I remember when August Ames and Dahlia Skye passed. Those were very tough to hear about as I was big fans of both as well as Jesse. Too many lost lives, way too young. Yes, RIP Jesse Jane. Nice post QB.
I’m seeing way too many people dying way too young due to drug overdoses. My heart & prayers go out to their loved ones and families it hurts. RIP Jesse Jane
I remember when August Ames and Dahlia Skye passed. Those were very tough to hear about as I was big fans of both as well as Jesse. Too many lost lives, way too young. Yes, RIP Jesse Jane. Nice post QB.
to insure survival of the human race. Intelligent people who make good decisions pass their favorable genetics on to future generations, whereas the idiots who make bad decisions reach an early demise before they have a chance to breed. Just a little dose of reality for all of the, "Gee, that's too bad" crowd.
While doing drugs is a bad decision, it is not an indicator of overall intellegence. There are some very smart people in our world who were once addicted to drugs and made it out. Any one of them could have OD'ed. In fact, there are people who did OD who did things to prove their intellegence before passing. And there are some real dumbasses who never had a drug problem. I've met quite a few of them. Your statement is not only wrong, but rather insentative to someone who just lost her life and those who cared about her. May she rest in peace.
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The REAL guy behind CDL would NEVER mock a person who just died. Never! You see Zeel, he has to write things as evil as his last post to throw people off, so the caring, good, sweet man that he really is doesn't get outed. smh
the truth. You can hide your eyes from the "evil" if you want, but it doesn't change reality. Sorry, but I have no compassion for idiots that off themselves by a drug overdose. I have some extended family members who went this way, and I thought they were idiots BEFORE they died from it. They go through life making bad decision after bad decision.
Granted, you can make an argument that some are victims, and their parents are to blame for not teaching them right from wrong, but I would counter with that is all the MORE reason to end the line of bad genetics. Whether it's low intelligence or lack of personal responsibility and self-control, do you really want offspring to keep inheriting those traits?
that depression is a common, serious mental disorder? And it has nothing to do with a person’s intelligence, or whether they know right from wrong, or whether they lack personal responsibility?
The usual way out for depressed people is suicide, a different, but just as effective, way to weed out bad genetics in future generations. Life is a gift, and anyone who doesn't make the most of it and live each day like it's their last doesn't deserve to continue on. It's unfortunate when they make the bad decision to have offspring before cashing in their chips, in which case the bad genetics will hang around for another generation.
....a "gift" from whom?
I absolutely do not want to start an argument about Evolution (which you previously seemed to support until this "gift" remark) vs. Creation......but whenever I hear this euphemistic descriptor thrown about, I always ask......
It's a logical question....."gift" implies a giver. I then ask, well what about the people born in Ethiopia or Sudan, what kind of "gift" were they given? A baby born in war torn Ukraine? How about someone born with down's syndrome....when did that "gift" get selected, and who selected it? And finally, who can I thank for this gift of a life adorned with 4 wheels, 25 broken bones, over 30 surgeries, more scars than Al Capone but with a brain that fully comprehends it all?
Life, in reality, is chaos & chance & luck to a very large degree....we do have SOME control over things and can definitely influence how our lives turn out by the choices we make, and how we choose to act, every single day. But you cannot dismiss the fact that we humans are subject to a myriad of forces and factors over which we have no choice, and no real control.
Jesse Jane and her BF could have and (obviously) should have chosen NOT to snort that Fentanyl-masquerading-as-Coke, but clearly something had happened in their collective decision making that indicated "DO IT".....for whatever reason(s) their brains screamed for a dopamine flood at that moment in time, only instead their opioid receptors were overflooded (combined no doubt with the effects of some alcohol) and their respiratory system shut down. That's biology.....
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they did, they did by CH0ICE. I look at gifts from the perspective of the recipient, not the "giver". Givers often have an agenda. Anonymous gifts are the best, and that's what I consider life to be. The most honest gifts are those where no "thanks" is expected, and you owe it to yourself to appreciate the gift without guilt or feeling it's necessary to shower the giver with appreciation. That just makes it awkward.
Life is not the same for everyone, but in my opinion, living and breathing, and having the opportunity to do good for others beats the alternative regardless of what kind of infirmity someone has. During Covid, I helped over a dozen providers I know well with their rent. (They all paid me back except one, and many gave me a free session or two as "interest" which I tried to refuse, but they insisted, and yes, it was sometimes awkward.) I would have done this even if I was bedridden and had only a few months to live. Carpe Diem, regardless of what your individual circumstances are.
Anonymous gift, also implies SOMEONE behind the gift.....someone who wants to remain anonymous....
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you don't have to wonder about the motives of the giver, i.e., are there strings attached? Is an obligation created if you accept? Are you going to be called on to perform a service for your "Don" in the future, even though that day may never come, or what? Many people who give gifts are expecting something in return. If the giver is anonymous, there is no expectation that the recipient is on the hook for anything. Most people have accepted a gift sometime in their lives that they wish they hadn't. Maybe you now have a BFF who you wish you didn't. Lol
Have you ever heard of a monger giving an anonymous gift to a provider? I haven't. It's because the giver is expecting something in return. An anonymous giver expects nothing, not even a "thank you." For them, all the joy they need is in the giving.
