i'll tell you what chaps my balls. after all the preliminary bullshit, and having made my choice, the whore hits me with a list of extras. her other reviewers gave her high marks and mentioned nothing about extras. are you fucking manginas so wrapped up into finding a full time dick sucker that you'll say whatever it takes to acheive that? thats what chaps my balls. what chaps yours?

Guys who are so utterly ignorant, they don't expect to pay extra when they talk and act like a member of  Bravehearts clan, or Mel Gibson.
Also guys who had issues with their mothers, who take it out on all females.
That chaps my balls.

Whats the problem with literbike?? LOL You don't like ladies smarter than you??? Granted she is not my type, mainly because I get the drift she might think I won't be happy, if she doesn't cum and I have other shortfalls she might see.Other than that my wager sees her as  articulate, intelligent  and most likely very well suited to many hobbyists and a good contributor to the boards..lol even when we disagree.

I'd rather deal with the problem myself.

and does not compromise her values in conducting her escort business.

    If she can be successful in her business doing it her way, she would be crazy to change. And you left out what seems to be most important conclusion that we can draw from her posts - she is honest and brutally so.

I thought she merely had a security camera as many places do. If she is filming the actual encounter between the sheets, that would be a totally different matter.

You.

I talked about this with a provider before. she said that the first time she talks to someone on the phone she dosent like to discuss prices because it is incriminating to talk about money on the phone.
she also said its best to just go for the shortest session when you first meet because you might not hit it off. next time you should meet her first and then talk about what she is comfortable with and the prices. next time you see her you know what to expect. dont feel discouraged though, most girls ask for extra for fetishes and greek also.

Lets see, First she has admitted to filming her clients as the enter her incall without there permission or knowledge. Second, she seems extremely judgmental of her clients. Here is an example, dislikes well endowed me, fat men and  men who want her to enjoy herself and come. Third, she feels there is no reason make it up to clients if she NCNS. Our time is valuable too. Fourth, she is hypocritical in that she hates reviews but requires references from her clients. It is a two way street you know and her reviews are to her clients as her clients references are to her. I really don't think she likes her chosen profession or her clients based on her post. She might not even like men. I would not want to be her client nor would she like me as a client. I want to see ladies that like there chosen career and try to find the best parts of there clients that are clean and respectful. And from her posts I really don't think that's literbike. I may be wrong but I doubt it. Providers with that kind of mentality are almost as bad as upsellers. Ladies like her chap my balls too. If I wanted attitude and to be judged I would call up an ex-girlfriend, as it is much cheaper.

I have no problem with her honesty but filming her clients?  That is just scary. Most men have family that would not understand. And seeing escort for sex is a crime on top of that. That alone shows a complete disregard for her clients. I would never film a lady I see in the hobby without her permission. That would rightfully put me on a blacklist real quick. And there is no honesty in not informing her clients of the tape, quite the opposite in fact. Add it to the rest of my list and we get a pattern of disrespect. Respect must go both ways. She does not put up with her clients disrespect, why should they put up with hers. I respect the ladies I see and expect the same in return. Not them secretly taping me and hating me.  And what honesty is there in having two TER accounts, one to attract clients and one to bash them. It's worse than hiding behind an alias. Yes, I have used an alias but only to protect someone else. I use my only TER name for that unlike her. I don't like disrespectful people and that is what she is. Maybe she would care to defend herself and prove me wrong.

Where are you finding upsell ladies anyway? BP, CL?

I've never had that happen to me.

She reminds me of me. Doesn't take any shit. Wonder if she wants to fuck?

I am sure there are many hobbyist that have "secretly" video taped providers coming and going from their homes.

As long as neither party commits any crimes against the other, what's the harm? It's a simple video of someone entering and/or leaving an apartment. Not exactly blackmail material, and it does give a record of who was last to see her if she turn up dead.

Unless you beat, stab, rob or shoot her, just what can she really do with the tape?

