I am thinking of purchasing a handgun for myself..
It has been years since I have shot anything..
Way back when, a few shot guns and a 22 ( married to the ex)
but I am think neither are very practical.
My goal is to protect myself. keep it forever
and be able to KILL not piss off the one who wants to harm me
but it be small enough and easy enough to handle.
I also plan on taking a class or two to freshen up on my skills
shooting bottles in the back yard 10 years ago.. although fun will not cut it...............
I tried to shoot his glock, and nearly fell on my ass lol. I think every provider should be packing...end of story.
and London flies the other way. So which does more damage when it hits you? I think we need to compare the BMI of the bullet against London's BMI. Hands down, London does far more damage. Flying hooker alert, clear the decks!
I think so too. I have never needed a gun to kick someone's ass...yet.
when do you have time for sex?
A .357, .38, or 9mm should do the trick loaded with self defense rounds.
tough to find right now though. They sell the second they hit the shelf.
or go with the Walther PPK .380 . I see the stainless version everywhere.
Both fit woman's hand and conceal great.
I agree theppk.380 ,357 to big
I would refer you to smith and wesson website. By TER rules, I can't paste the URL, but you can do a search on Smith and Wesson using google.
And don't just limit yourself to buying a gun. Gun doesn't do you any good if you are out and about and it is locked up at home.
Look into CCW permit pertaining to your state of domicile..
Good luck..
Good points Curly. Here, if you are a licensed bounty hunter ( 2 day class lol) you can carry and conceal just about anywhere.
Gotta thank our forefathers who had the foresight to let us bear arms. I live in semi rural area, and feel a lot safer with one.
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Hi Curly,
" A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!"
WE have a well regulated miltia! I don't think the forefathers envisioned the scope of the magnitude of how guns have evolved in our society!! If they saw how citizens, bent on destruction, can obtain an automatic weapon & create mass killings, they would revise the above amendment to exclude citizens from obtaining said weapons!!
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Guns alone won't protect you, going to the range and practicing will. Otherwise you should just throw a rock at the bad guy and run.
Illinois likes to make it hard for the law abiding citizens to protect themselves. They like to help the criminals feel secure when committing a crime since they wont have as much stress due to there being a very low chance of them being shot.
I personally am a Glock person but recommend a .38 revolver for people just starting out.
i also agree that the best investment is a lot of time on the range. Got to gain confidence in the gun or things will go from bad to worse if anything ever does happen with it
Hi MM,
These kind of stories make me ill!! A girl , 7 years old, shot dead while selling lemonade!! Guns are the scourge of the planet!!
Taking away guns from law abiding citizens is going to stop the gang-bang violence in the hoods?
Get your head examined....
Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country yet highest gun violence.
First, you can't uninvent the gun. Sorry. But you can't do it.
Now, that said, are you saying a gun was somehow driving a car down a street and stopped got out of the car it was driving and then somehow killed a little girl? All by itself? Wow...
A PERSON killed that little girl. Not a gun. If they didn't have a gun they could have done it with a knife, a bow, a crossbow, a sword, a rock, a bomb, a grenade, a dog, a well placed hedgehog, a slingshot, exposure to particularly bad morning breath, or even a large magnifying glass on the roof of a car filtering the sunlight.
Point being, guns aren't the only way to easily kill a person. If someone wants you dead it isn't remotly hard to get the job done. A gun didn't kill that little girl, an idiot did.
Now, let us return to my first point. You can not uninvent the gun. So, that said (again), the more gun regulations and restrictions you put in place the fewer good guys will have guns and the impact on the number of bad guys with guns will be nill. How is that a good thing?
Hi,
for another gang member!! If a knife was used I bet the girl would still be alive , today!!
Now, that said, are you saying a gun was somehow driving a car down a street and stopped got out of the car it was driving and then somehow killed a little girl? All by itself? Wow...
A PERSON killed that little girl. Not a gun. If they didn't have a gun they could have done it with a knife, a bow, a crossbow, a sword, a rock, a bomb, a grenade, a dog, a well placed hedgehog, a slingshot, exposure to particularly bad morning breath, or even a large magnifying glass on the roof of a car filtering the sunlight.
