in etiquette. Now, I can't wait to see how many guys yell, "Gosh, she is jaded and really hates her job...she should just go flip burgers." Before you say that, take a look at how many guys she sees a day and the fact she claims to have 10 pages of reviews all of 9s and 10s lol. What does that mean? It means she is probably NOT the only one thinking this crap, but also does a great job at pretending to love all of her clients. In other words, you'll never know bwahahhaa.





-- Modified on 12/2/2012 8:08:51 PM

I'm pretty sure most of her points are valid with some people but....

Either I don't know how to do a search or she has inflated her TER pedigree.  There are no providers with over 100 reviews who rate 10 / 9. I only found 1 provider over 100 reviews that meets 9 / 9 scores and who is working for an agency.  But, she can't be the author because there are some ratings that fall below the lowest ratings she claims to have.  Just makes me wonder how bored this lady got during her 2 hour NCNS.

thanks for sharing...I hope some guys will take the time to peruse it, LOL.

Thanks for the interesting read. I'm sure many providers have many of her thoughts but, as I'm sure you know, everyone is different and what applies to one provider may be entirely different with another. For instance:

"You’re probably the 5th or 6th guy I’ve screwed that day."  "We only have 15, at the most 30 minutes between appointments… "  ...I would never knowingly even see a girl that does that kind of volumn!

"I don’t want any of your body parts in or around my asshole."...One of my local providers (you know her) gets frustrated with me because I WON'T go there!  LOL

"I don’t particularly want your tongue anywhere on me."...Really? I know for a fact many ladies would be very disappointed if I simply expect them to service me without reciprocation.

"But surprisingly, Yes! I DO want you to cum all over my (fill in the blank). "...I know many ladies might agree with that but my current ATF would toss my ass out the door for that!

"I don’t have time to go anywhere- Not even to the store to replenish my supply of rubbers. And they cost MONEY."...Again, REALLY?  I thought you wanted to play safe. Come prepared and if you think they are too expensive it may be time to reexamine your rates!


Basically I'm saying MOST of the above applies mainly to 'high volumn' providers. I shudder to think of the slobs they have to deal with.

Now, the second half of her rant contains some info that is more 'universal' IMHO  My advice to all hobbyists is pay attention to subtle hints given by your provider. It really isn't that tough to recognize if you are pushing her comfort levels. Show some respect because, yes, she is human too!

When I see someone I know she is not in love with me or looking to me for her satisfaction, but I hope she enjoys it the way I look forward to seeing 90% or my patients 90% of the time.  If I did not, I would stop practicing medicine.  If that lady was writing about the 10% of her clients who she sees against her will, that is one thing. Otherwise, she is seeing people wishing she was not.  That makes me sad for her and sad to think her clients are seeing someone who is working purely for money and is really wishing they would just go away.

That's why I stay away from agencies. Those girls often have no idea who is going to walk through the door. I simply can't imagine.

at least since 2009. I read it around March of that year, a friend emailed it to me. At the time, I was working for an agency and agreed with every single point. I thought that was how all girls were. Since going independent and raising my standards A LOT, my opinion changed 1000%. Now, I think that poor girl needed to get a clue...also that, if she thought it was hard THEN, imagine what she must think NOW (I feel that there is more competition and higher expectations).

It is still funny as all get out.

it's called shut the F--- up and get another job!!!!!

Ya know I expect bad service at Taco Bell but not when I fucking pay $300!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you not get how this works???????????????????????????????

I pay $300, $400, etc. and I expect you to fucking ACT (repeat ACT) like you enjoy it.  See this is called a fantasy.  Maybe they didn't teach that in HOOKER SCHOOL.

Holy shit on a wheat thin cracker even overpriced hookers now complain.  

Let's just import them all from Mexico where they are grateful to be in the USA, can't speak english (hint:  no blogs) and don't complain.

to tell her to get another job. Get your head out of your ass and realize this...even those companions you THINK really like you...probably feel the same way she does lol. They just don't let it show because they want your MONEY, and ONLY your money. Damn...sorry bout that. Who cares though...I mean you want ONLY sex right? Hmm...if that were really true, you might have gotten the point. This woman claims she has NEVER let this show on a date.

-- Modified on 12/2/2012 9:52:24 PM

Insurance companies know that professionals would rather work than stay home for the same pay.  Professionals like their work as Dr. Joe does, but when so many providers try to get paid more to see fewer men it's status and indicative theirs is not a profession.  They would do this if they liked seeing clients.  If they liked doing what they did.