Let's face it 1984 is already here, security cameras are a reality of the 21 century, every one of us is routinely taped dozens of times a day. Unless you want to move out to the boondocks and stay there, you better get used to it.

Now he won't even be able to enjoy the countryside in peace. lol

A review is just that---a review of your session with a provider. You categorize her looks by a (silly) numbering system. Then you provide a run down of activities; you got a BJ, then you did doggie, then you gave her 12 orgasms. You liked it or didn’t. You recommend her, or you don’t…..whatever....


Lots of providers are uncomfortable with reviews. I suspect even some who recognize the pragmatic/business value of them, aren’t all that crazy about the detailed minutia of sessions being publicized.

A referral (reference) is where provider asks you for information that makes her comfortable enough to let some guy she has never met, BCD. Starting with your real name (not a board handle associated with your reviews).

Every provider seems to have her own method (up to and including, not screening at all). But, this is partly about making sure you’re not hangin’ with the boys in blue. Partly to get an idea what kind of guy you are (do you wash your ass? Are you polite? Do you push boundaries?). And, partly to make sure that if you happen to be a violent nutball, and hurt her in some way, that someone has a chance of figuring out who you are after the fact.

Two completely different coins.

You can look at a providers website, read her reviews, backchannel. You have a lot of info to go on before you ever decide to contact her in the first place—including that she is not LE, that she is not a ROB, that she ‘is what she says she is”, and does what she advertises she will do.

And when she gets your email/phone call to schedule some time, SHE....

knows absolutely nothing about you. If you tell her your board handle is Scoed and you write  reviews on TER how, exactly, is she supposed to know you’re not really Jack Schitt contacting her saying that *he* is Scoed?

Assuming you really are the one and only completely anonymous “scoed” from TER, what exactly are your reviews supposed to tell her about your profession, cleanliness, manners……or whatever it is that is important for her to know before she agrees to see you?

If it puts such a bug in your ass that a provider would require references and, at the same time discourage reviews, then only see providers with reviews. That’s what this site is about right?

As far as Literbike….she is posting as “anonymously” as anyone else around here so not sure how you would contact her in the first place. But, assuming you could, my bet is she would be just as happy you didn’t….lol…..

glob of headcheese like You has not been banned

You don’t like "Literbike"….lol….. And you don’t want to accidentally contact her under her working name. Personally, I've never picked up on all this 'disrespect' you're seeing, But, Fair enough.

I can only imagine how many providers share your exact sentiment about the asshat who started this thread.

But who knows?…..if you went in not knowing who it was, Literbike’s other persona might rock your world

We have satellites that cover the boondocks, and do it very well.

If I remember correctly she said it was inside her incall in a common area but not the bed room. I have a lot less problem with an outside camera but inside? A lot of men kiss when they greet their date. That my friend is blackmail material. No it is not as damning as the bedroom stuff but try to explain it to your wife if your married and you'll get my drift. While I am mostly blackmail proof most men aren't. Remember prostitution is a crime and LE can use it in court even if she has no use for it. The second thing I do is leave the money in plain view according to the lady's instructions on her website. While I don't know want her instructions are in this area, a film of the drop off can really hurt in a court of law. The film is dangerous if in the wrong hands. I do understand a ladies need to be secure, but she already requires her clients real name and two references. That is more than I usually have when I see a lady for the first time, and is enough for most of the ladies out there. But the filming is only part of of my problem with her. It is her whole attitude towards her clients. She seems to look down on them as a whole. If she NCNS she feels no responsibility to try to make it right. If I did that I would be put on the lady's DNS list and men have been blacklisted for that. She has more than one time bashed her clients behind her “alias” account while she has another account to draw them in. She hates reviews but requires referrals, and my friend, they are the opposite side of the same coin. One protects the hobbyist the other the providers. It is a pattern of disrespect. I have great respect for ladies I have seen, and I expect the same in return. She does not seem to return that respect she requires of her clients. I have no tolerance of disrespect from the ladies I am with and I doubt I am the only one.