Point being, guns aren't the only way to easily kill a person. If someone wants you dead it isn't remotly hard to get the job done. A gun didn't kill that little girl, an idiot did.
Now, let us return to my first point. You can not uninvent the gun. So, that said (again), the more gun regulations and restrictions you put in place the fewer good guys will have guns and the impact on the number of bad guys with guns will be nill. How is that a good thing?
Don't you fuckin' see that the problem is with the people not with knife or guns....
Hi Curly,
No, not at all, but If a knife was used in that instance the little girl would be alive & still be selling lemonade, today!
Only law abiding citizens follow the laws.. The guys from the "hood" don't. You can take every one's guns away but still the gang bangers will find a way to get their hands on the guns..
Is this too fuckin' hard to comprehend? Monkey with half a brain can get this..
Get your head out of your ass and start thinking for your own self....
In your mind, the gun is to blame? Not the person that could conceive of killing a child?
There were 386 murders commited in the usa with a rifle of any sort (including assult weapons) in 2010. 7200 or so commited with handguns. Chicago and washington dc have the most restrictive guns laws and the highest murder rates by far nationally. Texas has the least restrictive and one of the lowest murder rates. Explain why a gun ban now after there are millions in private hands will work?
" A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!"
WE have a well regulated miltia! I don't think the forefathers envisioned the scope of the magnitude of how guns have evolved in our society!! If they saw how citizens, bent on destruction, can obtain an automatic weapon & create mass killings, they would revise the above amendment to exclude citizens from obtaining said weapons!!
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Look again...New Orleans is still number 1! Then again, that is per capita, but still. Can you imagine living here without some type of protection? Idiots kill people, not guns. The gang bangers are still going to have guns illegally, so if you restrict legal access to guns for protection, you're not 'saving' anyone Cubbie.
Your observations are totally inaccurate. First, our Founders did not think to GIVE us the Right to Bear Arms. As with all of the Bill of Rights, they knew that God gave us our rights. Second, the world the Founders lived in was pretty black and white. If you committed murder, you were hanged. Almost immediately. That kept murder rates down pretty well. Also, since nearly everyone owned and knew how to use firearms, there wasn't much of what we call gun violence.
As to automatic weapons, no, the Founders could not have envisioned their invention. Nor, could they imagine a society that thought guns were a bad thing, and that guns themselves could be blamed for the acts of people.
Sorry Voyager, but your logic is terribly flawed - God did not give anyone their rights. If that were the case, then EVERYONE in the world would have those same rights. But alas they DO NOT. WHY? Because MAN makes the rules and GOD has got absolutely nothing to do with it. Please do not envoke GOD. Man is in charge of Man just like who GOD is and what GOD wants is a figament of Man's imagination.
Now your thougths on what the Founders would think of automatic weapons are nothing more than an opinion at best and a wild ass guess at worst. Either way, your opinion/wild ass guess is devised to support YOUR position on guns.
What's my opinion/wild ass guess? Glad you asked. My opinion is that if the Founders knew what would guns would come to mean in the this country, they would have completely rethought the 2nd Amendment. I believe that the 2nd amendment was included because the Founders did NOT want a standing military (as they had in Britain) due the the prospect of a military coup. They wanted the population armed in the case of a foreign invader or a domestic tyrant, so the people could rise up to defend the homeland. Well thanks to the Industrial Military Complex and the growth of the largest military in the history of the world, the core reason for arming the people to form a "well-regulated milita" has been completely destroyed (unless of course you have watched Red Dawn one too many times).
You want a gun to protect your family. Go for it. It is engrained in this country and NOTHING the government can ever do to eliminate weaponry from this country. If George W, Thomas J and all the Founders came back from the dead and admitted they fucked up, the US Population would call them out for being pussies and stick a gun in their face and tell them to shut the hell up. NOTHING will disarm America. However, regulating firearms is within the jurisdiction of the constitution.
Interesting ideas, Joey, but allow me to point out the flaws in your argument.