Let me remind Dr. Joe this is a business.  It is going to be sad.  How many people are going to make $80/hr-$2500/hr without any education or real training and truly like what they're doing.  Simple laws of economics would dictate huge migration of women into this work would occur, if it were close to likable.  Some by nature are suited for it, but most are not.  It's so easy to forget, we pay for actresses.

- how, unless your job demands it, that you can't be well groomed. It sets the tone for how people regard you.

wow..i am glad i am not included in the "some" category..i treat all my ladies like the dainty damsels they truly are..

They just don't want to believe that some of the ladies they see wish they were somewhere else with someone else. I think what burns these guys asses is they can't tell which one can't stand them but like the money. And their only answers are to flip burgers..etc etc. A knee jerk reaction to a realization that they are not as great as they think they are.

Understandably so but just part of this business. I mean the guys I see have no idea I am gay. I guess I do a really good job and that's what I am paid for. In fact, as someone mentioned there are a few in the top 100 that are exactly in my position and for sure, the guys they see have no idea that it's all an act.

Even if I was a red blooded heterosexual female, I would be hard pressed to get wet over the average guy who pays for sex...some of it is the appearance but most of it is the rotten attitude displayed by many hobbyists...RT (NN) is a classic example.

A great attitude and some sensitivity go a long way mac. I really do like the guys I see because they are nothing like some of the guys on here (rude, arrogant, abusive, issues with women). The guys on here know where they belong on that scale and those that come out fighting are usually the guilty parties.

Thought 1)

Towels being as valuable as they are, I will try and snatch one from the maids cart on the way to the room if I get a chance and no-one can see me doing so... I've always used the same towel taking a shower after as I did when I arrived, so hopefully using one towel instead of two has gained me some respect.

Thought 2)

In response to this question:

"4. You sit down at your table… Prime location. Intricately designed surroundings… Clean, classy atmosphere. Your server arrives at your table. She asks you what you would like to order. "

What would you expect anyone seeing providers to select any answer but C:

"C. )Take her apron and pen, sit her down at the table, and ask what SHE would like to order."

Sounds good to me!  

If it bothers you to be asked just pick something random so that your soreness will be evenly distributed.

You are lucky at 90%.  I' m maybe at 75-80, (not a dr.).  I SUSPECT  the percentage for  MOST providers is lower.

That's the point It's not a fun job.   I should put it Professionals like their work and look forward to doing it.  Why in God's name would we have gone through all that work to not continue?  Different work and people will vary.  The Dr. was finding that point at LR's level.  

Don't be confused by the Doc's perspective.  Many people hate their work and make much less, but they seldom get to chose it as she says she did.

What many professionals don't see is how any job looks good to some who haven't any at all.  Getting up and going to work is a feeling of needed productivity.

Independents providers,  I can assure you, most of us think  differently.


LDL

sad, myopic commentary, relfective of her sad, myopic experience.



-- Modified on 12/3/2012 12:42:58 AM

and venting some disappointments.  You of all people, the one hiding behind an alias, becomes judgmental and casting sin, because you don't like how they feel and what is SAID.

Pick up you pitch fork and your broom.  Don't manipulate from "rude" to "abusive" in one breath and then conclude "those who come out fighting are usually the quilty parties"   Wow  Somebody went from rude to quilty of abuse for talking, which you have becomes fighting.  Where were you when the British left.  In the ships counting the dangling.
Ain't it amazing what you can do with words.

I used to drive many of her friends home...I swear the only straight one there was my GF. I assume that at least some of the providers I have seen are gay...laws of averages and all. Not mislead to believe that this is anything but make believe...I believe your into me, and you close your eyes and believe I am Johnny Depp...or Kiera Knightly (which ever floats your boat..)

This does also seem to coincide with high volume providers.
I may be new, but I don't have the time a day to see more than two. Three at tops.
I like hard pressure on my clit, and DATY sounds good to me.
If I'm being paid for a 4 hour dinner date, my gentleman should most certainly NOT come in 40 minutes and leave. How rude.

Now, if one is very high volume, dealing all of these men very conan the barbarian men, then this would most definitely apply.

And that it does, probably means this is not directed at you.

Rule #1 - She's really not that into you nor will she ever be.

That bit was written more than five years ago. I'd say with her attitude, she is probably retired by now

I stick with low volume local independents. If I do see an agency girl, I try to make an appt early in the day never at the end of a day.

