Generally speaking, do you guys think this is a good idea? Any experiences?

Couple of weeks ago I went to see my accountant.  She's been doing my taxes for several years now.  After we finished talking business we just chilled in her office talking.  She did not charge me for it.  Is it possible she really likes me?

...you just have to use discernment as the relationship evolves. I'm sure you can tell by the way it was said that she was honestly interested in tagging along. Keep a watchful eye just as you would anyone you hang around with. (hopefully)

Was it Charlie Sheen that said that?  Anyway, I have done the 'date' thing, but only with visiting providers.  One in particular was getting a bit clingy and personal, which raised red flags with me.  It was a taste of what I'm sure providers have to deal with sometimes I'm guessing.  Not a pleasant experience when you're trying to keep two worlds separate.  Fortunately, this girl was from another country.

You never know... or a SD. That's what he's gotta' watch out for, then cut it off ASAP if that does happen.

Possible... Won't get into details, but she stopped taking the donation and would hand back the envelope, and was spending a lot of time with her.  Sex became intimate, there is a difference.

A Former Provider who I met in the Business is now Retired. I still see her to this day. Sure I see her for a Fun Time. But I also hang out with her, take her Dinner and a Movie. She's totally out of the Business. But we stayed in contact and now we're just long time Friends. So can you spend time OTC with a Provider? Well in my case, Yes. In fact I'm driving to see her next week and staying with her for a 10 day Fun Time.

If I enjoy their company after we have seen each other a couple of times I will ask. If they have time she does. I hobby early evening and often see if they have time for dinner. I would never see a lady OTC without seeing her that day and paying for a date first. That would be just rude.  

Like some posters said, providers are also human beings and enjoy company.  
I have had a few providers extend their time with me for breakfast/ lunch/ dinner (depending on the time of the day) or sometimes a visiting provider will just want to go out and see the area with someone who can show them around. Mostly it's been with repeat encounters.  
I personally never ask for extended time to hang out, but if a provider wants to do it, I will always spend time with her. It's really fun to know them more.

I have been in this business for many yrs.
I have friends on both sides I care about a great deal.
I have had one client go from friend  to then BF for 3yrs we were together.

I have several provider friends
and a few close client friends but none of them are *fuck buddys*
Sounds like thats what you are looking for.

Heres where it gets complicated...
If you are looking to really become friends I say take the sex out of the equation for the time being.
Get to know her and become friends.
Otherwise its just you looking for a freebee and she will not take your friend request seriously. Just another guy looking for free sex.

In order to be real friends you need to see past her role as your provider.
If you wanna play pay her, if you wanna hang out then do so without expectations of anything further than getting to know her.

Just my opinion.

If she wants to be friends and hang out occasionally, great! However, don't expect free sex from her. Chances are, your intuition is inaccurate, and it will be the quickest way to NEVER see her again, as a client or otherwise.  

If you've found someone you can get free sex from who is too naive to realize she is wearing herself out on you and putting herself in the position to not be 100 percent when the next guy is paying, by all means...go for it. I mean, it's only her money and reviews that are at stake...you lose nothing. Sorry, but if I were out fkin guys for free all the time, I would be too exhausted to see the ones who are actually paying me to be there...the ones who DESERVE me at 100 percent, not all worn out because I spent 3 hours with some guy for free the night before. That's just me, and the reason I never understood how a provider could have a boyfriend whilst doing this.  

Personally, I wouldn't give a hoot what anyone might say in answering what you ask because at the end of the day, only you know what's going on here.  If you are reading her vibes properly, do what feels right for you and her.  Be on guard not to assume anything and thus make sure you are properly reading her intentions.

Nothing wrong with it.

BAD idea!  Keep it professional & never keep your honey where you make your money!!

Why do you assume there will be sex....I don't have sex every time I go fishing....but I do go fishig with people I like...

You have to be honest with yourself.  What you are now embarking on is a civie relationship, and I don't have to tell you what that can entail.

It's your call:  Stick to the uncomplicated pay for play and follow those rules; or go ahead and develop something with this gal which could be very rewarding or, otherwise.

There's no right or wrong about it.

For what it's worth, I've developed civie relationships about half a dozen times with providers over the last 30+ years of hobbying.  The result are:  2 excellent situations, 1 OK, 1 so-so, and 2 disasters.

I'd probably go and do it again, however.

What steps were those?

*there will be sex given our chemistry*

so thats not me assuming its all him!

I have a hobby I thoroughly enjoy , 99 % of city slickers have never participated in .  Occasionally a provider will bring the subject up as something she does  , twice  I invited a provider to join me at a later date , OTC was defined .
   Both times they were ecstatic  I had invited her and very thankful at the end of the day .  
   
  If I invited her Off the clock to go frog gigging , it would be too  cheesy for my taste to  think I should be re payed in sex , even if we have great chemistry .  
   
Having sex around smelly fish doesn't sound appealing to me .    
   Most civilian girls will feel the same way unless they are hunting one night stands .
  Since providers are girls also I bet most of them feel the same way ,probably more, , after all , weren't you going fishing anyway ?  
  Don't forget to check the small craft weather forecast .

THIS is p4p
There are no expectations no assumption accept you will get her time
assuming her reviews are read, good sex
and you will pay
then you both go your seperate ways.
She has no hold on you
you are NOT axpected to call unless of course you wanna p4p again.
No hard feelings if she never hears from you.

YOU do NOT have to listen or be subjected to
Not tonight I dont feel good
Stories of her crazy life crazy family and financial woes.
Its easy fun at a price MINUS her personal dramas.