First, our Founders believed, and so do I, that all people are born with certain rights. Free speech, freedom of religion, right to defend your person, etc. Our Bill of Rights set in writing that the government we choose in this country does not have the power to violate those rights. Opinion or fact?
Just because you are born in China or Great Britain doesn't mean you don't have those rights by birthright. You don't have those rights because there is a government that restricts your rights. This is called liberty.
God given rights were what the Founders of our country believed in. It does not matter if you don't believe in God. Your rights are protected by the Constitution because that is what they believed. You have the right to believe in God or not because of them.
BTW, I personally wore my country's uniform for over 20 years to defend your right not to believe in God.
You are partially correct about the standing army and militia issue. The Founders saw the United States as exactly what the name implies. States bound together for a common good. Not a NATION composed of states subservient to a central government. Read the Federalist Papers. Therefore the right of the people to keep and bear arms was to protect their STATE.
Last, but not least. The Constitution does not give the government the power to regulate firearms. Please show me which section where this is written. The 2nd Amendment states A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Gun laws in this country exist because governments have chosen to ignore this dictate. Any law that infringes on my right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional, by definition.
You can support your arguments by any circular reasoning you find convenient, but the facts are the facts.
Nice chatting with you
We have a standing army and a national guard. Many of the Founders were against forming a standing army.
The Founders envisioned that able bodied, honest men would keep and bear arms of the same quality and power as the best military of the day, namely the British Army. The intent was to act as a deterrent to any government foreign or domestic becoming tyrannical. They were also swift in their actions in handling any citizen "bent on destruction". If anything, we have fallen short of keeping with their intent.
BTW, automatic weapons are already illegal to common citizenry and for the record, even though your didn't bring it up, the 2nd Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting.
Just one point ed. Automatic weapons are not illegal to own by the "common citizen" . You are required to pay a special tax in order to keep an automatic weapon.
Technically you are correct but you left out the non-financial hoops one must jump through. I’ve never attempted obtaining the licensure but getting permissions from county, state and federal officials makes anyone that is successful far different than "common". Some states such as mine make it essentially impossible.
And one additional comment to CubbieFan, the rights protected by the 2nd Amendment were never given by the Founders. The right to self preservation (like other inalienable rights) does not stem form any person, persons or government.
Didn't you say in a previous post you don't advocate gun ownership?
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a Snubnosed 38 would be ideal..they are about 3 inches long..that is about the size of most clients..and they would probably wind up snubbing you anyway..
It has been years since I have shot anything..
Way back when, a few shot guns and a 22 ( married to the ex)
but I am think neither are very practical.
My goal is to protect myself. keep it forever
and be able to KILL not piss off the one who wants to harm me
but it be small enough and easy enough to handle.
I also plan on taking a class or two to freshen up on my skills
shooting bottles in the back yard 10 years ago.. although fun will not cut it...............
good advice from all.. lose the .22.. it will only piss an assailant off, get something with stopping power.. I opted for the S&W .40 cal myself.. not as much wrist cruncing recoil as the .357 or .44 mag..
if you are concerned about self defense in a home invasion situation, keep the shotgun.. even a .410 at that range can be effective and staring down the barrel of a 12 ga will make even a hopped up druggy shit his pants and leave...
keep them loaded, keep them away from children, keep ypur skills up and don't let your assailant take them away from you and use them.. bottom line is, if you are not prepared to kill another human being, do not get a gun.. it will only serve to supply a would be assailant with a weapon.
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I've been hunting and shooting for more years than you've been alive and while one shot between the eyeballs with a .22 should be adequate, many people and large mammals have kept moving after multiple higher calibre rounds have hit them.. if you come up against a motivated assailant you need knock down power, not something that is going to drop them "eventually"
If you are seriously worried about self defense, get something real.. if you just want to plink beer cans at the range the .22 is adequate, fun, and easy to handle...
Carrying a weapon for self defense is serious business and should be treated as such. Knowing when not to pull the trigger is just as important as knowing when to pull the trigger.. Guns are NOT toys and should never be treated as such..
