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mongocohen 29 Reviews 1982 reads
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Searching around Backpage Los Angeles recently and I stumbled upon an ad.  For some reason the pictures struck me as familiar and I cross-referenced them with someone I am friends with on Facebook.

Lo and behold it was the same woman.  Her Provider name is a derivation of her civilian name so that further confirms it .....

AND this is is someone I used to work with and frankly always had a yearning for.  

Obviously things have changed for her as I don't think she would be in this situation if she didn't haev to.  

As interested as I am in a rendezvous I think the right decision is to just move along and not reach out.  If I did contact her and ID's myself ahead of time that would be weird to say the least, but her opening the door and seeing me there would be even more fucked up no doubt.  

What she does is her business and clearly I am not out to harm or reveal anything to anyone, and given that discretion is the coin of the realm in hobbying, her know who I am is effectively assured mutual destruction.

Would be curious to hear what both hobbiests and providers alike think on the matter.  Would you walk away?  Or have you ever found yourself - on either side of the equation - finding yourself face-to-face with an acquaintance and how did you proceed?

Arovet 62 Reviews 817 reads
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3 / 34

and I think you also know how most of the responses will shake out. If you're on FB with her you have friends in common - you know this. If you try to book with her and she knows who you are she will not book with you and she'll be humiliated - you also know this. If you try to book with her and not tell her who you are and just show up she'll be both freaked out and humiliated - you absolutely know this. The prior infatuation is a powerful, judgment clouding force - fight that shit, nothing good comes of this. Plenty of other fish in the sea, let her be and silently wish her well.

stevenst 10 Reviews 555 reads
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4 / 34

At first I was tempted to say go for it as long as you can keep your private and hobbying life separate.  Don't we all wish to get that unattainable one?  I bet everyone has fantasies about a lady that we know we can't never have sex with, for various reasons.  If the opportunity presents itself, every man would jump for it.

However, after calming down my little head and some consideration, it poses too much risk.  You may be able to keep things professional but can you say the same thing for that lady?  It's hard to trust a person when everything rides on it  

Saying that, I congratulate you for being able to take a step back to think about this situation.  If I were in your shoes, I might have set up an appointment already (yea, I'm a horny bastard who loves the forbidden fruit).  I could only say no to it because I'm miles away and reading from a computer screen.

1705218 10 Reviews 464 reads
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mongocohen 29 Reviews 567 reads
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7 / 34

As I well suspected - and thanks to all for their sage and astute observations

Arovet 62 Reviews 571 reads
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8 / 34

It's awesome when information is sought and shared and we're all the better for the discourse. The lunacy of this board is fun, and as it happens necessary or it would die out completely, but I do so love when it's useful.

Johnny3Balls 608 reads
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10 / 34

be concerned with yourself first and foremost. She's a big girl and knows what she is getting into. do you think ladies here don't have friends that don't know what they do? I'm sure a few of them have been found out. Did the world stop....?

If you don't care about being outed for paying for sex (ie: no wife,  no kids, don't care what friends say) then go for it. You are both adults and can keep a secret right? It's not like either of you are going to post a selfie on FB with your dick in her mouth

hotplants 829 reads
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11 / 34

This assumes he, and she thinks that what she’s doing now is, somehow, shameful.  

The OP is already making a huge assumption; “Obviously things have changed for her as I don't think she would be in this situation….”

Maybe.  

Is there a possibility that it might be awkward for her to run into a prior professional colleague? Sure. But, no one but her knows how she might feel about this. And, if she has moved on to sex work to make a living, how is that any different than her moving on to anything else?  

If she was now a LMT should we automatically assume she would be humiliated if someone from her previous professional life showed-up wanting a massage? No?  

Why?  

Being queer I can tell you with authority, that—-the only problem *I* have ever had with my sexuality is the bullshit I get from other people who assume I’m supposed to be ashamed.  

A grown-up way to approach this would be to contact her, and be upfront about the previous relationship. If she’s uncomfortable, she will let him know; by either responding directly—or not responding at all.  