?? Again I ask, WHO is the anonymous giver you keep referencing....He/she/It is responsible for every person's life who ever existed, if your argument is to be held valid.....and also, again, I am neither arguing for or against either creation or evolution. If you honestly don't know then just say so, because, neither do I......
And by the way.....
... these dozen "in need" providers & their rent money....
WHY did otherwise responsible (good-"choice"-making) providers wind up so desperate after Covid that they couldn't pay their rent for a few months until all those checks form TRUMP started going out to everyone? DId they make the choice to blow all their money on shoes before COVID showed up, and reminded all of us of our mortality and how insignificant we are as individuals in the grand scheme of things? Were these providers choosing to fail to pay their taxes and thus got passed over or had their Covid assistance checks intercepted by the IRS?
And why didn't these 12 providers avail themselves of the BOAT LOAD of assistance that was available to ALL renters everywhere, to protect them from Landlords seeking to evict them? I know of a lot of people (some fairly well off) who paid zero rent for the 99 weeks following COVID's outbreak in March 2020 simply because the US government is hell bent on bankrupting the country by 2050 and went wayyyyy overboard in "helping", thus sparking the absurd inflation we've seen the last 2 years.
And if some one accused YOU of being an addict because you happen to "choose" to see providers 3 times a week, week after week, what's your response? (I'm NOT saying you ARE a sex addict, but the perception can easily be construed by anyone that you MIGHT be....that's a shit load of transactional sex.....which, again, is the same part of the brain as drugs, booze, food, gambling etc. 
FInal thought....there are MANY far more worthy endeavors and charities than providers who fail to plan for contingencies......I would even bet that, if you devoted a decent sum of money to something like Animal Humane Societies or St Jude Childrens Hospital, A LOT more than a dozen providers would think better of you....not to mention yourself.
And remember, before you even think this is me lecturing from some soap box of superiority......I'm the idiot who paid a 60 year old advertising as 40+ 2 grand for a "date" because I didn't know how to properly vet....I'm the dolt who cannot get past HIMSELF to allow a beautiful woman to be with me in my twilight years.......in other words, I am not saying I'm better than you by asking these questions...quite the opposite.....I have faults and weaknesses aplenty, more than anyone here......I'm trying to help you help yourself have more real happiness and joy.....you can't have the views you have about addiction and unforeseen forces in life and be a happy person..... it just doesn't work.
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When you pack "20 questions" and several different topics into one post, it makes it difficult for anyone to respond to it in a reasonable amount of time. I thought you would get it when the last time, I picked ONE topic you mentioned and responded only to that. These long posts on several topics at once make it look like PUI. Several posters have given you a TLDNR response previously. Why not take it as constructive criticism? Here are just a few highlights I have time for . . . .
1. The whole point of an anonymous gift is that you DON'T know who the giver is. I don't know how to make
2. Covid rental assistance programs mostly started in January, 2021, for both California and by the US Treasury. However, there was a moratorium on Evictions in CA in June 2020 applied RETROACTIVELY to March 1, 2020, but did not address the accumulation of back rents. During March through May 2020, nobody, including providers, KNEW what was coming, IF ANYTHING, in the way of relief. If you had actually been talking to providers in real time during these few months, you would know that there was nothing at that time in place to help them.
3. When I was married, I typically had sex about 5 times a week, and when I unexpectedly became a widower, I found that I could not sustain this level of sexual activity through conventional dating, so I turned to P4P and CUT BACK A LITTLE ON THE FREQUENCY. During the ensuing 17 years, there have been time periods where I went weeks (mostly while traveling internationally on business) with no sexual activity at all without any withdrawal symptoms. How does that make me an addict in your world?
Don't worry, until you have been here ten years and seen over 500 providers, I would not think you were "lecturing me from a soap box of superiority." Your statement that there was a BOAT LOAD of assistance in the early months of Covid is complete poppycock, but I'm a free-speech advocate, so you are entitled to your opinion, even when wrong. Lol
P.S. I'm already a significant donor to the largest Children's hospital on the West Coast, and except for dogs, cats and horses, I mostly consider animals to be food. Any other advice for this poor sinner? Lol
Take it as a compliment, I figured if anyone could handle one of my missives, it would be an intelligent, superior worthy-of-breeding person such as yourself. And other than this recent thread, I have cut back......plus, a few people have told me they LIKE and enjoy what I write/post and to not pay any attention to those who can't read more than one paragraph without their head hurting.....
Just go back and re-read everything YOU wrote in this thread regarding ADDICTION....you are completely talking out of your ass on that topic. It is a DISEASE that has little to do with willpower and intelligence. Your ignorance, and callous mean-spirited bullshit is what prompted everything else.....I could care less if you bought every whore in california a new porsche, you just did not need to add this self-congratulatory/self aggrandizing detail (your provider rental assistance program) while completely eviscerating and denigrating people who are really ILL and in bad straights (addicts.)
by people who have a weak constitution and no will-power. I have known hundreds of alcoholics and smokers in my lifetime, every one a hardened addict, who quit cold turkey once they realized their self-centered indulgence was harming their family members. I have known hundreds more that needed a little nudge through an intervention, spent a few weeks in rehab, and never went back to their addiction. You can give addicts a pass by CALLING it a "disease", but unlike REAL diseases, which can be passed from one person to another biologically, you'll have to show me where anyone became an alcoholic merely by going to a gathering where they claim they were "infected" with alcoholism by other alcoholics. Explain to the board how you "catch" an addiction from someone else. It's funny how those that don't like hearing the truth call out others for telling it as "mean-spirited and callous." Reality is sometimes a bitch, but hiding from it, or making excuses, is a sign of weakness.