Sorry to be so pendantic, but I take my right to keep and bear arms very seriously and and anything even remotely striking me as "flippant" puts me up on my soap box in a heartbeat..
Let us hope that never has to happen, because as I said...have yet to pull it. My home as well as my incalls all have alarm systems, that connect right to the police in the event something happens. I was actually robbed at gun point, and still would have had no way to pull a 22 much less anything else. It is purely for piece of mind, and I agree they are not toys. Any man seeing me as client is going to be within 3 ft of me, so it's not like I am going to be shooting at him across a football field.
I am well aware that a 22 is more for sting than power, but a stun gun is also not going to kill a person that fast, and many people have those instead of a gun.
i didn't want this to turn into a long assed debate... the difference between a stun gun and a .22 is a stun gun incapacitates immediately... generally.. there are cases of extremely obese people withstanding a stun and keep coming but those same people would absorb a .22 like it was a mosquito bite and just keep coming...
facing a physical assault at within 3 feet, you would be better off with a stun gun.. or even mace or bear repellent...
I see you are passionate about this, and I don't want to argue about it for once. I am just saying for me, this is what I choose to have right now. Once I get more experience shooting, I may upgrade. I just don't want to be walking around with a gun I can't even use because it's too big, and imagine if it got taken from me? Like you said, a 22 can be taken but won't kill me in every case.
A .22 lr from a rifle is pretty effective at short range (25 yrds or less), a pistol a little less so but you are better off with a gun you are comfortable with than on thats to big for you to handle or you arent fimilar/comfortable with. I think I'd take my ruger 10/22 over a 9mm hand gun if I had to defend myself (mainly comfort with it for me), just keep pulling the trigger until they are on the ground in any situation if you do have to shoot.
For hand guns I love my 10mm kimber, wish it held more then 8 rounds but still love the gun and the round.
I've been hunting and shooting for more years than you've been alive and while one shot between the eyeballs with a .22 should be adequate, many people and large mammals have kept moving after multiple higher calibre rounds have hit them.. if you come up against a motivated assailant you need knock down power, not something that is going to drop them "eventually"
If you are seriously worried about self defense, get something real.. if you just want to plink beer cans at the range the .22 is adequate, fun, and easy to handle...
Carrying a weapon for self defense is serious business and should be treated as such. Knowing when not to pull the trigger is just as important as knowing when to pull the trigger.. Guns are NOT toys and should never be treated as such..
Sorry to be so pendantic, but I take my right to keep and bear arms very seriously and and anything even remotely striking me as "flippant" puts me up on my soap box in a heartbeat..
Best home protection. A big German Shepherd to wake you up and the 12 Ga with 00 Buck to take them down and not kill your neighbor in the process.
always what I reccomend for home defense as well it won't kill your family member in the next room not to mention your neighbor
Federal classic 2 3/4 #1 buck is my preference. Makes much bigger holes in ballistic gelatin than 00 or even 000 buck. Greater projectile surface area.
#1 is less common however.
Generated by 00 and 000. The Greater penetration and damage done the better and you still don't shoot any through your outer walls and into your neighbors. There is always the possibility you have to shoot a home invader through an interior wall of your home so there again give me the greater penetration.
If you can't find # 1 go online or I will buy you 10 boxes and meet you somewhere .
I would like to fire some rounds with a M4, but I was expert marksman in the Air Force with M16. Also qualified on the M203.
.38 Revolver is the best choice.
Reliable, Easy to Operate, Big Enough for the Job, and a Light Recoil.
Pistols are great, but they are not the best if you are only an occasional shooter.
They are more complex to operate.
No matter what you buy, spend some time at the range so you are comfortable with using it safely.
I hear what you say and agree, but a house wife her in Atlanta just shot a home invader 5 times with a .38 revolver, a few in the head, and the cops caught him as he was fleeing the scene. He's still alive.
The 911 tape of that shooting is wild.Husband was on phone with 911 and wife at same.You could hear Husband saying shoot Him,shoot Him and she DID good for Her She's alive.
