I saw a new provider earlier today who came from a reputable agency and I had a great time (review to be published shortly), but unlike most of the providers I deal with, she didn't allow a second pop.
I am not exactly the most virile of Hobbyists and my initial pop usually takes place in the first 30 minutes (sometimes because I know a second pop is available).
Without the second pop, why should I pay for an hour? I hate 30 minute sessions (they seem rushed) but isn't the provider benefiting in the long run by offering a second round (especially since probably half of the hobbyists don't want/can't handle a second round.
It's pretty basic. If you don't want what the provider is selling, then go elsewhere. I really don't care if they charge $20,000 for a minimum 3 hours. They can do what they want. If I don't want to buy it, I simply don't. If they can make money that way, I am very happy for them. If they can't then either their policies will change or they will be priced out of business like most small business owners are.
I for one would NEVER knowingly see a provider who did not offer a second pop.
This is an area of hobbying with a HUGE amount of variance. I've been offered MSOG at $160/hr and had 1-shot deals at $400/hr. Sometimes this can be effected by a provider's regular MO or sometimes it completely depends on her comfort and chemistry at that time.
In order to have the best session I can, I usually try to do a good amount of research before scheduling. And reviews are a major part of that, but they don't always tell the full story. I've been with well reviewed providers that others have said offered 2nds but when it came to my experience proved the opposite. I had plenty of time to get things going again and the option was never brought up. Sometimes it's delayed in the forms of massages or conversation, but end result was nothing offered. And subtle, yet clear attempts were made on my part to initiate round 2 were not picked up on.
It can be a catch 22, if you directly open the conversation it can be a chemistry killer and if you don't bring it up then you may (or may not) leave disappointed. So you're forced to tread lightly.
My general rule is research, research, research. But it's no guarantee. I think chemistry has a lot to do with it. Do what you can to genuinely increase her comfort level and I believe it will serve you well. In my head I've also broken it down another way to help manage my own expectations. Personally I feel that if the requested donation is over $250 then the provider should make an attempt to offer seconds. Let the hobbyist decide whether it's going to work out or not, but I think it is courteous to offer. If I pay less than $250/hr, I don't expect to be offered seconds.
I often say that I am usually good/hoping for 2 rounds. It is always good to set your, and her expectations. If a 2nd pop is available, you will know how to pace yourself for maximum pleasure and value.
To the gents...does it particularly matter the manner in which you receive the second? I have no real objection to a second, however would you be adverse if I suggested how the second happens? This would likely be the case if the first took a while or other issues such as size (discomfort)came into play? Or would you insist on your way with the possible outcome being a polite refusal?
Your goals appear to be inconsistent. You want 2 pops in an hour and yet you find 30 minute sessions too rush. Apparently you also want the extended journey to the pop as much as the pop and that’s not possible in a one hour session. Many hobbyist who don’t want or can’t handle two/hour still schedule one hour or more sessions because they enjoy the journey to the pop as much as the pop itself.
i've always thought that in the escort biz you're paying for a girl's time, not the number or orgasms you may have. a gent comes to see me, schedules one hour, two hours, 3 hours, whatever...he gets to do whatever he pleases (without breaking a few basic safety limits) within that period of time. if he wants to "pop" 10 times, that's fine with me, if he can do it in the time he's scheduled. if he wants a continuous BBBJ from minute one to 30 seconds before his time is up, that's fine with me as well. after all he is paying for my time and to be served by me within that time, and that is exactly what he will get. for the life of me i can't understand how a provider can justify having a rate based on time while in reality only providing service based on physical activities.
I think you, and me of course, are paying for time. I have the good fortune lately of seeing only one provider with whom I really click (the only review I've done so far as a "newbie"), and when I'm with her, I usually pop before the hour is up, but then for the rest of the time I throughly enjoy her beauty, femininity, and rolling her over on her back, giving her a back rub, and licking her magnificent derriere'.
I think there is more to a beautiful woman than just pop, pop, pop.
the girl may have seen 10 other people that day, she may not be comfortable with the guy, whatever. You never know.
Personally, I just go with the flow of the session. I never go into it expecting that it will go a specific way.