This was a rookie deflection on your part. You called out providers for accepting my financial help, and then when I responded with facts proving your BOAT LOADS of help statement was complete bullshit, you personally attack me by way of a complete meltdown. Do you see the irony in YOU calling out providers for not having sufficient financial reserves to weather a three-year pandemic that no one knew was coming? This is not the last time you will be made a fool of by what you say. It happens to all of us. Disproving your false statements is NOT a personal attack on you, and if you are going to post here, that is the first thing you should learn. The solution to responding to someone who proved you didn't know what you were talking about is NOT to attack them, but to find out what you might not know about a topic you are not an expert on BEFORE you write about it. Finding out AFTERWARD that you didn't know shit doesn't help. Just some friendly advice.
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You know what you can do with your friendly advice right?
This guy apparently is smarter than every healthcare provider in the world folks....how about that?
Every world health organization, every doctor, every mental health specialist, all of them know Addiction is a disease.....but this guy here, he knows better. Oh He's known HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of people who by sheer will power overcame their poor choices to become an addict ..... which begs the question....."how would he know?" since he doesn't associate with, and has such disdain for such people in the first place.....
It's a scientifically proven medical fact, alcoholism is at least 50% genetic....look it up while you're writing your next rent subsidy to your favorite ........whatever.....
There was MEGA_SUPER_DUPER_FUCKIN HUGE amounts of assistance to anyone that needed it during COVID; what's more, explain to the board exactly which court a landlord could have dragged one of your 12 special girls and had them evicted (after undergoing the long and arduous process to actually get to court) in the first 9 months after covid.....
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You're just figuring out now what most here already knew....SMH
Yeah, actually I would like to meet this person to verify that he is in fact Human because there's some basic shit missing inside of him that most "normal" people feel and know at least on some level ...and to tell him he needs help, REAL HELP of the professional type....(notice I said normal people, I did not say GOOD people....that's an entirely different class of people, genuinely GOOD people, I'm certainly NOT one of them...but there are basic elements of empathy and concern for fellow humans that people are born with, a "conscience" if you will..........it's what ensures "the survival of the species, or the Human Race", this concept that he keeps twisting to embellish his own cavalier quasi-superior existence;
The human species survives because we have basic concern for other fellow humans...it's self-evident throughout nature and the animal world: example----A herd of Elephants (one of the most INTELLIGENT of all non-Human species) will surround the young and infirm and sick members of the herd to protect them and allow them a chance to recover, and only abandon the very old and sick when the battle is hopelessly lost.....they NEVER abandon a calf) Whales, dolphins, porpoises and many other species likewise exhibit similar basic, bare minimum, collective concern for everyone in the group.
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Not that any of this seems related to the goal of happy sexual interactions on a tranactional basis.
You might want to look at http://www.jsad.com/doi/abs/10.15288/jsa.1986.47.63 regarding your claims about alcholoism. You might also want to look at debate around the increasing use of the term disease and the positive correlation with classifing conditions as disease and the amount of public money the industry related to the condition recieve.
As for your posting, be you. Sometimes I'll read some times skim and sometimes skip. These days I largely skip most of the threads but that's largely because little new is discussed and few new insights or perspectives on all the old topics seem to be present.
Thanks Jensen I appreciate the sentiment. YOUR reply is intelligent and well thought out and respectful.....
I read the JSAD link you provided.....it's interesting indeed.....I would counter (respectfully) that it is dated 2015.....a lot has changed in the last decade in thinking and understanding regarding addiction/alcoholism as a disease....and certainly Treatment has changed & evolved dramatically too....the death toll from the opioid crisis sent research into overdrive and we're now, finally reaping the benefits.
Medication assisted treatment for Alcoholism and Opioid dependence/addiction has shown GREAT promise in controlling the disease to prevent death. The fact that people do so much better now with medication assisted treatment supports the notion that Addiction is first and foremost a disease...and these medications are not simply replacing one addiction with another.
medication assisted treatment for depression, too, and it's permanent. One single dose, and the depression is gone forever. Lol
You still don't understand the difference between a disease and a condition. A disease is biologically transferable from one person to another, while a condition is not. Those with limited education may "call" it a disease in order give those with an addiction condition a way top argue they are not responsible for their bad choices. A disease must be something you can "catch" biologically. Otherwise, it's a condition. Next, you'll be saying depression is a disease, too, because you "caught" it when your dog died.
I'm not a doctor but your blabbering about disease and condition is just wrong and not based on anything. Autoimmune diseases are not biologically transferrable. Cancer is a disease that is not biologically transferrable. Heart disease is not biologically transferrable. Rickets is a disease that is not transferrable from person to person. Not all diseases are caused by a pathogen that can spread from person to person, only infectious diseases are.
You're just making up complete bullshit to try and win an internet argument you've already lost. It takes five minutes of google searching and reading to prove you are just full of shit. This is why nobody takes you seriously.
