Apparently its like a client review website I guess you could say. Its a website providers can go to report flakes pimps etc.

How many women abuse it? And the answer is lot.  They make shit up and post on there ruining hobbyists' reputation and putting their family and professional life in danger.

Granted some people are assholes and need to be dealt with, but NBL really doesn't offer any way to validate what was reported was indeed what happened.  Anyone can post there anything about anyone.

Shit.. I can go in there and post shit about hobbyists and there would be no one stopping me...

Whats stops guys from saying bad things about a girl? Isn't it just as easy for a guy for trash talk a girl and give her a bad review because she didn't offer a service he wanted or give him more time for free or free service for a good review? I would think new girls in general would be more vulnerable to this as it could potentially completely ruin her before she even got started if the first review she has was a bad one.

would not do that. We have no interest in ruining anyone's livelihood, because we need you girls to satisfy our needs. One that do will be outnumbered by honest reviewers.  And giving a bad review is not the same as posting his real name and phone number on an open forum for the whole world to see..

Sorry but this game is for adults, and if one gets rattled so easily by a bad review or two, one shouldn't be in this business.

Alternatively, there is a whole industry out there that is disconnected from Internet. If you have the right contacts, you can make a living being an UTR escort. Its hard but not impossible.

Were there any reviews for Gov. Spitzer's hooker...Nope...



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the reason i was asking wasn't for anything like that just wanted to know for my sake and protection. but what is the best way to protect ur safety and ur time from bad clients or is screening pretty much it? are seasoned hobbyist normally ok with being screened no matter how new you are to the business?

It should be used only for dangerous clients, stalkers, bb seekers, time wasters, etc.

get help from some of the experienced ladies. Perhaps post on your local boards.

One way to screen potentials clients is through one or combination of following methods:

TER Whitelists
References from Providers
P411
Date Check
R2SK

But get help from other ladies.

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Whats the difference between a client that doesn't show up and a time waster? If a guy makes an appointment and fails show up and takes ur time waiting for him and making u lose money shouldn't he be reported so other girls know not to accept an appointment from him?

Sorry CrystalOStar,  not the case.  In fact, some providers have chilled our free speech.

There is pressure that low rankings given to providers will result in providers not seeing them.

Worse, a provider told me  there are providers that tell new hobbyist who give low rankings that other providers won't see them if they keep it up.  It might be a practical warning or a threat, but it seems to explain the inflation in high scores.  A newbe PM me fearful about it.  Wanted to know if it was too late to change.

The two are similar, but here's how I see it:

A time waster would be someone who has no intention of seeing you at all and is just stringing you along the whole time. Think endless texts, emails, calls, or purposely sending you off to an outcall hotel he isn't even at.

A "no show" may have intended to see you but decided at the last minute to cancel. I agree with you that a "no show" does waste a lady's time but it may not have been done deliberately.

I suppose the difference between the two is how deliberate and intentional the action was.

I just feel that the national blacklist should be reserved for more serious offenses as mentioned on their site (not to say that wasting a lady's time isn't an issue).

It's really up to you how intentional the client was in wasting your time and whether or not he followed up and/or apologized.

Plus the whole real information deal.

That site requires nearly a court order to remover your name and encourages us to sue you to get it. Read the FAQ for proof. Many men will not give screening information because of that site. No one deserves there whole life destroyed over a NCNS and that is what tat site does.

As in giving low ranks fairly or unfairly? If a guy is giving low marks consistently isnt that a sign of an asshole? Like nothing makes him happy or he has outrages standards? But if the girl does sub-par service and hes being intimidated by having his hobbying career at risk unless he lies and gives better marks thats another thing.

That is exactly what that site does and nothing more it outs people. There are blacklists that are not public so they don't out guys to their wives. Email me at [email protected] for a list as I do not have VIP at this time.

No I am not on a blacklist. Time wasters and NCNS are part of every business. It is a fact of life.

M & G (Meets and Greets) are great way to increase your network.  If you live in the city that has M & G, then get screened and go for it.

People who go to these events are screened as long as some whacko is not running the show. For more info, check the Meet and Greet board.

