I just wrote a novella on the subject, and then realized that nobody would read it and I'd just get yelled at

So here's my bottom line -

1) Lie to your kids one too many times and you will lose all credibility with them forever. Keep in mind that, for some kids, one time is one too many.

2) Can you control everything your son does? If not, would you rather have him picking up street girls, or knowing how to meet a better class of women in relative safety?

3) Is there something wrong/bad/evil about paying professional providers for their "time" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)? If there is, why are you doing it? If NOT, why not introduce your son to a better way to enjoy this wonderful world (that he has already discovered)?

4) If your teenage/20 something son is making enough money to enjoy this hobby, then shut your mouth, he is doing fine

And now for the big one:

If I discover that my daughter is hooking:
(Presuming that she and I have a decent relationship; if not, then nothing I say will matter and there is no point getting involved)

1) She and I have a conversation about what she is doing and why
2) If there are problems around sex and intimacy, we mutually agree to get some therapy
3) If she just needs money, and doesn't really like it, I exhaust every means possible to keep her away from it and help her financially.
4) If she likes it and sees it as a lifestyle and professional choice, then I use every means possible to help her do it safely. Maybe I insist that I become her booker/driver/security for a year.

Yup, that's right. If I were convinced that my daughter were of "sound mind", I would drive her to a hotel to have sex with a stranger for money.

So take your best shot

for treating his daughter with the same equal respect he would give his son. Too many times there is this Grand Canyon sized chasm between what's good for the son vs what's good for the daughter. You will most likely be in the vast minority, but I am with you on all points.

... drop a piece of paper with TER's website address and a reminder about STD.

Otherwise, I would not discuss the hobbying with him.

Serpius

But you have to be kidding me. I'm not driving my daughter (the thought alone is fucked up)anyway I'm not driving her to a session. That is beyond disturbing  and I'm a pretty open minded person.

I think the only point I agreed with was offering to help her financially

Talk to them and keep them as safe as possible. Don't try to make decisions for them.

are not what I would ever date in real life. That is more because of the age difference and having nothing in common though..looks are subjective.

I'm just asking.

You would accept the fact that your son/daughter saw/was a   provider, but would not drive either to a session?

Are you saying that you would not accept either, and that's what you mean by 'equality'?

What I mean is, that assuming that my daughter is an intelligent adult, and that she has made a
lifestyle choice (which happens to also be a lifestyle I participate in), I will choose not to fight with
her, call her a whore, pretend she is not doing it, or turn my back on her.

I will support her just like I would in any other endeavor and do what is in my ability to keep her
safe and sane.

At the end of the day, I'm not sure if I want to hear any war stories from her,  but I do want to be able to have a drinks and dinner and conversation and holidays with her, and to love her just as much as I did when she was a virgin.

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If I found our that my  daughter who is 25  and gorgeous was providing....It is certainly within the realm of possibility although it is something that would have never even crossed my mind  before my own involvement in the hobby.  I would do everything I could to get her out of it but at the same time, if that failed, she us a mature adult who is  capable of her own decisions. i would do everything I could to continue to be a loving and be supportive father and to make sure that she were safe in every way.

Show him the boards, teach him how to choose wisely?

in my house or take her to get them just because I wanted to keep her safe lol. That is enabling, not supporting so I agree with your POV. Not shunning them is one thing, but actually playing a damn part in what they are doing is another. I can just see the reviews now saying, "Her daddy or mommy dropped her off." NOT!

For saving me all that typing! I was going to reply to this post, and would have said exactly what you did. A disclaimer though: I have no children, so some might say I don't really understand, but I would like to think I would feel the same way if I had kids. And I do have nieces and nephews and would do the same for them. I would add that if my daughter/niece was coerced/trafficked/pimped, I would do everything in my power to get her out including gettting myself locked up for murdering some scumbag. But if it was a concious decision and what she wanted to do, then I would do what I could to help her stay safe. I don't think I could bring myself to read her reviews though

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If she drank alcohol, smoked a little dope, or did a very occasional party drug, I would not go ballistic on her, but only encourage her to be cautious, and so on. How could I come down on her when I did those very same things until my mid-thirties or so. But if she got herself arrested, or in trouble at one of those parties, I would be by her side in an instant.

If she was using a drug that was going to destroy her, I would not encourage it, I certainly wouldn't drive her to a crack or meth house, and if it were at a critical stage I would kidnap her and do an intervention.

I don't consider using dangerous drugs to be on the same level as being a sex worker.

I, personally, don't believe that sex work is dirty, evil, bad, or morally repugnant. I believe that woman who do this are angels, heroes, lifesavers. I know I can't be openly proud of her in social circles, bragging about who, or how many she fucked this week, but maybe I wish I could.

Some people believe that a woman laboring at a low-paying, dead-end job is morally superior to one who is selling intimate time for a high hourly rate. I disagree. And just because I can't brag about my daughter's profession doesn't mean I can't support her, and love her - not in spite of it, but (at least partially) because of it.

My younger brother has two pre-teen daughters. Suddenly, the sick, twisted, perverted jokes that he and I used to share have become a little strained Of COURSE when a subject gets close to home, you start to see things in a different light.