Because of recent travel constraints, I am trying Backpage ladies more. I am a Backpage phobe in general because I have to sort through bullshit to find legitimate providers. What I have found in dealing with Backpage ladies is that ladies they charge extra for services that I take for granted from ladies in the $300-$700 range. But most have starting rates that are low, the extra charges for me are no problem. I don't expect a lady to give me her full menu for $200 in the region of the country where I live. I am willing to pay a reasonable amount more to get what I want from her offerings. I don't consider a reasonable request for more funds for more fun an upcharge. Other hobbyists may be in the same situation and forget to mention that they lady charged more for additional menu items.

I use review to make me feel comfortable meeting gal I never met as well. I use reviews as a way to make sure to make sure she is clean, not going to rob me, not LE, willing to hold up her end of the deal, be respectful and what she says she is. I have been robbed by a so called provider. Reviews are one of the many tools I use to protect myself. Not all ladies claiming to be providers are what they claim to be. Some of them are dangerous. I use reviews mush like providers use references. Each hobbyist has their own screening methods. I have no problem with screening I do it and understand the need for them to do it. But it has to work both ways. The risks are very real on both sides. It is the same coin and fills the same role. Just for different sides of the same dance. I would rather have her real name and a reference or two than a stack of reviews as I can learn much more about her that way. Much more then I could ever get from any amount of reviews and too much for most ladies comfort. I again have no problem with being screened as they must stay safe, but so do I. But maybe you right reviews are not as personal as a references can be as a reference is one on one, does allows for back and forth communication and is privet; reviews are public and there is no back and forth communication. But each exist to make sure everyone is safe and gets what they came for.

I visited a Backpage lady that charged $200 for a full menu, without BBBJ. She was engaging and cute so I proposed BBBJ for an extra fee, which she accepted. The extra fee brough me to what I would have paid for a provider who had BBBJ on her menu without extra charge. In a sense, I finished flush.

I had extra charge happen to me with a BP provider. What she was given brought her fee up to about what I your have paid for full service anyway. Knowing that she is legit will cause me to see her again, she provided great service with an upbeat dispo.

It is the same reason some hobbyists are uncomfortable with with references. There is a lot of personal information exchanged that you have no real control over and you are being judged by that information. Yes, I know a review is on a much grander scale than a reference. But at leased the provider can read her reviews, When I give a reference I have only a limited idea what is being said. Both can be uncomfortable but both are necessary in my opinion. By the way providers also have their own "reviews" of a sort for really bad clients, they have blacklist sites they can look us up on to see if we misbehaved in the past.

Very funny. I am very aware of all the cameras pointed at me when I am in a public even those satellites. None of them are secret. They don't bother me. It is different to me when it is a partner in crime, yes prostitution is a crime, films the start of the crime in secret. But maybe I am alone in that thought. Maybe, I am paranoid, but I don't like like anyone, let alone someone I don't really know, having film of me committing a crime. Yes it is a victimless crime and I feel should it should not be a crime. I know it is just a misdemeanor. Yet, it is still a crime just the same. Heck, I guess I am the only one. OK, I guess I am paranoid. Better start making that tin foil hat now. LOL

It is true that when I choose to contact a lady I have done my homework on the lady in question. And I have other means of verification if she has no reviews that will keep me safe. I also get that at time I first contact her she often has no idea who I am. I don't think asking for screening information, to even the playing field, is to much to ask. I freely give real my full name, contact information, work information, TER handle, and references she needs if asked. I will also show my drivers license when we meet if requested. I want her to be comfortable before meaning me. with the information I provide they can find out anything they want about me. I also give them time to look me up. And I only write reviews for those that when I ask say they want one. That one issue is just one piece in a pattern that shows disrespect. It by it self is not an issue. And the problem with litterbike "anonymous" handle is she has a second one I could contact and not know it is her. She uses it to get around our screening. I doubt ether one wants to meet the other as we are so not a match. If I do mistakenly contact her hope she would screen me onto her DNS list. I would not want to see her if she paid me.