Wow I thought that site was just a phone number look up. Are all you guys saying on that site a lot (if not most all) the girls on that site post EVERYTHING they have on the guy from the screening info they got?

I have been blackmailed out of reviewing when I told her I was going to give her a 8/8. Some ladies are psycho. Ladies do have recourse about reviews. TER does listen (maybe too much) NBL give no recourse and tells us to sue the poster if it is a lie.

take advantage of that and blacklist for stupid things. Unless a guy stalks you, robs you, rapes you, or posts your real info all over the place, he should not be on a blacklist site. Then again, if a guy is dumb enough to give out his info. and do stupid shit over and over, well sorry but he is too dumb to be seeing hookers.

But public sites ate not about protecting anyone. You need not even misbehave to find yourself on the list. Hello I can blacklist my business rivals just to put them off there game and it would be permanent.

Hi London,

...who once vouched for a woman that, unfortunately, i was unable to see @ that time!! Other well established reviewers, even an agency, have vouched for him!! I was surprised to see him on the NBL!! So far it's a he said/ she said  thing, because I've only seen him once on the list!! One never knows w/ those public outing sights!

Damn sure he would be on there...luckily I don't deal with assholes like that...yes ccpa, I am mentioning my "special" non-hobbyists.

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slam ladies that won't do what he feels he is entitled to. Reviews can ruin a ladies business. And those reviews are public for every prospective guy to read. we can't "review" a hobbyist so the blacklist sits are our way of letting others know who is a jerk and who costs us money.

You don't want to end up on a black list site...behave like a respectable human being and treat the escort like you would want to be treated.

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A guy does not have to rape me in order to get on that list. If I got raped, a black list would be the least of his worries. Rough, disrespectful, shorting, are some of the reasons I would place a guy on that list. I have added 2 guys on that list and they both deserved it in spades.

Lesson number 1...don't be an asshole and you have nothing to worry about

Sorry but if you try and refute a bullshit review some ladies have been completely delisted. Look I know you have beef with the black list site. Some ladies have used it unfairly but that is all we have. You guys can destroy us in reviews. If both sides acted like responsible adults we would not need either. But I guess there are assholes on both sides.

i could not agree more..just plain good old fashioned civility goes a long way..it seems to have gone out of fashion with a lot of these self centered so-called hobbyists..

WOW.  I'd heard of NBL but had never really looked over it closely.  Whomever is running this site sounds like they have a huge chip on their shoulder.  It almost sounds like something one of those whacked out neofeminist abolitionist types would come up with....you know, the ones who think that all sex workers are victims of some patriarchal conspiracy.

This was definitely not created by someone who has the best interests of escorts in mind.  Ladies - I would stay far, far away.  

From their FAQ section:

"Actually if you really cared about your wife, family, and career you wouldn’t be seeing escorts in the first place. So grow up and realize where your real responsibilities lie. As a man, it is your job to protect your name, your reputation, your family, and your career. That's what real men do, they act like mature men of character and integrity, they put their wives, their families, and their careers first, and they refrain from engaging in activities like prostitution that could harm their reputations, hurt their relationships, destroy their families, and ruin their careers. "

"We could be catty and suggest that this is something you should have thought of before you decided to see escorts"

"We were recently contacted by a hobbyist who happened to share the exact same name as his father, and when you Googled his name, he was worried that the post on Blacklist would bring shame to his father. While that is a possibility, he should have thought about that before hand, that his actions in seeing and mistreating escorts might bring shame on his name, and innocently upon his father."

THEN they advise people to contact the FBI!  Really?  When some guy really does do this, NBL is going to give YOUR info to the feds as being the one who posted it!  They obviously have zero integrity whatsoever.

You do with us.

If you want to make the playing field level, then give us your REAL name and information, so we can screen you, too.

Let's be honest...outing a provider's work name and work email is a lot different than outing a client's real name and employment info.

If you think the playing field is level...you are crazy.

Neither is okay as far as I'm concerned, unless that person has truly caused you harm.