Some ladies do expect their sessions to go a certain way and that may or may not match what the hobbyists are thinking. No matter how you try, it can be a gamble of sorts even if you do your research.
As a first time newbie, reading this makes me realize that when I make my first appointment, I should do so earlier in the day. I certainly don't want to be the 9th or 10th client that day. It would be hard for anyone (me included) to perform well after that many sessions.
Thanks lilli! Being a first-timer, how do I make sure I choose a provider that doesn't have that many appointments in one day? Certainly I umderstand that 9-10 clients per day is probably a high number of appointments, but I would think even after 4-5 would require a lot of stamina. Maybe I am wrong. Correct me if I am.
you're right, for those providers who put a lot of time, effort and care into what they do and into taking care of each client, even 4 or 5 day would be very taxing.
as to how to distinguish between a low volume and high volume provider, there are always clues. how does she schedule/book dates? does one simply have to make an appointment request and pass some basic screening, or will she have a conversation or two or exchange a lengthy email with you to determine compatibility? does she mention things on her website like "please let's not waste time with a lot of chit chat"? is she constantly putting up new ads? does she have many reviews within a short period of time (several a week, dozens a month)? and perhaps the biggest thing...during the initial contact, does she seem really concerned with getting to know YOU, and your personal needs and desires, or does she try to stick to the bottom line of booking a date?
lilli. Being diligent with my research will provide some clues of whether I would be interested in a particular provider. I guess now my concern is how to get started. Providers want their clients to have posted some reviews or be verified through various websites. This is hard to obtain without having had some experiences with providers. It's a Catch 22.
Jesus you idiot, WTF do you think reviews are for????
Here is a tip: If a lady has a ton of consistently good reviews, even a guy with a below average IQ is going to reasonably assume that he can expect to have a good time regardless of what time it is when he sees her.
What, do you think that the only guys who write reviews are guys that only see girls in the morning? Maybe the poor schmucks who stood around holding a number all day are too stupid to write reviews, and that is how we women folk manage to accumulate great reviews while snoozing our way through our last half dozen appointments each day.
I got it, here is an even better idea. This one is going to guarantee you a great time every time. Once you have spotted the lady you want, send her an e-mail. Make it clear that you want her bright eyed and bushy tailed, and you definitely don't want to be standing in line behind a bunch of other schmucks, so if it is not too much trouble, could she please tell you how many appointments she takes each day, and please make sure that she sees you first on the day you are going to see her. That should work for you. Insulting a provider is always the best way to go about things.
And by the way buddy in reference to your screen name - just how young is young????
One last thing - we aren't GIRLS you idiot. We are WOMEN.
newbie site? I think in my earlier post I stated that I was a first time newbie. I haven't even been with a provider yet. I am still trying to understand all the details. I thought this site was for asking such questions without getting bashed. I'm sorry I don't know all the details. I'm just not as experienced as some of those responding to posts. Does this make me wrong? I always thought the only dumb question was the one that was not asked. Maybe this doesn't apply to certain parts of society. Most of the posts I have read seem normal and geniune.
so you can expect a little bashing. It's understood on the Newbie board to take it easy on people because they may not know how to phrase their questions, and I'm actually positive that SOTF would have been gentler on you over there because she usually is when she posts there. Obviously she saw an implied insult in the question and was responding to that.
When in doubt, look at the top of the board for the title. The Newbie board link is right under the one for this board.