-- Modified on 2/1/2015 5:30:37 PM

Arovet 62 Reviews 580 reads
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12 / 34

I should not have written in absolutes. But I do think OP contacting this girl has bad outcome written all over it...why go for is girl in particular when there are so many others to see? This is not dating so there is no reason to risk finding out how she might react...there are no backsies here. Don't let being gay cloud your judgment on this, it's really not relevant as your sexuality is not a choice you've made whereas her being a provider is and neither you nor OP has any idea how she feels about that choice. I'm an abundance of caution kind of guy and this is a danger zone

hotplants 471 reads
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13 / 34

Yes, that's right. So, no need to assume she would feel humiliated. The rest of the world already "knows" (making assumptions and without ever questioning further) that she feels humiliated. And 'they' make damned sure that this is the message that makes it into the public eye.  

Why perpetuate that mythology here?

Where is the danger if he contacts her, being upfront about their previous connection? If this makes her uncomfortable, she will let him know. If she's comfortable and does agrees to see him, he's just another client. No biggie.  

My experience being gay is not relevant? If there is anyone who really *gets* the whole sexual shaming thing, ....yeah...

Arovet 62 Reviews 673 reads
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14 / 34

Where I'm coming down on this is why attempt to see this girl in particular? They have friends in common, she no doubt does not want it generally known that she's a provider so there is an element of risk here for both of them that is unnecessary. I'm not commenting at all on the stigma of being a provider, I'm just talking about practicalities. And yes, your being gay is very different: you will be gay until the day you die, she may be doing this for six months to pay some medical bills, who knows? And what if OP really has the hots for this FB friend? Even more reason to stay away! But all this said, sure, he can contact her and either be ignored, have the time of his life, or ignite a shit storm, who knows? All I'm talking about is risk v. reward and I don't like this trade.

hotplants 489 reads
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15 / 34

But to bring this back to what I focused on:

If he contacts her she will be humiliated

TOCnex000 533 reads
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16 / 34

I know how you feel buddy.  You probably fantasizes about her before when she was just a friend and now your fantasy can come true.  However, if things get ugly your circle of friends might somehow get involve too.  The reward doesn't justify the risk.  Try someone else.  Lol or someone might just be using her pics as bait and switch too, who knows.

Arovet 62 Reviews 464 reads
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17 / 34

"may be humiliated" is enough to put the brakes on this, IMO. If you disagree that's totally fine, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion.

hotplants 475 reads
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18 / 34

is enough to pull the whole "danger!! danger!!" thing, if he contacts her, off the table?

And, by the by---I've not said anything about you writing in absolutes.  Not sure why you're going there. Then again.....

"If you try to book with her and she knows who you are she will not book with you and she'll be humiliated - you also know this. If you try to book with her and not tell her who you are and just show up she'll be both freaked out and humiliated - you absolutely know this"

Arovet 62 Reviews 452 reads
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19 / 34

I went there because you made that point and I said it was valid! My first response to you was an apology for making absolute statements like "she will be humiliated," as in I should not have assumed she would be. My only point was that there is risk here that doesn't seem to be balanced by the reward. I thought I was pretty clear about that.

hotplants 445 reads
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20 / 34

I'll let you go back and re-read our own comments

Arovet 62 Reviews 546 reads
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21 / 34

Christ, my first sentence was "I should not have written in absolutes." So what do you want, a full retraction? Sorry, no, and I'm out.

-- Modified on 2/2/2015 1:15:31 AM

-- Modified on 2/2/2015 1:16:21 AM

hotplants 607 reads
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22 / 34

1st. I never said anything about you talking in absolutes. I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up.  

A full retraction? For what? Where have I even remotely implied anything like that?

I find it exhasperating that people, here, on this board, have a [general] tendency to default to the same level of sex shaming that all of us see in the larger media every day. The OP, and you, squarely landed there. I called you on it.  

We agree more that we disagree. No need to make more of than that

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 558 reads
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23 / 34

It's respectful to a lady to "allow for the POSSIBILITY" that she MIGHT NOT want others in her real world sphere to know.  I don't think it has anything to do with shame - it's just respect.  To impose one's own notion of shame (and who should and shouldn't feel it) upon her by contacting her ("hey, you SHOULDN'T be shamed by this damnit! - tell the world, proclaim it from rooftops, send out an ad with your Christmas cards to drum-up business - your Uncle Jimmy always looked at you with a lecherous eye anyway, I'm sure he'd be interested...") - to me is the height of arrogance.