BOO-YAH! props to the 420 smoka' ..... good job sir!
The aforementioned ignorance of the previous poster is both glaring, and absolutely preposterous....it is, as you said, a feeble attempt to win a pointless internet flame war ....basically, this poster simply says "I win this argument because I said.....I win this argument." Of course, the rest of us grounded, reasonable, respectful human beings KNOW there really is no winning or losing with debates such as this about topics such as this.....it really is a matter of personal experience and belief.
This poster accuses people of doing exactly what he himself is doing....i.e. deflecting and covering up his profound lack of real knowledge and understanding about what he is trying to post.....again, any reasonable honest intelligent person see's right through the bullshit and recognizes those of us here with real intelligence and empathy, etc.
Which medical schools did you flunk out of?
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"You still don't understand the difference between a disease and a condition. A disease is biologically transferable from one person to another, while a condition is not." - WRONG. Cancer is a disease. Most (~90%) cancers are sporadic and not inherited or transferred from one person to another. Most heart disease is non-communicable or inherited; in most cases it evolves from life-style, diet, and other choices (smoking). And on and on.
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Some abnormal psychological states are diseases and some are conditions. The distinctions can change with improvements in diagnosis. By your definition, if a symptom has no known biological origin, the patient has a condition. As soon as a test reveals the biological origin of that symptom, the patient now has a disease, not a condition.
medication assisted treatment for depression, too, and it's permanent. One single dose, and the depression is gone forever. Lol
You still don't understand the difference between a disease and a condition. A disease is biologically transferable from one person to another, while a condition is not. Those with limited education may "call" it a disease in order give those with an addiction condition a way top argue they are not responsible for their bad choices. A disease must be something you can "catch" biologically. Otherwise, it's a condition. Next, you'll be saying depression is a disease, too, because you "caught" it when your dog died.
This is CDL's MO. He gives out misinformation in a highly authoritative way, hoping he can pull the wool over someone's eyes. Then he gets called out for it. Then he slinks away, giggling.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Ad nauseam.
I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of his reviews are made up. Most of his reviews sound like penthouse letters. He only reviews foreign-born providers with limited English who work at agencies (aka the kinds of providers who can't read/challenge their own reviews). He comes on the board here and says stupid things that are out of sync with my experiences paying for sex. He contradicts himself constantly. He posts shit that is easily disprovable and tells stories about himself that strain credulity. He's a fabulist and a liar.
NO reviews. Name one girl I have seen that you have also seen, and tell me what I got wrong in the review. I'm usually the guy who is correcting the misinformation in the profile in the first paragraph of my reviews. You're just slinging bullshit because you have no experience and are just a lurker. If you have reviews, put some of them under your alias. It's allowed. We know Robert is a legit monger because he has reviews under the alias he uses. You have nothing and then you want to make conclusions here like you know something. You're real piece of work.
This is typical of these types of personalities....you LOST this battle last week, so you think "Well I'll just bump this shit when no one is looking, sling some rocks, and then run and hide behind some skirt..."
Why would you wait 8 days to try to counter 420s eviscerating post? It's like you're being owned all over again, can't you see that?
I'm also never going to post a review, my apologies to all the people who feel I'm "betraying" some code or community rule..........that's horseshit. Same goes for 420smoka, if doesn't want to review, move along, it's his choice.
My memories are MINE and the woman's....I'm sure MANY people feel the same way.
Post or don't post. Review or don't review. But saying stupid shit that is clearly based on limited knowledge (neither you nor the poster you're supporting have been on the board that long) is not making your case look very good.
Yes, CDL can be an abrasive and obnoxious persona. That's what he does. But I've seen enough comments from him about providers I've seen to have confidence he is not making most of it up. I've also seen enough comments about girls I've not seen but come to the area and get reviews in line with those comments from reviewers I know how to evaluate that confirm the statements.
...I agree with you that, with respect the reviews HE DOES in FACT DO, they are accurate.....There is nothing to refute what CDL states about the girls he reviews.
But kindly point out to me the "Stupid shit" you accused me of saying.....
I only supported the option and choice to NOT post reviews here on TER
"so you think "Well I'll just bump this shit when no one is looking, sling some rocks, and then run and hide behind some skirt..."
Why would you wait 8 days to try to counter 420s eviscerating post?"
Why make up something about what's in someone elses head when you really have not been around long enough to really understand his personality? Who knows why people are slow to respond and does it even matter?
420s post was hardly "eviscerating" given it attacked the credibility of his reviews, and then here you're saying you agree that the reviews are all good?
Seems like stupid shit talk to me but maybe you see it different.
So clearly I have reviews.
about Kgirls/Korgs, if not disregard my post.
I know for a fact that some of the Kgirls, Bookers and Bosses read the forums where they are discussed and reviewed.
There are translation apps on the internet if it's needed!
CDL, you can define things as you want but that doesn't make the deffition true, accurate, generally accepted or even useful for any given disussion purpose. The medical and medical sciences community (those that actually have some valid claim to being an authoritive source) don't seem to agree with you. ( http://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/what-exactly-is-a-disease, http://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7393019/ )
It didn't say there isn't a predisposition. I don't think any1 believes you are destined to be an alcoholic if you are genetically predisposed. It definitely has to do w environment. If you never take one drink , genetics or no, you won't become an alcoholic. But your chances of it not affecting your ability to keep a grip once you do , well that's where genetics come in to play.