Yea " shoot him again like I taught you "
Good for them
Depending on the ammo she was using. If she was using self defense loads he would not have walked out of the house. I give the wife credit for standing her ground.
And yes depending on the round , however , whatever it was allowed that POS to flee after taking a few in head. Fight or Flight , luckily his reaction was flight . Some other loser cranked up on drugs might have reacted with fight .
Pershing had the .45 built for that reason.
mistress Jessica is petite = small frame . Now she does have experience with weapons. Instead of telling her to get a hand cannon with daisy cutters! howabout some good advice like go to nearest gun range, fire some rental handguns meaning semi automatics and revolvers and she willl be able to choose from that experience.
Best advice so far.You need a gun that feels good in your hand,
That is what I told her in a PM.
Big bullet. Tiny gun.
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But I'd op for a .22, but fire a .45 sometime, that little bit of kick is almost orgasmic 
Not sure I'd get hard for a week if this happened
Well darling, I'd show you my collection of guns but it might just send you over the edge, my 30a6 is my baby though
Kimber Solo, 9mm. Very small, very light, very reliable, easy to shoot! Combined with a nice hollow point and you are in business! Have trained many women how to shoot this weapon and all have been pleased with this gun.
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A small framed coworker of mine has a CDW and she carries one. it has much more pop than a .22, without being significantly larger
one that you are completely comfortable with, have practiced with extensively and never have to use.
For diminutive size, weight, simplicity, and reliability you cannot beat the Glock-26 or 27(.40S&W) IMHO. The 9mm chambering ensures serious knock-down power while not being "punishing" to the shooter or his hands.
Glock has a .380 (aka 9mm-short); but it is for law enforcement personnel only.
Great gun.....fat as can be for concealed carry.
What Glocks lack in "svelt" they make up for in a simple, uncluttered, snag free, totally pragmatic exterior.
My suggestion would be to look for a Police trade in brand name .357Mag. If you weren't goingto carry beyond your home, 4". If you were, 2-3" snub nose. Then load it with .38+P hollow points. In the old days +P indicated higher velocity higher pressure high performance ammunition... modern ammo makers use improved powders to get the same velocty at standard pressures which is easier to shoot well & easier on the gun.
If you like to shoot, enough to become proficient I'd shift to semi-auto 9mm or 40 cals or even 45 ACP. But the action is more complicated & more prone to stopages.
A blued gun will likely have a very worn finish but PD have armorers to maintain their guns & it'll be already broken in. A stainless gun will be worn shiny... I got a nice SS Aussy Police trade in .357 last year. I still keep a 38/357 revolver around to loan when occasion requires.
In either case you should shoot a whole box of the same ammo you will keep in the gun without a hangup before entrusting your life to the gun. Sometimes grips need to be changed for hand size. A really great thing is a friend who is into guns who'll let you try out theirs for the cost off ammo.
... HAVE A GUN... everything else is a nuance. (a .22 between the eyes has a very predictable effect).
Having said that... IMHO .380 ACP is the minimum for personal protection, however, refer above, the gun you have handy beats the HELL out of the one you don't!
Out of a handgun, the .22 Magnum offers better penetration than many cartridges that are commonly preferred for social situations, like the .380 Auto and the .38 Special. The .22 Magnum also has a lot less recoil, offering faster follow-up shots. You can get laser built into the grip. This is my pocket protector.
Plenty of oomph. More than 9mm, less than .45 acp, much more manageable.
I would recommend taking a look at the Ruger ACP 380. Personally, I own both a S&W full size M&P 9mm and a Glock 23 Compact 40 S&W.
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Super comfortable. Compact. Very accurate.
... solutions for you.
1. Stay in high class hotels, especially the ones that require a room key to use the elevator.
2. Do screen your potential clients. You may have been doing this, but something tells me that it's not clients that you are worried about.
3. Never do outcalls unless you have seen the client a few times
4. Take self-defense classes - What would you do if someone manages to take your gun way? Then what?
5. Don't buy a gun if you have children in your residence.
In my opinion, guns are only to be used by the police and the military. But, that's a topic for a different forum.
Serpius
It has been years since I have shot anything..