Wow. Thanks for the reality check.
I know I suck in the sack, but I never thought I was that unbearable.
Really really creepy. Yuk.
Shit. Sorry ladies. I pretty much got this crazy shit out my system anyway.
Time to get laid the normal way. By begging for it! LMAO!
Be well all. Stay safe ladies. I hope you don't have to suffer too many creepy smelly dudes.
I want no part of that.
Just knowing that gives me the heebie geebies.
I need a fucking hot shower to scrub this shitty feeling off.

but when ithought about it, it seems she went over the top with it all. not my place to tell anyone what they should like or how they should feel...saturn doesnt want rough stuff and london doesnt want the big dicks...i get it and thats cool. your business. but seriously...you can buy your own towels if its that serious. you make enough money.

If she was rated so high then she could be more selective on who she sees and certainly doesn't need to see six guys in a day.

to complain about from the men I meet, but there's a reason for that lol. When you have some pimp or agency getting pissed at you for who you refuse to fk, it's another story.

I would most likely run into some of the very same losers she posts about if I worked every damn day, which is why I don't. If your body can handle 3 a day, I would say you're doing pretty good with the physical and mental aspects here, because I have NEVER heard a SB say she would even see more than one guy, and only 2 days a week.

suggests you give a fk about the women you see. Sadly, this is a wake up call for what comes through the door at times when you have to screw because you need the money. Anyone saying she loves every single guy she sees especially if she is seeing 10-15 guys a week, is full of shit. Well, unless she is just the type of person who has no standards that is.

She says, "If I wanted to work without the middle man, I would be an independent." I don't get that...why would anyone NOT want to be able to choose who they see and when they see them? The towels are not a big deal if you really think about it, but it certainly is an issue. Who the hell has a C*ck big enough to use 3 damn towels in a one hour date?  I don't steal from the cart, because I just bring my own...done deal, but there is a reason for that.

It's simply indicative of the dumb shit some guys do....titty twisters and the pressure to get the girl off is another issue. If you're pressuring me to get off, I am NOT going to. I would imagine the same holds true for many men. If all we did was rush you to cum, would that get you closer to the big finish? I doubt it.

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I am not talking about my SB life, I'm talking about myself as a provider.
I've had the same SD's for a few years. I don't "see" more than one a day, it doesn't work like that.
I also said 3 at TOPS. And by three I mean clients. Not SD's.
My sugar life and my provider do very well not confuse each other. You would never hear an SB say such a thing, because that's not how that works, obviously. And I probably could see more than one SD a day, because my second SD and I do not (never ever) have sex. None. So there is no physical drain.

Also, you're special. Not everyone. You are living in a luxury world of your own design. Not everyone is.
Of course my body can handle three men a day. With my one of my SO's, we can usually go two rounds in the morning (and like you, I'm a tight little thing), sometimes 3.  So, if I have sex with each client ONCE, then it's like those 3 morning sessions, simply spread out. Which is better.

Oh, and I don't handle the physical very well, actually. I have nice icy hot pack nestled between me and my sheets. All because I decided to enjoy my little marathon romp....ouch.

Also, what SB sees their SD more than twice a week? That SD must be unmarried....

Yes, I am very suspicious of the "I love each and every one of my little special snowflakes" type comments I see some providers post. I think I could feel lust, maybe mild affection and deep enjoyment...but to feel for a client to that degree is beyond me. I mean, I feel that way about SD2...but I get to spoiled brat princess with him.

15 guys a week would men....3 EVERYDAY. No weekends. I thought agencies were supposed to be reputable. This happens? I'm not going to work like a bitch and heat, and then give up 70% of my check, 7 days a week. I'd just work at the Gap.

that she did not ask the guys to be sure to turn in their numbers so she could re use them.

lol. There is only one person who says 'You're special" the way you say it to me, and she was the same person who made a big stink about being called a hooker. I am not talking about your SB life but your provider life, and most would consider any woman working 7 days a week regardless of the numbers, rather high volume. I might see 2 guys a WEEK, and one of those 2 is a sugar daddy.

I know many women who tour and see 5 guys a day, but they take a week off after I would guess. If I tried to see even 3 guys in one day, I would be out of commission for at least a few days. Now, 3 blowjobs a day? Bring it on, but when you are talking msog with gfe, that is insane.

It's a pretty simple message:

1. Cleanliness
2. Don't obsess about getting the lady off
3. Pay attention to her body language and don't hurt her

In other words, be a decent human being.  Real earth shattering stuff there.  LOL

I also like the guys I see and genuinely enjoy the time I spend with them.  It has very little to do with looks - as long as someone is clean and well groomed - but all about the attitude.  A bad attitude can make the most physically attractive guy completely repulsive to me, both in hobbyland and civie life.  