Thanks Dixie Chicken. You are right, I am not on the Newbie board. I thought I was, but having more than one open window on my computer is how I got confused. I just saw the topic and it interested me, so I posted to it thinking I was on the newbie board. My bad! Like I said, I am a virgin when it comes to this so, I am going to make some mistakes. I would rather make the mistakes here than in my choice of my first provider. Also, I did not realize that my handle would offend anyone, it was not my intention. I am not a pervert! I am a 50 y/o married man. Older men sometimes refer to younger women as girls. Maybe we should be more selective with our words. I consider 35 or less as young. After reading sweetnicole1 post though, maybe I should consider someone older than I was first thinking. I just thought a younger lady would make me feel younger. At my age now, I am certainly not a sexual dynamo. I can still perform, but sometimes need a little help from that miracle blue pill. I am not ashamed of that. Thank goodness it is available, and I certainly don't require it all the time. I believe a younger woman who is physically beautiful could easily stimulate me. Maybe I should reconsider this whole idea. Right now, I have some doubts in my mind. I certainly don't need to choose a provider who is going to be too sensitive in my choice of words. I don't have a filthy mouth, I never have. I realize some women like that, but I was raised as too much of a gentleman to speak this way. Please make some suggestions to me of someone who might be able to guide me through this whole experience. I am in the Atlanta area, and I have been reading some on that regional board, but the general board and newbie board seem to be more specific on topics that I have been curious about. Thanks to all for your gentle kindness. To: SinsOFtheFlesh, I did not mean to offend you.
there was nothing "newbie" about this post. This was a very veteran way to clear things up and refocus your points. It's commendable, and a testament to your future contribution to this forum.
IMHO, you may want to change your handle before you tie any reviews to it. Not because it's offensive, but because you are probably going to run into difficulty with some MILFS you might become interested in down the road, particularly if you use your handle during screening. A lot of MILFS will be in the 30-35 range that you consider Girls, but will very likely take exception to the characterization. Just my 2 cents on that.
Being 50ish is in a catagory all itself. I prefer my Gentlemen in this age range and some of the most Passionate providers out there may also agree with me. You are looking to find a Sensual Experience, I believe you truely may want to rethink the whole age issue. I am sure if you were to post this question of sorts, on the Atlanta area board it may give you a feel for who falls into what you are looking for. Good luck, and Enjoy the Hobby.
Apology accepted. I freely admit that I can display a razor tongue on ocassion, and I'm sorry to say that your name started me off on the wrong foot before I even read your first post. I couldn't even explain why, but "girls" just bugs me, even more than the dreaded "C" word. But that is just me, one of my quirks.
In general though, I am a pretty nice lady, and usually more of a get along gal.
Regarding the questions you had that started this thread, what I reacted to was a subtle stereotype that escorts care more about the money and seeing as many clients as possible. That may not have been how you intended to convey your question, but that was how I interpreted it, and what I reacted to. If I was wrong and judged you harshly, then I apologize.
If you want suggestions for a specific lady in your area, the best place will be on your regional board. To the left you will see a drop down menu with "REGIONAL BOARD" above. Click on it and select Atlanta.
But some general advice based on what you wrote, is to look at a lady's website. Many women invest alot of time in writing the text on their website. If a lady hasn't taken the time to tell you about herself, chances are you won't make the sort of connection you have in mind. If what you read on her website intrigues you though, and she has consistently good reviews - at least half a dozen or more, some of which are written by hobbyists who have a lengthy review history - chances are you will find what you are looking for.
Age really doesn't matter. There is a myth that younger women tend to be more business like, and older women tend to be more sensual. I once searched all of TER's reviews based on age, and performance just to see if it was true. I found that overall, women under 30 averaged roughly the same percentage of positive reviews as women over 30. (I am a numbers geek). So look at a lady's website and look at her reviews. Those will be your best source for getting an idea of the woman behind the ad before you meet her.
excellent reply yet again, you may also want to see who has reviewed her and does client x see most woman in a certain age group, that may be why she at 25 has good reviews, her client base is about 35ish or so. a lady in her 40s may see clients mostly in their 40s and up so they find her to their tastes. Its tricky and can be complicated I am sure...trial and error ect...
All I am saying is that this isn't ROCKET SCIENCE.
This is a review site, emphasis on REVIEW. If you are looking at a woman who has consitently good reviews, its a pretty safe bet that she obviously doesn't see more clients than she can handle. That sort of thing shows up pretty easily after a few reviews.
What I'm reacting to is the implication that you think we are all automatons that stack clients up like cordwood, calling out "NEXT" after we finish with each one. If that is what you think of providers, I'm not sure this is a good hobby for you.
And then of course there is the name. Like I said, there are no GIRLS here. I haven't been a girl since I started bleeding at the ripe old age of 12. We are WOMEN not girls.