But w opiates it isn't about willpower. It's really not. You do it 4 days in a week , you will go thru withdrawals. If you do it once a month you might be able to do that w no problem. That's how I began. Me and the bf would go to LA where his friends were in bands. Once a month. No problem. But human nature what it is and how that is shitty alot of times, someone found out we partook and came over everyday, on purpose w the sole reason to get us hooked so we would support his habit. Happens all the time. Not w me . I never did that.
I would never wish an opiate addiction on my worst enemy. That being said drugs don't usually change your core person. They can if your sense of self is weak. And if it's going to happen it would be w opiates. But I am empathetic. I feel too much. I could never live w myself if I dragged another person into my hell. So for all the people who think being an addict is a weakness, open your mind. It's not a strength of course but many people from all walks of life become addicts. It's a sickness. It is a strength to be able to get away from it.
And maybe if there was more treatment available more could. Sorry. This is my thing I feel so strongly about and it irks me when people can so easily judge a huge group of people. It's just like how people judge us on this site. Both sides. They have very strong opinions and think on our side : we are whores. This is what I do. It is one part of the many parts that make me who I am. So was my addiction. But no one part defines me. I am me because of all those things and I like me. Not everyone can say that.
Really hundreds ? Well you must elevate up their w your wings and all these other holier than thou people who easily shake off addiction. You are so full of shit. If you know five people that cold turkeyed addiction that would still be way more than the norm. So please shut up. It's people like you that make up stuff that just makes everything harder. No you don't catch being an alcoholic from someone but you definitely have genes that make you more prone to it. Just like other diseases that are genetic. So are diabetics not worthy either because diet does have something to do w that. And that is choice. I can't see you helping providers either because you got to think they are somehow lacking w the way u think about others.
Steph- It will be interesting to see if you're admirer who sang your praises on another recent thread still feels the same way after this post.
Didn't see anyone singing my praises and if any1 reads what I write they know I say it like it is or at least how I feel. Did you say this because I don't believe someone who is lying? Even if every single person he knows was an addict who cold turkey stopped that still wouldn't be hundreds and hundreds. Is Cdl a rock star ? I didn't think so. It is blatantly obvious when some1 lies to make their opinion seem right. Had he not said this I wouldn't have responded. And I congratulated him on an earlier thread. I am sorry if my 1 fan will be disappointed. But I highly doubt it.
Or were you talking about my past ? And again I don't care. I obviously should keep my comments on a fuck board to that but I am me and me is who you get if we meet. Like me or not, I can't change. Or rather I won't .
XO,
Steph (my real name)
There is an increasingly better understanding of addiction. Some people never even get addicted from an occasional use of known addictive substances. Some people get addicted and can quit "cold turkey." In almost every study, there is a percentage of addicts who are biochemically unable to quit "cold turkey" or quit at all. Many can recognize the harm being done but it is medically impossible for them to quit. (I think I mentioned "tranq" above. Users watch their flesh rotting and falling off but they are UNABLE to overcome the urge to inject another fix.)
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The tobacco industry knows that some users are unable to quit smoking once they get them addicted. I remember reading about people who had throat or other cancers removed and they had to breathe through a tube in a hole in their neck. Their addiction was so powerful that they continued to smoke through their neck tube in order to get their nicotine fix! (I vaguely remember video. It might have been a 60 Minutes episode.) Using OLD numbers (when there were many more casual smokers), it was something like "30% of smokers are UNABLE to quit." Today, although there are fewer smokers, many more of them are probably in the "can't quit" category (or they would have quit already).
Really hundreds ? Well you must elevate up their w your wings and all these other holier than thou people who easily shake off addiction. You are so full of shit. If you know five people that cold turkeyed addiction that would still be way more than the norm. So please shut up. It's people like you that make up stuff that just makes everything harder. No you don't catch being an alcoholic from someone but you definitely have genes that make you more prone to it. Just like other diseases that are genetic. So are diabetics not worthy either because diet does have something to do w that. And that is choice. I can't see you helping providers either because you got to think they are somehow lacking w the way u think about others.
It wasn't a choice. Well at least not to do the fentanyl. Had it been only coke they probably would have had sex all nite and been tired the next day. But that is the scary thing, you never know. So I wouldn't be labeling them not smart or bad seed. They were unlucky. And died for it.
That's why I tried to help sum people I know to get off it. I really thought I could help. I failed miserably. But I love them and they are worthy people. Just hooked on a horrible drug.
With opioids you make one choice, the first time you do it, and after that it is no longer choice but trying to survive. It is a horrible way to live and it affects rich and poor, smart and dumb,etc. Opioids don't discriminate. Any one can get hooked. We have receptors in our brain for opioids. There must be a reason for that.
Don't be so quick to judge or label someone as unworthy. I blame big pharma who knew how addicting oxy was and didn't care. People went from that ,then it became too expensive and they started heroin. Then fentanyl popped up cheaper and even more addicting. It breaks my heart.