And, if it seems like I am advocating leading our daughters into prostitution, that's not really my point
I would probably be against it, NOT because it is evil or dirty, but because of all the dangers. I would also, of course, advocate against her going into coal mining, high-altitude construction, nuclear power research, any military profession, teaching in an inner-city school, nursing in an infectious disease ward, police work, fire-fighting, psychologist for the criminally insane, or sales clerk at any woman's shoe sale, or any seven-eleven.

How would you feel if that happened after knowing you did not do anything to stop it, and went a step further to assist her? Unless you're in the room, you can't protect her. It is a sad day, when we are debating about kids on a fk board and thiat other thread is fukin insane. I am not about to tell you what to do in your own family, but I also won't let others tell me what I should think and feel about my own. It is really not an adult discussion, and that idiot should not have posted it to begin with.

I guess some people think because they choose to do something, they can't want better for their own children...I do not feel that way. If every single guy that came though my door was a guy I actually wanted to fk, I was never put in a position to be scared, and it were legal, that would be another story...far from the case. I would not suggest my daughter drink and drive just because I made that same mistake at 22. No matter how you dice it, some people want better for their children. My own parents want better for me, which is why they put up with my shit for so long, until one day it was enough. I have more respect for them because they did not enable me.


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If he is an adult, I rather show him the ropes than him fucked up.

The narcissism that prevails is sad.

If HE is determined to fuck skanks than yes i'd be obliged to show him the safest way

I tried posting this fom my phone but it just wasn't working right for me, so here it is.

I told you I agreed with you on only one thing, that I would help my daughter financially if that were the problem. I of course will always love my daughters and because I love them I would do everything I can to discourage the lifestyle. IT IS ILLEGAL. The same reason I would not support her selling drugs. I'm sure she could make a lot of cash selling cocaine as well. Is that something you would encourage too? Would you drive your daughter to her to her drug deals?

Don't misunderstand, I know what I'm doing as a hobbyist is illegal as well. And I enjoy the time I spend, but it is not something I could support any of my children doing.

Equality! I love my children equally, and I have raised them with the same morals. It's a do as I say, not as I do approach. No one knows what I do, I can tell you that my son would not give me a high five because I hobby. BTW he is in college and old enough to have already made this type of decision.

You can't make that comparison unless he were a male hooker. Most of the men in the hobby USE the women like they are just a fuck doll with a heartbeat.

I do not treat women that way, not in my civie life and not after I drop an envelope. I don't treat a hooker like a whore. I am greatful for the time I spend with a beautiful woman and because of it I get more than my fair share of OTC time. If I treated you like a piece of shit whore, would you see me again? Would you give me any OTC benefits? No you wouldn't.

Women have more to lose in this industry, so there is no way to make an apples to apples comparison.

First of all, you were responding to MY post about equality, saying you were all for it.
Then you say that "women have much more to lose in this industry than men".
- so you wouldn't react equally to your son or daughter being "in the hobby"

You make a clear distinction between hobbying and providing. After all, YOU do it, so,
heh heh, you've had some fun so it can't be all bad. But you wouldn't support your
SON doing it, because after all, it's illegal. And you'd go insane if your daughter
wanted to be a provider, because of course BEING a provider is bad, and VISITING
a provider is... heh heh... fun. A logical trifecta.

By the way, that provider you visit... was she a test tube baby, or is she someone else's daughter?

You obviously didn't read my post about drugs, just a couple of lines down... supporting my
daughter in her lifestyle choice of being a provider is different from supporting her using deadly drugs.
That's a stupid analogy. If you insist on using that analogy, then you damned well better point it at yourself - you visit providers, so you obviously don't mind breaking the law. I guess that means that you wouldn't mind robbing a liquor store to get the money to visit the provider, doesn't it?

Actually I responded to Saturnsky's post which was after yours.

Are you so dumb that you don't believe that women have more to lose. The big one pregnancy, we all deal with the posibility of STD's. A guy gets caught seeing a provider he gets a slap on the wrist from society. While the girl is outcast, the hidden life of providing out in the open there is no more PTA meetings for her. So tell me Mr. Logic is that equal to you?

I said I raised them EQUALLY with morals "a do as I say, not as I do approach"

Did not say I would go insane if my daughter wanted to be a provider. My exact words were not that being a provider is bad, but

Again do better research. I said all along of course I know these women are someone's daughter. I would bet their daddy's wouldn't drive them to their sessions. That is fucking sick. Maybe that test tube girl is your fantasy, you like them young huh?

Your post was about your daughter DOING drugs mine is about her SELLING drugs, just like selling pussy. Would you drive her to sell drugs, hell for that matter would you drive her to buy drugs?

I even say I know that what I do is against the law as well, so how could I support my son or daughter breaking the law.

Robbing a liquor store isn't a bad idea though, I like that one.

Again a do as I say, not as I do approach.

...Most of the men in the hobby USE the women like they are just a fuck doll with a heartbeat....one of the huge reasons I avoid men like this.

This is what I call the FDE...is so not GFE and probably not even PSE and there should be an extra category for that type of session. There will be women who don't mind that...GFE is not that at least as far as I am concerned.

So yes, in reality the son would have to be a male hooker. Point taken.