...i quite enjoy it. my Husband always refers to me as his "little girl"...sure sounds a heck of a lot better than "my old lady", does it not? lol
heck, one of my clients is about 25 yrs my senior, and always calls me "kid." it felt kinda weird at first, seeing as how he just scrumped me and all...but it's grown on me and now i think it's cute.
so fellas don't fret, some of us are "girls" and proud of it.
The reason I asked the initial question is because I am so new to the hobby that I want to make sure that very appointment works out well. On several occasions, I've had sessions where it seemed like time stood still and that first cup lasted forever. By the time it was over, I really wasn't interested in a second run because the first was so good.
But then there have been times where the action starts so hot that the first seems to come in five minutes and now I am all worked up and ready for more. The possibility of a second makes things more enjoyable because I can just let things go and not worrying about slowing down or changing speeds just to avoid the first cup happening.
Since finding the hobby, I have experienced 10 different providers, of which I have enjoyed the experience 8 times, one was a rip-off (before I found TER) and the 10th was fair. I have yet to see a provider more than once, though of the 10, there are two who I wouldn't hesitate to see (one raised her fee significantly and the second has disappeared). I'm still enjoying "sampling the buffet" so to speak though I am running out of providers in my area who interest me and offer everything that I am looking for. I can see myself finding 2-3 favorites in the next year and avoid "shopping" in the future.
Now it is Not always but if you are looking for an Intimately Passionate Tryst, you may need to head in the over 30 catagory or even older. Nothing against the younger ladies, but it's been my experience with people in General, age and experience brings alot with it including some time tells of Passion. I was always a very Passionate person but most definately am I even more so the older I get. I won't see anyone under 35, and prefer my Gentlemen in their 40s and 50s. They are more Passionate and we both seem to have a better time all the way around. There are some woman out there younger but more woman in their late 30s and so on are known for their passionate ways. Then again thats just my honest opinion.
Nicole, I am in awe of the guys who can have multiple pops. I'm 69, and one is more than enough, and more is a physical rarity. Among my selection criteria are multiple "O"s for my lady. For this it's imperative I keep good wood for the session so she can indulge her passion. Works for me.
and were we to ever meet, I think you need not worry that I would think of you as a "girl". That is unless, as I suspect might happen that you would make me feel so young again that I lost control of myself.
Not All Ladies See so many Gentlemen. I see far less than that. I prefer, Quality not Quantity. I would lose my mind if I saw That many Gents. It's not all about the $$ for me. I need to Enjoy my time with you as well. Any more than a few hrs a day a few days a week and I will go nuts. It turns this Very Passionate Intimate Sensual Tryst, which I am looking forward to as well...into WORK!!! It wouldn't work for me. This is why you do research. Use this site all the reviews, read the boards, check out who you are interested in for the reasons you are interested. One Lady may be great for a Gent who Wants a nice relaxing sensual hr filled with their romantic fantasy what ever that may be. Another Lady may tie you up and ride you hard...its all about what you want and who is suitable to your tastes. We are all different, we are all in so many ways Unique.
this. Thanks sweetnicole1. For my first experience with a provider, that is the type of person I think I am looking for. Someone who doesn't provide just for the $$. I understand it is a business, but it has to be enjoyable, too, for both parties involved. I want it to be a special and memorable experience. Especially the first time. Whether I continue in the hobby or not, I want to come away from the experience with a positive attitude. This hobby is too expensive and too risky to wish for anything less.
I recommend that you schedule for 2 hours. That gives you enough time recover since you are not the most "virile of Hobbyists ". It also gives you time to take a shower before and after and between pops.
There is Sex and there is Sensuality and an Intimate Experience, they intertwine but not always. There is the 2 pop knock down drag out WOW session that the goal is to get all you can in your tick tick ticking away timer of an hour...not to say thats bad, cause I have had some pretty wild ones and loved every minute of it. And then there is the whole shabang ( not sure I spelled that right) Where you are not too concerned about "pops" more about the experience. Both have their place, and at times both are great and overwhelming. When they come together, and create an experience that both You and your Gentleman enjoyed Completely...the number of "pops" will be the least of either of your concerns.