Way back when, a few shot guns and a 22 ( married to the ex)
but I am think neither are very practical.
My goal is to protect myself. keep it forever
and be able to KILL not piss off the one who wants to harm me
but it be small enough and easy enough to handle.
I also plan on taking a class or two to freshen up on my skills
shooting bottles in the back yard 10 years ago.. although fun will not cut it...............
You said you're petite and want to carry...so nothing big.
Don't want an automatic. The last thing you want to worry about is whether or not there's a round in the chamber...or fiddling with a safety.
Forget a .22. That will just piss someone off.
Forget about a .45. That will knock you on your ass, or make a second shot more difficult due to recoil.
You want a .38 revolver. One made for carry, with a bobbed hammer (less to snag on clothing or in a purse). Revolvers have less moving parts which means less to go 'wrong' when you need it most. No safety to deal with, or slide to operate. Point and shoot. Simple.
You also want the right ammunition. When you hear stories about someone being shot multiple times and walking away....some idiot was using hardball ammunition. Get rounds for self defense. Something like this:
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/hornady-critical-defense-c.jpg
Smith and Wesson Airweight is the way to go.
You can replace the grips with Crimson Trace laser grips for more confident shooting in low light situations.
Good for you not only for wanting to carry....but also knowing the importance of *training*.
Perfect choice.
I still think a Derringer in the garter belt has nostalgia.
Seriously though. Put a black grip on that thing, and I would buy it.
Is that a hardened barrel, and cylinder? Really nice.
Plenty of extremely reliable autos out there with far more capability than revolvers. They're anachronistic. Besides there have been plenty of reports regarding trigger lock failures on S&W revolvers under recoil. What a fucking joke; trigger locks on revolvers? Purely idiotic.
I keep this in my car Sig P238. Six shot clip. Light. Compact. Nice piece
You should find a range where you can rent a variety of guns to see what suits you best. I would not rely on anything less than a 9mm to kill, but that's just my professional opinion. A 380 may suffice so long as the gun is comfortable enough to be carried at all times. Better to have a tiny gun that you have on you the majority of the time than a cannon that you leave in the safe.
I see you are in the Carolinas, if you are anywhere in the vicinity of Moyock, NC go learn from the people at Academi formerly known as Blackwater. I trained there myself shoulder to shoulder with some people that don't exist. Training is available to all, from basic pistol stuff to sniping at 300 yards without a scope, you just can't take pictures because of my last sentence.
It has been years since I have shot anything..
Way back when, a few shot guns and a 22 ( married to the ex)
but I am think neither are very practical.
My goal is to protect myself. keep it forever
and be able to KILL not piss off the one who wants to harm me
but it be small enough and easy enough to handle.
I also plan on taking a class or two to freshen up on my skills
shooting bottles in the back yard 10 years ago.. although fun will not cut it...............
If you're looking for a pistol for a petite lady I think a kahr would be a good choice. They are small framed single stacked ( so they are thin) and are easier to conceal than a double stack auto. They don't have a external safety to flick off so in a moment of stress you can't forget to diengage it. Much like the glock it is kind of idiot proof point and shoot. The glock is thicker (double stacked magazine) and if your hands are small you might not have as firm a grip on it. As for caliber alot of people don't believe a 9mm has enough stopping power, a .45 definetley has enough stopping power but a petite lady might find it to have excessive recoil. Lots of police departments used to use 9mm's and stopped becase of the stopping power issue, some then switched to .45's but female officers found the round a bit much to handle, lots of them now use the s&w .40 for that reason. The .40 has much better stopping power than the 9mm while having much less recoil than a .45. The question was what would be a good gun for her ( a petie lady) not a 6' tall guy. She would probably have a hard time concealing a full size .45. I have a glock 23 in .40 I find it to a nice medium betweem a 9mm and a .45. I'm not recomending a 23 for her because I have friends ( believe it or not) with smaller hands than I do that don't like it saying the grip is too big, while I really like it. While kahrs are too small for me the trigger pinches my finger. But the thread isn't what the gun for me would be but for her.
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