Hmm..
Let me ask again .. I can see if in your eyes, I know you're kinda curious what would happen if a stranger had access to all of your credit cards.
So..  
Ready now?

I had a great little massage gal who just recently retired. Mid 20's smokin' body, great face and attitude. Over two years we worked our way to all kinds of 'upgrades' such as cumming on her ass, her face, some dfk etc. A little cash here and there helped out with this process. That said, on several occasions when I brought up FS, I could get away with it as often as I'd seen her, she would demur. I told her price was no obstacle. She never went for it. Ever. There are exceptions to every rule and she was one. Can't wait until she comes back.

Sound familiar?

SMH at him.

Steph

Enjoy what she offers. Dream of more, fine but never ever push. No means no, respect that. Every lady sets their boundaries based on their comfort levels and goals. Repeat them and thus the lady giving you pleasure. Don't push or manipulate her to expand her menu. That can make her jaded and hating her profession. It can land you on the "never again will I see that loser" list or even blacklisted. Don't be that lose that pushes and thus disrespects the ladies. Show respect for her and her boundaries and she may start to feel comfortable with you and open up her boundaries or not.

But you know as well as I do that in this world, for the the vast majority of situations, cash is king.

Respecting the word no.

Of course no always means no. I'm not one of those guys that uses cash as the force for a rape, although there are plenty of dudes here that do and plenty of ladies here that allow and even thrive on that practice.

Asking the Home Depot guy who just installed your new door if he will fix your toilet off the clock for some cash as opposed to asking over and over again if a lady will let you have sex with her for some cash. Huge difference. And that is what the OP, who already stated that he has thought about putting it inside her raw, asked.

To me these aren't questions.  They're statements by someone who wants to lure someone into their own fantasy.

Several sessions that have progressed about as far as it can go.  She is doing everything but FS.  He exercised restraint and only thought about sliding it in her while she stripper slides him.  (I've always liked the term Banana Boat for that).  What else would he be thinking about at that point?    He showed restraint by not doing it in the face of that temptation.  He came here for suggestions on how to get to that last step of her consenting to FS.  Nobody is raping anybody in this scenario.

eventually she let me know that extras were available.  It sounds like she's offered you extras...  to the limit she's comfortable with.  Enjoy it or walk away.  Don't you be the one to push her limit.  She knows you are interested...  leave it be.  

Almost all of his reviews indicate wanting bbfs, he even says he can't use a condom as he dies. Add that on to him wanting to pay for things he was told no several times (by his own acct on the reviews).... geez. Common sense tells you you booked for massage and that is what you get. Asking is one thing but keeping it up after she says no.... Oh wait, then he says in one review "I know she doesn't want to do beyond massage, but I am buying her an outfit for BDSM for our next visit".

You deserve some cupcakes. I wish I could fedex some to you.
Seriously guys. For anyone thinking how the OP is approaching this is right, it's not.

Yes, I think I even said that. My point was sadly I found the one gem who wouldn't completely bend. And I didn't force it so I continued to enjoy the pleasure of her talents. I miss her.

an amazing chip on their shoulder over something no?

I'm old fashioned I guess.  I've always followed the paradigm that a gentleman always asks and always takes no for an answer.  A sophistcated woman knows there is no harm in asking.  I guess the new paradigm is men are all assholes and women are annoyed.

Casino chips on my thigh.

He clearly thinks he knows what a lady wants when she had told him no. More than once.
I never mentioned the word rape, so please do not put words in my mouth.
If he did do it, it would be another story.
The mere fact that he thinks about it, she says no, and he's here asking his homies how he can still make it happen because he knows she wants it makes him a narcissist.

I can't see how guys get any pleasure out of pushing a girl to do what she's not comfortable with.  Do providers ever plead with guys to skip BCD and just pay them for the session?  Or come to her apartment and help her paint a wall during his day off work?  It seems like guys are too often trying to get something from girls that they don't want to give (extra services, extra time, no condom, OTC dinner, phone sex...)  