Although for me personally, if I want two rounds I’ll generally schedule two hours, especially if it’s my first time with her. There are some regulars of mine that I can sometimes do my part for two rounds in an hour and some that I can’t. It’s all about chemistry, rhythm, techniques, etc.
I’ve been with several “well reviewed” providers that either 1) strictly allowed just one round in a 1 hour session or 2) used their ability to control the situation to try to limit things to one round. You may or may not be able to discover these facts through research.
Like I said, one round per hour fits my rhythm fine, but providers that are this “controlling” can often lack the ability to create good chemistry to begin with. So I almost never repeat.
I agree with lilli about payment is primarily for time, but every lady has her own performance limitations. For example, I’ve never asked for a one hour continuous BJ, but I can imagine many ladies that I know that would want to take a couple of breaks along the way . I’m not a Viagra laden stud, so it’s neither my style nor preference to be one of those “I pounded her for an hour” types. I don’t hold any limitations against any provider. So there are two areas of concern, 1) Guys asking for or attempting things that are clearly outside her performance limitations and 2) Inconsistency on her part. She might change her limitations based on a whole variety of situations. Some are outside her control (like a guy’s hygiene or over use of performance enhancers) but others are her concern (like fatigue, attitude, scheduling, etc.). Someone with a history of negative factors will eventually expose themselves in their reviews. But the factors leading to a good time or bad (or missed expectations) rests on both sides of the pillow so to speak.
I agree with you ladies. It isn't about the time but the experience. It is different for everyone. First time appts are sometimes the most awkward, so they are less predictable than reg repeat Gents. Some always want a 2nd cup...others never do. I just hope that at the end of Our time together, what ever it is you wanted to get out of this, you did. It should be in my opinion, an experience like no other and one you will want to repeat. I would hope it lingers with you and leaves you Sensually Inspired. So that being said...One pop Two pops 5 pops all good and all in your time as we set to spend together.
"I just hope that at the end of Our time together, what ever it is you wanted to get out of this, you did. It should be in my opinion, an experience like no other and one you will want to repeat. I would hope it lingers with you and leaves you Sensually Inspired. So that being said...One pop Two pops 5 pops all good and all in your time as we set to spend together."
...couldn't agree more with the above. that's what it's really all about (or should be imo)...the client's pleasure and sense of satisfaction while he is with you and later when he reflects on the experience. too bad more providers don't seem to feel the same way.
Anyone who knows me, will tell you I do not consider myself a provider but more of a Muse. To inspire Sensuality and Passion. What you as my Gentleman do with it is up to you.
choose wisely as I try to, I see only the Gentlemen who captivate my interests. I was in the restaurant business for about 28yrs...I was a bartender and know people I believe. I can usually tell by the first conversation if he is one who peeks my interest. I also know by the first 10 words usually when he doesn't. I prefer to have few but memorable times spent with fascinating Gentlemen who I find attractive intellectually as well as Passionately.
I like the way you think, plus you're pretty articulate to boot(always a plus in my book)..haven't been to Boston in a long time, hmmm....food for thought (fax loves female lobsters!)
"I just hope that at the end of Our time together, what ever it is you wanted to get out of this, you did." Sweetheart, you succeed at that and more. I'll say further Nicole that uniqueness is wonderful, but your personal uniqueness is sublime.
OMG...You DC are so so sweet, ( you are in the ATF catagory) Time with you was wonderful, a true Gentleman in every way... You are making me blush...xoxox
good point Ed...it is a 2way street, and if you do not make it known that you are interested in more, either verbally or otherwise, you shouldnt so much expect.
very few...i too try to find the Gentlemen who fit my personal preferences I have had a few I'd prefer Not to see again but most are welcome back if the time was well recieved.
maybe she was just worn out. some escorts can go forever - but usually don't really feel too much. Others can only see one guy a day but really get into it.
is established by the first reviewer and may not be accurate re. "Multiple pops". If you read the juicy details in the reviews, 2nd cups offered will be obvious. Got to do your research in order to maximize your experience.
people in this thread and their points of view. Very interesting. Thanks to everyone who contributed it was a really good read. Topics like this are so inviting as to ones view of this hobby and what you look for. xoxox Nicole
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