I did a lot of glamor photography from about 1986-2001, with dozens of different models, about half of whom did porn.  I'm sorry to say that I paid them to work as models and that's all they did.  

That's not to say they didn't have their pussy or tits in my face all afternoon, but I never came on to them and they never came on to me.  Any serious photographer is as concerned about his reputation as any serious model is.  For the most part, they were very professional because they usually modeled as a side gig and  kept the two worlds apart (porn and modeling).

Now, I'm sure you can find plenty of amateur girls that would fuck you, and my GF's certainly did after I took pictures of them, but I think the pros usually act like pros.  Your reward is great pictures and some nice time spent with naked ladies, which isn't bad at all.

If you want to get laid, it's always best to seek women that are offering that service and not try to get it from your models.  I'm sure there are photographers that feel differently about it, but that's my experience.  

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if they do get some playtime, im going to college to study photography lol

I was wondering....Do most photographers get perks from the ladies. Maybe a little playtime or a lil freebie? I'm sure some do, and others probably don't. Just curious

~~~ Blaze

Both model and photographer are so tired in the end, last thing they want to do is "play".

Do you do "freebies" in your biz?

Lina

If the guy initiates the offer he's a POS pervert looking to get free sex.  No way she's letting some idiot screw her over that way.  If he's a real photog, she's all over peeling open her legs instead of her wallet.  It happens all the time and yes I've got the pictures to prove it.  It's also doubtful that any of the upstanding ladies here will admit to that.  They have platinum pussies and pay for all their nice stuff with the Gucci bag filled with Ben Franklins.

She turned me onto the photographer's site, and in my opinion she blows most if not all of the other shooters all to hell. I can't wait to see how they come out!

But knowing this lady, and what she confided in me as to what she told the photographer that she infact is a provider, the photographer just told her 'your money's green just like everybody else's', which I thought was cool as fuck.

I have taken photos for some providers as a favor (I am an amateur).  I did it for free, and I paid for the services I received after the photos were taken (no trading one service for another).  That showed that I was serious and that I respected their time.  I know I got more attention and less clock watching, and the women know I can be fully trusted.

If a provider hires a pro photog, then he should be a total pro.  If the woman offers a trade, fine. If she doesn't, he shouldn't ask.

Sy

So you have the pictures to prove it, and your an authority? I seriously doubt you have squat, much less photographic proof. Especially when you have to boast from behind an Alias about it. In fact I fail to see how photos prove anything was done on a trade but I am guessing you somehow can logically link them?

Some of the very best and well known erotic photographers are female. MeeShee, Tracy Yapp and others, and trust me they are just not interested in trading services for dollars. I am sure it happens, I am sure it happens enough, but for you to say " it happens all the time" is a statement you cant support from behind that Alias.

And for the record, I have always paid for my professional shoots in dollars, but would jump all over Tracy for a free shoot, or even discounted. She is so talented.

If they are both professionals, then I wouldvdoubt it.  The photographer takes pictures for money... And a lot of time and energy can got into a photo shoot.

It'll look great on your website.  Do you crop your pics or should I do that as well?  You pretty well proved my point when you said that you'd bone your photographer.  She may not have a dick of her own but I'm sure there's one in the drawer.  I didn't realize that you were an authority on how all web-whores get their pictures done.  I've taken all their pictures just as much as you've booked all their photo shoots.  I will freely admit that I closed up the darkroom quite a while back.  I enjoyed B&W far better but digital, silver prices and OSHA has made maintaining one not worth the hassle.

Dear Ms. Moore:
I find you to be a cerebral and engaging young woman and one day I truly would like the pleasure of meeting one day. Predicated on your aforementioned statement it seems that you have been fortunate to encounter photographers who have been above board in their practices and have not been unscrupulous.  However, I have referred girls to agencies in the past and I have had the proprietors say to me that if a girl doesn't have the money upfront then the photographer will take a session lieu of payment. You have been lucky to encounter such business minded people who have been unscrupulous in their practices.

Not all of us waste our money on over priced purses and accessories
Some of us play the stock market with it...:P

Freebies are just another word for marketing when free stuff is used to lure a customer in.  I even got a free cell phone when I signed up for service.

Last year when I was getting started mongering, while escorts.com was still going strong, I noticed that several providers listed in my area had similar looking galleries, apparently shot by the same photographer. Then I began to see new providers appear with galleries bearing the same look, all with similar ad copy and layouts.

Finally, I noticed a pattern with their EDC reviews. Within a few days of their EDC/ad debuts, their first review would get posted, always under the same handle. A couple of these providers later confessed to me what I suspected was going on (not that it took a Sherlock to grasp it). The dude was trading his photography and promotional services for sessions, then posting shill reviews.

Is it truly all so horribly corrupt? I'm not sure. What I think must have kept him from being exposed is simply that: A) His photos are very good (although they tend to make every girl look the same); B) Most providers he works with are good, not at all ripoffs; C) His reviews seemed pretty genuine, not misleading or overhyped; and, above all, D) He doesn't appear to be pimping or exploiting providers. After he helps them get set up, they're on their own.....unless they come back for a new set of photos, I imagine.