There is no crime to meet another adult in a private...NOT public place. NOTHING is filmed that would incriminate me...I'm not that stupid.

And your right, maybe I would like her in person. But I still don't think she would like me given I am way on the heavy side and get as much enjoyment out of pleasing the lady I am with as coming myself. Maybe I see the disrespect more as I fit some of the kind of clients she dislikes. That and I don't like to be filmed when meeting a lady I am paying for sex. I feel that is going way to far. And now I have reread my posts maybe I went to far. I think I may owe her an apology as I have shown the same disrespect to her that I feel she based on some of her post may have shown some of her clients. I am way to argumentative. You may be right and I am picking up on things that may not be there. If so I really do owe her and appology.

what is a mangina ? never heard of it.

OK scoed, hold the damn bus.

1.Yes I do have surveillance for my own safety since many men do not want to give any info other than  "john" name...if anything goes wrong...and I have to call the cops..who do I say I met? And FYI, quite a few ladies have gone this route, I am one of the ones who mentioned it.

2. I dislike large penises because they HURT!! And the time spent with me would be sub par. I have respect for a clients time and money and would rather they go elsewhere for greater satisfaction.

3. This one is a joke..here did I say I don't like fat men? I have said in posts that I not only see them but find them better clients.

4. I have no problem with enjoying myself but find it almost impossible if I get the "I want you to come for me" speech...Too much pressure and sorry but it can have the same effect on men if a provider mentions that during a session.

5. I dislike reviews bit accept them...part of the process. How many gentlemen dislike giving screening info but do in order to see whom they want?

6. I have no problem with this part of my chosen life...been doing for over 10 years on and off.

7. Yes there are some men I dislike. There are also men who dislike some women...that's life...what's your point?

8. How I run my business may not agree with you and I have no problem if you choose to take it somewhere else. As I said in response to another post to you...if you should accidentally contact me and use your board name I will delete your email knowing how you feel.

I have read some of your posts and actually found you a decent fellow until, for some reason, you now have this grudge against me.

I speak my mind, tell my truth and obviously it is not going to jibe with everybody on this board, but that does not mean I dislike men, don't like sex, hate fat men or have no respect for my safety.

It takes all types scoed...and you who obviously have been discriminated against for your size is doing the very same thing...judging me...who is the hypocrite now?

Again...I DO NOT FILM any activity...it's for ID purposes and everyone, including me is fully clothed. If something should happen, the police have a positive ID from which to go on. I don't care if anyone disagrees. It gets turned on for those who do not wish to give a full name and place of work If I get a fake name andd nothing else, my safety is at risk. And you have no idea how many women are doing this because so many board guys are not wanting to give any info that could be used in case of an offense.

THANK YOU!!! Finally someone with a couple of neurons that are synapsing ...Jesus Christ, I am NOT filming any activity...way to incriminate myself.

I will repeat this over again for you, who is so freaking blinded by your dislike of me...

It is activated for those who DO NOT supply a real name etc. Giving a board name to authorities gets me nowhere. And stop being so damn paranoid, I am not interested in blackmailing a hobbyist. I want my clients to go away and leave me alone until the next appointment. I do not want to complicate my life pissing around with blackmail attempts. Good God man, take a pill and relax.

..."But, assuming you could, my bet is she would be just as happy you didn’t….lol….. "...

Your damn right! After his onslaught...no way in hell!

Not everywhere are surveillance cameras always disclosed. Nanny cams for instance, are not . They are installed for the protection of those on the property and for prosecution of those who seem fit to abuse.

..." And your right, maybe I would like her in person. But I still don't think she would like me given I am way on the heavy side and get as much enjoyment out of pleasing the lady I am with as coming myself...."

You being heavy is absolutely no issue...where you got that from I don't know. if you went with the flow and did not demand or keep telling me I had to come...we'd probably have a great time.