Daty is no bueno. How sad.

That and giving 40-50% to the agency. I thought 20 was about standard. If its really 40-50 I might rethink my career choice.

If she was that highly rated, giving up that percentage and wanted a middleman, why not just higher a booker that she could pay $50 an appointment or whatever? I guess that's why for the most part they are GFEs and not MBAs. London excepted of course.

So all that sounds suspicious but it doesn't detract from the fact that she had some good points and brought up some stuff that should be kept in mind. I think that cleanliness one should be pounded all the time. I saw one ATF who told me that one guy had come to her straight from working in his yard and didn't want to shower for a GFE appointment. WTF?  I always shower before and after. It's the least I can do.

On the flip side of that, I'm using two fucking towels so go get some more. If you are really going to compare yourself to a high class restraunt, then don't expect me to use the same napkin I used yesterday if you haven't washed and dryed it.

I got a PM from a woman about this blog, saying I was "jealous" of this provider...wtf, I am not siding with her or against her lol. I think the blog is funny as hell!

And if I see any more than four I am no longer providing my A game.  That is without running into any losers.  It's not like having sex three times in one day with a SO....so so much more goes into it than that.  Especially if you're providing at a 9-10 performance level.

That was PERFECT !!!

This is TOO fucking funny! !

And agreed with about 3% of it.  But the rest was funny, and, sadly, how I'm sure some high volume providers feel. But, regardless of how we actually feel, our job IS to make the hobbyist fall in love with us and to feel like a God because we "love" them back.  

Some of us really enjoy what we do, and apparently some don't. I can't imagine doing this if I didn't enjoy it as much, but, it is what it is, and it's never going to change.

Went from agency to indy last year. She didn't realize how miserable she was until she made the move. (and this was a female run agency..)She only sees one a day now...stays UTR...takes days off...now she says, she almost enjoys her work.

I can't imagine trying to keep up the act for 5-6 appointments a day.

the girl in the post, was obviously burnt out. And I am sure all factors she listed are relevant to her...but the agency she was working with shares equal blame.

When I used to tour, extra towels and sheets were a must, but I packed very light otherwise so not an issue. I do admit it is a bit absurd to demand clean clients, then bitch about towels used in the same breath though. I think she was more talking about guys who only book and hour and have to use 3 towels just for their d*ck.

I think it's funny as well though - because I can relate.  I used to be a lot like her, except I wasn't as good of an actress lol.  It sucked, and it only changed when I grew the fk up and changed my own attitude and approach.  Life is too short to spend it that pissed off.

If she has seen a bunch of guys that day/week, and just goes
"Ugh not another one"
Or god forbid is forced, or coerced into seeing me.
That is a pretty revolting thought.
It's practically rape in my mind.
I didn't sign up for that. Just the thought that it may have happened to me makes me sick to my stomach.
I have seen Independents on Agency Websites.
So how can I be sure the lady I see is not being treated like the girl who wrote that.
The cold hard fact is I cannot ever be sure.
That is a serious deal breaker for me.
So I'll get laid less, and work for it.
I don't know why it took me so long to realize this.
I guess I did, but didn't want to believe it.
I know a couple of girls. (Providers, and civie) that will be glad I quit the hobby.
I obviously don't have the whatever it takes to do this shit.
They knew right away.
Could you imagine a provider telling a trick he isn't cut out to hobby?
At first I was insulted. Now. Not so much.

I am expressing my opinion too and you didn't like it..clearly, you are part that group...if the shoe fits shove it up your asspect.

Now you pick up your club and amble off to that smelly cave you crawled out of. No self respecting female wants to deal with your babble and put up with your shit.

If I can't check my ego at the door, then that indicates I think I'm "special"- just like every other person on the planet.(Thanks, Demotivators)
I'd rather be well thought of as a good client and a reasonable fun interlude than worrying about assuaging my ego. If I'm a realist, that is, but I wonder if some men cannot simply see the experience for what it is.
I'll get more satisfaction that way, and a friendlier reaction.

Re: LOL...towels are the least of it...eom

im sure, but it just struck me as too much. some things are worth bitching over, towels are not. this is one rare case where you will hear me say maybe she should find another profession. seems like she just likes to complain. maybe she could run for president if that is the case? just bitch about what everyone else has or has not done.