Thus outing them and destroying there life. The site brags about this. It is the sites aim. To brow beat guys into submission. Some assholes need it. But often It is a sledge hammer when a finishing tool is what is needed. No need to out over the small stuff but look at that site most of the outed are outed oven exactly that.

be an asshole and you deserve what you get. You guys walk into a ladies in call or hotel, slap her silly and walk away. If you have given her your real info, you are less likely to act like that and if you do, you deserve all you get.

It had things that she could prove was false and the review was pulled no issues what so ever. I have known of more than one lady to get a review pulled. Hell some of them was honest reviews.TER will hear you out, they may not always act but they let you make you case. That is hell of a lot more than that site.

But since there are plenty of BSC girls out there, you gotta wonder why you would give up your name to a girl.

Of course, what you state is obvious, but I wonder how women would react if we also had their private and personal info.

Cry me a fucking river..if you treat her anything less, then deal with it!. Quit crying about it.  And to the ladies, quit seeing guys who won't  give real info...they only want to give bogus shit because they have another agenda..be it time wasting or ripping you off. The two assholes I put on there, one wanted bareback and kept trying to take the condom off and the other one sent me threatening emails because I refused to see him.

Again, don't waste our time or be an asshole..you guys have reviews to slam us,,we have this board...deal with it!

It is the FAQ over and over again. This site is not a friend to providers.

If I were truly harmed by a patron, I would not need National Blacklist to out them.  Wordpress is free and keywording is easy.  Hypothetically, if someone were to rape me I could create them their very own website titled "Joe Schmo Is A Rapist" and if I did it properly it would be the first thing to come up in a Google search of "Joe Schmo".  

I don't give anyone the opportunity to short me, and if anyone were to continue rough or disrespectful behavior after being politely asked to stop I would have no problem ending our time together.  If someone purposely removes a condom - our time together is over - with no refunds.  Period.  Someone sending threatening emails is just a complete idiot as the emails themselves are evidence.  You obviously screen your clients well - tell the asshole that you're going to forward the emails to his work or his wife if he doesn't stop his BS.

I don't put up with any crap either but there are better ways to protect oneself, IMO.  I don't think that NBL is operating under any standard of ethics whatsoever and I have no desire to support this by using them to handle an issue which I can handle just as well on my own.  As I said - if a guy does get the police involved, NBL will hand the cops your "anonymous" info in a heartbeat.

I guess you can treat hobbyist like you wish to be treated and you have nothing to worry about. I mean there is no BSC men or women in this hobby. But if that is true why will you not even post your own provider name let alone your real name? Could it be not everyone one ether side of the envelope behaves? We can not out you in reviews, we can't. It is not the same and you know it. I have been blackmailed, robbed, and upsold in this hobby. I know not all escorts are good sane people. Not all hobbyists are as well.

I would oppose a review site that out ladies real info. They exist. But I want no part of them as I do treat the ladies as I would want my wife treated which is better than I expect to be treated. I do give real information. But not every person is respectful honest or decent. Women or men and that is what you fail to understand. Would you want me to out your real information if I was stood up by you? No? then why do you defend a site that whole purpose is to do just that? What ever happened to treating others how you wish to be treated?

BTW TER does not allow NCNS reviews or time waster she emailed me reviews yet never seen me or any of that crap I see listed time after time on that site. If that was only true about that other site.

I an not on that site. So it isn't personal. I think that site hurts both men and women. My wife is in this game. She works at a brothel so not quite the same. I do not hate all blacklists just the ones that destroy lives over a NCNS that may or may not have happened. I believe you need sites you can warn others about a guy slipping off a condom or making threats. IF that site had safeguards at least up to TER standards and limited what could be posted I would think different but as it is that site is a menace. Just like a certain leaks site that outs providers.

Believe me - I have zero tolerance for guys who abuse escorts in any way, shape, or form.  I support blacklists and I support outing in certain situations.  

Due to the criminalization of this industry, information sharing and ostracization are the only tools we have with which to protect ourselves.  Misusing them diminishes their effectiveness and harms everyone involved.  Whoever is running NBL ought to be ashamed of themselves.

But there are plenty of BSC people who do this.  I just got PM'd by someone who accused me of something despicable.  He referenced two girls, who I contacted, and even THEY told him that he was wrong and got me confused with someone else.

