Morgan, I am hijacking your thread in order to give info about this guy:

Stiffington (TER handle, banned)    


6’2” blue eyes
Black hair with a short tiny ponytail
Very flattering, charming (smarmy) in demeanor
Drives a very common non- descript car
commonly leaves either an empty envelope or one filled with bogus travelers checks / phony money / paper.

He is believed to be a sick webmaster trying to get traffic for his site, seeking publicity no matter what.

Therefore we have not attached any link to his original post, we appreciate if you do not either.  

His confessions!:

"ESCORTS and NOT PAYING!! Im Getting Good at This!

Hey, not sure how many "hobbists" there are here but Im pretty avid.
I go to www.theeroticreview.com often and get hookers (escorts) on a normal basis.. Because Im a regular I dont dare rip off the whores in my area..
But when I travel and leave town I run a pretty good scam, and still get a great fuck! Here's how:
The key is to go to theeroticreview.com and read the reviews.
Find the escorts that allow you to put the money in a sealed envlope and put it on the dresser before ya fuck.
If you read the reviews closely, many of the whores dont check the envlope until after you leave. They dont want to be rude. Now the crack whores and the street hookers will check it.. But the Pros, the high class ones wont.. Because it is illegal for them to recieve cash and then fuck. So they want it in a sealed envlope, as a gift, and only later do they open it. In case its a cop, they never open up that envlope showing cash or that would incinuate them selling sex for cash.
So dress up, look classy, like a gentleman.
Bring a small gift when going to visit the whore for a first time like cheap wine.
Put the envlope on the dresser, tell her "a little gift for you" she will know its the cash, then open your wine or desert you brought and get the forplay started.
Fuck her brains out. Dont offer to take a shower there. This may be where she looks in the envlope.
Just get dressed, kiss her good bye, and get in the fast!!
Its been working for months for me when I travel!
Try it and let me know how ya do!
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THE ANAL HOBBIT -

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(Morgan's post)
A lovely thread from someone who uses TER as a tool in his quest to rip off as many escorts as possible:

[link deleted]

Nice. This loser uses the desire of many of us to be more polite in our cash transactions, and uses it to rob us. Sometimes it feels like you simply can't win - if you request the money up front, and count it, you can be arrested, or you're accused by some hobbyists of being mercenary. If you don't, you face opening an empty envelope after the so-called 'client' has left.

Things like this make me happy to be working in a place where I don't have to pussy foot around with envelopes, although I still prefer not having to discuss the payment...

Morgan


-- Modified on 12/17/2005 4:55:44 PM

and got reemed {sic} for it too. But this does happen. I was given all sorts of advice but I was only venting because a lot of escorts have been ripped off because they haven't looked at the donation until after they've left the session. Now, if it's a first-time client, I say outloud for LE purposes, "Oh, is this my birthday card?" and take it into the bathroom with me, then bring it back out afterward and say, "I'll read it later."

Hugs,
Ciara

Oh, sorry Ciara - I must have missed it when you posted it. My apologies for the double post!

I know that I've been taken a few times while touring, simply because I can't think of anything more tacky than grabbing the envelope and running off to go rifle through it. I'm left trying to balance which is the lesser of the two evils - counting the cash like a banker, or being scammed like some naive young hick.

I think the 'I'm just going to run in to the washroom' thing is a really good idea, and one I'll likely use in the future!

Morgan

I was so tired and upset because of how many providers had emailed me about this so I posted before I wrote all of the information down. Then, I posted again but not before the rambling started and negative comments. Some people thought I was angry because some men stayed past the one-hour limit and didn't pay for it. Yes, that's sometimes a problem, too, when you're nudging them to leave. But it was really about a donation agreed upon for two hours, then to find out there was only an hour's donation in the envelope. I actually like the envelope thing now (which I hated before) because I can use the excuse that it's a birthday, Christmas, pagan (whatever you want to call it) card. To me, it's much safer than grabbing cash beforehand. Good luck to you, though, and I cannot believe this guy is bragging about ripping us off in posts. Oh, if only he were to try this with us now, eh?