Yes I know a lot about this. Haven't had anything to do w it in over 27 years and thank gawd fentanyl wasn't around. I managed to come out the other end but it was the hardest thing I have ever done. And It changed me forever. I lost my young self. I just couldn't fix what I had broken. And I am very intelligent, educated and pharma wasn't to blame. I take the blame for it. I made a bad choice.
Please don't be so ugly in this world. If you find you can help in any way, do it. I wish I had done more. I felt I had a calling way back when and I dropped the ball. If you get the ball, hold on and run with it. You never know whose life you may save.
They result from someone unknowingly taking a lethal dose of Fentanyl that was added to another drug like coke.
suggesting that a person who accidentally commits suicide because he THOUGHT he was only taking Cocaine should get a pass and be considered intelligent? Drugs would not be a problem if there are NO drug users. If cocaine's effects were limited to the same level as alcohol and weed, it would be legal in most states, too.
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All I pointed out is that many are not suicidal and the death was an accident. Of course it's stupid to not consider the risk of fentanyl in a recreational drug. Stupidity is another issue entirely.
left to right after "pass." Happy, now? I have often equated stupidity with low intelligence, but your point that even intelligent people can do stupid things is well-taken.
Because I didn't give anyone a "pass."
But thanks for showing us (again) how not to take an L.
a person is born with a certain condition. What you’re clearly saying is that people who are unfortunate enough to have a condition that might cause them to not be able to “live each day like it's their last” should die.
You remind me of someone who once said that the poor should hurry up and die, to “decrease the surplus population.” And he was told, “Will you decide what men shall live, what men shall die? It may be, that in the sight of Heaven, you are more worthless and less fit to live than millions like this poor man’s child.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic
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Some legal medications and drugs are HIGHLY addictive. A legit Rx for Oxycontin (Purdue Pharma) can lead to a craving for more that was too easily and greedily filled both legally and illegally by Doctors and Pharmacists ("drug mills") looking to make Big Bucks FAST. Criminal drug dealers are more than happy to provide the first hits of addictive drugs for free knowing that they will have an endless line of addicts robbing and stealing to pay for more. Sometimes the addictive component is spiked into the recreational, otherwise safe, drug w/o the knowledge of the user.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylazine
Xylazine is addictive and is spiked into a number of street drugs to further trap users. It causes necrosis of the flesh. Users can see their skin sloughing off but they can't overcome the addictive craving. Xylazine spiked fentanyl is known as "tranq."
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For example, an INTELLIGENT high school athlete might be properly prescribed OxyContin due to a sports injury. Soon after, the INTELLIGENT student is addicted, changes their behavior, finds ways to get more Oxy and dies from an overdose.
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Over 500,000 deaths are attributed to OxyContin abuse. More than 200,000 deaths are attributed to fentanyl abuse. The vast majority of fentanyl is smuggled into the US by US citizens.
The usual way out for depressed people is suicide, a different, but just as effective, way to weed out bad genetics in future generations. Life is a gift, and anyone who doesn't make the most of it and live each day like it's their last doesn't deserve to continue on. It's unfortunate when they make the bad decision to have offspring before cashing in their chips, in which case the bad genetics will hang around for another generation.
I hope you don't. Someone ODing from fentanyl, which is the devils drug because it's so cheap and can be mixed into anything and the tiniest miscalculated dose can kill you - has nothing to do with "bad genes". This is why people are concerned with opiod crisis.
The old drugs of old you had to take a lot to OD. Miscalculate the dose grossly. Fentanyl is just a whole another animal.
Not to mention, people on fentanyl are not typically people who went out looking to do drugs. These are mostly people who were dealing with real pain, and prescribed fentanyl by doctors to relive their pain. Once on it, getting off it is so hard for them. The pain comes back and is even worse, sometimes barely livable. At the same time, in order to control the pain, they often need more and more fentanyl. These are not people who choose to do drugs stupidly, like someone who choose to do crack. These are people who were in pain and trusted doctors. These can be people who lived a clean life and never did any hard drugs, and only because of the pain and the advice of a doctor did they get hooked on their killer. CDL if you are not aware of this happening all over America, I suggest you read up and educate yourself on it.
Everyone should be allowed to breed with who they want to, but they should be smart about it, or they may end up being depressed and find themselves considering suicide. Disney has spoiled young females with all of the stories about there being a prince for every young princess, but the big lie is that princes are always tall, fit and handsome. Consequently, most young women will choose to breed with the handsome stable boy rather than the nerdy prince, and their offspring end up being good-looking idiots.
Do you consider yourself to be the nerdy prince in this story?
the handsome stable boy (football player, class president, horse race handicapper, all by age 17). Teenage pussy came to me easily. After grad school, I went to work on wall street, where I realized stable boys got a lot of pussy, but didn't make much money, so I changed directions and got more serious about work. So yes, I HAVE BECOME the nerdy prince by choice, and here I am, paying for pussy like the rest of you nerds. (However, my natural hubris from my early years combined with the last 17 years as a high-volume monger MAY make me seem a little cooler than the average nerd, or maybe not. Lol)
Gosh, you have done so much with your life so far! It is just so humbling to see you spend hours upon hours scouring every possible post on this board to post something even with all you have going on in your life. And on top of all this running your fortune 500 business! Not to mention your frequent trips to Europe! You are truly an inspiration. Thank you again!!