The disrespect you "see" is purely my personal choices and they don't match you and you have taken them personally. Do you know what it's like being a provider and being judged on every little thing. I read countless times where my height, hair color/length, boob size..Oh you name is not someone's cup of tea. Let it roll, there are tons of other ladies who fit you and that's where you need to be...not worrying about one lady with whom you might not be a good fit with.

And if you give your full name etc. the camera remains off! Have a great day and don't sweat the small stuff.

..."If she NCNS she feels no responsibility to try to make it right. "..

I have a very good remedy for that..I don't NCNS...never had to "make it up" but have had NCNS and cancellations an hour before...I just take it in stride and don't pitch a fit.

I was the hypocrite and disrespectful. I have read you responses to my attacks, and I found my self out of line. I was a jerk and way out of line. I behaved with the same disrespect I accused you of having. I attacked with out being provoked and argumentative with all those that tried to point it out. Then in your responses to my unprovoked attacks you stated you case with respect. You answered my charges head on, and shown just how wrong I was. I while I was drunk, there is no excuse for my posts last night. They were every bit as harsh and judgmental as I mistakenly accused you of being. I apologize for being the worst kind of horses rear. I am sorry. In response to your question “(w)here did I say I don't like fat men?” There was I post on 7-8-2010 where you said:
“I am not attracted to fat people. I will have them as friends but to be intimate with...absolutely no chemistry or attraction whatsoever.”
“I've asked friends to shoot my ass if ever I got fat.”
“And god help the airlines if they get their way and wider seating is put in place. There goes the price of airfares all because people are freaking lazy and self indulgent.”
“What pisses me off about very overweight people is their push to have society fully accept their unhealthy lifestyles. And by this I mean making movie theater seats larger, booths in restaurants larger and even airline seats larger. At the increased for the rest of us to do so. It would be better for all concerned if they just lost the weight or were made to pay more for things as a sort of incentive. Higher health insurance rates, two tickets on airlines if they need two seats and likewise in movie theaters.

Then maybe, just maybe they would see fit to not shovel high calorie, high fat foods in quantities that could feed a small nation, into their mouths and get of their butts and move.”
Those comments hurt. I have been told how useless I am because of my weight ever sense I could remember. I had to start my own business as I could not find work as people said that because of my weight could not keep up with the pace they needed. I guess that is why I had a grudge against you. That was no excuse  because I did not respond then as I should have. Those words were no aimed at me in particular but mine were aimed at you. I should not of behaved the way I did. It was unforgivable. As I said, I was being a jerk and I am sorry.

I am very close to a lady who is a provider, and I have seen the work that goes into making sure that there clients have a good time. And no I do not mean ATF provider/friend close, I mean beyond best friend close. I do know how harshly you ladies can be judged. Your job is not easy. I have been judged just as harshly because of my weight. Last night I was what I hate most, because of my experience being unfairly judged because of my weight, a hypocrite. I judged you unfairly and attacked with out cause. I do owe you an apology and here it is I am sorry. You treated me with respect in your replies that I did not show you. Just for the record I am not one of those "Come for me baby" clients. I know often it is not possible because of a wide variety of reasons, but I do try. To tell you the truth most providers do not come during their time with me and I am OK with that. It is not there job. I do tend to be sensitive about being judged about not being a good fit. Because there is not tons of ladies that fit me in real life. More than one time, I have been turn down by providers even after spending over an hour making sure I am well groomed because of the way I look. And until I met my wife, I was a virgin. As no women I knew was interested in me in that way. I had lats of lady friends but nothing more. I was 31 years old when it happened. So there is not tons of ladies that I am a good fit for. There may be tons of ladies that will show me a good time if I show them the green, but not a good fit in that area. And about the camera, I did not realize it was reserved for those that hide who the are behind a hobby name, and that is different as you can't look them up. I would not see them and you are braver than I am. I see the need for a camera then, but only then. I am sorry and I know I deserve that place on you DNS ever list. You are no longer on mine. Man, was I an ass or what? I hope you can forgive me but if not I do understand as my behavior was not all that forgivable.