Hugs,
Ciara

I've got to wonder if this is a real post. What horse's ass would post something like that then post their picture as well? Then again the world is full of asshole's who are constantly trying to rip off everyone else. Any of you women recognize him?

And the thraed has since been removed. A name many out here would be familiar with too, I might add. I won't re-hash or post the name again since, it was obviously taken down for a reason. Too bad regular guys with no bad motives can come under suspicion because of the selfish acts of a few.

NSF

Re:I'd love to get a call from him....what a loser

What a loser....I'm sure the "tiny" denotes part of his physical anatomy !!!
And his reference to "the classy ones don't check"....what a fool! There's absolutely nothing unclassy with checking an envelope....do you take your paycheck and cash it without checking it? Do you take cash back from a bank teller when depositing your paycheck, in a sealed envelope and not count it, or slip the money in a folded bundle into your wallet?? I hope not!
I'd love for him to call me....I seem to be able to weed those kind out with just a phone call. Someday, his karma will come bouncing back on him, and it won't be pretty!!
I'd define class as being yourself, always being true and kind to yourself and others...traights he obviously lacks!! I feel sorry for the guy-I'd wager he's one unhappy human

It has always made a lot of sense to me to put the envelope in the bathroom. That way, the escort can count the money in private, if she chooses.

I don't get it..why in the world would the post be removed ? The guy is dirt. I read his posts on a link to that board earlier in the week. I've never been so pissed off at something related to this hobby! A total ahole!! He should have his handle plastered all over every board in the country.

That's not his photo - that's a player from the Orlando Magics:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/hidayet_turkoglu/index.html

Somehow, I doubt that if the poster was really also a pro basketball player, he'd be using his own photo.

Morgan

Not just his TER handle, some of the Columbo's on this sight found out his name and posted all sorts of websites that he is affiliated with. That, I'm sure is why it was taken down. I'm all for letting anyone know who this shitbag is, but, I don't want to see it go so far as to get taken down again for legal reasons. That would be counter productive for everyone.

NSF

'tis true, for incall, she might not normally step into the bathroom upon your arrival.  But for outcall, it's a perfect idea...

Hahaha, sorry for my stupidity, show's how much I follow basketball.

Even with women I have met previously, I just put the envelope on the desk or night-table and ask if I can use the facilities to brush my teeth & wash my hands [which I actually do] While I am doing that she is free to dicreetly check the donation..

Wow.  Yet another example of how the few bad apples spoil it for everybody else.

Human nature is so complex.  It's easy to label this Stiffington as pure evil, and initially after reading his post I thought, yeah I'd put a knife in his back if I ever got a chance.  And I still would, because his dishonesty makes my life harder.  I so hate those bad apples.

But let's get over the initial disgust and consider this thoughtfully.  Allow me to play devil's advocate.  Let's say Stiffington was an honest guy originally.  Let's say he was a lonely, horny guy who stumbled onto an internet ad for a provider one time while on a business trip.  He didn't plan on meeting anyone, but his business meeting had gone poorly, the client fired him, and his boss (who was incompetent) blamed him.  Back at his hotel, the porn channels were not in service.  He's in another time zone from his wife, so he can't call home.

He decides to call the number on the ad, which showed a tall busty brunette named Emily with a model-like face who will take all your cares away.  He's given directions to the incall location (he doesn't at this point even know what "incall" means, nevermind knowing about reviews or TER).  The girl puts him off "another 20 minutes" about 3 times.  He's too worked up this point to just walk away, although his gut tells him it's not on the up-and-up.  Besides, that website picture is emblazoned in his mind (and libido)!  Finally he gets in to the room.  There's a chick who's about 4 foot 9 and bleached blonde.  Nothing wrong with her at all, but she's obviously not the girl who pretended to be Emily answering the phone.  Stiffi is now in too deep and will take what he can get, and ponies up $$$$ for a rushed session.  He leaves feeling nauseous, abused, angry, and even more lonely than before.