Even though I go to my office most days, I 'm only there about 20 hours a week. If you were halfway alert, you would have realized by now that I rarely post on weekends. I have two computers on my desk. One is tied into all aspects of my business, and the other is open to TER and other sites that I visit regularly as a source of amusement and entertainment.
What is YOUR excuse for being here everyday trolling for unsuspecting customers? (I say "unsuspecting" because we both know from your reviews that you are a tad lazy and rarely give a great session to anyone.) I would personally like to thank YOU for your entertainment value. Every time I start to think your posts couldn't get any lamer, you surprise us all with something even more moronic, like this. And Yes, I do cram a lot of living into the remaining time I have before I go apartment-shopping at the cemetery. It's okay for you to be jealous and envious. Many people are, but you are the most obvious.
"If you were halfway alert, you would have realized by now that I rarely post on weekends. "
I like how you are framing this as an intelligence thing instead of a relevance thing. She doesn't have any incentive to figure out the particulars of your posting pattern. It is worthless noise to us and most people don't post here on weekends. She just happens to notice that you post a lot because.... YOU'RE A TROLL WHO POSTS A LOT.
"What is YOUR excuse for being here everyday trolling for unsuspecting customers?"
She's selling sex on a forum about selling sex. Her presence here is pretty straight forward. She only trolls you because you troll her and other providers. She advertises as a Domme and I'm sure some of her clients get turned on by her spats with you. It also gets her visibility. Her incentive is money.
I get a lot of entertainment from our exchanges. I find it funny how there are huge differences in how you think you are perceived (or at least should be) vs. how you are actually perceived. You act like you're so much better than everyone around here while you spend tons of time in this shit heap with the rest of us, arguing with sex workers. You spend so much time on here painting a picture of your life that nobody really cares about. Even if your brags are true, people aren't going to give a fuck because everyone is here to either buy or sell sex. Most of what you say is just noise to be ignored.
You remind me of the Continental Breakfast sketch from Key and Peele. You act like you're the Pete Wells of sex but you spend most of your time at the Holiday Inn buffet like the rest of us. "Ahh the Danish, clearly from Brussels."
THIS is The Continental.
it's no "Royal Deluxe II." The Royal Deluxe is "poifect."
"Lincoln Continental Mark III." "A special symbol of status attained by only a very few."
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http://www.automobile-catalog.com/production/lincoln/continental_mark_iii.html#gsc.tab=0
Lincoln Continental Mark III production numbers and sales volume
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The following production numbers or sales volume data are available for Lincoln Continental Mark III:
model year 1969 - Lincoln Continental Mark III, 2-door Hardtop Coupe - 30858 units
model year 1969 - Lincoln Continental Mark III, with air conditioning - 92 units
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30,950 is "a very few"???
"Lincoln Continental Mark III ***WITH AIR CONDITIONING."***
"A special symbol of status attained by only 92 consumers."
Well it is an ad so maybe they are being a bit overly optimistic in their claims. But maybe not. The population in 1969 was over 200 million and more than 9.5 million cars were sold that year. 30 thousand seems pretty small compared to those numbers to me.
But I did enjoy all the videos.
This drug is a reason so many people are dying now. Fentanyl is mixed in to Coke and many other drugs because it's cheap. Trouble is, it's also much more potent than any other opioid. Thus a fatal dose is tiny. Only an anesthesiologist should be dispensing it.
Anyone who screws around with drugs now is gunning for a Darwin Award.
Firstly, I agree this was a horrible tragedy, but not at all surprising or shocking given everything involved.....
Jesse Jane went about as far as a Porn Starlet can go in the Adult Industry and beyond...she lasted far longer than most, but ultimately met a familiar fate; She was a beautiful woman when she started out, but by the time of her death, it had caught up with her....if you read about her life, she always was a "party girl", and had many documented and public instances of near-blackout drinking over the years leading up to her death. Clearly she needed substances to be happy.....or to numb some kind of pain, or she may have simply liked them....or all three.
Her Boyfriend, Mr. Hassenmueller, left a legit thriving construction career in Missouri to basically be with Jesse, and it's unclear how much of a user he was in terms of substances BEFORE he met and hooked up with Jesse. He was not a typical "suitcase pimp" that Porn Starlets often find and hook-up with.....they may have had a co-dependent relationship.
WHat's clear is when they died, they were doing COKE that happened to be mixed/contaminated with Fentanyl, and since the mixing of coke and fentanyl in a typical drug dealer's kitchen often leads to a uneven distribution of the two drugs in the batch, They snorted a batch of coke that actually had MORE fentanyl than it did coke.....they probably had Alcohol on board too which just made it happen faster.
Queen Bia....this whole abstinence "Just Say NO" stuff is absurd.....Jesse Jane couldn't say no, she needed treatment, intense high impact treatment. Just as Abstinence does not work with Sex and Teens/young adults, Abstinence does not work with substances that give people essentially the same type of temporary pleasure and release that Sex does (it's the same part of the brain folks...)
All you can do is EDUCATE beforehand, and TREAT those who need it.....people will do a lot of things to escape temporarily the ennui and pain of their everyday life.
Porn is a tough biz .. and so much tougher now that there are not professional organizations like Wicked and Vivid around with a modest amount of support and wanting their stars to be ok and not making the girls feel so inconsequential .