Turning this into a civie deal...well you will undoubtably be subject to her craziness.
she will feel no obligation to keep it professional.
No obligation to put out
No obligation to appear drama free.
Thats a Value that you pay for in P4P.

You will though be expected to treat her like a friend.
Answer the phone when she calls
make time for her and her needs.

This is no longer p4p it no longer follows the same guidelines.

Just food for thought!

How about if it were her idea?

Just how low is the self esteem of the guys here? Don't any of you believe that a lady might just enjoy your company and want you as a friend AND a customer? Of course after having read what many of you have written, and having attended several M&G's I can understand why many of you have such low self esteem. It's because unlike some of the hookers here, you have mirrors. lmao

Why does everything have to have a deeper meaning? Sometimes a boat ride is just a boat ride.

To the OP, If you like this girl, by all means go for it. You aren't talking about taking her for a week to Paris, proposing, and then having babies together, it's a simple matter of a man and a woman spending a day together and most likely fucking during part of said day, the very same thing is happening millions of times a day between other consenting adults, why let the peanut gallery here read so much into it?

Yup. I have NEVER and will never have sex for free with anyone...that goes for here and in the RW. If a guy gets OTC time with me here, he is a fool to think I will be fkin his ass. It will be PUBLIC off the clock time at dinner or at a bar singing Karaoke. Oh yah...that's worth it. Also remember, off the clock means us being ourselves which can be a bit uncomfortable lol. Sometimes it's not what a guy bargains for. Her getting piss ass drunk and puking in your car sure sounds like fun! Might want to keep paying her to ACT appropriately.

They lead interseting lives, and a lot are pretty intelligent. They can teach you some things about the business, too. How to track shady providers, etc. lol

The 'drama free' ones are out there. Just be choosy.

Actually sounds like fun...LOL
OTC time, your right, is not for f  king, but for friendship.
She spends ENOUGH time in the biz HAVING to f  ck....give her a friggen break and let her do something she wants to do. ( drinking and puking...LOL )

I can relate to what the OP meant when he said that he expects there to be sex involved. I would hope for his sake that he would let said sex to come naturally and not push it if she just doesn't feel like it that day, but I have seen a lot of hookers OTC, and I usually can guess which ones are going to end up fucking me that day and which ones are going to be strictly friends when OTC. It's not really that hard to figure out, of course there have been times when I was mistaken, but that's one of the beauties about the hobby, if one lady isn't interested on any particular day, for a few hundred bucks there are dozens that are. IMO, it makes "dating" so much less pressure filled. If sex happens, great. If not, that's ok too. No pressure, just good times.

Not all hookers (or women period) are BSC. I have many hooker friends, some I fuck, some I don't. The drama filled BSC ones I drop, both as friends and providers, there are more than enough of the "drama free" variety to keep me happy.

You don't get to see the sheer amount of men who take our kindness for being romantically interested, even in the complete absence of ANY encouragement. It seems too easy for some to mis-read our cues if they are determined to do so.

and that, while absolutely true, is a completely different issue. Many if not most hookers are fucking "somebody for free", whether it be their husband, boyfriend, or even the lawnboy, most hookers are women first and have someone in their lives. Of course not all do, but no one here can seriously say that most of the women on this very site don't have at least someone in their life that they don't see for money.

FWIW, my last provider GF recieved no less than four marriage proposals from clients during the few months we were together. So yes, your point is well taken, although I don't think anyone can deny my point about "most" women having someone in their life who is not there as an ATM

thats just life.

But p4p is void of such its what p4p is  all about.

the real world is messy and complicated.
That doesnt mean shes going to be a trainwreck but she is gonna be real.

Any married men here ever have a romantic relationship with a provider? I'm kind of starting down that road and was wanting any advice opinions etc.. from both sides

I've never gotten ANY marriage proposals...I thought I had it bad because I was asked to baseball games and free OTC dinners. OMG.  

I need one with just four squares per side.

And, yes, I do spend time with providers OTC but the subject's been kind of done to death.  I'm beginning to think there are no new topics under the sun and if you've been here long enough there's just nothing new to say, so I will STFU.

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Some  civilian girls get off on breaking up a marriage , usually when her Dad left her Mom  
for another woman before she was an adult .  
 If you leave your wife for her , odds are in your favor , she will dump you soon after .
 It's her way of getting back at her Dad .
   If you have unlimited funds at her disposal she "might  love you longer .
   
   

I don't want a paying guy to become a non paying guy. Some guys would so take advantage of this gesture of the OCCASIONAL OTC fuck. They would rather wait to see if they can get it for free and not bother booking.  

To reiterate, this is just my opinion enlightened by my life experiences--I don't presume to tell others what to do nor do I care. But because you asked . . . I think it's a poor idea. This statement goes double if you are single.  

every time this topic comes up----weekly?---it's like it people were trying to figure out how to split an atom. Is it risky? Risky how? Risky like trying to walk the grand canyon on a cable, or risky like accidentally proposing marriage to a provider after you take her fishing?  

I have had literally dozens of "real" relationships with providers. Everything ranging from FWB type relationships all the up to LTR's where the "L" word was being used. Some, actually most of my relationships with hookers started with me being a paying customer, but at some point many of these relationships have morphed into something else.

BTW it's not only "reasonably attractive" women that can get all the dick that they want, even ugly women can get laid anytime they want.

One thing for the guys to remember, entering into a "real" relationship with a hooker definitely means that she no longer has to be on her best behavior and there almost undoubtably will be nights where she will say "not tonight dear" I had one of those myself last night. lol The good thing is, we aren't in any kind of exclusive relationship, so when she says "no" I simply pick up the phone after I drop her off and call someone who will say "yes", for money of course. lol