To say that some ladies don't want others in their "real world" to know is well beyond an understatement.  To allow for this very real possibility is just very basic respect.  End of story.

Hopefully this back and forth volley, is coming to an end, but you never know... (see link)

mtdewking2015 423 reads
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hotplants 517 reads
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26 / 34

but your comments appear directed at me....?

here's the thing...

She MIGHT NOT want others in her real world sphere to know. But, the OP already knows. So, that ship has sailed.  

And, there is no reason to automatically assume a sex worker will be humiliated if contacted by an ex-professional colleague. Awkward? Possibly. But assuming she can use words, she can communicate whether, or not, she's comfortable with the possibility of seeing him as a client.  

There's no danger here other than she says 'no'. (or, nothing)

You're not being extra respectful by not contacting her because you're afraid she will feel humiliated if you do.

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 514 reads
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27 / 34

And keeping it that way is the respectful path.
To either assume that she wouldn't care if he knows - or to minimize the potential impact on her as perhaps just "awkward" is arrogant to me, and not considering how this truly might affect a lady.

Let's say he told her, and she said "no" to a possible date.
She could hang up the phone and think "Fuck!"  He might be the first one from her real world to know.  And we are not talking about knowing she is a member of a knitting club.  We are talking about knowing that she is engaged in an ILLEGAL enterprise.  Suddenly, this former work associate has something "on" her, should he ever choose to play that card.  If this is the FIRST person from her real life to know, I'm sure that could be unnerving AS HELL to her.

I'm not arrogant enough to risk having that kind of impact on a lady - when the alternative is 100% complete status quo as long as I keep my mouth shut.

hotplants 470 reads
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28 / 34

That they have not considered the risks.  That they don't know this is illegal? Do you think they've not contemplated (even braced themselves for) someone in their life finding out? And, how do you know she hasn't already 'come out' to her family/friends?

"Suddenly, this former work associate has something "on" her, should he ever choose to play that card...."

How would this be different than any other client?  

As far as considering how this truly might affect a lady. I'll take this down one more level. If, as the OP implied, this particular lady would not be in this situation unless things had gone a bit south for her....maybe she could use the business

Jstgttnstrtd 18 Reviews 549 reads
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29 / 34

Your questions posed do not demonstrate that you understood my points in my last post - so I don't see the point in continuing this.  I really can't keep explaining my opinion over and over and over and...

You don't think it's disrespectful to tell her you know she is a provider - I got it.
I disagree 100%, as much as a human being can possibly disagree with another.
I'll just leave it at that - because this horse is well beyond dead.

hotplants 524 reads
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30 / 34

I do not think it is disrespectful to tell a provider that I know she's a provider.

The only reason to avoid acknowledging that she's a sex worker (when, obviously, she already knows she is) would be because  I believe that there is somehow, somewhere, something wrong with what she's doing.  

I don't.  

definitely a dead horse here.

BigBrucey 9 Reviews 562 reads
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31 / 34

and it sounds great (finding out that someone I know is a provider), until it happens for real and you have to face reality.  I concur with your other replies that contacting her for professional services is a mistake.  Now the obvious question is - how is this knowledge going to change your civvie relationship with her?

ray8510 16 Reviews 442 reads
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Wouldn't it be interesting if she had a review history going back to the time you worked together? You'd be going back in your mind reviewing every detail of your interaction looking for clues.

Your situation does inspire a number of fantasy scenarios, but in real life I think I have to agree with the majority here and say don't do it, just move on.

mongo19621954 23 Reviews 442 reads
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33 / 34

YOU need to be cool with this.  Don't project your feelings on to her; if you are weirded out by it, you really won't enjoy it and you being freaked out WILL be awkward for her.  If you are OK with it - do it, otherwise you will kick yourself ten years from now that you didn't do it.

Honestly, really.  This is what she does for a living - as long as YOU aren't weirded out by it, she won't be.  By now, she's probably seen a lot weirder stuff than you'll ever think of..

RedHunters1227 446 reads
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Posted By: RodTidweLL
Disguising who he is. He meant what he said and is now showing frustration you called him out on it. He's done some amazing 'spin' game on his Freudian slips.  
   
 He meant what he said to you earlier, he apologized for you not seeing it his way.
Arovet needs to be careful. His fuzz is showing.....

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