You are dead right. Under NO circumstances do I even want a whiff that I'm doing something that is unwanted. Is she tired- sore- having a bad day? No problem, we can reschedule, and I show up next time with an additional gift to say "Thanks for seeing me this time on better terms". I suspect it pays off with a much more rewarding experience.

What makes you think the agencies are suppose to be reputable?

They pay you 30% not 60%? No wonder they snitched.

I really respect you for saying that, and you wanna know what?  You're just the kind of guy that I enjoy my time with, and I'd be willing to bet that other rational, relatively sane, and totally non coerced providers feel the same way.

There truly are those of us who don't consider our clients to be scum of the earth - in large part because we refuse to deal with the few who actually are.  There are a LOT of us out there, and we're easy to spot if you know what to look for.

While actual forced prostitution does exist, it's not what's going on in the case of the girl who wrote that blog.  Some of the problem is that girls who have such negative attitudes are seeing WAY too many clients, but some of it has to do with the assholes who treat them like whores.  

For those guys - and you know who you are - PLEASE stop being assholes.  You are driving the good guys away from the hobby.  Thank you.

-- Modified on 12/3/2012 2:52:08 PM

She said "IF" she wanted to work as an indy, she would. No girl who works for an agency wants to give you a cheap rate behind their back if she is not making any MORE money off of you. That's just retarded. If she is only making say 2 from the agency and you're paying 4, I would say she might see a guy on the side for 300, but not the same 2 she is already getting from them. There is no incentive in that equation for her...only the guy, so why bother? The guy gets a cheaper rate and she has to do the same amount of work for the same amount of money...don't think so.

I know I'm special though :P

Umm...I think you are confused.
This isn't an alias. This is my TER handle. I did not even have VIP until today, so how could I have an alias?
This is the handle for the african american provider "Rose Hemwall". I actually read the thread you are referring too, and it was before I joined...

~Rose

That still doesn't change what I said. 2 guys a week may be low volume to you. Being in college gives me an awesomely flexible schedule. I'm a available 7 days a week. Doesn't mean I will see a guy everyday. But I could if I wanted to. I think someone who sees even 5 a week is low volume.

if she thinks I go around saying I love ALL of my clients...I have never said that. What I said was, the woman in the blog had this thought process and still made her clients feel she really enjoyed her work. Maybe that's what she was in a tizzy about lol. That I blew her hooker bs all to smithers. Um duh...no one knows who you are! I don't like every single client I have ever dealt with, and I doubt anyone does, but at the same time I am not fkin 10 guys a week. The less people you see, the less chance you have at running into more dipshits. I mean it's all about odds lol. If I were seeing 6 guys a day, every day, I would shoot myself.

-- Modified on 12/3/2012 5:51:38 PM

I would never see a girl with your "smallish" nature. AND I can smell pretentiousness from miles away.....you wreak of it

-- Modified on 12/3/2012 8:51:59 PM

Amazing people need to be told this several times, if that's the case

Some people were raised differently

It's got nothing to do with you.

It's all a load of crap.  30% she's not trafficked. the rate is 50%-60% to the provider.  Only she doesn't know what the agency might have to do, so she has to pay tax.

Re: You're AA? All this time I thought you were Chinese! eom

LMAO. I'm sorry, it's just...everyone always thinks this.
Even when I talk to other Chinese people on the phone, THEY think I'm Chinese. And then people see me and say "omg why are you black!". It's awkward.

I would like to think the relationship better than described.  One provider and I met only a couple of times - I traveled over 2000 miles to meet her - and it was everything I had hoped for.  I think that she honestly had a good time.  We met once again, and I realized that this was not to lead to a civie type relationship.  I realized that we were not gonna "date" move in together or get married - yea I get that.  But on the other hand, we didn't hold back either.  

Another lady I met, would call in the middle of the night - JUST TO CHAT!  If that lady was faking it, then it was the greatest performance since eve sold adam an apple.

That is the emotional side.   There is also the physical side.  Some ladies I've been with have all but passed out having an orgasm - not faked, real.  they act emotionally, drenched withsweat, and some physically roll their eyes into the back of their heads.... do you think that faked!???

Then there are most, they realize when I enter the room, i'm clean, on time, pay up front, and generally nice.  I don't like anal so nothing goes near there!  and am only interested in an hour of their time (Well, maybe more if I know the lady and we connect.)

Now, you tell me this is all false... bunk,   In every business you have some clients / customers you enjoy when the come through the door,  and then you have some jerks who you hate to see coming up the walk!  But all of them, every single one.... has green money.