I confronted him on that, and instead of apologizing, he offered some half-hearted, shameful, "Let's just agree not to talk to each other again," followed by a "fuck you" when I said I needed to hear an apology and an acknowledgement in writing that he was wrong.

Because who knows how many other people this loonbag told?  So now others think that I was some lunatic out guilty of the things I was accused of.

In a perfect world, I agree with you.  But unfortunately, a few rotten apples ruin it for everyone else.

Some ladies will use that site.  We need a place to put guys who not only rape, murder and rob but those who are actually shitty hobbyists. Could you imagine you could only review a women if she robbed or beat you? Look none of it is perfect but I am sure I saved some valuable time not seeing a few guys because someone was looking out for the rest of us and placed an unsavory character on a board.

And provider only boards are NOT the answer. they are frequently visited by hobbyists because some idiot  escort thought it cool to let him in there and because you have to use your real stage identity, you get targeted for reporting a db.

Sometimes crappy all round but we have all dodged bullets using some reporting site, be it reviews or a bad hobbyist list.

However whatever happened to looking  out for  each other the way hobbyists do with reviews? I would like a place to put a guy that was rough or pushed limits AFTER being asked to stop. So others know of his behavior. Same way the guys can report a lady that up sells in a review.

Something like that is needed...although again I do NOT think NBL is it.

Let's look at it from a standpoint of economics.  There is some market demand for such a system to exist within the provider community.  The question is - when will that demand become great enough that someone will step up and create something to fill it.  I'm not sure we're quite there.

This place exists because there is sufficient demand on the guys' side - but there's also a lot more motivation on their end of it.  They're the ones who are paying us and they don't want to waste their money.  

On the girls' end....it may still be too easy to make some sort of money as an escort without investing much thought or energy into it all.  For something like you're talking about to be really useful it would have to be widely accepted amongst escorts as a whole (like this place is for the guys).  Do you think the overall demand is high enough at this point?  I'm honestly not sure.  There's still a lot of fly by night escorts around...but that is changing as competition becomes greater, and as consumers get smarter.

Does any of that make sense?

As you mentioned there are provider only boards - which have been overall unsuccessful.  Why?

Is it because there isn't enough interest?  Is it because they aren't private enough and ladies are worried about possible consequences for using them?

Or - here's an interesting one - are they too private?

Also - of course - providers of most services do not "review" their customers.  That's not to say it can't be done or that it wouldn't work.  Perhaps it would improve the industry for everyone - or not.  Who knows...but the concept is obviously quite non-traditional.

Thoughts?

Not sure if I can say it here (providerbuzz) and it allows anonymous posting of nasty guys.

To answer your question as to why provider only boards don't work is that they are compromised more often than not by stupid escorts who think giving their ATF an insight into our private world will help them in some obscure way. And most provider only boards require you to be under your stage name...hence if I went there and said fidiot was an idiot, all would know it was me. And then some stupid providers would gossip that shit around and well you know the rest.

What I find pathetic and unnerving is the the women of this and many other industries will more than likely stab you in the back than be a cohesive group....there is no solidarity, okay a smidge but when it counts, it's rarely there.

The guys all band together here. I think there is something in a woman's dna that prevents her from being able to do that.

I am all for a review site of sorts for the guys....ONLY giving details on the things that matter...hygiene, boundaries, on time, nc/ns...things that would matter to another lady. Not his performance or anything like that.

I can hear the collective groans from the guys...you have references for that...yeah the last three I contacted just said yeah I saw him, he's okay. That tells me nothing. Her okay could be my nightmare. She might have no problem being fucked into the mattress, and I do. Again, another example of the ladies not helping each other for fear of their precious clients going somewhere else for a change.  And many ladies don't give references for that very reason.

Things will stay the same,  no get worse actually. Things have changed in the last 10 years and they will keep changing till there will no decent ladies in this business because they wont be able to deal with what is required.

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This business has certainly changed over the past ten years, and it will continue to change just as markets always do.  Girl shit on the other hand always stays the same LOL

I don't know what the right answer is here, and I'm so exhausted this evening that I can't even speculate with any real level of creativity.  But change can be a good thing

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