People will do freebies in the business world for someone who kicks them alot of business/sends over good referrals to them.

....I've taken some photos for ladies in the past, usually done in conjunction with doing some website work for them.  And it's always been a "trade services for services" sort of situation, which I really like.

I barter services in the "real world" whenever I can as well.

People who have never done a day of serious shooting have a lot of misconceptions about it.  But it's work for both the photographer and the model, that's why you pay them.

No matter how well organized you are, you're going to spend a lot of time messing with around with equipment, lighting and props, plus getting in and out of awkward positions to get the right shot.  I was always too worn out by the end of the day to think about sex.

I should add to my previous post, that I never photographed providers, so the subject of trade never came up.

...it sounds like there are as many different answers as there are people answering. Everyone does what works for them. Some barter some never would. Some might, some might not. etc.

..Sounds a little like "free enterprise" to me.. Folks ought to be able to barter and trade where they desire such. Trying to attach morals to a deal is problematic. As folks will see things based on their own past experiences and what they're exposed to in the media. Should they be foolish enough to let that kindof crap influence their lives.
As long as the folks involved in the deal walk away satisfied with it, what a buncha "armchair quarterbacks" think about it is irrelevant.. I barter and trade everywhere, and with whom I can.

..When I see the same page layout, pic style around here it's usually the same agency. Even tho some of the girls on them lay claim to independence.

..Are they really "shill" reviews if they're accurate and fair.. Sounds more like a kick-start to me. Somebody's gotta be the first one to "get up and dance". Elsewise the friggin sheep will just sit on their collective asses and watch.. Checks..

They are shill reviews no matter what the outcome.

Now your an authority of what will look good on my web site? We have a very large contingent of hobbyists on the board who I would love to weigh in on this subject. Would you care to point us in the direction of YOUR WEBSITE, with YOUR pics that YOU CROPPED? Just so we can get exposed to your artistic and free expert galleries? You already claimed to be an authority on web-whores and how they get their pics done, your words..." It happens all the time and yes I've got the pictures to prove it"  

I agreed with you saying it happens, I disagreed with you saying that it happens all the time. Now your crying? Let me get one of my softest pair of cotton undies to wipe away those man child tears. Hush Hush child I wont hurt you now just hold still.

I also said and still stand by my statement that you cant support your statement from behind that Alias. And unless you posed for Men in Tights magazine, I guarantee I have paid to be photographed far more times than you have. Other than the family portrait i doubt you have ever paid to have your photos taken. So there is no doubt I have more experience paying than you do. OMG let me get those panties again I see that chin quivering.

I absolutely made the point that I would have traded for her, she is hot!!

Ohhh and while many wont understand this, poor Cecil may. I spun many a drum of E-8 for my dad and printed Cibichrome like a pro before I could drive a car.

That's funny, neither am I (but I might if you asked nicely!).  Please let me know where I can purchase "Men in Tights" magazine.  I loved the movie and would probably enjoy it.  As for Cibichrome, I'm afraid you're dating yourself, but don't forget to let me know if you come to New York.  Your pix still look pretty damn good to me.  LOL!

My Grandfather got my Dad hooked and my Dad tried to get me hooked. It was too much work for me to call it fun. I think when you walk into a darkroom you really need to consider yourself close to an artist.

I was going to be in NY in October but had to cancel due to a death in the family. Now my schedule is totally wiped out maybe spring. I will bring tights and we can get Cecil to crop for a fee I am sure.

actually most of the photographers that have tried to do a shoot with me came right out, more or less, and said they wanted to "trade services"....photographers just might see more p***y than an ob/gyn!! Have i personally "traded services"? Nope..not to say I wouldnt one day. Depends on how hot the guy behind the lens is

I have no intention of sharing my portfolio with you.  If I wanted to tell you who I was I wouldn't have used an alias.  That's kinda the purpose, ya know?  Just to clarify, yup those dark rooms are, well, dark.  Had one in my home in addition to the office.  The majority of my photos were not nude models but fast moving vehicles.  Things like fighter jets (mostly Blue Angels), race boats and stock cars.  Lots of Ansel Adams type stuff too, although not nearly a tenth as good.  There were a few porn stars but only one that I wanted to bang.  Since I also edited video, looking at graphic sexual scenes for hours on end makes it quite boring.

Please tell me more about the panties you'll be using to wipe my tears.  Are they worn?  I'm thinking that I could peel some onions to work up a good cry if you're serious.  We can even film it if you'd like.  Your call if it's a paid shoot or if you want to trade.  

Ohhh I am sure we could film it, and I am sure your willing to trade. Alas I cant screen or get verifications on an Alias.

But if I had a dollar for every offer to film and or trade a shoot, gosh, I would have enough for breakfast at Hash-Hash-a-Go-Go. Which is to say that I don't get asked often, but enough to know I am not gonna break even on that deal.

Next Vegas trip I am getting the BLT, it looked divine.

I want Professional results, so I prefer to work with and shoot with professional photographers.   It's very important to feel comfortable in front of the lens, and if any personal comments regarding private time or private issues were brought up during the shoot, I would feel very uncomfortable, and maybe even a little  offended.  I have tipped many photographers in cash, but never anything else.   I am sure some people might though, and i wouldn't be surprised.  

Some places there's breakfast. And some there's BREAKFAST!

Hash-Hash-a Go-Go is one.

Resorts are alright. But off the Strip, there are definitely some gems.

Matter of fact, for dinner, Golden Steer. Fuck yeah!

Frankie ate there for fuck sakes...!