A few more episodes like this leaves him jaded.  When his wife leaves him for her colleague, he snaps and decides it's time for some payback.  He finally discovers TER, and being a clever guy, starts his scam.  He knows it's wrong, but he numbs his mind and just stops seeing his victims as people, instead labels them as "whores" like the first girl who worked for the agency that deceived him.  He's paid his share and now will get what's due back to him.

Now I doubt this is the case.  I think Stiffington is disgusting, has a borderline personality disorder, is a compulsive liar, has no redeeming qualities, and is basically an unspeakable bastard.  He probably deserves the vitriol being heaped upon him in this discussion.

But how many of you hobbyists have been ripped off the way the hypothetical Stiffington was above?  Where is the outrage when these ripoffs occur?  A "RIPOFF" label on TER is a start, but there doesn't ever seem to be any real interest in "outing" them the way everyone wanted to "out" Sttiffington.  Shouldn't the other honest providers (God bless you all!) try their hardest to expose these ripoff "agencies", these "bad apples" which continue to fluorish?

Again, to all you honest providers and hobbyists, God bless you.  I refuse to become jaded and will continue to trust everyone I meet (after careful research of course).  I have faith that I'm not alone.

[BTW, I too have been ripped off, but the above description is fictional, not autobiographical.  I'm experienced enough to know that the most cynical of you will believe that my wife left me.  Nope.  Still married ]

Stiffington. Got that off the Vegas board.

-- Modified on 12/18/2005 7:10:57 AM

All talk and no play.

Keep venting, baby!

Hugs,
Ciara

Sorry I was not there to enjoy it....Wink!

Thank You
Merry Christmas

As another poster has said, some ladies like the envelope left in the bathroom so they can count it when they freshen up.  Much better for the guy than counting the $$ in front of you--stiffy sometimes goes limpy.

But again, if the ladies have done their screening correctly, there should not be a problem with an empty envelope.

That unctuous sleezball Mark(STIFFINGTON) conned several ladies in LA. Three of which I know personally. He is very good at his game that he devised. He is very charming and flattering in his mannerisms. He has been on a couple of game shows and a "dating" show. He speaks of his Christian spiritualism in his ‘eligiblemag.com’ dating profile and moonlights at ripping off SPs and giving tutorials to others on how to do it.
 The moderators may have pulled the 411 off our regional board but much of the LA community has it safely in our hard drives. This asshole Just may walk into a blanket party the next appointment he makes in LA-LA Land.

 FR.

P.S. A recent report by a provider implies he started to get threatening with her. I'm all for covering our's & TER's legal butts but this bag- O'-shit need s to be taken out.

-- Modified on 12/18/2005 6:14:38 PM

He is being outed with as much vigour as we got. He's dangerous, and might be escalating.

Anyone needing copies of screenshots of interest, email me.

Con artists are very good at what they do; it's their fulltime job and lifetime career. They can and do get past good screening methods. It's a game, and like hackers, they will find a way.

The best way to stop them is to know who they are so you can turn around at the door.

Unfortunately, it is real. Women ripped off by Mark have id'd him from photos posted.

Some people are very good actors. They can con anyone with upfront references.  Look at Ted Bundy: handsome, intelligent, a lawyer.  Scarey!

Hugs,
Ciara

i require that the donation is put in the bathroom at the beginning of the date. Inevitably at some point before the "fun" starts, i have to pee, so i check it during that time. If its incorrect , or not there, i "hint"
there have been a few times, i had to straight out tell the guy "did you read my website and CONFIRMATION email where it says to put the donation in the bathroom at the BEGINNING of the date"

but sometimes that makes me nervous and instead i just kick them out for not "paying" attention