I socially met Loni Evans .. super sweet .. but partying it appears just overtook her. the lifestyle overall can be seductive for someone young.
...to women who have a plan, have discipline and have their head on straight. Porn is a business that basically, you leave it as you went into it....if your a woman who knows what she wants to do with her porn career (use it to promote a lucrative dancing career OR escorting/providing) and has a really good business plan, and does not self-sabotage or self-destruct through substance abuse or toxic relationships with scumbags....it's a good thing.
But many get blinded and delusional by the "pseudo-fame" of the fanboys who worship them as they perform ever more extreme acts for public broadcast....they party, drink, indulge in drugs and bottom out.
Addiction, though is in fact a disease...it is not simply a matter of good or bad choices....anymore than the disease of type 2 diabetes is solely the result of drinking soda pop and eating pop tarts 6 times a day. The Human Brain, just like any other organ (heart, liver, lungs etc) can get sick or damaged, and that impacts a person's choices & thinking. It's absurd to condemn addicts for their choices, while we "choose" to engage providers for a version of "Fast Food" sex & intimacy.....this isn't healthy either, and for some it, too, is an ADDICTION.......sex addiction involves the exact same part of the brain as COke, Heroin and Meth, and follows the same pathology.
Don't judge if you are not willing to also be judged......
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A couple of years ago I watched a documentary about the porn industry. It was a bit tendentious, but still enlightening. What I took away from it was that (1) a lot of women at an age where judgment and decision-making are nit at their apex, (2) seduced by the idea of easy money, (3) being asked to do more and more crazy shit (gang-bangs, bukakke, and/or taking 2 or 3 dicks in your ass at the same time just seems crazy to me, but that's just me), (4) which leads to various health and mental well-being challenges (not to mention disillusionment), and (5) too alienated to have proper social and emotional support around them, often leads to a bad result.
You are 100% correct Helixir.....it's a ongoing phenomenon, women of all ages 18-50s(&60s) look to "break in" to the porn business every week.....It's absurd to call porn an "Industry" but people do.
Girls who literally....LITERALLY turned 18 the day before, or even the day OF, walk into certain Studios who will pay them right then and there to shoot their first scene....a really messed up version of screen testing. The internet is a big reason for this....for the last 20 years, kids have grown up with porn literally at their fingertips 24/7.
But, as I said, if the woman has a plan, perhaps some legit support system, and is intelligent and drug/booze/mental illness free, she has a chance of coming out way ahead.
Quiet Frankly.......I don't feel one bit sorry for the ones who do drugs that will kill them. They choose to do the drugs. The family......Maybe !!
I believe the hijacks of my thread show how people on this board are extremely negative humans. We have all experienced low points in our lives choosing to do drugs that your unaware are laced with fentanyl is a risk that I hope more people will choose not to do.
Being in this industry can be tuff. If you’re not putting your health first it’s an issue. Swapping bad habits for good healthy habits is crucial if you want to be around for a long time. Mental health as a provider should be a key focus. I believe those who truly care have a therapist because they know they need to constantly be improving their self. I sure don’t want to share my time with toxic people who have bad energy = I empathetic humans.
In the DMV (DC/Maryland/Virginia) area drugs has wiped out some providers from low end to high end.
There was a beautiful traveling provider here a few years back that I became friends with. She would make trips here from Florida for the agency that has since been shut down and the owners in prison for things like tax evasion.
Any way - she had a problem and despite her struggles to get out, she finally OD’d a day after her last email to me.
She was an amazing lady in every way - just had a weakness that she could not beat.
Hi Jacks4thson, let me first say how sorry I am you experienced this loss, and I hope you've managed to recover from the loss of your friend and provider.
I know it's a painful memory but I personally am glad you shared it to drive home the point about how addiction can impact anyone.....a disease does not discriminate.
I too had a friend who worked as an escort back in the 1990s through early 00s.....I met her right after I broke up with the first long term girlfriend I had in late 1996, she worked in Vegas and from New Years 1997, thru 2002, I saw "Roxy" about every other month. She came to Los Angeles a few times to visit me too.....she was incredibly beautiful, kind, smart, and strong physically....but she had an addiction to pills that somehow she was able to function with and even thrive (many people are "Functional Addicts"). I often told her, "I care about you and I personally would like to see you NOT take so many pills..." but she always sidestepped and deflected. She actually told me that she appreciated my concern, BUT "You could offer me 1 million dollars to quit, and I just can't..." SO I accepted her as she was and went along with things.....
In 2002, on the 4th of July....she woke up one morning nauseated from withdrawal.....she vomited, aspirated, and died, alone and gasping for air.
I STILL miss her, to this very day....she didn't coddle me nor allow me to feel sorry for myself...she helped me, and yet I couldn't help her. In fact I may have simply enabled her to mask her ongoing disease instead of getting REAL TREATMENT, as one of the men who paid her for sex & company....FUCK ANY and ALL SELF-ABSORBED amoral assholes who can't see addiction is a deadly disease of the brain.
Just get on YouTube and look up 'Kensington, Philadelphia' - all you need to know . They are coming from all over the country to this avenue.
All across the country, the opioid crisis is out of control.
America have billions to mind other people's business, fight wars and proxy wars but say there is nothing they can do to stop the carnage - not to mention homelessness.