I already said what I thought about the situation.  She is ambitious and is reeling this idiot in.  You interpret it otherwise and believe that the lady in question is being coerced.  Sure doesn't sound like it to me.  Sounds like "no" has become "yes" on several occasions over time on her own volition.  She's never asked him to leave, and please don't bring up this "she's desperate" bull shit.  We don't know what her circumstances are.  You think this moron is the only guy she's doing this with?

as I was contemplating seeing her.

Maybe you can't read.
Ask once, cool.
Keep pushing it?
Not cool.

Do you think it's ok that after you ask if I do something and I said no to continue to ask??

-- Modified on 4/11/2015 8:01:44 PM

And a group of Larry, Curly and Moe are sitting here saying that she is baiting him in.
Us women don't want the addicts and abused the be the ones that portray who we are like TV tries to.
You wonder why they portray the typical "John" as a dickhead.. you wonder.

as I clearly stated the first time I posted to this thread.  

Not quite sure who you're referring to but you've clearly opened more than a few eyes here today. Good night indeed and good luck.

Because I'm in Maryland? Or more specifically conversing with you? I know who you are and where you live?
Pure comedy this is.
Anywhooo.. I just got home. So, I'm sure you will carry on just wonderfully my input here.
Have fun!

that you were one of my "fans". The way you started responding to the majority of my posts. I was going to book, just to make sure you were not. I figured if you had been in town, posting here you had nothing else to do, so why not see for myself.  

No reason to get upset and insulting because  we disagree about what a totally irrelevant situation between strangers is all about.

Maybe we could all say to our next visitor, "it looks like you don't want a blowjob today ...I can see it in your eyes." and see what happens.

You just dropped into douche bag territory a-hole with this "forcing" her.  
   
Leave her alone and let her do what she feels comfortable with. You are the kind of guy most of us despise who plan ways to force and trick into doing things she may not want to. If she wanted to suck your cock, she would, if she wanted it in her ass, she would...seeing as she has not yet, she is NOT READY to go there.  

She has successfully turned away three guys she feels are pigs and would rather get poked in the eye with a sharp stick than see. And others that find her hobbyist unfriendly need not apply either. Some of you guys think some hookers have no clue what they are doing by posting things that rankle sensibilities on here. They know darn well what they are doing...sometimes on purpose.

If a hooker says something they don't like ...a hooker no less, that they will never even see?

With her, provided she was in town. Just a simple inquiry on my part, no harm no foul. She wasn't in town, it is what it is.

I don't usually get involved on GD threads.
Way too many personas that some/mosttimes have nothing else to do with their day and no one else who will listen to them.

Like I said about.
Nothing else to do with their day and no one else who will listen to them.
xx

If you actually read what I said, I was actually agreeing with Alyssa about the consent issue.  We disagreed over who was playing who in the OP's scenario and she got exceedingly annoyed that I wasn't changing my opinion that the guy was getting played by an age old stripper/FBSM provider ploy.  No hard feelings here.  I'm probably one of the nicest guys she'll never meet.  I suspect she won't be meeting a lot of other nice guys who are TER members and who read her tirades here.

and checking with her about her availability. Apparently, I should know where in the world she is on any given day.

Please. In my years of being an escort and being active on TER I raaaaaarely get involved in GD board nonsense.
I see plenty of wonderful guys from TER and other escort boards, just click on my reviews.
I doubt even 5% of them bother reading the gd board either.
Most of the awesome nice guys rarely, if ever, post or read any of this.
 

My point is that the provider is playing him for more cash.  She asking for more cash in a subtle and widely played game.  I get that we disagree.  No reason to get so ugly about it.  

That some tricks pitch a fit over what a hooker say if it ids not trick friendlys...nothing more, nothing less.

Best thing you can do here is go as far away from this girl as you can.  Anytime you use the words "I know she wants it even though she says no" and "while forcing her onto me" you are over the line into rapist-in-a-matter-of-time.

I have a better solution...and it costs about 25 cents.